Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    Just curious. What is the 80 day cut-off for? Is it if you order a car and it doesn't come in within 80 days, do you have to choose a different car? What happens to the car you pick out after 80 days?
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    It turns back into a pumpkin.

    -Craig
  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    I've only had my used Passat since June. Over 97,000 miles and so far it's been great.

    I went to 2 different "German/Foreign car" garages to get an estimate for he timing belt and spark plugs. The first one I went to was close by and I passed it frequently. I went there and I said I just wanted an estimate. The head mechanic comes over to my car and he starts touching it, almost fidgeting with things, like the rubber molding on my window or the wiper blades. Just sort of quickly touching things. I thought this was weird and I don't like it when people touch my car unless they are working on it. Especially with greasy hands. So we spoke for a few minutes and then he asked me to open the hood. I thought this was kind of weird too. This is a garage that specializes in German cars. I figured if he knew the year of the car and the engine size, that he could use that for the estimate. I open the hood and he proceeds to touch more things. Then he pulls out my oil dipstick, looks at the gauge and puts it back in! What the F*ck did he do that for!? And he drips oils on the motor cover and never wipes it off. Needless to say, I politely thanked him for his time, took a business card, and high tailed it out of there. I almost felt violated. There were hand prints all over my car. After I left, I went right to the car wash. It was the strangest encounter with any mechanic I ever had.

    2nd garage

    I noticed another smaller "German/Porche" car place in a town nearby that I rarely go through. I stopped there for an estimate hoping for a better, less fidgety, mechanic. This place was small and seemed to only have 1 or 2 mechanics. The guy was civil, but not overly friendly. He couldn't stop what he was doing long enough to give me a round about figure, so I left him with my name and number so he could call me with the estimate. He never called. I guess he was that busy. Or maybe because I'm a female, he blew me off.

    Both places were less then tidy.

    I haven't had any luck yet finding anyone normal enough that I would let touch my car. I don't want to go to an STS or Goodyear.

    I live in central NJ. Does anyone know a good trustworthy mechanic around here? Even in PA. I'll be spending over $500 and I want to know it's done right.
  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    Really outrun? A pumpkin? Thanks :)
  • clscflmclscflm Member Posts: 71
    80 days... is the "cooling off" period that is part of the Taft-Hartley Act that the government implemented to get the longshoremen back to work at the West coast harbors. But from what I understand, there was a last minute agreement made by the union and PMA (Pacific Martime Assoc -- their boss)that had the workers agreeing to resume work through the holiday period and a promise to return to negotiations *without* Taft-Hartley really being applied. I'm not clear why they don't want the Act implemented, perhaps its binds their hands? My problem is that this 80 day work period will be up just as my Passat is due in San Diego. If there should be any delay on VW's part (or a shipping slow down because of the current back-log in harbors) and the lockout/strike resumes after the holidays, I may never get my car. I'll have to drive a pumpkin. ClscFlm
  • feilofeilo Member Posts: 128
    If they are made in Germany, why would Passats get shipped to San Diego? Wouldn't they come thru East Coast ports? Just curious. I checked with my dealer today on my order - I live in the Chicagoland - and he assured me that its coming in via Delaware port(s).
  • clscflmclscflm Member Posts: 71
    Its a Big Country (sorry, am a movie buff)...and so it makes sense VW would ship to both coasts, doesn't it? Nice that Delaware isn't having shipping labor problems. ClscFlm
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Still don't believe it, then go to a dealer and look at the window sticker!
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    Are 100% Assembled in Germany (parts are another thing). Two factories produce them: Emden or Desden.

    VW ships to San Diego as well as East coast - depending on the region it is to be sold. If you ask a dealer, they will tell you that they can pull cars from a Western OR Eastern region - whichever one they belong to. Cheaper to have a ship take the extra distance than to rail it in from the East to West coast I guess...

    The Taft Hartly act is only good for 80 days from Judicial approval, and can only be enacted by the President if an appointed counsel finds that the work stoppage will harm the economy, among other things.

    The issue to the current port situation is that of Technology. The port owners (shipping lines) want to modernize the equipment to allow the ports to handle more cargo without an increase in headcount. The Union does not want this, and wants any new technical positions under Union control.

