Lexus ES 300/ES 330

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  • chgo68chgo68 Member Posts: 5
    I just bought my ES330 Sports Edition with...

    * NAV & Mark Levinson Audio, HID Headlamps
    * VSC, Black Birds-Eye Maple Wood,
    * Black Pearl Emblems on Trunk Lid
    * Channeled Spoke Wheel Design
    * Power Rear Sun Shade

    I had a leased RX300, 2001 w/Nav for about 3.5 yeas and called Lexus Financial and they told me they have a special 6 payment waiver certificate program which basically I can drop the old car off at the delar and either lease or purchase another any Lexus through Lexus Financial Service without paying the remaining 6 payments. Lexus did save me few thousand dollars and I was almost going to buy the BMW X3 SUV.

    But I'm glad I got my ES330 Sports Edition. I got a great deal on it and the ES330 has a much better gas millage than BMW X3 or even my old RX300. I did test drive the new 2004 RX330 but find the engine is quite noisier than my old 2001 RX300.

    My favorite part of my new ES330 Sports Edition is the Black Birds-Eys wood trim, it does give a more sportier feel with the charcoal gray leather trim. The new NAV has lots of nice improvement and it's very user friendly. I think it's the best in the market (even better than Acura)

    I'm not really impressed with the Mark Levinson Stereo system. I don't know if there is any setting issue to get the best sound but I think my old RX300, 2001 had a better sound system. However, I did see on the radio AM button also listed as "SAT" and my delar told me there is an XM Satellite Radio Option for $900 (Delar installed Option)?? I'm not sure if she is right, is anyone know anything about this new option?? and is anyone has the Mark Levinson on the new ES330, 2004 model and how do you like it. Thanks.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    I'm not really sure how you can not like the ML system. Granted its not as good in ES form as the ultimate version of it in the LS, but compared ot the basic "Lexus Premium Soundsystem" in the RX (I know what that system sounds like, my wife has one) its worlds ahead. The old RXs stereo isnt even that great as far as Lexus' basic systems go. I know Lexus stereos VERY well, and the old ES, and especially the 92-00 SC sounded much better than the RX. As you get into high end audio, the equipment starts to reveal flaws that you might not have noticed before. Quite frankly, Im not even sure how most recording engineers are able to keep their jobs, as probably 98% of commercial CDs are absolute garbage as far as the mixing and mastering are concerned.
  • chgo68chgo68 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks for the comment about the ML Audio System. Part of me feel relifed that the ML is worth the money and as you described it sound much better than the Premium sound system in the ES330.

    But it also makes me wonder if my new ES330 ML has a flaw or maybe not set up correctly? The only sound control is through the NAV screen (same as my old RX300, '01 model)and don't know if there is any other way to fine tune the sound system??
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    All you really can change are the bass\mid\treble and B\F controls in the nav screen. If it really doesnt sound good, it is possible that there is something wrong. You can use a Radioshack SPL meter to see if one or more of the speakers is not outputting like it should, or next time the car is in for scheduled maintanence, make a note for them to check it out.

    The current ES' standard system is a 7-speaker, 86 watt system. 86 isnt much. Thats only roughly 12W to each speaker, which is about as much power as the average TV speaker has. The ML system doesnt add additional speakers, at least I dont think so, but they are replaced with much higher quality ones, and a 240W root mean squared amp, which means it is capable of a lot more than that in small doses. Thats a pretty big difference.
  • mmccloskeymmccloskey Member Posts: 168
    Greetings:

    My 2K2 ES300 has the Nav w/ML sound system and there is another setting (ASL) that you can activate which adds more depth to the music. I have never heard the 'Premium Sound' system and got the ML because I knew I wouldn't be satisfied unless I had it. The sound is very impressive and absolutely crystal-clear with no distortion/hiss and the bass is more than sufficient and not at all muddy like some other systems. Please investigate the ASL setting on your ML system and ensure it is on. Maybe this is why you haven't been impressed with the sound quality.

    Regards -

    M. J. McCloskey
    2K2 ES300 Alabaster - loaded
  • chgo68chgo68 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks for the info. My ASL setting is ON and I think it has to do with if the cabin noisy level goes up (wind, road, or street noisy)and the ASL will automatically increase volume so you can still hear it.

    I noticed one thing that the ML system has a wider range on the volume control (low - high) than my old RX300. In other words, the ML system offers a finer/more precise volume level control than my old RX300.

