Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • fgumpfgump Member Posts: 2
    Hi all,

    I bought a certified pre-owned passat GLS recently (38K miles).I have noticed that a lot of times while driving on snow covered roads,the car goes out of control and starts skidding,it has happened a couple of times and I have avoided an accident till now.The brakes just don't seem to have any effect when it skids.I have to turn the steering vegorously and take it off the road.Has anyone else experinced this problem and if yes then is there any remedy for this?Should I keep the ASR on?Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
  • jtrujillo86jtrujillo86 Member Posts: 300
    That's what the ASR is there for...Anti Slip Regulation. I would definitely keep it on in the snow to keep the wheels from spinning excessively, which will help keep the vehicle in control.

    Jeremy
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Leave the ASR on (no "ASR" light on the instrument cluster - the default position when starting the car), try developing a lighter touch on the gas pedal, and read these:

    http://www.aaamidatlantic.com/automotive/snow/frontskids.asp

    http://www.aaamidatlantic.com/automotive/snow/braking.asp

    Consider upgrading your tires to dedicated snow tires.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Does your VW have ABS, ABS+brake assist and/or ESP.

    Keep the ASR "on" that's for sure. If your VW does not have ABS, suggest you get winter tires and summer tires and use them based on your location.
  • fgumpfgump Member Posts: 2
    thanks guys for the inputs..i do have ASR on (i.e. no "ASR" light in the instrument cluster)..also let me add here,that all the isntances that I have observed when skiddig happens have been when i was trying to stop at a signal and the car was real slow (less than 5 mph) and it does not happen while regular driving (i.e. at normal speeds).So,can this be due to the fact that the tires are not good for snow (they look like pretty new to me,probably the dealer changed them before i bought the car).Is it possible that my passat is rear wheel drive,actually i think it is front wheel drive (thats what the dealer said,but i do not have the manual so i am unable to double check,the dealer said that I should get the manual in the mail straight from VW pretty soon)?Does passsat GLX come as a rear wheel drive at all?

    thanks again
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Uhhh, no, the Passat is not a rear wheel drive car. Never was in the past, either. Could be all wheel drive, though. Does it say "4motion" on the trunk?
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    It is really confusing to me to see how some drivers are not in tune with what features their car's have (ie: FWD vs. RWD). I know I am not the typical car owner, but I actually read my owners manual to see what features my VW has. I believe the only rear wheel drive VW might be the Phaeton. Though I might be wrong.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    fgump says he doesn't have the owner's manual yet (I'm betting he never gets one, either). So it sounds like this is a used car.

    But something as basic as FWD or RWD, well, I'm in agreement with you...
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    . . .pertaining to your VW's electronics still stands: do you have ABS, ABS+brake assist and/or ESP?

    And, does this particular car have the 4Motion option (which would be demarcated with a badge on the trunk lid).

    Phaetons, btw are all wheel drive as are Passat W8's and the RS 32.

    Obviously, hopefully anyway, Touareg's too are all wheel drive and depending on what country you are in VW does offer several of its models with AWD -- here in the US as noted above and as an option, the Passat (non-W8) models (depending on the year, of course) were also offered with 4Motion (All Wheel Drive).

    It is virtually, if not literally true, that for years VW's and Audis have fundamentally been either Front Wheel Drive or All Wheel Drive -- even the current generation Beetles are Front Wheel Drive (but as you may recall, the original Beetles were rear engined, Rear Wheel Drive.)

    I know of no regular production VW Group product available in North America that is exclusively Rear Wheel Drive, FYI.

    ABS for VW/Audi automobiles has, in some form or another been available since calendar year 1986 -- I believe the first US bound car to have ABS from VW/Audi were 1987 models. Other markets may have enjoyed ABS in this family of cars in 1986 (perhaps in Germany even earlier).