    Most other ports in the world are faster, and more efficient than the West Coast ports which handles almost all of its transactions via handwritten paperwork - instead of computerized barcodes. E.G. Weighing cargo in a West Coast Port takes 2.5 hours, compared to other ports (like Shanghai) which takes only 30 minutes.

    The Union is pretty much screwed at this point because if a deal isn't struck by the end of the 80 day waiting period, they are forced by law to accept the last best offer offered to them by the Port Association (under Federal mediation).

    The last act was invoked by Jimmy Carter in the 1970s, and that was struck down by a Federal Judge.

    FYI...
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Mine was made in "Mosel". Is that a city or factory name?
  • lovetosavegaslovetosavegas Member Posts: 73
    Hehe, Funny experience you had with the mechanics.
    Why not go to a dealer to replace a timing belt?
    I had my second replaced couple years ago at a local VW dealer in TX. Timing belt + 4 factory spark plugs were less then 400$.
    Passat is not an item of personal hygiene, so I wouldn't worry too much if somebody touches it, though. I wonder how you feel when the birds do their stuff on your car?
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    I don't think it's a city - I could never find it on the German map! It's a name of a river, that's as much as I can tell.
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Wow, they make Passats on a barge or something?
  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    Wow! $400 is a good price. However, I have a V6 and of course I also have 6 plugs. I guess that's where the extra $$ comes in. Did they also replace the water pump and the tensioners? I am told that they usually always replace the water pump and tensioners as well as the thermostat.

    Remember the movie "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"? With John Candy and Steve Martin. Remember the guy who picked them up and gave them a ride in the back of his pick-up truck? Well that's who the first mechanic reminded me of.

    At $70+ an hour for labor, I think the VW dealer is the most expensive. I just feel they may rush through the job because they are always so busy doing warranty work. I may consider it if I don't find someone else.

    I'm not "worried" about someone touching my car, but if you had a clean car and some greasy mechanic starts putting his hands all over it creating smudges and streaks everywhere, you wouldn't care? I think you might. Especially if you just spent $10 at the car wash.

    My point is, that although I don't care so much about keeping the car spotless, I do think it's irritating when someone disrespects your property. The birds can't help where they drop and it's my fault if I don't keep it in the garage, but a human should know how to treat someone else's things.
  • harlequin1971harlequin1971 Member Posts: 278
    I would have to agree with you. It seems that the guy was trying to snow (er show) you what a great mechanic he was...performing a quick 30 point inspection while he tried to figure out what parts and labor he could add into the estimate.

    "Yes, well...this model requires the Funkel Flange to be removed when you do the timing belts. Normally, that is fine, but if the Flange has hardened it might be brittle and break. I usually advise that you expect to replace the Funkel Flange as well, a $156 part. I also recommend we lube the transaxle shaft and case to improve your engine's life and fuel mileage."

    I smell a dead fish floating somewhere in that story. :)

    Best advice I can give you. Keep looking. I have found a few good places for my cars...it can be done. Check their certifications, ask to see parts that are replaced until you trust them.

    My favorite saying at a new shop:

    "I don't want to start a bad relationship, but you have to earn my trust and business. If you do, I will happily be a loyal customer and recommend you to friends and strangers alike. If you can't, this will be the last time you work on my car."

    You may want to ask a few people if the opportunity presents itself. If you have the time.
  • hoodornamenthoodornament Member Posts: 114
    Good info, thanks for the informative post !
  • wjqiwjqi Member Posts: 8
    Hello, I have a 2000 Passat GLS V6 (Auto), I tried to change my oil and filter for the first time since I ran out of the 2 year free maintenance. Would you please tell me where the drain plug and the filter are located? Also how do I change it? Believe it or not, I drained something else which I thought would be the engine oil, I drained from a plug which is right under the car. The oil is too clean to be engine oil, I am guessing it is the automatic transmission oil. Would you also help me where should I put it back in? Your help is greatly appreciated.
  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    wjgi,


    Based on your experience so far, I don't recommend that you take on this challenge, but it's up to you.


    Just FYI, most Goodyear/Quicklube places are reasonable in price and you leave behind the aggravation of going to the Car parts place and having to dispose of the oil. If you decide to go to a Quicklube type place, ask for an oil change only. It should be between $15 and $25. Some places automatically perform other misc. checks where they will top off other fluids, check your belts and grease the front end. Then they jack up the price to $40 or better. They may call it a "Full service" oil change and they won't ask if you want it, they just do it. Also, having a garage lift your car, they may spot potential problems, like leaking fluid or worn bushings.


