BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier

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  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    But to be fair, short of the M3, there's no 3 series that says 'don't mess with me' to me, either. But the only reason I think that way about the M3 (and S4) is because I know what they can do.

    When I think of cars not to mess with, I think of 911's, C5 Corvettes (looks and build quality are another story, though), Ferraris, etc.

    I think the beauty of the 330i, M3, S4 is that they look normal, but have great performance.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    What's it been? 3000 posts or more since we've heard from you, how have you been?

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • tcn2ktcn2k Member Posts: 277
    got my 325i this monday. The car is fantastic. Hard to keep it in break-in rpm and miles. Find myself almost breaking it. Only had 50 miles and i have to leave town. Can't wait to get back and drive it. what a car!!!!
  • peter80peter80 Member Posts: 11
    I've read all the post and I think I got it: BMW's are from Mars; Audi's are from Venus.
  • peter80peter80 Member Posts: 11
    Which should it be, you decide...

    A He Or She?

    An English teacher was explaining to his students the concept of gender association in the English language. He noted how hurricanes at one time were given only female names, and how ships and planes were usually referred to as "she". One of the students raised her hand and asked
    "What gender is a computer?"

    The teacher wasn't certain. So he divided the class into two groups: males in one, females in the other, and asked them to decide if a computer should be masculine or feminine. Both groups were asked to give four reasons for their recommendations.

    The group of women concluded that computers should be referred to as a masculine because:
    1. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on.
    2. They have a lot of data but are still clueless.
    3. They are supposed to help you solve your problems, but half the time, they ARE the problem.
    4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that, if you had waited a little longer, you could have had a better model.

    The men, on the other hand, decided that computers should definitely be referred to as feminine because:
    1. No one but their creator understands their
    internal logic.
    2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is incomprehensible to everyone else.
    3. Even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval.
    4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending half your paycheck on accessories for it.
  • macdude44macdude44 Member Posts: 30
    Do you mind telling me how the sedans are more masculine then the coupes? Four doors implies P-whipped family man whist two doors implies independent, burly guy.
    Surely you mistakenly put these models out of order!
  • bavarianbavarian Member Posts: 63
    Back in the late 70s or early 80s I lived in London and shared a "pad" with some fellows. Money was tight so we didn't go out much. How tight was the money? Well it was so tight we used to share cigarettes-hand made ones as I dimly recall, without filters, and they were passed around (eagerly) to the strains of Miles Davis blowing his own horn. British tv was a fine thing then-particularly the BBC- and often we would watch auto rallys, where fast cars scamper over muddy hill and dale, often at night, skidding on gravel, splashing through puddles, watched by people protected from the hurtling metal by a stretched rope. This is where I first became aware of the Audi Quattro which seemed to finish first frequently.
    One phrase I recall from a reclining buddy, casually blowing pungent smoke rings was "BMWs are for Sissys-they are a girl's car-real men drive Audis and Opels!"
    I put that ridiculous remark down to (a) the fact that the gentleman's dad drove an Opel and (b) the fine "tobacco" grown by the Bushmen of Zimbabwe.
    I did not enter an argument- I knew better, even then.
    I am not a champion for the "women's cause" if there is such a thing (and I think NOT)- I think women can think for themselves. There is no reason why a woman shouldn't consider performance as a priority when shopping for a car and no physical reason why a woman couldn't drive as fast as a man (if speed on the road were the sole reason for driving).
    I see many women driving BMWs in Chicago-it's a pretty safe bet that half of all car drivers are women
    and that they make buying decisions based on the same criteria as we manly men. They want a good car to drive. Savvy manufacturers take this into account.
    "BMWs are for sissys"-that irrational remark came back to me when I got my 325i. "I don't care!" was my inward response-"This is the car I want to drive!"
    I see the matter of "feminine cars" has reared it's head-all so subjective-like the "colors" debate. If I had a spare Rat's [non-permissible content removed] at the minute, I couldn't give one. I choose the "femenine" Fern Green and Sand Leather with some frilly Myrtle Wood trim-Frank gives me the finger on a daily basis-but my car looks purdy sweet to me-handwashed twice a week, clean carpets-just the thing to pull up to the opera in, dressed to kill.
    Also just the thing to go scampering over hill and dale in Michigan on the weekends.
    I see a heated debate between Brave1heart and Mike McBride-in fact, Brave has asked me to be his second in a dawn duel next Monday. I don't do mornings very well unless there is some Starbucks High Octane and a Krispy Creme on offer.
    It's a storm in a teacup I hope-as markinAtlanta says- BMW owners ( I paraphrase) should have some class. I read of the olde days when 2002 owners used to flash their headlamps in recognition. Those days are long gone-all I get is the finger.
    The fact that we have BMWs to drive surely says we are all smart MEN and WOMEN.
    Can't we all (sniff!) get along?....
  • trejos28trejos28 Member Posts: 93
    I've seen posts about the factory sound system, some critical. Is it that bad?

