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Never once, in seven years have I had a customer want me to go over every little box on the checklist. Like I said, it's pretty dull, boring and useless stuff.
I always ask if they have any questions at all and ask them to be sure to call me later if something comes to their mind.
Then, after two or three days I'll call and make sure they are completely happy.
If you REALLY want to see one of these checklists, I'm sure your dealer will be happy to show you one.
The AC is a 30A circuit, which causes a drain at startup. The power windows behave the same way, as with all high amp systems.
Is the destination fee included in the invoice price?
What do you all think of this quote (SF Bay Area):
We will offer you a 2002 Honda Civic EX 4dr sedan with automatic
transmission in any color you desire for $15,926. This is valid
through
6/23 and is plus tax, destination, dmv, doc and tire fee. Our price
includes a full tank of gas, and as our gift to you, door edge guards
and
wheel well moldings (a $258 value) to help protect your vehicle against
damage.
Thanks,
Tam
I have no idea why the destination fee is separate...
the Tire fee is a California thing ($1/new tire) to help pay for dealing w/ old tires that pile up at the dump, etc.
My questions are:
1) Does the wind deflector really work? I'm not sure how I like the looks of it on the car itself but when I have my sunroof open, it does get loud at higher speeds.
2) Was the leather wrap easy to install?
3) Same for the liner?
4) Is the cargo net a pain to use?
5) Should I have all of these installed by the dealer? Should I purchase through the dealer or online?
On a different note, I went to pick up my car from Rosenthal Honda (oil change) and the man that brought my car around had either just spit his gum out or someone else had just done it. Either way, I missed seeing it and it ended up on the bottom of my shoe which of course, ended up on my carpet floor mats...grrr.... should I insist that Rosenthal replace the mat? I can't get it out, I tried. It's dried now but looks bad.
Thanks,
Carrie
Good luck
1. Sunroof wind deflector. I have the same question.
2. Learther steering wheel wrap. It's very easy to install. All you need just a pair of needle nose pliers and a pair of leather gloves. I installed it on my 01 Odyssey twice, I installed 1st time I didn't pull it tight so had to undo then redo again. It took me about 1 1/2 hours. keep in mind when you thread it thru the holes you have to pull it tight.
3. Cargo tray is just drop in. I bought it from hondaparts4you.com it's cheapest place for cargo tray. I bought 1 for my Odyssey and 1 for my Civic.
4. Cargo net. I didn't buy one for Civic but my odyssey came with one. Like you said it's kinda pain to use it. Since its right at the end of the trunk, Everytime you need to load stuffs in the trunk you either have to remove the net or go over it. Don't recommend.
5. Don't pay Dealer to install them. You could install it yourself. Handa accessories give you good instruction for Sunroof wind deflector. Let's say, once you bought the sunroof visor and decide its too much for you to install it yourself. You could always take it to dealer and ask them to install it for you. When you go to dealer, service department typical has to buy parts from Parts department. This case you just ask service dept to install for you. No parts department invovled.
These are just my 2 cents,
Bjk
I spoke to my brother about the wind deflector and he swears it lowers wind noise significantly. So I think I will get that one along with the leather steering wheel wrap.
I spoke ot Rosenthal and they will not replace or clean my floor mat because it can't be proven that a Rosenthal employee spit the gum out and not a customer. I tried ice and that didn't work. It's dried now and there's nothing I can do to fix it at this point...That'll teach me to watch where I'm walking and not ogle at my Civic, lol.
I am going to avoid the trunk net but the trunk liner is a coin toss for right now.
Carrie
You are welcome. Sorry to hear about your misfortune gum problem on your carpet. You could get rubber all weather mats to cover it.
I strong suggest trunk tray. I just read a post from Ody's board that someone's mom forgot to close gasoline can tightly so some gasoline was spilled in the trunk. Kinda messy smell and pain on the your know what to clean it.
One day my daughter took her grandmom to supermarket grocery shopping and she refused to put shopping bag with meat products in her trunk, she was scared the blood/water will drain out from the shopping bag and run all over her brandnew Civic trunk. Since she has trunk tray now she feels much relax about grocery shopping.
As my experience, I took my old beagle to vet one day to get some shots. I put her in my Ody trunk and when I got home guess what I found. She did her "things" in there. I was soo happy I had trunk tray. All I did was took it out and rinse it with garden hose, then put it back. It save my day.
Regards,
Ben
Thanks again!
Carrie
I am thinking to get sunroof wind deflector and leather steering wheel cover. I showed her wheelskin leather steering cover they are selling aftermarket with two tone one. I like two tone but my daughter likes Honda original black one. So we will see maybe I will get them after summer when she goes to college. hehehehe.