    If you want to try it, the following is a link that guides you in doing an oil change. Be sure to read it all. Especially the part on putting oil on the gasket of the new filter.


    http://www.doityourself.com/auto/howtochangeautooil.htm


    I have a '99, so I'm guessing it's similar. There is a large hard plastic cover that attaches to the underneath of the car. It's like a brush guard for the underside of the car. I believe it covers over the oil pan and blocks access to the filter. You have to detach it. I'm not sure how, but I know mine fell down and I had to have a garage use wire to put it back in place.


    I believe the V6 takes 5.7 quarts of oil, so buy 6 quarts.


    Good Luck :)

  • jensenwajensenwa Member Posts: 1
    Can someone with a 5 speed 1.8T give me an idea of how many revs it turns at 80 mph? Actually, for that matter I would be interested in seeing the V6 figure as well. My dealer does not currently have any manual transmission Passats available to drive (blasphemy!) I do a good deal of interstate driving, and would like to avoid buzzy, high rpm cruising.

    While I'm at it, I may as well pose an interrelated question (on the ignorant side this time). If you increase an engine's performance via chip, exhaust, etc., does this lower the rpm it needs to turn at a given road speed?? Or is rpm simply a function of gearing?

    Sorry for all the questions, but thanks for any help y'all can provide!!
  • hoodornamenthoodornament Member Posts: 114
    i have a 5speed GLS, at 80mph your looking at roughly 3250 rpm, not too bad, the 6 would definitely be quieter and smoother I would think. I love the car though !!
  • kelvinleungkelvinleung Member Posts: 10
    Went test drive our new 1.8T 5-sp manual fresno green Passat yesterday. Everything was fine except one thing. When the turn indication light goes off after the turn was finish. Both left and right indication lights on the dash flash once (very rapid). It's intermittent (3 out of 10) and I've tried another Passat which has no problem at all.

    Seems like it depends on how quick I turn the steering wheel when entering the turn. Anyone has seen this problem?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    That happens on my 2002 Jetta sometimes as well. If I use the right signal to change lanes and release it myself, the left one will flash a little bit, like a half flash. Just normal I guess.
  • wagonmeisterwagonmeister Member Posts: 15
    a region near Zwickau, Germany. Passats and Golfs are manufactured there. The factory employs nearly 5,900 workers involved in the manufacture of in excess of 1,000 cars a day. In July 1999, the millionth VW rolled off the assembly line out of a total of 268,000 vehicles for the year.

    Wagonmeister
  • clscflmclscflm Member Posts: 71
    Any known difference between cars put together at this site versus Emden? Think I read a thread once of one making better cars than the other.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    Yeah, I heard that somewhere too, but I couldn't verify the accuracy of that claim.

    On an off note, VW sales seem to be in the tank these days - news came out that they are shutting down their Wolfsburg plant for a week or two after the new year.

    wagonmeister - thanks for the Geography lesson - I was starting to wonder if they really did assemble the cars on a barge! :)
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Thanks for the info. I heard the cars made in Mosel were better (I think).
  • harlequin1971harlequin1971 Member Posts: 278
    maybe the market has done a better job of catch up than VW can overcome?

    It isn't that I see the VWs as over-priced, but many Japanese (and Korean) cars are offering a much better value when compared to VW. For the European enthusiasts, this doesn't matter, but for the average Joe who wants a stylish car that will last...VWs made in third world countries lacks the appeal of a more luxurious equipped, or more value-loaded (cheaper) model from another company that makes their cars in the US or Japan.

    I like VW, but they keep losing in the value department as compared to competing models...the only cache they retain is the German engineering...which falls under questionable scrutiny as they continue to push more and more of their American offerings to Mexico and Brazil.

    At this point, the only affordable VW I would consider is a Passat, to at least get the German-made car that I am paying for. I was very sad to learn that they had moved even the Golf production to South America.

    Of course, the Passat starts at a hefty price-tag for the poor folk (myself currently included) and if I wanted to spend $25k on a car, a number of cars offer similar or better packages...