    And while you're at it...what's your fave cruising music?
  • platypusplatypus Member Posts: 192
    Bravo! Bravo!

    Keep 'em comin!
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    My 328i is set up with Green Paint (Oxford Green), Sand Leather and Myrtle Wood Trim as well. It seems that you and I think along the same lines. My car looks like it has "British Racing Green", but I suppose it would be silly for a German marque the paint a car BRG. However it seems to me that Mazda did a BRG Special Edition Miata a few years back.

    OK Gang, it is starting to look like we may have to move the "Friday Group Hug" to Thursday this week. Peace.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    The "TO ME" pseudo-disclaimer in my last post was meant to prevent me from having to defend my opinions, but here goes...I also said that my rankings were based solely on aesthetics, not what the configuration may imply about the gender of the driver (in which case I'd have to agree with you).

    Perhaps Elaine summed it up best: "A man's body is utilitarian, like a Jeep. It's for gettin' around. Simeon." On the other hand, "A woman's body is a work of art." I liken these analogies to the coupe and sedan. The coupe's long, smooth lines are more a work of art; the sedan's lines are, relative to the coupe, more utilitarian.

    I guess it's also ironic that although most of us find the 3-series decidedly masculine, most of us have also chosen feminine names for our cars (myself included). :)
  • tchootchoo Member Posts: 93
    Hmmm... since the dealer referred to my car as a "stripper" (325Ci, Step, moonroof) maybe I should name her Bambi???
  • parumpparump Member Posts: 65
    Your comments about the Bosch replacement of the Siemens auxillary fan are most welcome! Thank you for the update.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I am toying with the idea of keeping the 328i as my daily driver and buying myself a "Weekend" ride. The particular model that I have in mind (if I can find a reasonably clean example that is) has the following specs:

    - Two doors & four seats (gotta take the wife and kiddies along you know)
    - Built in the good old U.S.A. between 1955 and 1956
    - 300 cubic inch Boxer 6 with a 1 barrel updraft carb
    - About 145 HP (still enough for a top end over 120mph)

    What is it?

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • domatldomatl Member Posts: 2
    anyone know the lease payments for a 36 month lease on the 325Ci coupe and the 330Ci coupe?
  • deepdarkbluedeepdarkblue Member Posts: 33
    Man, I'm gone for a few hours and all hell breaks loose. A simple "the A4 is more feminine" and I've got people flinging hot tar at each other. Let me respond before I'm burned in effigy (not that you have slightest clue as to what I look like).

