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In retrospect, I see how many tranny, check engine lights, and overall finish problems that folks are having on the Honda. The Mazda has been perfect, and I am pleasantly surprised that the mpg is coming it at 23+.
We have a 2002 LX with a 3.0L 200HP engine and the five speed transmission, and it is very smooth and responsive. The Ody does have more power, however.
Room:
All post-2000 MPV's have a "magic" fold in the floor rear seat, and sliding and removal 2nd rows.
What do you need the room for? If you will frequently need to haul a lot of cargo while seating more than 4 people, or if you will frequently be transporting more than 4 adults, then the Odyssey will most likely suit your needs better.
If you will be hauling children around, then the difference shouldn't matter as much.
The MPV has a lot of room compared to a car or an SUV, but not as much as the ODY. It is comparable to the Sienna, however.
I my estimation the front seats in the MPV offer more room, especially the front passenger seat, because the ODY has a very deep glove box which prevents the passengers with long legs from stretching out. The 2nd row of the Odyssey has more room than the MPV, but the MPV is still respectable. The 3rd row of the MPV is similar to that in the rear of a compact car, while the third row in the ODY is spacious by comparison.
The MPV has slightly better handling, and much easier to park and garage.
You will probably really need to drive both, and see how they suit your needs.
Reliability:
Consumer Reports ranks Sienna 1st, MPV 2nd, and Ody third. Recently there has been an issue with the transmission on the Odyssey, but Honda extended the warranty to cover this.
Also found out that my ordered MPV won't be in for another 8-10 weeks. Seems orders go into Mazda/Japan on the 15th of each month. I ordered mine on Oct.20th and just missed that month's ordering. Oh well, it will miss a chunk of our messy winters in MN.
tcc...You will get whatever incentive that is offered when you take delivery. I'm sure it will be pretty good. Maybe even better than today, you never know.
Thanks, TCC
So basically, not much error.
Also, the tire I am using, the Dunlop SP5000 comes with a symetrical tread pattern in a 60 series tire. The asymetical pattern comes in 55 and lower series tires.
Finally, that is the same size I'm using on the Buick, so if they didn't work out on the minivan, I could have them mounted on the Buick.
I've had them on over a year, about 14K miles total, and no problems with rubbing.
They are getting close to half gone. So this will be the last winter for them. Next fall, the van will get some new shoes.
I got about 30K on a set of the SP5000's on the Buick, and will probably get ~25K on this set.
I'll probably try to find something with a slightly longer tirewear, but I don't really want rocks that go 80K miles.
Probably something like the Dunlop A2
TB
Compared to the Odyssey, the MPV drove more like a car, though I did prefer the low end torque of the Odyssey's 3.5. Its smaller size makes it a joy to bop around town in, and it's really noticable in parking lots! The Odyssey felt a bit like I was pulling in with an 18 wheeler!
I liked the extra room in the Odyssey, but with just my wife and 2 daughters being the main passengers, I don't think space will be a problem even in the MPV. And I certainly can't justify paying the extra 3-5 grand for the Honda. It's nice, but it ain't that nice.
It doesn't take much looking to realize the MPV is a well thought out, carefully designed vehicle in every aspect. Under the hood, the dash (except for the shift lever), the entire interior, the exterior, every part of this vehicle was well planned and exicuted.
A couple of questions concerning the $1500 cash back. How long is this incentive going on, and can it be applied to a lease?
With the 0% for 48 months to own the van, leasing may not make so much sense. do your homework here.
Do it-- you know you want to.
RJ
The Caravan we had was leased to a depreciation of around $14,000 and it is actually worth around $11,500 or so . . . but that is not my problem. DC wrote up the contract for that residual at the end of the term and they have to eat the difference . . . not me. If the vehicle was worth more than $14k we would have tried to sell it ourselves and pocket the difference between the selling price and what we would have owed to buy the vehicle at end of lease. As it is, we just need to turn it in and walk away.
Throttle body build-up is a common problem for many vehicles. I consider its cleaning to be a part of routine maintenance. But it's nice to know that Mazda covered it under warranty, as I've been paying $13.22 to have it done every 3years/30K miles (whichever comes first).
The thing that might save you is if you can convince Chrysler financial to sell it to you for even less than your residual.
With the used car market the way it is, they really don't want your car either. So if you can get them to buy off at a figure closer to what they would get by sending it to an auction, you can take some or maybe even all of the sting out of your situation.
Your dealer probably won't help here, but the people who are going to get stuck with your car will probably wheel and deal a bit.
It costs them money just to take it to the auction. If you can offer them that money to make the car go away and it costs you less than the $1K-1.5K then everyone wins.
So yeah, if you can find someone to buy it at $6K-$7K in a private party deal and talk Chrysler finance down to a similar figure, then you may be able to take some of the sting out of the deal.
Perhaps if you bring them a buyer, then the new owner will pay the sales tax and not you.
However, that last part is really wishful thinking, but you never know until you ask.
TB
The Hakkas 'rule,' imho. Now that we have snow, it's amazing how much better they are than (ahem) other brands. The MPV seems to be well balanced, and already handles well though.
/j
Snow? It was 71 here yesterday and today - soccer games all over the place.
Er...ah ..content....So, ah..."Red" if fine. Turned 36K today - no complaints.
(Hey, I'm scrambling here)
On a more positive note, the MPV has been great for picking up Christmas goodies. Lots of room inside. Too much, maybe.
-Dave
Sylvia "Ask the Town Hall Hosts" Dec 4, 2002 12:59pm
Steve, Host
Remember, change is good; otherwise you'd have to drive MPV's with rear doors instead of sliders and no magic seats :-)
Steve, Host
Sylvia "Ask the Town Hall Hosts" Dec 4, 2002 12:59pm
In any event, Merry Christmas!
Steve, Host
Problem: About every other day, seemingly at random, when we go to close the right power side door (push the button either on the dash or at the door) it will close, act as if it's settling into the door sill, beep, and the reopen on its own. I've cleaned the steel/copper contacts between the door and the sill regularly and this continues to happen. The problem continues for between 4 tries and 15 minutes each time, adding to a high level of frustration.
Today, for the first time, it happened with the left side door.
Possible solution: We have no idea. I've taken the van to the dealer and they cannot replicate the problem. They claim they have never seen this happen and don't know what to suggest.
Question: Has this happened to anyone else???? Is anyone aware if this is a known-issue or if there is any possible fixes??
Help/direction would be appreciated. Thanks!
Yes, change is good. But just because something changed doesn't mean it's good.
In fact, if asked for my feedback as a beta tester, I'd say make the font the regular size, and remove the fixed-width page. Everything else is good.
Merry Christmas all!
-Dave
I would agree on the font size issue, but more importantly, the search feature actually worked!!
tops of the wires, but it looks like the intake manifold will have to come
off to get the wires off and plugs in and out. Any advice will be greatly
appreciated.
Also has anyone found a good shop manual for the 2000 MPV?
Does anyone know if the nicer 9-speaker system is available on LX?
Mazda's official site says it's only available on ES. However, Edmunds listed it under "All-sport Package" as one option. I couldn't find a single LX with this option in my local dealer's lot (among ~15 LX's). My local dealer was not able to find this option in his book either. Can someone please help me on this?
Many thanks.