    VW is losing sales because they haven't done much to register excitement in the last two years. Adding the 1.8T to soo many models has helped, but they never threw one into the Cabriolet (which I would have considered) and the Beetle just doesn't move me.

    I an interested in seeing what the Jetta V will look like, but it may come a bit late for me...as I hope to have new wheels early in 2003. Currently considering a VW Passat (CPO?) or a Mazda 6.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The Jetta V will not come out in the US until 2004/05, so you will definitely have a car by then, you say. Also, VWoA is thinking about sending their Polo to the US as well, as a 2004/05 model. It will be priced in the $13-16K range, according to VWVortex.. Check out http://www.vwvortex.com for more information.

    Also, I don't see how VW sales are going down anytime soon. VWs are currently the best selling German cars in the US, and the Jetta is close to the top 10 best selling cars in the US.
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    That's an opinion not backed by facts. When I purchased my 2002 (2001.5) Passat a year and a half ago Passats were few and far between in South Florida. Since then, however, sales have risen tremendously. Jetta sales are also excellent. You have to remember that both cars cannot be produced in the quantities of Civics, Corollas, Accords and Camrys. Capacity is just not there. But that's OK in my book as lower availability keeps re-sale higher.
  • ironmanterpironmanterp Member Posts: 57
    Compared to Sept '01 sales, VW US sales were up 23.7% ... while Honda was up 15.9%, Nissan up 9.7% and Toyota was up 4.3%. The entire U.S. industry year ago sales were up 2.9% for September.


    http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0210/05/a01-602354.htm


    Company-wide sales were down 4.2% during 2Q '02(ending Jul 31), but VW's second quarter profits were up 24%. The slump was attributed to the weakening economy in Europe and America.


    http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0208/01/b04-549930.htm


    Our very own Edmunds site noted that Volkswagen of America won ALG's "Industry Brand Residual Value Award" (http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specialreports/articles/70532/article.html), so we may safely assume that VW's demand and appeal in the U.S. market is in great shape.


    "Residual value performance has long been considered the best way to analyze the health of an automotive manufacturer's vehicles," said John Blair, CEO of ALG. He added that the awards will "provide consumers and industry professionals with a clear set of vehicle depreciation benchmarks and provide a yardstick for automotive brands to measure themselves."

  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    I was looking for a different discussion for my post, but I really didn't see anything specific, so I'll post here.

    I want to eventually upgrade my suspension and tires on my '99 V6 Passat. Basically, I want to stiffen up the car so it doesn't bottom out so easily. I also want cornering obliging tires. I know this car has a lot more potential if given the right parts.

    Has anyone modified their suspension or found more aggressive tires they like? My intention is to turn out some more performance in the car and take some of the "family" out of the "family sedan" category this car falls into, and put some "sport" into the car instead. Take a fairly low profile car coupled with a drag coefficient of only 0.27, and I'm sure the car has more to offer, but I want to make some adjustments first.

    Thanks
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    VW does offer an upgrade kit for stiffer suspension, sportier shocks, etc. The 2002 Passat underwent a major overhall in the chassis department to stiffen up the car more then the previous models.
  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    the redesigned Passat has been given stiffer body structure,which will decrease rattles and give,overall,the car a more pleasing sense of tightness. However,the suspension was not at all stiffened-VW has correctly sensed the Passat was heading mainstream,and did not want to compromise the balance of fun and "family values' the car has.
    Various things can be made stiffer on a car.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    Other enthusiast sites like vwvortex have discussions for modding your car - everything from suspension to EC chip modding to boost the HP output of the engines.

    Take note, however, that this will kinda void your warrantly.