    First, I do think the A4 is a great car. I said so. I thought about buying it--really the only contender w/ the 3 IMHO. Great lines, sporty, refined. But not quite as aggressive looking as the 3. Let me revise my statement and say that the A4 is "less masculine" in appearance than the 3. Let me further say that THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION. When it comes down to it, you drive what you wanna drive. Just as long as it's not a Pontiac Aztec.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
  • bavarianbavarian Member Posts: 63
    I actually recall that phrase -BRG- when I first spotted the Fern/Sand combo at a dealership in Kalamazoo, Michigan. For some reason the green spoke to me. My previous car had been silver and the one before that and before that it was black and I am not the kind of person to favor the same car color ad infinitum. I have no trouble picking my car out in a garage loaded with Bimmers-unless I am wasted on cheap grog-which explains why sometimes my key doesn't work. The next one might be Topaz or Steel Blue or Red or White- I have no idea-color is so subjective. The fact is when I am driving all I see is a black dash and the sand.
    I recall green being a favored racing color in Britain. There is still an auto race track behind the house where I was born in Ireland- I have many memories of that-but it is mostly overgrown with weeds today (sob!)
    Colors are immaterial-as long as your foot is connected to a BMW inline 6,BMW anchors, riding on a BMW suspension, carrying a tank of Premium unleaded-life is sweet.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    Old habits die hard. I typically wait till the last gallon before I fill in gas, especially if I am in areas with
    readily available gas stations. I have run out of gas a couple of times over the years - typically when I miscalculated the remaining fuel in the car. BMW recommends that you fill up way before the gas tank is depleted but I know I'll be cutting it in close and I needed to find out how much reserve there was (if any) relative to the trip computer's calculations. I was really curious to find out if the engine would gasp for fuel as soon as my trip computer's remaining fuel rings zero. That would be typically Germanic as far as punctuality and after all, I was thinking, we are dealing with the Ultimate engineers here. I could see them going "Ha-ha, out of fuel, my poor friend? The computer told you many kilometers ago to fill up and we even put on the bright yellow light there to remind you. You deserve to die here from freezing cold for abusing this beautiful piece of machinery so recklessly!!". The suspense was really building up as the estimate showed 1 (ONE!!) stinking mile remaining. I was at a light and the green seemed to be taking forever to come up. So I finally went through the light, pulled over at the gas station and breathed a deep sigh of relief. The tank swallowed 16 gallons exactly out of the official 16.6 gal capacity. I thought there must be more air left in the tank and topped off once. It went down too. Then I topped off a second time (another bad habit that refuses to die) and the gas came pouring out from the tank making a big mess in the process. When all was said and done, I had attempted to fill in 16.1 gal of which the last 1/10 didn't make it in. Evidently, the marketing people had managed to squeeze a gram of mercy from the BMW engineers and they gave drivers fuel for another 10-15 miles after the trip computer shows zero. To which I respectfully say "Thank you, Engineering Gods I shall never again be stupid enough to wait till the computer shows zero and I shall never again top off gas in a BMW."
  • bmw323isbmw323is Member Posts: 410
    Burrsr, yes BMW driving schools are only for club members. Becoming a club member brings great benefits for $35 a year. There are the driving schools, auto crosses, regular road drives (nothing cooler than a string of 40 BMW's on a road trip), ralleye's, concours and on and on. You also get a monthly national magazine (Roundel), a monthly newsletter and discounts on BMW parts and goodies. Lastly, it's a great way to meet new friends (of course, we don't wave to each other). And no, I don't get commission for selling memeberships.