    Maybe I did not turn the volume high enough to really feel the ML's acoustic effect in my ES330. I turned the volume to 30-32 while driving in the traffic (about 40MPH)and the ML sound great. Thanks.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Thats certainly possible. Fancy speakers are often very insensitive (85-89db/m) and may require some real power to get them moving like they should.
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    The ASL (Automatic Sound Leveling) is standard on all of the Lexus stereo systems. This system increases the volume of the stereo as speed/ambient sound increases. Unfortunately I've found that the system doesn't work near as well as the GM systems that have an adjustable setting and that actually work.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    There was a version of it pre to the current ASL in my '96 LS. I always left it off, its not that hard for me to reach over and turn the knob clockwise a bit.
  • ralph1ralph1 Member Posts: 5
    I have an 01 es300 white with gray trim. We just got it a few months ago.What is the paint code for the white ? I don't see the code on my driver side door. I was told it was repalced due to an accident.
  • msbehavnmsbehavn Member Posts: 5
    I am looking into buying a 1998 Lexus Es300 with 95,000 miles. I've been researching on the internet and am now REALLY freaked out about this engine oil gelling problem. This car appears to be maticulously maintained, but is there a way I can check for gelling before I buy the car? Anything else I should look for? Thanks in advance.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    Pre-98 Lexus' had nothing remotely close to ASL(Automatic Sound Leveling).
  • car2unecar2une Member Posts: 3
    Does anyone have any experience with installing an auxiliary input line into an ES stereo system, specifically the in-dash 6 CD unit (04)? Does the stereo have a 'line in' input on the rear of the stereo, or is there some other way to get a line-in?

    I'd like to directly hook up an iPod, without using a FM transmitter or cassette adapter, and would like to hear about other's experiences before I try to pull out the stereo.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Talk to the dealer. Modern cars have extremely complex wiring systems and complicated anti-theft devices. They dont want ANYONE to be able to get the stereo out, which means you basically cant get it out yourself. Whats wrong with a cassette adapter?
  • toydrivertoydriver Member Posts: 227
    I believe the Lexus / Toyota V6 engines from '98-'01 (and some 4cylinder engines) were the ones prone to engine oil gelling. Lexus/Toyota would not admit a engineering problem, but claimed they would pay for one time repair on those engines affected, provided the owner could prove a minimum amount of maintenance had been done. Well, I owned a '99 RX (bought as a used Lexus Certified) that started using oil at 55K mi (2 quarts per 1000mi) and am convinced that was the problem. Lexus wouldn't admit an engine oil gelling problem and kept postponing the repair, so I traded it in.
    Anyway, I think excessive oil use (without any observable leak) is the main symptom of the oil gel problem. It should be obvious to the technician during oil/filter changes.

    You should pay a third party mechanic to look over the engine before you buy it. (IMO) 95,000 miles is high. It could last for another 100K, but I have to believe that there must be an engineering problem with those engines (even the ones without observable oil gelling) that could limit their lifetime.
    Good luck, but you know the old saying - buyer beware.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Member Posts: 391
    If you remove a valve cover, you should be able to see if the engine shows signs of sludge (gell).
  • jurytrialjurytrial Member Posts: 3
    Good luck getting an Ipod, satellite radio, or anything else directly hooked up to the back of the head unit in the 330. I've been looking into it myself for several months and have found that Lexus is one of the only cars out there(with the exception of the LS430 which has an XM radio option) which won't allow any inputs nor is there anything compatible in the aftermaket in case you wanted to swap out the head unit
  • sev6sev6 Member Posts: 26
    That's what I thought...why would the gs get a 3.0 v6....
  • kleemittkleemitt Member Posts: 9
    If the engine eats up the oil and runs with low level of engine oil or worse--with dry engine oil, it will definetely damage the engine. Once this happens, what is the remedy? Will engine flush do the job??
  • surrfurtomsurrfurtom Member Posts: 122
    Any golfers out there? Will the ES330 trunk hold 4 medium -large golf bags (not lightweight carry bags, but not huge cart bags)? I like the car but not sure it is large enough in the trunk area. I know the LS430 is large enough but not sure I want to sink that much into a car. Thanks in advance.
  • toydrivertoydriver Member Posts: 227
    surrfurtom:
    I carry a lightwt. Ping bag which fills about 1/3 of the trunk. You could probably fit 4 of these lightwt. soft-sided bags in the trunk (with empty side pockets); akin to cramming soft-side carry on luggage in an airline overhead compartment. There is no way, IMO, that more than 1 of those heavy leather(old Ben Hogan-type) bags would fit in the trunk.

