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I sat in a regal it was nice, but the loose cusion interior and design didn't appeal to my wife who favors the import school of design, hence the appeal of the Intrigue. That is a Q-ship for sure. While I like being different (shopping the accord took some stomach), the GTP would be more my style than the buick.
I saw that many maxima owners are not getting very good milage - 22-25 mixed driving. I would have thought that would be higher. Might the lead foot syndrome......
The olds is a quirky choice, not for everyone, that's for sure. And yes, you'd have to drive it into the ground to get your money out of it, but try finding a used GLS, owners aren't tradeing them in very often, and not many were sold in the first place. Lots of rental GX's if that's your style or budget. I've looked here, and the discount for a used 2000 is not worth it. Personally, I'm willing to pay for goodies and enjoy them a long time.
Slope
I am giving GM and the dealer one last shot to fix the car (very doubtful)as I am following strict procedure outlined by Florida Lemon Law. FL law considers these problems to be serious enough to warrant replacement/buyback by the manufacturer....only 1 repair attempt and you are out!.
Very dissapointed to say the very, very least.
Why is it that the GP doesn't come with a fold down seat, anyway?
Teo - I think I saw you post somewhere recently that Maxima does not stand up well to crashes (sorry buddy - I've seen your posts in so many forums I can't keep up with you!!)
What's the issue with Maxima body integrity that would be so different than W body? Aren't both considered to be unibody construction? Neither is on a frame that I'm aware of. Is Maxima different than Camry/Accord in this regard?
Ken
Its all here:
http://www.highwaysafety.org/
ickes: As I've said before, I think the Intrigue re-sale problems are over blown. As for the Grand Prix, one of the main reasons I didn't get another Grand Prix when my 98 was totalled was the lack of a split folding seat option. That made me look at the Intrigue and I couldn't be happier.
The simple fact is that the car depreciates more rapidly than almost any other car in the segment. I did a similar cross comparision at Carpoint on the resale as someone else did on Intellichoice and got similar results. You don't have to look much farther than the classifieds to bear this out.
Really, any car is a bad deal if you dump and run after a short period. Almost better off leasing and increasing the mileage. GM must eat it in the shorts on these returns...
If you are holing cars for 36-48 months, you should definitely lease With the new warranty, even a 48 month lease would be totally covered under warranty.
The olds resale is lower because of the fact that no one knows about the car, lots of rentals in the resale market and problems that have not been corrected. These problems are more of an annoyance than safety related, but they don't appear too be fixable and GM has not been aggressive in its efforts to fix these cars.
I and probably everyone on this board has his fingers crossed, in the hopes that he gets a perfect aurora.
Because if it ain't, GM will be buying that car back too!!LOL!!
Okay guys, here is Oldsmobile's problem. All the sudden today, I'm seeing Oldsmobile ads on tv. Earlier this evening, during the period of an hour or so, I saw the same commercial four times! It is a new commercial and is rather cute and it clearly mentions the 5 year 60,000 mile warranty. It shows all 5 models. Now, why the hell did GM not run ads that like BEFORE dropping Olds? Heaven knows, they might have attracted some more potential buyers. Anyhow, at the end of the ad you see the Oldsmobile logo against a black screen and the GM logo appears right under it. I think this is their attempt to be sure that customers know Olds is part of GM so they won't be concerned about long term service after Olds is gone. Anyone else seen the ad? It must have broke today as this was the first time I have seen it or any Olds ad on tv recently.
2000 and 2001 GL or GLS owners, are the rearview mirrors heated? Guy from work was asking as his are not or at least they are not heating up. The manual states that "if equipped" they come on with the rear defogger. But the manual also shows a power release button for the fuel door, something which was dropped midyear. I looked in the brochure I had for the 2000 and it does not mention that the mirrors are heated, just that they are body color. In the 99 brochure, it does mention both body color and heated. He was just wondering before asking the dealer.
Edmunds wrote:
When heater is running, A/C and radio controls get super hot. A dealer said, "They all do that." This cropped up again and again the entire time we had the vehicle.
If anyone can shed any light on a solution to this matter, I'd appreciate it. It can't be normal, and it couldn't possibly not have some long-term effect on those units.
Thanks a lot!
teo: Give the Impala a chance before getting rid of it! No car is perfect. It's like my home builder's manual states - "The 100% perfect house cannot be built by any builder. If it could, no family could afford to buy it." I think this goes for cars too. GM's W body cars are a pretty good value for the money. For GM to build a "flawless" Impala, it would probably cost you three times as much.
jkkinnova1: You may have the dashboard lights turned all the way up. Turn them down a little and they shouldn't get too hot. The heater has nothing to do with how hot the controls get.
740i BMWs. Thats a $70,000 car. j $70,000 on a car that can't be fixed and that BMW won't buy back. I hear about it all the time.
I know that doesn't make teo feel any better but
its a gamble anytime you buy a car.
It will also groan or shudder when the car is already running.
Has anybody had this before?
I'm thinking power steering pump, what do you guys think?
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Dindak, the ads do some a little like fire sale ads, but at least Olds is running ads. My question to them is why didn't they try running more ads(and maybe the extended warranty) before giving the brand the ax? And the ads they did run were lame. Like the Intrigue ad for the PCS system that says "Yaw rate sensors.. an intrument to measure how many times a Swede says yes or part of the Intrigue's PCS system." Give me a break. And the ad didn't even mention the wonderful DOHC V6.
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I really hope the article I mentioned was right about keeping Aurora and Bravada alive. They are both models I would consider in the future even if they are Saturns or Buicks. I would also consider another Intrigue down the road, but the model will be long gone by then.
Someone at Oldsmobile has enough sense to have put the car on display. That car drew so much attention to the Olds booth that I wouldn't be surprised if Baltimore/DC Intrigue sales increase as a result.
