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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    Since I need to have a seat (upholstery) restitched, the dealer already told me to call in far enough in advance to get an ES300 loaner. But I will check on the 7500 mile option.
  • I am wondering what brand I should buy for car cleaning products. Many people have talked about ZAINO on this board. Is it the best one? If it is, where can I buy them? Thanks.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I use the Zaino products and love them. Not only do they create a great shine, but the protection lasts a long time. You'll especially notice it in the rain, as the water really beads up.

    The ordering info is at You print out the order form and then mail it in along with a check.

    Also note the polish is very easy to apply and wipe off.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    I find the Klasse system more to my liking. Stick with a polymer product (Klasse, Zaino, etc.) and you'll get much longer lasting protection than a traditional wax.

    I got the Klasse Councors Kit from here:
    For all you'd ever want to know about car care, go here:
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    What do you like better about the Klasse? Please let me know - I may be interested in getting some.

  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    There is a zaino discussion topic as well as a "store bought waxes (no Zaino posts)" under the Maintenance and Repair topic in the Edmund's Town Hall, in addition to the "autopia" site supplied above by kreativ.
  • tk_dettk_det Posts: 21
    I sent you an e-mail at Did you get it?
  • Thanks for those who provided wonderful information on automotive products. I remember someone here said that he got his at K-Mart. I haven't been there but would like to know if it is true.

    I did check the autopia site and it was great. People just posted their car pictures and it is an interesting forum.

    tk_det. Hotmail is down this morning but I will write you back as soon as their server is back online.

    One question for all of you: My fuel indicator lights up this morning (fuel low). When I checked with the onboard computer, it says I still have 15 miles. How reliable is that information? How many gallons do you suppose I still have in my car? Thanks.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    You really should never let your car get that low with fuel. For one thing, the gauges and computers are not always accurate and you may find yourself running out of fuel somewhere.

    Second, keep in mind in both hot and cold weather it's good to have at least half a tank of gas. The hotter and/or colder temperatures can cause problems on the tank and fuel lines if there is a lot of empty space in the tank.

    At the very least, do not let your fuel get much below even 1/4 of a tank. Hopefully you don't live too far from a gas station to make more frequent stops.
  • Hi! Tk,

    I did not get your e-mail. When did you send it? Could you send it again? Thanks.

    Lenscap, thanks a lot. I will keep in mind.
  • rtorrecartorreca Posts: 74
    I'm ready to sell my '02 ES300. Took delivery on 3/31/02 and currently has 3400 miles. Anyone have any idea what the trade-in or private resale value of this car is currently? I know I'm gonna take a bath on selling this but I cannot stand it anymore. Almost got into an accident due to it's hesitating tranny. POS.

    I simply cannot accept that a $35K vehicle has a worse transmission than a $24k camry v6 or accord v6.

    Don't know what I'll replace it with but definitely not buying Lexus ever again.

    Car details:
    Onyx Blue
    Premium Pkg
    Heated Seats
  • peter7777peter7777 Posts: 24
    All the purchase prices that I've seen mentioned here for the ES300 appear to include multiple options. Has anyone on the East Coast bought one with no options or one option? If so how much below MSRP were you able to get? All I really want is the leather seat option. Is $31,500 plus $575 delivery about right?
  • justfind6justfind6 Posts: 30
    I bought a set of Cannon WeatherTech floor mats for my ES 300. They trap all the snow I managed to carry on my boots the last few winters.
    They are specific to each vehicle, and can usually be found in an appropriate color.

    Just go to and search for cannon weathertech

    The place I bought mine usually has a full-page ad in all the major monthly car mags, such as Automobile, Car & Driver, Road & Track, Motor Trend.

  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    My experience with Lexus dealers? Couple of years ago! Well, they weren't too happy in the morning when they had to get to kick me off their property! Not my fault, my hand got stuck in the SC300's door handle, um, right. Killer thunderstorm, it was. Toughed it out, though, to get them to talk to me when they showed up for work in the morning. No dice. They mean MSRP at Lexus! (T_T)

    Friends' Dad traded in his old-style ES300 for a TrailBlazer! Can you say "no style" or "no class"?!
  • tk_dettk_det Posts: 21
    I sent you a test message again at 6:51 AM EDT. I did not get any message back from the first one indicating any problems with delivery. If your hotmail security is set to maximum, only those in your address and on your safelist will be delivered. Try sending one to me at

    Best regards
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    Many do not have the transmission problem at all. Why don't you test drive several other vehicles?
    If ALL vehicles have the problem, then I guess you will have to sell your car.

    On the other hand, if you drive one with no problem, and Lexus still denies there is a problem, you could ask if they will swap transmissions with the other car. If nothing else, you might elect to pay for a new transmission, negotiating ahead of time that if there is a problem, you will not accept the new transmission. Maybe there is something wrong with a batch of transmissions that are in vehicles sold in the February/March time frame.

    I also have a transmission problem, but I suspect yours is worse than mine is.