    In Europe, VW and Audi both appear to offer (either standard or low cost option) the fantastic technolgies lumped under the TLA of ESP. The current version of ESP (offered on Audis, Mercedes and VW's and probably other brands I am not aware of or that are not imported to NA) by Bosch bundles Anti-Lock Brakes (ABS), Brake Assist (braking force determined by the speed that the driver depresses the brake pedal, not necessarily the force applied) and ESP electronic stability program which can selectively apply one or multiple brakes (as if the driver had 4 brake pedals and four legs) as needed up to 18 times per second in order to compensate for the effects of oversteer and understeer. ESP can also cut engine power when it evaluates the position of the steering wheel, braking force, difference in wheel speed vs road speed and effectively provide "yaw" control.

    So, the question still remains, fgump: does your particular car have any of these vital technologies?
  • sadatxsadatx Member Posts: 70
    Hi,

    I've noticed that the wind noise, when driving in the 60-80mph range, is quite excessive and annoying. Has anyone come across this problem before? I have my 5k service coming up shortly and would like to give the tech some hints, just in case he states, 'can't reproduce it.'

    It's a 2k3 Passat GLX 4motion. Any input would be great.

    Thanks!
  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    I'm having a problem with my Passat,and I thought some here might have an oponion. I bought a 2001Passat new;it's now 2yr 10mo old with 20,000 miles on it. It's been a great car,but Sunday the air bag warning light came on...it's due to go in to the shop on
    thursday for a yearly state inspection. I feel that VW should be paying for the air bag repair. This just seems too critical a system to only get 20,000 miles out of it;of course,it has passed its two year warranty.
    I thoughty I should contact the Department of Transportation to see if others have had this problem.
    Am I being unreasonable to want VW to pay for this repair?
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Please read your warranty booklet that came with your car. I believe airbag issues are covered under a seperate warranty.
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  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    I wish I could,but I've misplaced it.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    They should be able to explain the warranty on the airbags.
  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    I haven't been able to get through to them for the past two days..they haven't returned my e-mail either...
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    And this is the same company that sells a $95,000 Sedan.........go figure!!!
  • jlpvwjlpvw Member Posts: 1
    MERCKX - I had a similar problem with my 2001.5 passat. My airbag warning light went on right after I reached 24K miles, The dealership replaced it under a special warranty exemption they can choose to honor in situtation such as this.
  • cavebikerscavebikers Member Posts: 3
    I have owned Passats since '91. The cars with wide tires mounted, such as the 215/50's will have bad traction in snow. Putting snow tires on the car such as a 195/65 will transform it into a good winter driver on snow. You will not believe the improved traction until you experience it. the GLX comes equipped with the wide tires. It pays to get a set of cheap wheels to mount the snows, rather than having the tires changed each year.
  • alyssazmomalyssazmom Member Posts: 142
    I am an avid reader of the Edmunds Passat boards and I have to say that I now LOVE my 2003 VW GLS 1.8T AT Passat! Candy White, beige leather, coldweather package, homelink (which I will start using next month with my new home), and all of the goodies that I had wanted! I do wish that I had power seats but I don't miss them either.

    I originally had buyers remorse and wanted to gte4 rid of my Passat ASAP after I bought it May 9th, 2003. However being upside down I couldn't trade it in and now am *so glad* that I couldn't!

    I love my 1.8T engine (although my husband still wishes I had bought the V6), the comfort, styling, safety and amazing drive of my Passat! I'm now hooked on German cars and drool over the Audi's :)

    I wanted the Blue Silver (still love that color) but none were to be found in my area so my local dealer (Stohlman VW in Tyson's Corner, Va) had the Candy White with Beige Leather interior with all of the options I wanted and for invoice! VW didn't try to sell me undercoating, scotch guarding or any of that other stuff the way Honda had on my former Civic.

    My only problems to date (currently at 6500 miles) are that once my moonroof wouldn't close from the vent mode but the next day miraculously did! So knock on wood so far so good! My Civic had 11 problems the first 4 months of ownership whereas my VW hasn't had any so far (the moonroom corrected itself).