Anyway, that OSV looked so good I could have driven it right out of the show. I also noticed that Olds finally got the colors for the car right. Midnight Blue instead of that powder puff color, Sterling instead of that Silver Mist (steel gray in my opinion. But I still like my "steel gray" Intrigue) Ruby in place of that bright red, and Ivory White replacing that bright white. Too bad they waited so long to get things right. If they have the OSV at all the shows and push the 5/60 warranty, they might actually sell some cars.
BTW, for those looking at replacement tires, the OSV had Michelin Pilot XGTs (Z rated). Apparently they think the Pilots are good for the car as those of us who already put them on our Intrigues already know.
As far as other divisions that should have been axed, at the car show NOBODY was at the Buick display. They had an attractive lady explaining the Regal but a total of 4 people were listing. None of the other cars Buick sells had more than one person looking at it. Olds, on the other hand, had gobbs of people (by comparison) and got lots of attention from the OSV with no beautiful woman talking about it.
Will be interesting to see the the post-phaseout sales numbers for Olds models. Would be poetic justice if all of the sudden Olds started outselling Pontiac (not going to happen but that would be funny).
I would think if they were getting another sale they may let you out.
Wishful thinking on my part?
Anybody tried to do this with any luck?
Q: Is this back seat comfortable for long trips for people? Get any complaints?
I live in Texas and anything is a 1 hour drive, so I'd like a car that costs this much to have headroom in the back so I can load some buddies and head to Austin or New Orleans in style.
If you can let me know on this board soon, I'd appreciate it. The rest of the car has me sold pretty much, its quiet, smooth and powerful. Dunno what crack the guys on edmonds were smoking saying the trans wouldn't downshift, but the transmission on my long test drive last night kicked down 2 gears at 50mph instantly and the car was at 80-90 in no time, its a freakin' rocket on the road! I don't have hills in Houston, so maybe its a hill thing?
Slope
ps. the dealer that had blue one I saw Thursday a closing sold it by saturday night, the other dealer sold the green GLS and the red one I had looked at a week ago, only a green GLS was left. I'm amazed at the interest in these cars. I hope the green one is low milage and still there, I may just get it.
S
It still seems wrong to have to do that, though. Does anyone know of a fix for this rather than the dimmer adjustment workaround? I would prefer to have the interior lights a little brighter (or at least have the option of jacking them up).
Also, how can you get the A/C to come on in the winter. The owner's manual makes reference to the compressor not coming on when outside temp < 40 degress, but a couple of times it has when I've pressed the A/C button and others it just flashes a few times at me, then turns off. What's the secret here?
Thanks!
Have you tried putting the vent selection to the defrost position? This should make the A/C compressor go on.
Slopedirk, I've sat in the back seat of my Intrigue only a couple of times(obviously since I'm the driver) and none were for very long. The position seemed pretty comfortable and my only complaint was there is no head support as the seatback is too low for that, but that is common on alot of cars. However, friends who have been in the backseat on long drives have said it is pretty comfortable. Keep in mind these were college age friends and cars like the Intrigue, Maxima, and Accord are like Caddies to them. Seriously though, I would not even take the time to read that Edmunds review. Actually, if you want to see just how inconsistant Edmunds is, look for the 1998 midsize sedan review. They tested a Mercury Sable, Buick Regal GS, Toyota Camry V6, Olds Intrigue, and Honda Accord and that is how they ranked them. In that review, they praised nearly everything about the Intrigue, except the old 3800 V6 engine. Funny how 2 years later the Intrugie comes up last and the Sable's twin(the Taurus) is way up front. And we all know the later build Intrigues are better than the early ones.
The GLS I'm considering has the sunroof, unfortunately.
Thanks for input on head room. 6'8"!! That's tall! I can't see how you fit in the back of a 2001 with the "stadium" seating, but maybe it has more room than I'm givng it credit for and you must have long legs - I'm 6' and have a long torso. Oh well, if we ride with long legged folks, I can put the tallest in the front.
S
If a car has 37" inches of headroom i can fit in it. The intrigue has over 39" and i like the openess of the greenhouse in the car (nonsunroof).
My other car is a camaro if that gives you any idea of what i can fit in to.
In effect, the remaining lease payments were rolled into the new cars cost and he ended up paying for it.
My understanding is that it is pretty hard to get out of a lease without paying a penalty of some sorts.
I drove up to a dealership 20 miles from my house last night and the salesman said that they don't let people out of leases just because they buy another car.
He said i should continue to pursue arbitration.
They called GMAC and I turned the car in without getting burned for the rest of the payments. My dealer was very helpful in this and I got the car at invoice. Not a killer deal, but one that I felt was fair to the dealer and me.
Hope this helps.
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2 Recalls done, Parasitic Fog Lamp Switch and Latch to Stop Rear Seat Belts From Twisting
(Neither of which caused an actual problem before the recall was performed)
Non Warranty Work - Had the Reveal Molding replaced, Intermediate Steering Shaft, New rear pads to stop a brake groan.
All these issues were addressed during an oil change visit. At 18 months I had the brake fluid replaced and while there had the Molding and Steering Shaft Replaced. That one took 2.5 hours. All other trips were less than one hour.
I've really enjoyed the car so far. None of these issues were annoying. They were fixed correctly on the first try.
Gas mileage in predominately city driving:
1st year 22.4
2nd year 21.3
Best Mileage 30.6 in 90 degrees with the AC on driving to Toronto.
Would I buy another Intrigue?
Absolutely.
My car, a 99 with 62,000KM has been reliable. No dealer visits except for regular oil changes, a broken cigarette lighter door and a creaky driver's window when opened. I've noticed a few rattles coming from dash/centre console lately on really cold days, may take that apart and take a look myself.