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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • Well, obviously the dealer charged more, but it is because he also did more. More than just oil, filter, and tire rotation. He actually called another local dealer and they also quoted about $250. The Lexus dealer's when they charge $250 to $300 also do more than what is recommended by the owner's manual.

    hunter001, if the thud is coming from the rear end, I doubt it is the engine mount.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    If you read the pick up board here, you'll notice a similar complaint on the Tacomas only with ABS. I don't think the trucks have hyd. engine mounts.

    Anyway, the thud or thunk has been confirmed by my servicing and selling dealer as the ABS. Please explain the mount theory. Do they actually pump up after sitting?

    Antisoma, my noise comes from under the car, right side, toward the front. I wonder if it's a different noise?
  • modvptnl, I thought one of the earlier posters-a few days ago, maybe a week ago-said the thud was coming from the rear. I don't have a 2002 model, so can't say what the thud is. If the dealer told you it's the ABS system, and it occurs on all cars, I wouldn't doubt him.
  • Please explain the mount theory.

    The TL also makes this noise (only after the car has sat a while like a couple of days/overnight) and this came up in the site about a year back. A dealership technician (who is pretty good) gave a detailed explanation (which I don't have right here with me), basically pointing to the hydraulic mounts as the source of the "thunk". Basically it is supposed to be perfectly normal. Actually, the engine of the car is very smooth..... for instance, at a stop light, the only way you would know the engine is running, is by watching the tachometer and this smoothness is due to the presence of the hydraulic mounts; but the downside is that one has to accept this "thunk" after the car has sat for a while.

    Hope this helps.

  • My '99 ES has Michelin MXV 4 tires which are not good on wet roads or snow. I see on the Michelin web site that they have been replaced by the "Energy MXV 4 Plus", which Michelin claims has much better all season performance. Anyone have any experience with these?
  • domettg, The Energy MXV4 tires stink also. Maybe they have better all season performance, but they are even harder riding and louder than regular MXV4 tires.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I replaced the original Dunlops on my 1995 ES 300 with BF Goodrich Touring T/As. They are great -- quiet, smooth-riding and good in rain and snow.
  • mbbenzmbbenz Posts: 47
    Referring back to my post #1650 I recently put the snow tires that I bought onto our 99 ES300. We had like 6 inches this past weekend in Central Mass. I woke up to the white stuff on the ground. I then took the car out with the original Michelin MXV4 tires on it. The car slip and slide everywhere. the traction control light was constantly blinking. The car could barely make it up a 5 degrees incline. Also these Michelin have 37k miles on them so they aren't exatly new. I then went home and jack the car up in garage and mount on the 4 Yokohama Guardex F720 and took the car back out. Wowser!!! What big difference. The car climed the same hill with easy, Tires weren't spinning everywhere. Stopped like a charm. I am very impress with these Yokos. I can't say for sure how the Bridgestone Blizzaks or Michelin Arctic Alpins are but I highly recommend these Yokos. I feel much better having wife wife riding on these Yokos when there is snow on the ground. As far as on ice, I haven't test yet since the snow melted quickly the past few days therefore never got to become ice. But I am confident it will do very well on ice as well. Just when we thought we had to trade in the ES for the RX300 AWD. The Yokos saved the day.
  • mbbenzmbbenz Posts: 47
    One regret is I wished I had ordered them on some kind of alloy or aluminun wheels rather than the steel wheels with Toyota hubcabs.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    If you've already stated, I apologize.

    Did you get it diagnosed? Like I've said, it seems to be a chronic Toy problem with vehicles equipped with ABS.

    Even though we love the car, it's a flaw that is inexcusable IMHO.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    I haven't gotten it diagnosed, but I can ask about it during the first checkup.
    What do you mean by "Toy"?

    What bothers me more is the ever-present background hiss in the standard stereo system (a problem you don't have with your ML).
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    Toyota. When is your first check up?

    I did mine last week. I changed the oil myself @1200 miles. And will let Lexus do it for free @5000. The dealer asked if it was "OK" to give me a rental car for the day because it would take longer than the 45 minutes for the check up. So far the dealer service is all it's been cracked up to be.

    Sorry about the hiss. Maybe a filter or something in the power wire to the radio will fix it. Shouldn't happen on a Lexus!!!

    The wife drove the Cobra today for the first time in 2 months. Wishes the ES had the power(told her to get the 430 GS!!) but is more than happy with the vault like silence of her ES.
  • Have a '98 ES300 w/ 93,000 trouble free miles. Car came equipped w/ Dunlop 4000's. Have since replaced w/ MXV4's for 'normal' conditions.For winter, I use the Arctic Alpines. Both sets of tires perform extremely well in the conditions for which they were designed. Both these sets of Michelins also offer a 'quiet' ride which was also a consideration for purchase.
    Good news is that there is still no snow in Buffalo, NY (yes, I know it's hard to believe), and I'm still running on the MXV4's. Tomorrow, the forecast is for 60 degrees. I think there's room in the trunk for my golf clubs.
  • You're pushing your luck. I thought I was pushing MY luck here in Syracuse when I waited until last Saturday to put on my Michelin Arctic Alpins. The forecast proved to be correct and we got several inches of snow. Since it was the weekend, I didn't go outside except for a snowball fight with my son. However, so far it's a big change from last year when we got about 200" total. I'm sure it won't be long before we get hit hard. Hope you have your snow tires on by then!
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Actually, I don't know when my first checkup will be yet. I guess it's supposed to be 30 days after I buy the car.
    If you'd like, e-mail me at and we can keep in touch about our ESes.
  • I know I'm 'rollin the dice' regarding upstate NY winters and having my snow tires mounted. Long range forecast states that there might be some snow by Xmas. I'll definitely have them installed before then. Especially since I'll be travelling the Syracuse/Albany stretch early in 2002. Until then, the links beckon.
  • I picked up my 2002 ES 300 this week. Great car-obviously.