    Your bags must be somewhere in between these sizes and I agree with you that 4 probably wouldn't fit (unless they have collapsable sides and empty pockets and you don't need to carry shoes, umbrellas, etc. in the trunk also).
  • kleemittkleemitt Member Posts: 9
    I just bought a 2000 ES300 with 52,500 miles on it. When should I change the timing belt???
  • wayne1wayne1 Member Posts: 6
    The owners manual says 90,000 miles along with the tune up.
  • surrfurtomsurrfurtom Member Posts: 122
    Thanks for the info on the golf bag. It does look tight for 4 bags. Maybe I should think about a Crown Vic.
  • toydrivertoydriver Member Posts: 227
    surrfurtom:
    Have you considered the Toyota Avalon as an alternative to the ES300? (Larger trunk and back seat room). Excellent reliability (also own an '95 Av with 140K mi - still going strong), and is less money than the ES. And no, I don't work for Toyota.
  • ll248ll248 Member Posts: 1
    And if so, is it big enough for 2 pairs?
  • kleemittkleemitt Member Posts: 9
    Thank you wayne1.
    Second question, should I go to the dealership to have the timing belt changed or just a corner repair shop will do? If I go to the dealership, how much would it be?
  • sopecreeksopecreek Member Posts: 203
    You may want to check with Toyota dealer shop if you want to save some bucks. BUT I also remember timing belt is one of the items that ES300 doesn't share with the Camry (don't count on my words), so you probably want to do it in Lexus or Lexus specialist.
  • surrfurtomsurrfurtom Member Posts: 122
    toydriver...
    Thanks, yes I have looked at the Avalon. I've considered it although I don't really like it as well as the ES330. The Nav requires use of a remote which sounds awkward. I agree that the car is bigger in the trunk and rear seat. A friend has a 2004 Avalon and a 2000 and loves both.

    The LS430 is a great car and would meet my trunk needs but I can't see spending that much on a depreciating asset and driving what some consider a pretentious vehicle, but that's only me.

    But on second thought I might have to reconsider.
  • rparisrparis Member Posts: 368
    overall, I believe the Avalon is much larger inside andhas a nice ride. I own an ES, friends have the Avalon. Both nice.
  • gekko2gekko2 Member Posts: 87
    Lexus nets quality award -- again
    J.D. Power says Detroit's big three made impressive gains; VW, Land Rover struggle.
    June 29, 2004: 4:54 PM EDT

    DETROIT (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp. was the highest-ranking automaker in an annual vehicle quality survey released on Tuesday, with its Lexus luxury brand winning top honors for the 10th consecutive year.

    The closely watched J.D. Power and Associates survey of long-term vehicle dependability is based on responses from 48,000 owners of three-year-old vehicles in the United States when questioned about scores of specific problems ranging from wind or brake noise to uneven tire wear and stalling engines.

    The survey is key to the auto industry because 52 percent of new car buyers say long-term quality is one of the most important factors in their choice of brands, according to J.D. Power. It is also important to automakers because of warranty costs.

    Toyota's Lexus unit topped the brand rankings with 162 problems per 100 vehicles. But Japan's largest automaker also led manufacturers overall, with 207 problems per 100 vehicles, followed closely by Honda Motor Co. Ltd. with 210 problems.

    Porsche AG, with 240 problems, General Motors Corp. with 262, and BMW AG with 264, rounded out the top five.

    "The two (Toyota and Honda) are head and shoulders above everybody else and the factor there is that they were the first in the industry to recognize that building vehicles that last is really the most important thing," said Joe Ivers, J.D. Power's executive director of quality and customer satisfaction research.

    "Building vehicles that last tends to produce a whole lot of benefits that aren't immediately obvious. One of course is that it satisfies more customers, it gets you more customers," Ivers told Reuters.

    For the second straight year, GM was alone among Detroit's traditional Big Three automakers in ranking above the industry average of 269 problems per 100 vehicles. Its Buick brand placed No. 2 behind Lexus and its Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC, Saab and Saturn nameplates all scored above the industry average as well.

