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$16,000 x 48%= $7,680. vs. Civic $11,150.
Civic costs more initially but total deal Civic comes up better. According to the past history, used Civic is much easier to sell than used Hyundai.
It's your car you will decide what to drive.
I can get the hyundai for $14,000 even with ABS (below invoice) and the Civic EX for $16200. That's the lowest any Honda dealer in the tristate area will sell at so far. So we're talking 2Grand. I checked out the Civic last night and the only thing holding me back is the design. It seems to be put together as the designers wanted but I have some reservations. First, the door handle pulls inside the vehicle can be easily twisted.... on every one I tried... in other words, when you pull on the door from inside, the whole panel moves with it! The rear pulls were worse. It scares me and makes me wonder what things will be like in 2 years. I'm a freak for perfection and demand it in my cars. This should be an easy choice! I'm a Honda guy. I'm supposed to just buy the Civic and that's it! But that damn Hyundai is put together so well and is so much less that it keeps pulling me away. The only other thing is that I really enjoy my sunroof and MUST have ABS and the Elantra GLS doesn't offer BOTH... it's one or the other. However, I could spend $1500 more and get the hatchback but now I'm spending the same as the Civic and there is no special financing. I'll have to do some hard thinking today.
The 1# reason: 5 star crash test rating, front and side. You can NOT beat that. For me, it came down to safety over cost. I could get the ABS on the EX plus side airbags with the "goodies" (sunroof, cd player) standard.
2: Reliability. Yes, Hyundai may come with a 10yr/100,000 mile warranty but there's a reason why; you're going to need it. And I prefer to keep my car OUT of the service department for me to drive
I'm not sure what you mean about the twisty door handles. Mine are solidly built. It could have been the car (a demo car?) that was the problem. I would carefuly inspect the Civic you are actually going to drive off the lot with. The dealer is suppose to run down a list of everything with you and I made sure there wasn't a single defect (there wasn't
YOU are paying for this car and if you want both ABS and a sunroof, why not get the car that has better reliability and perfect crash test ratings?
Best of luck and PLEASE keep us posted as to what you choose!
~Carrie
You say you keep your cars at some 2yrs interval, and the reason a loan beyond 48mos is? I won't even mention the 1-2yr depreciation hit on a purchase, that condition is a good candidate for a lease instead. What's that - trading at its highest depreciation rate and with money owed?
If the consumption term is 2yrs, go with the resale value dynamics (if ABS/Crash-rating isn't the minimum).
I mean...WHY? Something smells pretty funny here.
And, the resale values on used Hyundais are horrible. They don't bring anywhere near what the books say. Even then, they are nearly impossible to sell. Just no market for them.
This could someday change I suppose...
Yes Civic EX Auto 4 Dr $1,700 below the invoice. It may smell pretty funny to you if you sell Honda. I don't. We bought our 02 in April paid $14,988 also got special Honda rate 3 years for 2.9% $1,700 below the invoice from Colonial Honda. Brand spanking new and it was assembled in Japan too. I also sent another girl to different Honda dealer (Woodland Hill Honda) in So Calif she paid the same price last month and she even got mud guard, floormats and door edge guard free. We only got mud guard in our price. If you take a look at the weekend LA Times Auto section, you could see thoses price all over here. Not just 1 only. Riverside (Riverside, Ca) Honda put $14,988 price all the time.
You tell me what's funny about this picture. They are making too much money out of each Odyssey and Pilot they sell. They try to move as many Accord and Civic as possile to get more Odyssey and Pilot in. If these price are lower than the price you are getting from Honda, maybe you can cars from them instead of from Honda Factory. Since you sell Honda, you know better about Honda's quota than me!
bjk
So Cal is car country (I used to live in Buena Park, Orange County).
$1700 below is no big deal (especially on other cars/makes).
Anyway, I'm missing the point, the car does not have a owners manual. What is the correct weight oil for this model? Also what weight is used in the manaul transmission?