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Passat (although I would hold out for the Blue Silver!) and defnitely recommend them to friends and family!!

    Carrie
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Hi Carrie - I remember your issues and I'm really glad to hear that you are so happy with your car now. :)
  • automan227automan227 Member Posts: 118
    My son has been driving our '01 V70 T5 Wagon since he got his license back in August, and it is going back in less then a month.

    I was driving by our VW dealer, and they had on the lot the following:

    2001 Passat GLX 4Motion Sedan (old body style)
    All Options including CD Changer
    55,267 Miles
    VW Certified

    Car drove beautifully, but the only thing that bothered me was the high miles. However, bearing in mind that it had a warranty and my son would just be using it to drive up and back to school each day (less then 2 miles each way), it would not be a problem. Initially the dealer was asking $18,365 and right now have him at $16,700 and $18,000 including tax and tags. I feel like $16,200 (before TTL) is fair, and that price could very well happen within the next day because it looks like they have had it for a while.

    According to Edmunds the deal they are offering is well under what it should be for dealer retail, however for my area, the numbers have been consistently off on everything used.

    Does what they are offering now seem fair or am I being unreasonable with wanting $16,200?

    Also, what are the terms of the VW Certified Warranty?

    Thanks so much for your help and promptness in responding.

    AS
  • shmunsonshmunson Member Posts: 20
    I have a Civic EX and I am experiencing something I believe you did several years ago - auto switching radio. Did you get it resolved? Thanks for the info.

    Sorry Passat owners for talking about a civic but I think Carrie might have a solution for me.

    Have a great day everyone.
  • alyssazmomalyssazmom Member Posts: 142
    I had a 2002 Civic EX and yes, my radio would switch stations on its own. The dealer had to replace the radio/CD player altogether. I was told that many 2002 Civic EXs were installed with "dud" radios. The wiring in the radio is mixed but the only resolution is to replace it.

    It should be under your warranty!!

    Good luck and hope this helped :)

    Carrie
  • tarrrxtarrrx Member Posts: 1
    Apart from this, I love my passat. It seems like whenever I drive it in very cold weather (30F), especially if it's been sitting in the cold weather, it makes a horrible creaking noise when I go over bumps. It seems to come from the springs or shocks, and happens when I bottom out or go over a large bump. Interestingly, when it warms up outside, it goes away. Anyone else have the same problems?
  • dodger2234dodger2234 Member Posts: 1
    I am considering buying a 2001 or 2002 Passat. I have driven the 6 cylinder, but have not driven the 4 cylinder. Does anyone know if the 4 would get better milage, and is the increased mileage worth the decreased performance. And.....is the performance really that much better. Any info would be appreciated.
  • jtrujillo86jtrujillo86 Member Posts: 300
    I'm seventeen right now and own a 2002 Oldsmobile Alero. I purchased it with 25,425 miles on it for just over $10K a few months back and it's nearly fully loaded. If you are looking for a newer, reliable, low maintenance vehicle, I would look to the Alero. There is no "tune up" needed on the car until 100K and service from the dealer is much less than dealer service on a Passat. I REALLY like the old body Passats, but if your son only needs a car to go back and forth to school in and wants decent style, go with the Alero. I was just doing a search in my area and I found a 2003 Alero 4 door V6 with 15K miles for $11K. You also get the balance of the GM-backed factory bumper to bumper warranty. Also, your insurance will be much, much less expensive. That is the main reason why I went with the Alero over a VW. I really enjoy my Alero and it's a blast to drive. The sound system is great, the trunk is huge, the cabin room is huge, and the vehicle is easily self-serviceable. Look into it.