    Ivers said Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler unit of DaimlerChrysler also made impressive gains.

    "The domestics have been touting for a couple of years now the commitments they've been making to long-term quality, and we just had not seen, until now, consistent evidence of that. Now we're really seeing that," Ivers said.

    Preception lags reality
    Despite improvements, Ivers, who noted that GM was neck-and-neck with Toyota in the number of highly ranked vehicles, cautioned that Detroit has an image problem stemming from some of its poorly built vehicles of the past, however.

    "It takes a long time for a reputation to get healed ... The perception tends to lag the reality sometimes by as much as 10 years," Ivers told reporters on a conference call.

    "There's a large cross-section of customers out there who just will not consider a domestically produced vehicle and in many cases the (past) quality is the barrier," he said.

    Volkswagen AG and its Audi unit both improved over last year's results. But VW was still near the bottom of the survey and Ivers said virtually all European automakers were struggling with quality problems.

    Land Rover, which Ivers described as a perennial loser, finished last among individual nameplates. "They're highly desirable vehicles but they tend to have a tough time getting customers to buy more than one," he said.

    Since their 1998 linkup with Chrysler, executives at Daimler have boasted about how Mercedes-Benz would show its poor American cousin how to build more dependable and desirable vehicles.

    But Chrysler and its Dodge, Jeep and now-defunct Plymouth brands all out-ranked Mercedes, which had 327 problems per 100 vehicles, up from 318 problems in last year's survey.
      
    Find this article at:
    http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/29/pf/autos/autos_quality.reut/index- .htm<
  • motownusamotownusa Member Posts: 836
    The Toyota Avalon is getting a new 3.5L 270+hp engine for MY 05/06. I think it is a good bet that the ES would get this engine also. If they come out with a "sports" version, that would give the Acura TL, Infiniti G35 and the BMW 330 a serious run for its money.
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    Any sports version of the current ES is a hard sell. It just does not look like one. Maybe the 06 ES will become one and then every lux. sedan in that price range will be sports sedan. I am not sure if that's all good tho. Right now it's ES330 that is being given quite a run for its money by TL and G35 and that's not all that bad for those who care less about sports whatever as they can pick up some bargains on ES.
  • 307web307web Member Posts: 1,033
    I doubt they will change the engine yet again when the entire car is due for replacement in a couple years. Maybe the replacement model for 2007 will be an ES350.
    The styling doesn't fit any kind of "sport" image. The exterior got pretty dowdy and frumpy compared to the last generation ES300.
    Also, the transmission does not like sporty driving with quick downshifts and hard acceleration.
  • davidzdavidz Member Posts: 35
    The August issue of Car & Driver (just out) shows a picture of the upcoming '06 Avalon and says that it's supposed to get the 3.5 liter 270 hp engine. Quite attractive, IMO.
  • davidzdavidz Member Posts: 35
    The August issue of Car & Driver (just out) shows a picture of the upcoming '06 Avalon and says that it's supposed to get the 3.5 liter 270 hp engine. Quite attractive, IMO.
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    The 2005 Windom (the ES 330 in Japan) is up on Toyota's Japanese website. It clearly shows the changes coming to the ES in a few months for 2005. Some quick observations:

    1. By the look of the headlights it seems like they may have the swiveling projector beams.
    2. More chrome on the grille.
    3. Round foglights.
    4. Different air intake in lower front bumper.
    5. Thin chrome strip above rear license plate.
    6. Redesigned taillights (which may be LED, it's hard to tell).
    7. Lighter wood with the ivory interior.
    8. Steering wheel radio controls.

    http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Windom/exterio- r/index.html
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    Also the panel around GPS/radio seems lighter, and some pics show a strip (of logo?) above molding on front doors. Not as many colors to choose as well. How corresponding is Windom to ES timing and content wise?
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    The Windom's timing has been nearly the same as the ES, so expect to see an announcement very shortly on the 2005 ES. I'm sure Lexus knows people check out the Japanese website, so now that the changes have been made public Lexus will not wait much longer to announce them.

    The content between the Windom and ES is also 99% the same. In Japan they offer some cosmetic options they do not offer on the ES (such as ground effects), but everything else is the same.

    I thought I read somewhere that there would be optional 17" wheels, but I didn't see that on the site.
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    Isn't 17" wheel already avalaible for so called Sports Design ES.