    One thing I learned that I did not know before, so I pass it along. You can buy the Lexus extended warranty at any time up to 36k miles or 3 years, whichever is earlier...if you wait, you pay the same price as someone who was buying a new es300 that I can't figure that there is any reason to buy the warranty today. Of course, the price will be higher, but the increase is not based on the fact that they are now "insuring" a new car.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    I hope you enjoy your new ES300. Please keep us informed as you drive the vehicle for a while as to how you like it. Advise us if you experience the noise problem that has been talked about in the previous posts. What color did you get? Thanks.
  • Any idea on the selling or drive-out price of a new 2002 ES 300 with premium package in the Houston, TX area? Thanks.
  • Has anyone out there got a source for a Lexus dealer willing to deal on the price for an extended warranty? A good friend just bought the 2002 ES-300 and his selling dealer is asking $1400 for the top end warranty (100,000 miles, 7 years).

  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The 7-year/100,000 Platinum extended warranty covers everything (as opposed to the Gold version which covers most things). The "list" price of this with no deductible is $1660 for the ES 300. Note it was $1375 for the 2001 model.

    So, $1400 is still s decent deal. I will get one when my car arrives in January. I negotiated a price of $1200.

    Although I will get the warranty at the dealer I bought the car from, you can get the warranty from any dealer. Shop around and make the dealers compete for your business.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Who is the manager to talk to about extended warranties? (sales? service?)
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I think it's the business manager (the guy who handles financing, leasing, etc.). I don't recall his title. But it's definitely not the sales or service manager.
  • Is the dealer who's offering you your Platinum warranty at $1200 interested in selling another at that price for a 2002 ES300 (locals aren't moving much off list here in DC area)? If so, could you email me or post his name & number and I'll refer my friend who's looking to him/her. If not, I understand.

  • I factory ordered my 2002 ES in Sept and heard that it will be arriving in the next few weeks. I ordered the car in Starlight Pearl with the Mark Levinson Stereo,AVS, and most of the other features with the exception of the Navigation system which I did not want. I will give a full review of the car after I get it and have driven it for a period of time.
  • I got the silver with ML and Nav. I've got about 500 miles on it now. I have not heard the "sound"--but you can hardly hear anything in this car, including the engine. The stereo is great and the NAV is very interesting..I have yet to use it when I really "needed" it (as opposed to just showing off.)

    I was most impressed with all of the safety features, including a brake pedal that crushes at a certain force. The car feels very heavy and sturdy in a very safe sort of way.

    The rain sensing wipers seem to work appropriately, as opposed to at least one other message here suggesting that they seemed to come on late.

    My only "complaint" is that when you shut the engine off, and the moonroof has been open, it does not automatically close--(or maybe I just haven't figured out how)--In my Camry, it would close whenever the engine shut off.

    There are some really cool features, like hold the unlock button on your key remote control for several seconds and all of the windows and the moonrool open...That would be great at you approach the car on a very hot day.

    I imagine that the biggest "complaint" you will see are accidents arising out of playing with the NAV or audio controls on the finger touch screen..very easy to get distracted, even though many (but not all) of the NAV programming features actually are not available when you are moving.
  • tiger8tiger8 Posts: 120
    The New York Times damned the new ES300 with faint praise today (12/16) and summarized it all by calling the car "Bland Ambition." They need to put a little of the IS into it.

    Motorweek didn't sound too enthusiastic either in today's TV review.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Leuxs is certainly trying to differentiate their 2 least expensive cars into sport and luxury. The IS is low on luxury and high on sportiness, while the ES is high on luxury and low on sportiness.

    Of course, it's nice to have the best of both worlds. But how would one put a little of the IS into it? Tighten the handling and suspension? If I wanted better handling at the expense of a bumpier ride, I wouldn't buy an ES. Or one could always get the AVS option on the ES. I wouldn't mind the new ES having a more powerful engine, which should come in a few years for the ES.

    If the new ES is bland, I'd hate to think what they thought of the previous generation ES. I doubt many of the editors cared as much about the vastly upgraded interior luxury than they did about the fact that the engine didn't get any more powerful.

    I think Lexus has the right business ideas as far as their model lineup is concerned. They'll sell a lot of both the ES and IS, even though they might not necessarily please all the performance-minded magazine editors.
  • tiger8tiger8 Posts: 120
    The Times reviewer who called the ES300 bland said that other manufactuers try to combine sporty qualities in a luxury or near-luxury package, e.g., the Acura TL (and TL-S), the BMW 530, the Passat, the Audi A6, Volvo S80, etc. In other words, he felt Lexus had opted to produce a Japanese Buick rather than a sporty-luxury mix.
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