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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351
    What is your trade-in value of your TL-S?
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I'm sorry to see you don't like the look of the new Lexus models. You may like it, but the two-tone look is clearly out of style. Lexus used that to imitate Mercedes, which had the different color lower cladding on most of their models when Lexus came out in late 1989.

    Now, however, that look is simply out of date. Mercedes no longer uses that look and Lexus is clearly moving away from it as well. The monotone look is certainly not retro as most cars never had the lower cladding to begin with.

    Also, not all Lexus models had the two-tone look. The original SC300/400 and GS300 (except white) never did.

    My 1995 ES300 is black with a gray lower body. I liked it in 1995, but now it just makes my car look really dated.

    As we all know, looks are very subjective.
  • autos3autos3 Posts: 24
    Our TL-S is Pearl white/Black non-nav w/8k for mileage. The trade value was $28,000.00. We paid $30500.00 new. MSRP on the ES was $367??.00
    and we are paying $35,250.00, not a bad deal in our eyes.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I'd say you made a fantastic deal on the ES. Here in my area (Chicago) the dealers are not budging off of list.

    What did you like so much about the ES vs. the Acura?
  • gambhirgambhir Posts: 64
    I read something on mileage on a trip in california a new owner took--th mileage will improve--wait till your first service--after a few refills it will be improve

    Also my car has arrived from japan--expected to arrive here at dealership next Friday--so I can hardly wait--will let you all know when I get it
  • cecconceccon Posts: 22
    I have a 93 es 300 with 154,000 miles on it. The only non-routine maintenance on the car involved the air conditioning going out at 140,000 miles, whioch cost aropund $1,000. It still runs well and looks great. I could probably get another 50,000 miles out of this car.

    On a different note, I looked at the new es 300 a few weeks ago, and did not care for the design of the front end. I was passing a dealership today and went in and looked at the car again. I have totally changed my opinion on the design, and think the design of the front end is ahead of its time. I felt the same way about the front end of the Mercedes e class with the round headlights. I didn't like it at first, but now think its one of the best looking cars around.

    I have now decided I'm going to try and lease a new es 3000. Do you think I could get a lease for around $500 a month on a 5 year lease, with no cap reduction?
  • autos3autos3 Posts: 24
    We will miss our TL-S, but we also have a 00 RL.
    We have returned to our Acura dealer with the TL for the following...the pearl paint on the front/rear bumpers in so miss-/-matched to the rest of the car, particularly highlighted when the car is less and 100% clean...also, with fall season in full bloom in upstate NY our fan for the climate control has been clogged 2times and will sound like a jetplane when turned on, ACURA states this is a "normal trait" to the TL's climate system and will probably clog again...the front seats make tons of strange noises...the sunroof when fully opened vibrates...ABS brake sensor replaced...and seals around the front windshield coming off.

    None of these small inconveniences have left us stranded, but we CERTAINLY have come to expect more from Acura, we have owned several since 1986.

    One other small complaint I have is the TL's Xenon headlights. Comparing them to our RL they are note the same. The RL's appear to us to be brighter, and remain "bluish" during the entire time they are on, the TL's are blue for 30 seconds and then appear almost halogen from inside the car, also the RL's xenons seem to pick up sign reflectors better than the TL's. I know this may seem trivial to some, but to us they are not the same type bulbs, and have become spoiled by the RL's xenon headlights. Anyone have any feedback on the 02 ES xenon bulbs?
  • rebelskrebelsk Posts: 65
    I am trading in my Acura RL for the 2002 ES 300 and was wondering how you compared the two cars in terms of comfort as well as performance.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I think your message was meant for autos3. He's the one with an RL.
  • autos3autos3 Posts: 24
    What year is your RL? I feel our 00 RL is on
    par with the 02 ES. This says alot for the RL, which is 7 years into its current form. I look forward to my drive to work everyday with the RL. It is comfortable, solid, reliable, and yes, fun to drive, and with a killer stereo. Our new 02 ES has the ML sound system, but I think the BOSE system in the RL competes well.