    Wonder if ML will become standard, or at least optionable w/o Nav. Or just make the base audio better.....
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    The Sports Design has a different multi-spoke design, but it is still a 16" wheel. Besides, I believe the Sports Design was a limited run 2004 model only and will not be carried over into 2005.
  • kleemittkleemitt Member Posts: 9
    The filter needs to be changed yearly. And, it is located inside of the glove box. I have 2000 ES300 and the CD changer is "inside" of the glove box and that makes it hard to get to under the dash. Once you "remove" the glove box, it is really simple to change the filter. Does anyone know how to get to the other side of the glove box when there's a cd changer in it?
  • lexusfanlexusfan Member Posts: 22
    Does anyone have a suggestion for repairing minor paint scratches/rubs (not dents) that is superior to touch-up paint (less noticeable)? I rubbed some paint off the back bumper of my '04 ES only two days after delivery...
  • lexusfanlexusfan Member Posts: 22
    Just found out from the parts/service guy at my dealer, who contacted Lexus Technical Support, that the integrated XM satellite radio kits for '04 and newer ES330s (navigation unit may be required) will be released in "a couple of months". Many sales, parts and servicepeople are unaware of this upcoming kit, and have been recommending aftermaket installations, which cannot be integrated with the factory systems. There must be a button labeled "AM/SAT" on the navigation unit for this function. I'm not sure if audio systems without nav have this button, but if you do have it, be sure to check with your dealer about the kit before installing an aftermarket XM system.
  • lexusfanlexusfan Member Posts: 22
    Just got a full-spec ES330 on lease. I am having a similar experience to chgo68, who in post 4517 said that the sound out of the ML wasn't as impressive as hoped. After listening for a few days, I don't think the sound is as balanced or rich as in my old '98 ES with Nakamichi. With that car, I could basically leave the settings at flat (ctr. detent) and be satisfied with its clean bass and smooth mid/treb, even at high vol. With the ML I am missing some bass and have it turned up to 2 below max, where it starts to get a little but not overly "boomy". The treble is a little bright also, with some sharpness at higher volume. I would rate the Nak #1, the ML #2, and the system in my '01 RX #3 (which has nav & 240W factory Pioneer instead of Nak, and the mids/tweeters swapped out with MB Quart QM-218s (much cleaner, less "tinny" sound).

    Does anyone know of an adjustment (C-BEST or otherwise) to boost the subwoofer level outside of the tone controls (maybe at the speaker or amp)?
  • davidzdavidz Member Posts: 35
    I just got the 2004 ES 330 with Nav/ML. I played around with the sound settings and settled on this. Put everything to the center position. Then move the sound a couple of notches towards the front of the car. (I forget whether it's one or two notches. I'm going by memory because my car is 18 floors downstairs in the garage.) To my ears, that's the flat position.
  • davidzdavidz Member Posts: 35
    Very cool! Do you know anything about the kit such as:

    What's involved with the installation?
    Where does the receiver go? Is it hidden or out in the open?
    Is there an antenna?
    How much does it cost?
  • lexusfanlexusfan Member Posts: 22
    davidz,

    The Lexus staff member says the cost is $800. Don't know whether that includes installation. I didn't ask where the receiver would be installed, but the functionality will be integrated with the navigation system, so no external control module is needed.

    The recommended location for the antenna is on the side of the trunk lid, as on the LS, but service has been installing the LS antennas inside the car on the rear parcel shelf, against the bottom of the rear window. The signal strength is reduced, but still acceptable, whereas many find the trunk mount too aesthetically unpleasing (as would I).
  • lexusfanlexusfan Member Posts: 22
    Has anyone successfully had the "beep" sound from the navigation system (when you press a button on the screen) reduced or eliminated? It's way too loud for my taste. (The turn signal click, in contrast, is quite muted.)
  • hardheadshardheads Member Posts: 3
    Thining of buying 330 with Navigation package in midwest, and found no local dealer has it in stock. Some even told me wait for the 2005 model which due end of next month. I am sure the price won't be good for 2005 when it's just come out. So, any suggestion?
    I am considering ES330 basically because of it's reviewed quitest car, any other brand/model that as quite as ES330?
    If ES330 is the only choice and I do want Navigation, do you think it's possible order it online, fly somewhere, pickup and drive home?
    Thanks.
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