Many thanks for the help,
ruppr
I'm having a problem with my brakes and want all of your expert advice. I recently went to the dealership because they were making a loud clunk noise when I used the brakes once in a while. He said Honda's brakes now just float so they'll do that. Well, he put some grease by the caliper so damper the noise and it worked! Now though, when I come to a slow stop, it feels like a rotar is warped (but it's not) because I feel the car jerking slightly when I stop. I thought some grease just got on the rotar and it was slipping past the pad but I took all the wheels off and saw no grease and even wiped them down!
Any thoughts on why this may be happening and if it's bad for the brakes or the car in the long run? Thanks so much!!
It's not a trick if you can see it (it's all in the contract).
By the way...
"Milage says 97,000 but since the speedometer turns when being towed"
On a 5-speed in neutral?
Unfortunately local dealer never puts low price on website. Honda World and a few others have $15,388 for 02 CIvic EX Auto.
Why don't you go to your local Library and check out weekend LA Times Auto section for the last couple months. You could see the low price. I don't know what is suspecious. I did get special promotion rate 3 years for 2.9 % from Honda but not available anymore.
Carsdirect and Edmunds,,, prices are all high. Or else they will drive dealer out of business. You could go to Edmunds ownership section, they provide maintenance estimate. According to Edmunds I am supposed to pay $135.55 for 15k miles service in zip 91006 for my 01 Honda Ody EX. Guess how much I paid last Sat at my local Sierra Honda. $79.35.
When I was looking to buy 01 EX last July Sierra Honda price was much higher than other dealer I found. We didn't get our 02 Honda Civic from them cause the price, but I like their service.
If you go to odyclub website and you could find a girl, I am not going to post her name here. But she did get a ruby red Civic from Woodland Hill Honda based on LA Times ad I told her. Darn I sound like LA Times Sales now.
Ok just checked local dealer cash incentive for Civc is 250. Accord has $1250 no wonder Accord has better discount than Civc in So Cal.
Anyway got to get back to work now.
bjk
again, this may be a dumb question...when do they stop making 2002s and start bringing in 2003s? i imagine it'll be soon?
Are they making any money? Hell, I don't know, and don't plan to lose much sleep over it. But clearly this is not a widespread phenomenon around the rest of the country.
There's just a lot of competition for car dollars around these parts, in a market that is being propped up strictly by pricing, not intrinsic demand.
I know it's a miserable marketplace down there.
They have other ways of making money. Underallowing on trades, extra fees etc.
Too bad...so much for value selling!
I'm having a problem with my brakes and want all of your expert advice. I recently went to the dealership because they were making a loud clunk noise when I used the brakes once in a while. He said Honda's brakes now just float so they'll do that. Well, he put some grease by the caliper so damper the noise and it worked! Now though, when I come to a slow stop, it feels like a rotar is warped (but it's not) because I feel the car jerking slightly when I stop. I thought some grease just got on the rotar and it was slipping past the pad but I took all the wheels off and saw no grease and even wiped them down!
Any thoughts on why this may be happening and if it's bad for the brakes or the car in the long run? Thanks so much!!
I need some expert advise. Just purchased used 99 Civic with 44,000 miles. Car is immaculate. Noticed vibration which appears to come from front end. Had the tires balanced and did not cure the problem. Vibration is strongest at 50 MPH and then goes away at 55. Gear selection D4 or D3 (different RPM's) do not change severity of vibration. Any ideas?
It's mid-August, so would and offer from me of $1500 below invoice be out of line? Also, is this $460 destination charge negotiable?
Advice is appreciated.
I am in Southern NJ, near philly and in May I bought (leased) a 2002 Civic EX Sedan auto w/side airbags for my wife for $300 under invoice no haggle upfront pricing from Honda of Turnersville, used to be Classic Honda. For the Month of August their no haggle price for Civic 4-door is $500 under invoice or special finance. You have to call and speak to Jennifer Bowers at 1-888-252-7742- she handles Internet Sales, in order to get this price. Feel free to mention my name as a former customer- since they have a referral program and I think they give $50 to former customers who refer people.