    Jeremy
  • automan227automan227 Member Posts: 118
    I did look into the Alero and came back with two main issues. This car will be a third car, and while my son will be driving it most of the time, it will also act as a car my wife may drive to work on occasion when our truck is in for servicing and such. With that in mind, the Alero did not have very good crash test ratings and safety features when compared with the passat. Therefore I am willing to put out the extra money to get a passat with all those extra features.

    On a different note to everyone: I have noticed that the 2001.5 models of the passat similarly equipped to the one I have been looking at (GLX 4Motion) are significantly higher priced and dealers will not move on them. Were the changes really that different to it when comapred with the old body style '01? Were there any differences in reliability?

    Thanks for the help...

    AS
  • mitdagessenmitdagessen Member Posts: 7
    Tarrrx, I had the exact same problem. I brought my 03 passat in and they knew right away what to do. They greased the sway bar bushings. I watched them do it, they removed two front bushings on the sway bar and put grease between the steel sway bar and rubber bushing. Its been quiet since then.
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Member Posts: 647
    dodger2234, the mileage is quite a bit better with the 4 cylinder Passat, I get up to 34mpg on the highway, 26 around town. The six won't match that, and there is very little difference in the acceleration between the 4 and the 6.
  • feilofeilo Member Posts: 128
    Personally I would test drive the 4-cyl first before you decide. The 4 is better suited to a 5-sp manual tranny than the Tiptronic.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Although we ultimately did not go with 2 Passats, we (two friends who were auto shopping and I) extensively test drove Passats thanks in part to the fact that a close friend owned (at the time) the Audi and VW dealerships we visted.

    The FWD 1.8T manual trans Passat "felt" quicker and more nimble than the GLX 4Motion 6 cylinder version by a considerable margin.

    Without meaning to suggest that a Passat thusly configured would be a bad choice, we came away feeling that the GLX 4motion (which came ONLY with the 5spd tip) was "a slug." Conversely the 1.8T with the manual transmission was quite spunky, almost lithe. The two cars had a completely different character -- the GLX was certainly "nice" but we felt that it would have been "the" car with a manual transmission.

    As I went on many test drives with my friends, here is how it all netted out -- one friend went with the FWD manual 1.8T passat and then performed some after market surgery/accessorizing. The other friend went with an Audi A4 1.8T quattro with the sport package and did no after market surgery/accessorizing.

    The Audi had a higher MSRP and a lower lease payment than the VW due to the Corporate Logic that pushed the money factor very low for the Audi.

    If you are looking for a Passat, be amazed how a car "this big" can be motivated by the 1.8T motor with the manual transmission.

    Suffice it to say, the Passat awd with a tip and with the 1.8T would probably be even more of a slug.
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Member Posts: 647
    Interesting, the VW website at one time listed the following
    0-60mph speeds;
                       
    1.8T 170hp Manual 7.9 Automatic 8.8

    1.8T 180hp Manual 7.7 Automatic 8.9

    2.8 V6 4-motion Manual N/A Automatic 8.4

    2.8 V6 Manual 7.5 Automatic 8.4

    Not a big difference in acceleration between the 6 cyl. and the 4 cyl., but there is a big difference in the gas mileage.
  • dficcodficco Member Posts: 12
    Hello. I hear that the 1.8T 4motions are now available. Anyone purchase one with the 5 speed manual? If so I would appreciate your feedback on ride, acceleration and overall performance. Also price paid.
    Thanks
  • kangakatkangakat Member Posts: 13
    Hey Tarrrx. I have a 2002 Passat 1.8T and experienced that exact same thing you are.

    After 4 separate trips to the dealer, they finally figured it out and fixed it with what mitdagessen states in his post. I was told it's got to do with some type of protectant coating they spray all over the underside of the car for when they ship it over on the boat to protect it from seasalt....Yeah...whatever, huh?! Typical dealer!