    Sorry it took me a while to get back to you. I had to run out to an Audi dealer (trying to get in touch with my feminine side, but it didn't work)! [:))
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    down almost 15, up 12, overtime, down 4, won by what - 6? And it's only game one!! Alp, I think I'm moving down to Phily - the Celtics are not coming back any time soon anyhow. I remember last time I watched them against Indiana last year, the crowd was cheering for Larry Bird (Indiana coach) more than anything else :o) Great game!!
  • normb1canormb1ca Member Posts: 2
    I was ALL SET to get a Lexus I300, started researching alternatives, and for fun drove the MB C class, good value, not fun to drive. Tonight I drove a BMW 3 series for the first time, and it is a serious contender. There is no good factory leasing on the 325, whereas the Lexus offers 6.9%. The BMW salesman said there WAS good factory leasing on the 330, but can't justify the extra $5K plus. Should I just stick with the Lexus (215HP vs. 185HP) or is the 3 series a superior car in all ways to the I300? My financial goal: $2000-2500 +/- down, payments reasonably close to $400 probably plus tax, I live in So Cal.
  • skobolaskobola Member Posts: 207
    Well, we were taken by the BMW technician back to pick our car, and the car died with 6 miles showing on the display... So, I guess that brave's game could be risky sometimes. They sent another BMW to pick us up, and the one that stranded us was picked up by towing service. So, I guess that it is better to fill it up and not stretch it to the very end. By the way, I become nervous when the yellow lamp goes on, which is, as you may know at about 50 miles remaining. However, once I drove it to 6, and almost died because of the above described experience! The remaining mileage also changed unexpectedly, turning numbers towards zero rapidly on uphills and such... As I said, that's a risky game, and certainly I will not be playing it!
  • normb1canormb1ca Member Posts: 2
    I was ALL SET to get a Lexus I300, started researching alternatives, and for fun drove the MB C class, good value, not fun to drive. Tonight I drove a BMW 3 series for the first time, and it is a serious contender. There is no good factory leasing on the 325, whereas the Lexus offers 6.9%. The BMW salesman said there WAS good factory leasing on the 330, but can't justify the extra $5K plus. Should I just stick with the Lexus (215HP vs. 185HP) or is the 3 series a superior car in all ways to the I300? My financial goal: $2000-2500 +/- down, payments reasonably close to $400 probably plus tax, I live in So Cal.
  • alpine325ialpine325i Member Posts: 209
    are still looking for the car that smacked into me, then took off earlier tonight! I stopped at an intersection (stop sign) 4 blocks from my house to change a CD. 5 seconds after I stopped, I heard brakes squealing behind me, then WHAM! I get thrown into the windshield. I got a bruise on my head and the car got whacked pretty hard. Ok, So my car gets pushed into the middle of the intersection from the impact. I slowly get out of the car. A black guy with a bandanna and gold teeth behind the wheel looks at me, smiles, then speeds off. The car was a 91 Thunderbird all blacked out including the license plate. He had a couple of friends with him and his stereo was up real loud the whole time, before and after the hit and run, and when he drove off you could smell alcohol from a mile away! I immediately report this to the police, half an hour later they pick me up to look at a car that fits the description, it wasn't the car, 1 hour later, they pick me up again, again not the car, but both drivers in both of those cars were DUI, and got arrested. My cars rear bumper was pushed in about 2 inches on the passenger side and my rear quarter panel is bent and sticking out. I don't know how bad it is as far as frame damage or whats damaged underneath but it looks horrible compared to the drivers side. I'm ok and my insurance should pay for my hit and run since I'm fully covered by Allstate, they have helped me out alot in the past. I hope the cops find the guy, I'm mad as Hell! This sucks!:o(
  • alpine325ialpine325i Member Posts: 209
    I chose the BMW 325i over the IS300. I thought the BMW felt more connected to me and the road. I found the gauges easy to read and the interior had more class. I instantly felt like one with the car, real smooth, and it felt like it knew what I was going to do before I did it. I also couldn't believe how these BMW's hold their value! Check out the used car classifieds, you'll see what I mean. The IS300 seemed "trendy" and the ride felt a little harsh, and who knows how much the IS300 will be worth, or how long that trend will last. When I think of BMW, I think of precise German engineering, racing heritage, and Car and Drivers ten best award ten years in a row. When I think of Lexus, I think of a glorified Toyota, Japanese people that imitate anything original, and no awards in any categories. Just my .02
  • frank69mfrank69m Member Posts: 63
    Hey Man, sorry to hear that...Hope they catch the drunken [non-permissible content removed]. You mean you didn't get his plates or anything...a police report?
  • alpine325ialpine325i Member Posts: 209
    I never fill my tank past the halfway mark. I think my car feels too heavy with a full tank. On the other hand, if you drive around with almost an empty tank with the yellow light on, the fuel pump will have a hard time sucking up good clean fuel, instead it will be sucking up the nasty sediments and whatever is left at the bottom of the tank, and could clog up the fuel filter prematurely.
  • sunshine60105sunshine60105 Member Posts: 129
    Could anyone tell me anything about the BMW 325i,or is it too new to know anything about the history of repair e.t.c.? Is it a reliable car?
    Anything you can tell me ,and as much as you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.
  • uge123uge123 Member Posts: 100
    I'm sorry man. That really sucks. It's such a shame that people who can commit such a crime exist. I remember my old car got torn up by some Pickup/SUV while parked overnight. I came out in the morning to find its front bumper nearly off, the hood wrinkled, and the left front fender bashed in. You could see the trail left by the idiots bumper as he tried to cut too close to my car. Never caught the guy (geeeee, big surprise in Chicago). Fortunately the body shop restored it to better than new (no dings). Best of luck.
  • jasonkureejiijasonkureejii Member Posts: 210
    I'm also sorry to hear that, man. No. 1, I hope they catch those punks! No. 2, I hope the body shop gives you a perfect job on the damage....in fact, I'd make sure every detail is covered, panel alignment, paint matching, etc. How long have you had your 325?
  • aaron330iaaron330i Member Posts: 136
    I was on my way to work this morning and saw a tricked out Civic with clears, dark tinted windows, and a huge spoiler.