My daughter likes her new Civic very much. She was very happy until her best friend got a brand spanking new Lexus IS 300 loaded with leather, CD changer,... a few weeks ago. It took me a while but I was finally able to convince her that Civic EXis a bette car than IS 300 for her age. Insurance is cheaper, cheaper to maintain, uses less gas and ...... since she has to pay for her gas and stuffs now. LOL.
Now the trouble is I don't see her that often any more since school is over. She is still in bed when I go to work and she goes out to hang with her friends in the aftrenoon till ..... I probably need to put a lojack on her car so I know where she goes now. LOL
Ben
Thats great she still likes it! A Honda Civic EX Sedan is absolutely more appropriate for a teenager or young adult. Hands down, have to agree!
Carrie
Carrie
Just curious but why are you selling your car? I have the exact same one...
~Carrie
Do a private sale for the best bang (with its associated probs).
Thanks again,
Carrie
My rule of thumb is to take the current invoice for a 2002 Civic EX [about $16.7k] and subtract current dealer incentives, holdback, and about 10-15 cents a mile, assuming otherwise perfect condition. That results in a figure very close to the lower of the range you are quoting.
And then remember this: "value" is just a word that describes what a willing buyer and willing seller have decided to agree on at any moment in time. Take the car to a few dealers, offer it for sale, and you will have your answer. About 50% of the time, I don't "trade" cars in the traditional sense when I buy, but sell it either on the private market or by shopping it to new car dealers of the make I'm selling. This always results in a fair price, even if it isn't as high as you were hoping.
You are right. I think "1" is Ohio, "2" is Canada, "J" is Japan and "S" is England I am guessing this one now.
My 01 Odyssey was assembled in Canada it starts with 2H. 02 Civic was assembled in Japan it starts with JH. Your 02 Civic is asembled in Ohio it starts with 1HG, and I remembered (if my memory serves me correctly, you know due to old ages :-) ) I saw a black Civic Si which was assembled in England starts with S 2 months ago. I just checked my dealer's inventory all their Civic Si start with S. So my guess "S" is from England. Final Answer.
Have a good day,
Ben
~Carrie
First, you don't break this tie based on long-term ownership considerations. If you are planning on keeping a car a long time, then neither of these cars has a big advantage either in reliability or long term ownership costs. The Civic is cheaper to own for about the first 5 years because of resale value - after that, it doesn't matter much.
Second, the chief differences are the classic Honda vs Toyota points: the Civic handles a little better, but you have to step up to an EX to get such things as a height adjust on the driver's seat and other small niceties. The Corolla has a little more power, has a better highway ride, and is a bit more refined in most respects. It also now has a measurably larger trunk, and a bit more useable room in the back seat.
Right now, the economics probably favor the Civic, if all other things are equal: they are being heavily discounted in all markets, and as you have noted, are thick as thieves on the lots. On the other hand, we broke the tie by buying an '03 Corolla LE automatic with cruise control as the only option, and paid $15.6k in Sacramento CA back in March. After 3000 miles, I am even more convinced we did the right thing FOR WHAT WE WANTED, which was a little softer ride and a little more refinement over what I felt in the Civics we drove.
In the past 3 years, I've also recommended and helped buy Civics for friends and family, so I really do regard myself as pretty neutral. It really depends much more on what you currently value most in the driving experience, than any advantage either car has for the long haul. It's hard to make a mistake here, at least now that Toyota has so dramatically remade the current gen Corolla.
Buy the Civic because it's what you prefer, or because it's easier to get - but not because it will give you fewer problems, because my experience just doesn't see those kinds of differences.
regards,
bjk
has a timing chain - not a belt
has a better powertrain warranty (at least the '01's did)
costs less
looks like a more expensive car (a baby Lexus)
having said that - get the Civic if you can't or don't want to wait for the Corolla - I drove one for a long time (14 1/2 yrs) so I having nothing bad to say about them - except to say that I think Toyota makes a better automatic tranny.
1. 02 Civic timing belt needs to replace @ 110,000 miles or 7 years.
2. You are right. Honda warranty for powertrain is 3 years 36,000 miles Toyota is 5 years 60,000 miles.
3. Corolla costs less.- Not right now, maybe one year from now. We bought our 02 Civic Ex April $16,400 out of the door. One of our friend bought her 03 Corolla LE this month (no sunroof) $18,000 not sure she has ABS or not.