    Neither the RL or 02 ES will win many drag races, but clearly, these cars are meant to be lux crusiers, not sports sedans. I believe with our 00 RL and 02 ES we have the best 2 entry-level lux sedans available, and if Acura introduces another rebate, ($5000.00 when we purchased our 00) on the 02, I will be the first
    in line at Northeast Acura to purchase another. I quess you can tell I love the RL.
  • rebelskrebelsk Posts: 65
    I have the 2000 Acura RL also. The Bose system is quite good. How would you compare the Mark Levinson System to it? Which has stronger sound quality and which creates a better soundstage? Which has more power? How about the feeling of space inside the car? Does the ES seem much smaller? How does the gas milage between the two cars compare? It souns like you favor the RL to the ES overall. Is that how you feel? Thanks
  • cavescaves Posts: 13
    Thanks for the Nav System tip. I found were the Nav was set to Avoid Freeways. Set the Nav System to use Freeways it recalculated the trip to LA to 6 hrs plus minutes using Interstate 5. Thanks for your suggestion.
  • cavescaves Posts: 13
    Thanks for the Sunvisor info. The sunvisor does move back and forth when placed at the side windows position. Thanks for the help.
  • I have been very busy this week. I bought a 02 Mystic Gold. I live in Hawaii, so we get no cars with NAV system, Lucky us. I understand in two years it will be available, not something I'm interested in (its an island). The ML is terrific, I'm a jazz listener, so its CD's for me. The wife listens to talk radio. We have not heard the problems mentioned earlier. We shopped the Acura and Infiniti, just like the quiet and smooth ride of the Lexus. This is our first car with the Xenon lights, just terrific on the dark roads of the North Shore. I will try to check in more often if there are more questions. Of course I'll be spending a lot of time in the car.

  • To all of you considering the new Lexus ES 300. Great car. However, the engine does not match even the base TL. Okay at low speed. When it comes to taking off the engine hesitates. Almost feels like it is straining. Try a 225 or 260 TL-- there is a difference! Looked at a 2 year lease. $519 for Acura $706 for Lexus (Brooklyn, NY dealer). When Lexus puts in a Lexus of a power plant,it may be worth the money over an Acura, let a lone a Camry XLE V6.
  • I don't think anyone would disagree that more power would be a good thing (as long as price remains relatively constant). I was also disappointed that the ES didn't get a power boost this year. But nothing I know of matches the interior quality of the new ES for <$35K. And an extra 15 or 40 horses wouldn't be enough to put me into a TL(-S) with lower interior quality.

    I'm pretty sure Lexus will give the ES a power boost in a few years. I would wait if I could, but I need a new car sooner than that. So that's that.
  • rebelskrebelsk Posts: 65
    Has anyone seen this color in person on the car? How would you describe it?
  • autos3autos3 Posts: 24
    My RL has 26K miles on it. It rides/handles like a dream. The BOSE soundsystem seems to creat more sound/bass, but the Mark Levinson seems cleaner/crisp. The RL sucks when it comes to fuel mileage, the ES, they claim will approach the 30's/highway. The RL feels bigger, but not much. The RL also feels heavier.
    We like our cars to craddle us when moving down the road, and that is what these cars do. We also have an 01 S2000, which crunches our urge for sport driving, so we expect pampering from both of these cars, and thats exactly what we get.
  • gambhirgambhir Posts: 64
    I saw it last week--starlight pearl--it is a light bluish metallic and very pretty--was disappointed by alabaster metallic but milennium silver is very pretty as well
  • gdb55gdb55 Posts: 14
    I'm aware that the ES300 is being shipped in 3 different option configurations. Even so, I assumed that one could still put in a special order for a different combination of the various options listed in Kelley Blue Book as long as a 90 day wait was tolerable. The salesman in Portland, OR told me today, however, that you can't do special orders. For example, he said that the only ways to get the wood steering wheel option is to either get the "High Intensity Discharge Headlamps" option, or the Nav System/ML audio packages. Am I being fed a line,
    or is this true? Kelley Blue Book lists several options which are avialable either with a package or individually??
  • parnolaparnola Posts: 140
    My parents have an '02 ES on order that is not one of the basic configs (ML, no NAV, no HID, heated seats, wood steering wheel, and VSC), so it appears to be possible to order any config.
  • rebelskrebelsk Posts: 65
    I have also ordered the 2002 ES 300 and it will take 90 days to receive, at least that is what i have been told. I am hoping to have it by late November. I ordered mine with Mark Levinson (no nav), AVS, HID, and VSC.
  • mrzinjmrzinj Posts: 5
    My wife and I just took home our newest edition - a Millenium silver, black interior, ML/Nav, 2002 ES 300. We are quite thrilled with the car. Rides like butter and has a wonderful interior. We live in Chicagoland and leased it from McGrath. We paid sticker as our current sedan was on its last legs and we couldn't wait for prices to fall. The car was residualed for 39 mos. at 61% with an MF of .00265. I traded in a 94 Eagle Vision TSI for $1800 and put around $1400 up front for a monthly payment of $602. Just pleased as punch with the whole darn experience. If I got suckered, please don't tell me....I want to believe I did it right!!! :) For those waiting, it's worth it and for those still undecided, go for won't be sorry.
  • gambhirgambhir Posts: 64
    gdb55-I am in portland, OR too and believe the info you got is inaccurate