    I think that you might kick yourself if, down the road, Lexus decides to replace faulty transmissions at no cost to the owner. If there is a problem, Lexus HAS to fix it sometime and a new transmission might be cheaper than the depreciation on selling a new car.
  • auser72auser72 Posts: 2
    Has anyone heard about a new 3.3 liter engine for the 2004 es300? Same engine to be used in new 2003 rx330.
  • I agree. Transmission problem is not like a problem of scratches or noise. It is a BIG problem. I highly recommend that you ask Lexus to fix this problem before you try anything else. The first year depreciation of a car is usually the highest. If you sell your car now. I suspect that you will lose more than 10 grand due to depreciation. So think twice!
  • chipcourtchipcourt Posts: 2
    I was offered $33,850 for a 2002 Milennium Silver ES 300 w/ premium pkg, heated seats, hid lights & wood steering wheel trim. Is this good?
  • I agree. Transmission problem is not like a problem of scratches or noise. It is a BIG problem. I highly recommend that you ask Lexus to fix this problem before you try anything else. The first year depreciation of a car is usually the highest. If you sell your car now. I suspect that you will lose more than 10 grand due to depreciation. So think twice!
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    A thought occurred to me. The biggest impediment to Lexus admitting to and fixing the transmission problem is those who do NOT have the problem.

    Why? Because if Lexus admits the problem (and I still think it is likely a design problem, not one on individual vehicles), all of you who do not have the problem, or experience the problem are likely to want the "fix" anyway, even though you claim to be happy with your cars.

    So, if 1/4 of us have a problem, it will cost Lexus three times as much as it should to fix it. Lexus has to weigh the cost/benefit to having 1/4 of their customers unhappy versus what it would cost them to fix the cars of those who are satisfied but who would demand the fix anyway.

    So, lenscap and kreativ and aceking2000, if I reported that Lexus fixed my transmission with, say a 2003 ES300 transmission upgrade, would you then want to demand a fix from your dealer under warranty?
  • joeguy1joeguy1 Posts: 1
    Can anyone recommend any good car wax to use on the Lexus? I have a white ES-300 and it's time to put on its first coat of wax.
  • Joeguy:

    Try Zaino. Many people recommend it and it's one of the top products.


    That depends. Just like you said earlier, you did not want the dealer to break something else by fixing this problem. So do I. Honestly, my transmission is perfect and I see no reason of making any changes toward it. In fact, this is one of the best transmission I have ever experienced. My car knows when to shift from the 1st to the 2nd. Not like Honda Accord, which stays in 1st for a long period of time.

    I believe that you and others have the issues regarding the transmission. I would like to see if there if these problems occur on the car manufactured after a certain date - say April or May.

    We should keep this discussion going just to find out what is really the cause of bad transmission on some of the 2002 Lexus ES300
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    lenscap - personal preference on the Klasse (from Germany). I liked the 2-step Klasse system, with the first taking off the dealer-applied wax and laying a foundation for the sealant glaze. The first step can also be used standalone, which is what I do on other cars. I've heard enough about the high alkalinity of Dawn harming the plasticizers in the clear coat that I'd rather avoid this step if possible. If you have Zaino and am happy with it, I'd stick with it. I've heard Klasse is more durable (they claim up to 6 months with AIO, and up to a year with AIO + 1 layer SG), but it's hard to say really. I currently have 4 layers of Klasse sealant glaze on my '02 ES. AIO/SG works great for wheels too.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    The "fix" i had in mind was a software update to the transmission program. This is easily done, so yes, I'd ask for the update next time I'm at the dealer. But I haven't driven the car hard yet, so I may just not have experienced any of the described issues yet. I believe one of the issues was a hesitation when flooring the pedal at a slow speed.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    My guess is 2004 for the ES330. They haven't announced anything yet, and aren't likely to until it's about to be released. They wouldn't want to sabotage sales before then.
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    I called Desert Lexus regarding the transmission problem. The sales manager there informed me that all Lexuses have "smart" transmissions, which adapt to the driver's habits. (Note: I remember you saying this also, slaing). It would not do much good to test a different Lexus because its computer would have different info in it than mine does. Furthermore, it would probably not do much good to reset the transmission firmware - one alternative - because my driving style would just cause it to return to where it is now, unless I changed my driving style.

    The "smart" transmission issue seems very weird to me. Does it mean perhaps that the transmission will not respond optimally in driving conditions that are exceptional to the driver? What about drivers who have different styles depending upon where they drive?

    Note that in an earlier post, I noted that an LS430 owner complained of a similar symptom in their car.

    As a last resort, rtorreca may ask if the dealer will reset his transmission computer. Maybe he did some driving that caused an exceptional situation.

    In a humorous way, I asked the Desert Lexus sales representative whether my car was trying to tell me that I am a lousy driver. Oh, well. :-)
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    Call my crazy, but I seem to remember something about some car having something that adjusts to the driver's habits. It's a vague memory though.
  • rtorrecartorreca Posts: 74
    I actually talked (read complained) to the dealership about this the first week I had the car and was told the same story that it has a "smart" tranny that needs to "learn" my driving pattern. It's also because they changed from the "cable" type to fly-by-wire. When I drove their 02 es300 loaner, it's transmission felt exactly the same as mine.

    Just to clarify, the tranny problem I have is the "shuddering" when slowing down to turn. There is also hesitation when passing and merging from a complete stop. What really pissed me off what when I tried to merge into traffic, it hesitated and almost got into a serious accident. My wife and daughter was with me at the time.

    Prior to this car, I had a 99 exv6 accord coupe, which in my opinion, had one of the smoothest shifting tranny out there. I could be going 80mph (not that I drive that fast all the time) and still pass another vehicle with nary a complaint from the tranny.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I was driving down the road today and a Millennium Silver 2002 ES300 drove by me. It was very nice looking. Call me crazy (again) but is there just something about the front design (and maybe the back) that just incredibly stands out? I don't mean to say it's outlandish or ugly in design, but rather that it's just very substantial looking and attention grabbing? Toyota has done the same thing with the new Corolla. There is just something about the new Corolla's design (especially in silver) that gives it a unique and solid look.
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