    Anyway, hasn't happened at all this winter and I'm in MN!
  • srosssross Member Posts: 33
    I'm thinking about trading in my Audi A4 1.8T (auto) for a manual Passat 1.8T 4 motion, for which there seem to be some good deals. The Passat feels so much bigger, though--very relaxing/luxurious but not really sporty. I guess that's the price you pay for a usable rear seat! Anyway, if there are youngish single Passat ownwers who can vouch for its Fahrgig...er, fun to drive qualities?

    (Off topic, but boy was I surprised by the difference in responsivenes with the manual. Kind of sleepy off the line in the automatic, but lots of pep with the stick. Also, I guess you get used to the manual operation of the Tiptronic if you like, but I found it distracting--easier to go all manual or all automatic.)
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    . . .is quite capable of being made more "Audi like" in the handling department.

    Either from VW or aftermarket, you can replace the springs, swaybars and bushing and wheels and tires. You can replace the BPV in the 1.8T with a sport By Pass Valvle and improve the responsiveness of the turbo without "chipping." You can replace the exhaust system and you could actually chip it and the thing would be made into a screamer.

    Personally, I'd first go with Plus 1 sized wheels and tires (1" bigger wheels and both lower profile and wider high performance tires); then I'd contemplate the sport anti-sway bars since one of the things I am suggesting is related to doing the most for the lowest (relative) $.

    The BPV should be under $100.

    The final thing would be sport springs which would lower the car by about 20mm and improve the whole package (esp when the sport sway bars are utilized).

    Since I'm spending your money, you can also go for the sport struts if you want, which will complete the handling transformation (Personally, I would do the struts, if at all, last).

    Other things that make the car more sporty include, a short shifter (shorter throws), street high performance brake pads or pads AND rotors. I have also seen some tasteful ground effects on a silver Passat that presumably add more than bling bling -- but the minimalist approach to the rear deck spoiler is nice too.

    The Passat 4Motion with a stick shift and just a couple of warranty friendly mods can be transformed from a very nice competent driver oriented sedan to a very nice competent sport oriented sedan -- that looks just a tiny bit more purposeful (if you like).

    You can -- if you go really nuts -- upgrade the 1.8T to the 225HP version, using VW/Audi parts. This is more like major surgery, and probably would not be supported by VW's warranty. But, hey, like I said, "if I'm spending your money. . ."

    Good luck! Nice car.
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Member Posts: 647
    I was going to lower my Passat before this winter, and then first hand experience showed me that my car was getting out of deep snow that other cars, mostly Toyotas and Accords were not.
    I found out that the ground clearance on the Passat is the same as some crossover SUV's, about 7", same as my Pacifica. You have to decide where your priorities are. Is a slight improvement in handling worth getting stuck in the snow if you live in the snow belt? Lowering the car also affects the ride quality and increases the odds for underbody damage. Most of the driving I do does not warrant a suspension change since I'm on the highway, not on the track. The lowered cars look cool, but I don't think they are very practical for everyday highway driving.
    Chips are a different story though...
  • dketchamdketcham Member Posts: 13
    I've had my '03 GLX for four months, and really like everything about it except for one item: the original equipment radio antenna, which I think really detracts from the overall look of the car. Am considering buying an aftermarket short antenna on Ebay. Has anyone had experience with these? My concern is that they may not provide radio reception quality equal to the OEM antenna,which has been excellent. Are some of these replacement antennas better than others? Are any of them worthwhile?
  • alyssazmomalyssazmom Member Posts: 142
    I'm moving my son soon from his infant seat to a convertible seat and would like to know from those who have children in convertible seats, which ones fit best?

    Thanks!