    Curious as to the what the driver looked like (expecting to see a kid), I pulled in front of the car and lo and behold, a young, white, girl. My first RiceGirl sighting!


    Then I noticed the licenseplace: "Muffy"


    Had to chuckle at that one.


    http://www.riceboypage.com/

  • veekay1veekay1 Member Posts: 180
    hey man..very sorry to hear that! hope they catch those punks and take them to task! also, hope that you get a hassle free job done to perfection on ur car.
    good luck!
    veekay1
  • veekay1veekay1 Member Posts: 180
    get the 325......there is a world of difference, starting from the aesthetics and all the way to performance! BMW is a driver's car, the IS 300 is a desperate wannabe!
    veekay1
  • veekay1veekay1 Member Posts: 180
    Hey..I would start by checking out the FAQs on the e46 board (www.bimmer.org) and then try and go thru the (almost) 5000 posts on this board!!
    That should answer most of ur questions.
    Briefly, I would summarize the BMW story as follows (based on my own research over the last 4 months):
    A masterpiece of design and engineering
    Best road handling and braking in class
    Excellent interior with most luxury amenities known to man (either standard or available)
    Adequate power and performance
    Above average overall reliability
    All wheel drive capability
    Outstanding driveway appeal(!)

    and much, much more in terms of intangibles......(including a great owner community such as this board right here!)

    veekay1(325xi/sapphire/gray...crossing the pond as we speak!)
  • denrightdenright Member Posts: 285
    When you have your car fixed, tell your repair shop and your insurance agent that you INSIST that any and all parts used in the repair be BMW parts, not imitation or aftermarket parts.

    Yours is a beautiful new car and I would hate to have it marred with crappy Taiwan Tin. Tell them genuine BMW parts ONLY!
  • platypusplatypus Member Posts: 192
    Sorry to hear of your accident and hopefully you didn't sustain any serious bodily injuries. I wish you the best in your recovery and getting the car repaired to your satisfaction.
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    Sorry about your misfortune...

    I know it sucks seeing your car like that, but in the grand scheme of things the most important thing is that you didn't get hurt. Good luck!
  • ajvdhajvdh Member Posts: 223
    It's not a good habit to run the tank all the way down. The fuel pumps (yes, there're more than one) are cooled by immersion in fuel, so running 'em dry can shorten their lives. Also, if you're driving, shall we say, enthsiastically the engine may cut out due to all the fuel sloshing away from the pickup. Committing to an apex and then having the rear wheels stop turning for a moment can be the definition of "interesting times."
  • vikingferdvikingferd Member Posts: 2
    Hi All,

    I'm new here. I bought a brand new 325i 4dr sedan in late March. It's got a 5-speed manual tranny. I had to order direct from the factory with the options I wanted. Dealership told me that 95% of all BMW coming into CA have AUTO trannys. I absolutely love it. The combination of power and luxury is outstanding.