After speaking to Jennifer, we spoke on the phone with the direct Honda internet saleswoman, Christine. I did everything over the phone and just went in signed the papers and left with the car when it was in. I was not there longer than 40 mins. Great experience.
Gregg Perr
I tried bringing the family's Accord to the dealer where I bought my Civic for the ignition recall, and they wouldn't do it ("didn't buy it from us, we only have parts for our customers"). Had to go to the original Accord dealer to get it fixed, which is a few miles further.
When the guy told me that his dealership wasn't going to accept the Accord because it wasn't bought there, I nearly laughed at the ludacrisy...I bring my Civic to that dealership for routine oil changes and even recommended them to some of my friends. It's obvious they don't value customer loyalty.
But it's ok, when I get my recall letter for the Civic, I'll bring it there. And if they find another problem to deny me service, I'm definitely contacting a Case Manager.
One interesting thing about dealers... there seems to be a lot of variety in service departments, but that probably goes without saying. When I first bought my Civic, the alignment was a little off, and I took it to two or three dealerships who told me either it was normal, or they couldn't do anything about it. To which I said, fine, and left, rather than argue about it... I eventually found a dealer that corrected the problem, no questions asked, and I have since continued to use them for all of my scheduled maintenance... so it pays to find a reliable service department early on! (Remind me of this again if my transmission ever falls out and they give me the party line.
As for the sale tax, all dealers in CA will tax you based on the tax rate in your CA county, not the tax rate in the dealer's county. But I don't know the rule if you live out of CA.
There are some discussions in Accord thread about buying cars imported from Canada. It's said the price in Canada is 20-25% cheaper. Has anyone bought car in Canada and then drove/ship back to the US?
IMHO no Accord, Civic or even Odyssey is worth the trouble to go to Canada to purchase it. You have to deal with warranty issue. Odometer KM vs Mile and whole bunch of issues. You could find it on Odyssey threads there are lots of discussion there.
I've been hearing all about the 2003 Civic Hybrid, but will there be a regular 2003 Civic sedan? Do models get updated every year or do they just become "2003" cars instead of "2002". What is the effect of this transition on pricing/availability of both the older and the newer models?
I hope my questions make sense...I basically want to know whether, if I am thinking about buying a civic sedan in september, there will be a scarcity of 2002s (e.g. no silvers) at the low prices out now, but new 2003s coming in that are selling at MSRP?
Thanks
But to answer your question - there has been no news about Honda giving the Civic any major upgrades. The 2003 Civics should be no more expensive than the 2002 Civics - Honda is simply having its "clearance sale" on 2002 models to make room for 2003 cars coming into the dealers' lots, not because the 2003 cars will be significantly different.
And no, the early arrival of the '03 Hybrid has nothing whatever to do with the availability or anything else about the '03 conventionally powered car - model years can be assigned by the manufacturer to accomplish any marketing objective they want. The only "rule" is that to be called, for example, an '03, the car cannot go on sale any earlier than Jan of '02. Nissan introduced the Infiniti G35 as an '03 in March. We bought our '03 Corolla in March...but for carryover designs, the usual transition is August-October.
The EX is supposed to be quicker, but with 2 adults and three kids aboard and the A/C running it seemed very slow to me (much slower than my Integra, and even a little slower than my 1990 Corolla wagon). I don't buy cars for racing, and am considering a Jetta diesel, so acceleration is not a huge issue for me, but I was nonetheless stunned.
I think an LX would be a lot better, with its torque coming at a much lower rpm. The LX also has more headroom, and turns at a much more sane speed on the highway (the EX is at 3,000 rpm @ 60 mph - just can't see setting the cruise with the tach over 4,000). Only problem is that the LX has no ABS so it is out of the picture.
I also sat in an Accord (did not drive) and was suprised that the Civic had much more rear head room (almost enough vs. I had to turn my head sideways and my ear almost touched the roof in the Accord - both with sunroofs).
Maybe the new Accord will fill the bill with mpg closer to the civic, and more headroom (esp since the non sunroof LX has ABS), although I am concerned that it lost some legroom from the previous generation.