    Carrie ~2003 1.8T VW Passat AT, Candy White, Tan leather interior
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Anyway, I've seen some of the aftermarket antennas around. One you might find of interest is from a VW Sharan (European market only MPV); available from Hillside Imports (http://www.hillsideimports.com/index2.asp). Much shorter than stock. Others use a a rethreaded Honda S-2000 antenna. But from what I've read, both negatively impact reception, at least some. If your in an urban center, it may not be an issue. I kinda like the wasp stinger look, so I haven't tried either of them. YMMV.
  • rogerbrogerb Member Posts: 1
    My 2001.5 Passat keeps giving me a brake failure warning when I turn a corner in cold <30 degree weather. It flashes twice and goes away til the next corner. It seems to go away once the car has been driven for 1/2 hour. Anyone else have this issue
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Given the age of your car, your brakes could be worn to the point where the brake fluid in the reservoir is getting on the low side. When you turn, the movement may be enough to cause the warning to light. When the fluid is a bit warmer, it expands enough to let the warning light stay out.

    Check the brake fluid level in your reservoir. If it's low, and you've never changed any of the brake pads, I'd have the brakes inspected for wear. I wouldn't just add brake fluid.

    FYI... the owners manual recommends having your brake fluid flushed every two years.
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    I have an 02 GLX 4 Mo Sedan. Over the last 1-2 months, I am hearing the squeeking sound (or squeeling sound - take your pick), more so from the rear brakes, especially towards the end of braking. I could be coasting at 20 mph, and if I hit the brakes for a gradual stop, I hear the sound, even with the windows up.

    I have read mention of rear brakes wearing out early...but at 20,000 miles? No vibration or pulsation at the brake pedal. Could this probably be related to weather and humidity factors? (Sioux Falls, SD has been having variable humidity) I don't see rust, and the car is driven everyday. The service manager suggested the above factors. What I remember from basic physics is this - the car is heavy, and friction should cause the temperature to rise high enough to make humidity non-factorial.

    Getting my 20K tune up next week. All suggestions welcome..........BB
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    Well, I took the car in today, (199xx) miles oon it, and I get a call that there is glaze build-up on the "brake rotors". They could try and take that off with some spray (for $90), or I would need new rotors. (Current rotors are in good shape otherwise) Since this is a maintenance issue, VWoA will not cover repairs, unless the rotors were defective (ie. not warped from use). I called the brake service off. Meineke told me to hold the brake down for half a block, and that the "glaze" does not build up on rotors, but on brakes.

    So, what gives?..........BB
  • arjay1arjay1 Member Posts: 172
    Not familiar with that one. I just had the rear brakes replaced on my 2000 1.8t at 55,000 miles. The front pads are still in good shape. My rear brakes never squealed but the pads were totally shot.
    I did just have one of the original tires go bad. I had a vibration in the wheel and it was the front left tire. I rotated it with my spare and all is smooth again. I am hoping to go 80,000 to 90,000 on the original tires, we'll see. The two in rear are pretty worn but the two in the front are in great shape after many rotations.
    R. J.
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  • birdboy1birdboy1 Member Posts: 39
    Have a 2002 1.8t passat. Aside from the engine coil fiasco, and several check engine lights I really can not complain about the reliability of the car. I truly love the drive. I have had a very annoying low clicking or vibration noise around the lower driver side dash towards where the window meets the dash. have tried wedging a small objects in , however it did not help. the service tech even replaced the side airbag molding. It seems to happen only when it is cold and when the car is in idle. Anyone out there with the same experience? or solution. Kindly let me know..Thanks
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Eventhough I have a Jetta, I experienced a similar noise coming from the fuse door that butts up against the front drivers door. It was making a vibrating noise. I ended up placing a piece of sponge in the fuse door to stop the noise. It seems to have worked. I think this is a fairly commen noise in many car makes.
  • machaanmachaan Member Posts: 30
    I was thinking on getting 04 car new, but a used-car dealer(not VW dealership) is offering a 'certified' '03/15k for 6k less. Is it a good price?
    I thought only
    VW dealers can sell certified cars. Is it possible to get an extended warranty from VW on a
    pre-owned car. How do I verify if all the coil packs have been replaced on this car? Since which model year Passats started coming out of the factory with defect-free coil packs?
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