    mrzinj-there is no price value of the joy this car is giving you--congrats--you will love the car

    all-again the only restriction kelly blue book site tells is that you cannot get avs unless you order BOTH nav and ML
  • I am going to sell my 1996 ES300(black on tan leather), which is in good condition except couple of minor scratches on the rear bumber and the hood, it has 64K miles, cd changer and so on. I am asking $15,700 willing to go down to 15,000. Do you think that's a reasonable price for upper new york state. Actually my goal is to buy a '95 Lexus LS400. So please send me some feedback, highly appriciated.
    Thanks a lot, LEXUS forever
  • Howdy:

    I have 1400 miles on my new ES, and I'm still loving it. I still don't have a good sense of where the front bumper is, due to the sloped nose. The parking garage at my office gives me a tight space between a Ford Exhibition (er, uh, Expedition)and a Lincoln LS. It's a little scary nosing the ES into the space, not knowing when I'll hit the wall. So I bought a carpet remnant which is the color of the cement garage wall, and will glue it to the wall at bumper level, just in case.

    I got a little discount on my auto insurance because the ES has etched glass windows. These are numbered to discourage theft.

    I put a coat of Zaino polishing compound on it tonight, and the black paint looks deep and wet. Glad I found out about Zaino. It's a non-wax coating designed for show cars. I like it.

    Still getting all kinds of stares, esp. from other Lexus owners. Today the owner of a beautiful black '02 GS430 stopped dead in his tracks to let me cruise by. He and his passengers were animatedly pointing and commenting on my ES. Bet he wishes he waited and spent less money on an ES...

    I'm getting a lot of bang for my buck with this car. Not sorry at all that I bought an early one for retail.

    I'm going to talk to the dealer about swapping the alloys for a set of 16" GS chromies. That will complete the look I'm going for.

    I've owned two great Infinitis, one of which I still own with 140K miles. It's still going strong. I like the ES so much more than the I35 I was looking at. The distinctive look, massive interior and trunk space, and the overall luxury of the ES sold me.


  • domettgdomettg Posts: 55
    I am going to get winter tires for my '99 ES this year after 2 winters with the Michelin MXV4's which were just awful in the snow. Previous post have mentioned the Michelin Artic Alpin and the Bridgestone Blizzak. I notice there is a Blizzak MZ-02 and a WS-50. I definitely think I want a winter tire vs. an All Season. Any input/personal experience would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Congrats on the new car. You and I must have similar taste since the ES I have on order is also Millenium Silver with a black interior.

    For everyone out there, I saw a guy getting out of a new Alabaster ES on Saturday and went up to ask him about his car. He only had it for three days but said he loved everything about the car and the dealer. His previous car was a one-year old Jaguar S-Type which was totaled as a result of some flooding due to heavy rains a few weeks ago. The guy said he feels the new ES is so much of a better car than his Jag, which cost $20,000 more than the ES. He said the Jag always had problems. Also, he did go look at a BMW too. But the dealer was so arrogant he walked out. It's the guys first Lexus but the dealer treatment, exceptional quality and the luxury of the car itself definitely played a part in his purchase decision.

    One other note: The Chicago Tribune's auto writer on Sunday reviewed the new ES. This guy is usually pretty tough but he liked the car. His only real criticism is the price of a fully-loaded car.

    Plusses he cites:
    1. The car is so distanced from the Camry that it now comes across as a smaller version of the LS 430.

    2. The engine is listed a s a plus also. The writer calls it an "alert V6 with good mileage rating." Nowhere in the article does he mention a lack of power.
  • I went with Arctic Alpins on my 2000 ES300. I purchased the tires and an extra set of alloy wheels from Tire Rack. I went with 15" wheels for the snow tires although I have 16" wheels for my non-snow tires. Anyway, the tires (and VSC) have been great. I got through our 200" snow season last year in Upstate New York okay.
  • domettgdomettg Posts: 55
    Thanks for the reply on the Arctic Alpins. Are they noisy at highway speeds?
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