    Personally, I think the car is perfect enough as it is - as merckx mentioned, it does have the right blend of stiffness and ride for a family car - but that is just my opinion.
  • caw103caw103 Member Posts: 63
    go to clubb5.com and you will find a wealth of suggestions and opinions for suspension, wheel and tire upgrades. The Eibach Pro system should handle your needs. Also members get a discount from shox.com which is pretty worthwhile.
  • caw103caw103 Member Posts: 63
    trlyka, since you have a 99 the suspension is already out of warranty. And for others modifications don't void your warranty so much as they give dealers an excuse to deny warranty claims. If you have a dealer that does so you will have to go through the pain of fighting them and perhaps suing them for the warranty service. It is up to the dealer to prove that the problem is the result of your mods. There are dealers that are mod friendly which you can also look for.
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    As I said previously, VW offers upgrade kits for suspension, etc. that does not void warranty. Ask your dealer.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I have the factory sport suspension (Eibach springs) on my 2002 Jetta, and they still suck! If you want real handling prowess, go aftermarket. The dealer more than likely will not void the warranty, unless the specific aftermarket part causes a problem.
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Sorry to hear that. I like my 2001.5 Passat the way it is. Will keep it another two years and get t he 2005 (on sale 2004) Bigger Passat.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    It might be the dampers are still the soft OEM ones. In UK, after installing firmer dampers with the Eibach springs improve handling greatly, versus the Eibach springs with OEM dampers.
  • bimmer4mebimmer4me Member Posts: 266
    but then a friend told me about this site and said I should check it out...don't know what to think!


    http://www.myvwlemon.com

  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Remember, these kind of sites have more people complaining then praising. That is what they are for. However, I've had a 2001.5 (2002) Passat for nearly a year and a half and the only problem was that my left rear brakelights went out a month ago. Got it fixed.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    Does VW have a modded chip that can raise the power output of the V6 from a pitiful 190HP to something abit less laughable - like 210HP?

    Bimmer - all manufacturers have lemons, even Honda and Toyota....
  • big_guybig_guy Member Posts: 372
    Getting a lemon vehicle is a problem with all manufacturers. My father had a lemon Toyota Camry, I have a friend that has a lemon Honda Civic. I personally had a older generation Jetta that had absolutely no problems and my brother had a Golf with minimal problems. Another of my friends had a Jetta that was 1 year older than the one I owned and he had several problems with it. It is kind of a crap shoot sometimes . . . only the odds are better of getting a reliable car than they are at winning at craps!
  • oddhackoddhack Member Posts: 12
    I'm considering an '03 Passat GL Tip, but was taken aback by the turbo lag on my test drives. Perhaps it's just that I've never driven a turbo before - but it was frightening to poke my nose out in heavy oncoming traffic and then realize that the car was barely accelerating for a noticeable amount of time! I'd be interested in comments on how well other Passat drivers have dealt with this.

    I'm also a bit concerned by the rear pillar, which feels like it's significantly blocking my view into the blind spot when I look back prior to lane changes. I'm pretty tall, and maybe that's the reason.

    The Passat has a nice feel, and I think I'd be pretty happy with it if I can handle these two concerns - but an Accord LX-V6 seems like somewhat more car for about the same money, so I'm wavering back and forth.
  • trlykatrlyka Member Posts: 82
    for all the feedback. My car has over 97,000k on it, so I am not too worried about any warranties being voided.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my car the way it is, but where I live, the roads are fairly smooth and twisting. Some are quite bumpy too. I enjoy driving down the back roads at a good clip. I have found certain spots where I would bottom out ever so slightly.

    I would most likely not go to the dealer for any parts for suspension type upgrades or tires. I have always gone aftermarket for a couple of reasons. One is choice and the other is price. Also, I rely on word of mouth help decide what to buy, so I will do a little research on some of the sites mentioned in the replies.

    Thanks again
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    I beleive that Turbo lag is a lot more pronounced on an Automatic, compared to a manual where a driver can manually compensate for the lag.

    The lag only appears at the low end of the RPM scale, so if you shift it just right, your lag can only be noticeable when you start the car.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Using the Tiptronic feature on the Passat's tranny compensates somewhat for this. I have a 2002 Jetta 1.8T, and the lag gets to be a pain in heavy traffic sometimes, when you might need a burst of power. I have had my car for almost a year and 24K miles, and am used to it now.
  • charles15charles15 Member Posts: 57
    I am not sure what you are describing is turbo lag. All 2000 and later Passats have a drive by wire accelerator that also causes a lag especially when matched with a tiptronic tranny.
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Charles15 you are absolutely correct. Funny, while it happened when my 2001.5 Passat was new it hardly ever happens now, even under the same conditions. One way to avoid the "hiccup" is to shift the tip manually or make sure your foot is off the brake before pressing down on the accelerator. Flooring the gas also may cause it to happen. A slow steady pressure can avoid the problem. My '95 and '98 Camrys exhibited the same thing.
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