    Now that the euphoria is sort of wearing off. I want to know if I got a "good" deal. I paid $1500 over dealer invoice (not MSRP). Got it with the Premium Package, Leather, Fold-down rear seats, Fog lights, and the single CD player. I also got a 10% discount on BMW accessories (Seat vests, Mud flaps F/R, Locking wheel lugs, Vinyl trunk mat). What's the consensus?

    The second question is about brake dust. How do I keep the stuff off the wheels for a longer period of time? Do those "KLEEN WHEELS" work? Is there a polish that prohibits the particles from clinging to the wheels?

    Your helpful responses are greatly appreciated.
  • vikingferdvikingferd Member Posts: 2
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    I'm sorry to hear about all this, man... What a shame.. Well, the most important thing is that you are OK - did you have a checkup? I know it may not hurt immediately but it may be a good idea to go see a doctor just in case. I was also wondering if you feel soar today, especially your neck. The one time was rear-ended in a similar situation (waiting in traffic on the highway), I was OK at first but my neck (and my wife's) were soar for about a week. As far as the Bimmer, I hope there is no frame damage. My Jetta did not have any frame damage when I was rear-ended but ever since then it's been squeaking, especially the side that sustained most of the damage. Yes, genuine parts only and examine the car very carefully when you are picking it up from the shop. Listen carefully for odd noises during the test-drive. Also, remember that if you find problems later, the claim can be re-opened for future compensation, as long as you can prove that the problem is related to the accident. Good luck.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    That's interesting to know. I realize how lucky I got last night. I also noticed that the miles remaining on the estimate were dropping much too fast in the last 10 miles or so and that's with driving on flat roads too. I'm glad there were no major hills on my way to the gas station. Too risky; I hope I'll never wait that far before I refuel again and I certainly would not recommend it to anyone. And remember - no top-offs either - the car is designed to take a max. amount of gas already.
  • denrightdenright Member Posts: 285
    $1500 over invoice is good -- same deal as I got on my 330xi. I also got them to toss in floor mats and wheel locks.

    Sounds like you got a great car at a great price.
  • alpine325ialpine325i Member Posts: 209
    For your concern. I feel ok, no soreness except the bruise on my head. Yes, I will insist on genuine BMW parts. I'm lucky to have a great body shop that's close to me, I've had a couple of cars fixed there and they came out perfect. I'm going to pick up the finished police report now, then visit my insurance company. Talk to you guys later.
  • qpham11qpham11 Member Posts: 3
    Just wanted to say that I'm waiting for my sales guy to pick me up so I can take delivery of my new 330i. The day has finally come!!!
  • langley2langley2 Member Posts: 24
    Don't really have an opinion on A4s being more "feminine" than 3'ers, but I do know that the Audi is definitely less roomy than the BMW. I had actually thought about buying the A4 first. Then I sat in one. I'm not exceptionally tall (6'0"), but the interior felt very cramped to me. I couldn't get comfortable. Sat in a 325 at the same dealership ... what a difference. My decision to go with the BMW was pretty much made at that point. Subsequently, I read that Consumer Reports pulled their "Recomended" rating from the Audi this year due to reliability problems. Even if the Audi were roomier, that alone would have caused me to pass on it.
  • trejos28trejos28 Member Posts: 93
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    Alp - sorry to hear about your situation. At least you were not hurt and all will be restored and back to normal shortly, I'm sure. C&D's long-term test of the 328i also documented an accident (hitting a log at high speed on a highway, I believe), and they felt that the solid structure of the 3er proved to be a great foundation when the restoration was done. Like new, no rattles, squeaks, etc. Good luck; I'm sure your previous work's expertise will prove valuable through the process as well.

    Bmw323is - thanks for the CCA info. I will likely join. Another great perk is the fact that membership entitles you to rebates on the next purchase -- $500 to 1,500, depending on model line ($500 for 3er), rebate from your negotiated price. I think you must have been a member for at least a year prior to purchase date.
  • trejos28trejos28 Member Posts: 93
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