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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • lievliev Posts: 93
    the '00 and later models of Corolla has ABS and side airbags as optional devices.
  • Another factor in your question as to reliability of Lexus vs. non-luxury cars is simply that on a forum like this, you're going to hear more about problems than about good things, because many of the forum participants are looking for answers to problems or questions. I'm sure that you would find the same thing if you went to a Toyota forum and read the posts about Tercels and Corollas. I personally know about 5 people that have Lexuses of various years and I am not aware that any of them have ever had any problems, including me, which is the same thing you're saying about you and your brother's experience with Toyotas.

    Similarly, if you went to a hospital patient website, you'd think everyone is always sick with some horrible ailment or disease, because that's all they discuss. Obviously not true for everyone, just the participants in that forum, but that's undoubtedly just a tiny fraction of the whole universe. I think the same is true for Lexus and other luxury cars. Where you look is what you'll find.

  • As several people have pointed out, luxury cars can be a little more troublesome because of added complexity - luxury cars have more gadgets, options, control systems, etc. For example, the LS400 is statistically more troublesome (although still very good) than the ES300, but that doesn't mean it's not as well built. Also, when you look at Toyota motor products you're looking at cars that range from very good to excellent as far as reliability is concerned. The chances of buying a headache are not very great.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    wasn't owned by Ford, those of us in the auto industry recommended buying to drive, and one for parts to fix the one you drove.

    as an aside, I have been told by a Toyota dealer that they can and do work on Lexus, but cannot perform warranty repairs. Also, any parts on the Lexus that are not on regular Toyotas would not be in dealer stock...available, but not in stock. The only exception may be things like oil filters and simple stuff like that.

    Most likely, the Toyota dealer would not roll out the red carpet like the Lexus dealer...the Toyota dealer around here has a bunch of arrogant, snotty people working there, the stereotypical people dealerships are known for...Cliffy, Isell, Mack and Brentwood would be ashamed to work in this place.
  • lievliev Posts: 93
    I've heard they are very similar except ES300 belongs to luxury class and somewhat more refined. Depending on what kind of options you want, if you'll have to end up paying 30K for the Avalon (like my cousin did), I think you should go for a Lexus with similar options at 31-32K. Lexus's got its name and definitely more of a head turner than an Avalon not mentioning its resale value. The problem is that you're too far from the dealership. If you're unlucky to get one with all kindsa problem you won't be able to stop by the dealership as you need to and you'll regret.
  • Can anyone tell me what I can expect to pay to put in a rebuilt Lexus ES 300 Engine (including labor)? Also does anyone know where I could get this work done (i am located in Atlanta, GA).
  • jtc43jtc43 Posts: 15
    Re: your post #265. Don't know if you have bought anything yet, but you might try Lindsay Lexus of Alexandria. My wife and I bought a 98 ES300 (Lexus Executive Car) on 12/28/99. The car had 11K miles and we paid either $28.5 or $28.8 (don't have the papers with me). Our salesman was Bernie Whitaker (I believe). We were looking to buy a 2000 ES300, but saw the 98 and liked the price, mileage, color, etc. The people at Lindsay treated us very cordially without any arrogance. This was our first "luxury" car, even though we had previously leased a 95 and a 96 Maxima GXE (both were excellent cars - just wanted to step up). Don't think you can go wrong with the ES300.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    I'm told they are better than they were, but in the ranking of luxury cars and how trouble free they are, I'd say they are not anywhere near the top. ..... but my what beatuiful cars. IMHO they are about the best styling on the road. I guess that's where they spend all their money. ...hey, at least they aren't ground+ electrical systems anymore.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    I just dropped my ES in for it's first oil change. I wasn't lucky enough to get another Lexus as a loaner although the Carlsbad CA dealer does have a few. I got a Toyota Corolla. After the first 2 minutes driving home I was glad I had chosen the "luxury" car to own. A poster a while back made the comment he was so dissapointed in his ES that he wished he still had his old Corolla. Not me!
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    We got our '97 ES300 back from the dealer late last Friday. They found that the seal had been "pinched" (their words) and this was uncommon. While servicing the tranny, they also replaced all the transmission fluid, saving me a bundle. The transmission was fixed under the "Powertrain Warranty", which lasts for six years or 70,000 miles. Thank goodness!

    However, they charged me $117 to drain and refill the cooling system ($89 for one hour labor), which I felt was pretty expensive.

    The dealer I use is Kuni Lexus in Denver, which not only loaned us the new 2001 ES (with only 12 miles on it) this time, but loaned us an RX300 the last time our car had to be kept for an entire day. They seem to be a pretty good Lexus dealer.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    They've got to pay for those Lexus loaners somehow.
  • lievliev Posts: 93
    my dealership charges only $79/hr for labor. Maybe that's why you get a brand new LEXUS loaner :-) ....
  • lievliev Posts: 93
    someone said tire air pressure drops 1 PSI for every 10 degree drop in ambient temperature. But does the air expands itself back to the original pressure when the temperature goes back to the original temperature when you have your tire air pressure set? Let's say, if the temperature drops by 20 degrees overnight and then comes back up by 20 degrees the next day, does the tire air pressure also goes down overnight and back up the next morning?
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    Yes, it does. You need to remember that in the winter, ambient temperatures are MUCH lower than in the summer and if you commute to work, pavement temperatures are also much lower since you're driving in the dark (hot pavement will raise the tire pressure). Just make sure you have enough air in your tires now that winter is hard upon us and you'll be fine. If you start out with an insufficient amount, as the temperature falls you'll be VERY underinflated.