4. Corolla looks like a more expensive car (a baby Lexus) IMHO Corolla is mimicking VW Jetta.- Baby lexus is IS300. Also if you scroll the posts back maybe 1 month you can read discussions that Honda is selling US Civic EX model in Canada as Acura EL. (Entry Level Luxury Car). So Civic EX "is" Entry Level Luxury Car already.
These are just my two cents. Have a nice day,
bjk
Some dealers are offering Civic EX automatics for $16-16.5k right now, because of dealer incentives and a general glut of cars on the lots. But, like politics, all pricing is local...
I wonder if I got a lemon. I bought the car in Jan. 2002. Since then it has been in for repairs in this order:
1) Right rear passenger door broke. Was fixed in a week.
2) Right rear passenger seat belt broke. Was fixed in a week.
3) Steering wheel squeaks when turned. They could not find the problem therefore, can not fix it.
4) The sunroof rattles. An annoyance but not a mechanical failure...
5) My Civic is yet again in the shop because the a/c has pretty much stopped working all together. It blows out lukewarm/cool air but not cold air. Rosenthal updated me this morning, that there is a problem, they just can't find it to fix it.
That's 5 problems in 6-7 months. While non except the steering wheel squeak and sunroof rattle are repeat problems, I'm surprised that I've had problems within the first months of ownership.
Family members suggest I start acting on VA's lemon law but I feel that's too hasty. However if I DID get a lemon, I'd hate to know what I'll be paying out of pocket in 2 1/2 years.
Any advice?
Thanks,
Carrie
Wow I am very sorry to hear you have all those problems with your Civic. I would document all your trouble, put a spread sheet out the time and date, how long does it take to fix or not fixing it. Your family is right, start acting on VA lemon law, each state is different. I would send a copy of the problem to Honda see if they will buy it back or change another Civic for you. Keep in mind, "squeaky wheel gets the oil". Did you get a survey phone call from Honda right after you bought your car? Maybe you should call Honda and tell them you will change your survey from Very satisfies customer to very pissed off customer now.
Make sure you got everything taken care before your 12 months/12,00 miles bumper to bumper warranty.
regards,
ben
PS: If Honda is willing to give you a new Civic, try to get one start with a "JH".
That Jetta had been in 9 (!) times in one year according to the service records at Stohlman VW. If you found that out and had the opportunity to take the car back, wouldn't you? And all of the problems were electrical and window related.
I spoke to my attorney and was told to write a very nice letter to Honda directly through their website. He's handled a few lemon cases and said that the cordial approach along with avoiding the dealer altogether, is the best approach. So I will gather my receipts and e-mail them when I get home from work.
I really love my Civic so I HOPE this is the last of my problems. Rosenthal called and the car is ready. I was told that they did not fix a part but if it doesn't get cold, I am suppose to close all of the vents, let the engine cool off for a few minutes then reopen the vents and make sure the circulation button is pressed. *sigh*
Overall I adore my Civic and still hope to get that 100,00 miles out of it...
~Carrie
I asked my daughter regarding her A/C. We are here 90-100 F in sunny California. She told me it works fine at the beginning it's not cold but after a while it gets cold. Keep in mind I am asking a 17 years old and this is her first car. I think your dealer kinda making an excuse to get an easy way out of a problem they have no idea how to fix it yet.
Owner's manual will tell you to press in re-circulation button first till it is cold then then press the exchange air button to have fresh air comes in. My Ody EX with full auto air. It will turn on re-circulation button by itself when it needs to cool down fast then switch to ambient fresh air.
My question to the dealer is how are you supposed to open the vents on passenger side if you are driving by yourself? With a 10 feet pole? LOL. I just think a few things to ask "Have they checked HCFC-134A pressure inside your A/C unit or not? How about A/C relay function does it kick in ok? . Maybe you should ask them " If they put a thermometer at the vent, what's the specific temperature supposed to be" There is another possibility maybe A/C fan belt is loose so compressor doesn't push hard enough?
Anyway good luck, it's my lunch time now.
bjk
I'm way, way, way off of my turf here, so all I can suggest is to go further afield [Philly, DC, upstate, Jersey, Wilmington?] if you get seriously interested in the Corolla as opposed to the Civic.
Of course, a heavily discounted EX Civic is a great car in this class...we didn't have the need to make the choice based solely on availability, so for the reasons already on the table, we bought the Toyota [which was not sitting on the lot, by the way - I asked one of the local dealer's Internet guy to get me a car out of their allocation - it took about 3 weeks from the time we did the deal over the telephone until the car arrived from NUMMI].
LEs are still not common on dealer lots, but they are out there in CA. On the other hand, urban Honda dealers are choking on their inventory, so almost anything goes when it comes to price.