    You should check the air in your tires at least as often as you check the oil in your engine (from once a week to once a month, depending on how much you drive).

    BTW- it was nice to drive that 2001 ES for a day and a half. Aside from my '97 having a little more play in the shift mechanism, there was VERY little difference in the two vehicles (except for the hesitation in acceleration I mentioned previously). The 2001 also had HID headlights, and I was surprised to discover that the HIDs are ONLY for the low beams. The high beam bulbs are the same as my '97!
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    Remember form high school physics that the volume, pressure and temperature of a gas are all related. Also remember that your tires get hot from the friction of the road, and the gas will expand as the tires heat up. In a closed system like a tire, this means higher pressures.

    I'd be a little concerned that if I put the maximum psi in at -10F that I'd be way over pressurized once I had been on the road for 20 minutes and the tires were warm again.

    But, lucky for me I do not live in a cold climate, these kinds of questions make my brain hurt like an ice cream headache.
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    Totally agree!

    I hope liev doesn't check tire pressures at -10. I would check them at something close to normal for his area (daytime median). Here in Denver, I would validate my tire pressures on a "normal" winter day (about 35 degrees) and then not worry about it any more. A 5-6 pound fluctuation would not be something I'm losing sleep over, IMHO.

    Have some more ice cream!
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    When Kuni Lexus called me to follow up on my recent service (see above), I had the opportunity to get some interesting answers from them:

    1) Hourly labor charges are set at the regional level, to keep local dealers from under-cutting each other. There are 4-6 regions in the US, the Kuni rep didn't know for sure. Interesting....

    2) The hour charged me ($89) for the drain and refill of my cooling system was for ELAPSED time (time my car was in the service bay), rather than ACTUAL time (the mechanic spent working on it). If I had asked for additional work to be performed (concurrently), the cost for the drain/refill would have been less (like 15 minutes). A lesson for all of us here. For some strange reason, '97 ESs take longer to drain than other Lexi (HUH??).

    3) One "unit" of antifreeze ($17.34) equals TWO gallons, not one. Fuzzy math??? Maybe Al Gore can find a job as a Lexus service writer.
  • I noticed that when I invoke my left turn signal, the signal blinks very fast. I checked the owner's manual, and it said that the turn signal light is out. Is this something I can replace, or will I have to get ripped by the dealer? My car is still within the warranty period, but I'm not sure if this is considered a wear-and-tear item. Any ideas? TIA!!
  • turbotcturbotc Posts: 163
    If No live close to your dealer, just bring it in. it probably isn't covered but the dealer should swap it for you anyway. It may cost them a few bucks and but will earn your satisfaction and future business. If not, the buy a bulb from auto parts store and do it yourself. it is like caning a bulb at your house when it goes.
  • turbotcturbotc Posts: 163
    If you live close to your dealer, just bring it in. it probably isn't covered but the dealer should swap it for you anyway. It may cost them a few bucks and but will earn your satisfaction and future business. If not, then buy a bulb from auto parts store and do it yourself. it is like changing a bulb at your house when it goes.
  • My 96 ES 300 just rolled over 100K miles and I haven't had any problems whatsoever.

    I've kept up with regular maintenance, change fluids when scheduled, run Mobil 1 Synthetic and keep the speed at a reasonable level.

    I'm so impressed with my old Lexus that I passed on purchasing a new one in 2000. There is no reason to sell this one, except for maybe new car fever...that fades over time.

    "these cars are made to go 300K miles"---my Lexus Service Rep.

    I've found that this Forum is a great place to learn about Lexus and I count it as a valuable learning tool.

    Any more high mileage stories out there?

    Happy Holidays!
  • lievliev Posts: 93
    does ES300 has rust proof protection already? should I worry about washing the undercarriage after a snow? the (road is salted before the snow)
  • lievliev Posts: 93
    Hi L8_Apex,
    I don't like this new format. there's no placemark and the font in the message box is too small it strains my eyes. Can we go back to the previous format with the addition of the delete button that you have in here now?
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    So what's going on. Can't get here from the key word search function anymore and it seems to me some of Thur & Fridays posts are missing ....or is it just me?
  • lievliev Posts: 93
    it's not you or me (i thought it was me too), it's edmunds. I don't know why they think this is a better format. The other format was much easier to read and post and with placemarks too. With the new format, verytime after I post my message, the message box disappears. I click login again to try to get to the message box, it tells me I already logged in and put me back to the topic list, I have to click on Sedans and find my way to the last post again. that is annoying.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    I can no longer get to this forum (or any other) from the key word search function. When I try, it jut takes me to the large conference sup-topic listings where I have to scroll down until I find the conference (I had identified in key word search). Any idea when we'll get this funtion back? This "feature" is a drag.
  • wayn1wayn1 Posts: 69
    This stinks!!! Lets push for the old format!
  • ungung Posts: 1
    I just purchased an 2001 ES300. Nice car.
    Dealer's trying to sell me the interior and exterior protective coating product - pretty obnoxious process, actually.
    I'm trying to figure out the real value. It's for $460 and has a 5 yr warrantee.

    Should I or should I not?
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    The dealer is both right and wrong. You should protect your car with a good wax or polish and you should condition your leather and maybe even put a scotch-guard like protectant on the carpets, but what the dealer will do for you is a waste of your money and is a big profit center for the dealer. Actually, IMHO the dealer is doing people a disservice by implying that anything they do inside or out will really last for 5 years, or that periodic car care is not needed if you spend this money up front.
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