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jgriff : Still lurking eh bud? How's the Honda??
I have been thinking about GMs divisional structure and in light of what the article speculates I wonder why GM needs both Pontiac and Chevy. Both are cheap, mass market cars. Seems like duplication. They could try and move Pontiac upmarket a bit but I don't know if that's possible. Would have made more sense to have created the Aurora division, as the article says, and fold both Olds and Pontiac into that. Ah well, too late now, and besides, the morons running GM still wouldn't know what to do with that anyway.
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They've done a good job naming the cars in the division. They have an aggressive, catchy sound: Oldsmobile Aurora, Oldsmobile Intrigue (I really like this one... am I biased?), Oldsmobile Alero.... Even shortend it sounds good: Olds Intrigue, etc. What are they thinking?It's not "Old" Intrigue and it doesn't sound like it when you say it.
Anyway, I'm finished rambling.
I can't help but feel bitterness about the products GM has out know. It isn't exactly rocket science to engineer and build quality products, yet cost cutting and shortcuts are evident in nearly every GM product. The Toyota Highlander is what the Buick Rendezvous should be, but isn't because of its compromised mini-van plattform and cheap materials. That dashboard is down right some of the hardest and bright plastic around.
The door construction on the Intrigue is typical for American cars and they are generally not a problem. I've not noticed any air leaks from mine, and in Winter in Canada I would notice such things. The sound levels coming from around the doors is also not a problem in mine.
As with most cars, Intrigue has an adhesive-edged thick plastic 'water deflector' membrane in each door just behind the interior panel. Water deflectors are usually not totally air-tight but should be enough to prevent a 'breeze' from entering. It may be that the water deflector in your car was ripped or otherwise installed improperly.
Note: I own the CL not TL, and I have posted to the CL, Zaino, Roadside, Lease VS. Purchase, Honda is the Best threads [spec. to Mr.Teo]. Most of my CL postings are/have been done on NON-Edmunds sites, and which all have died down a lot.
I have read all posts and seen the Acura/Honda puns, etc. Just listening to everyone comments and keeping my thoughts to myself. Thank You.
To everyone "Good Luck" with your Olds, and carry onwards
bz4 : No surprise about "jgriff".
lee18::::::Same service manager on the 98 Intrigue
which was repurchased at 26k miles.. Sure doesn't sound like an old man being smoozed; instead this old man is smoozing them..
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You can tell why i have been on the new car hunt lately. The last thing i want to do is give the general any more money on this fleece deal I did.
I had a long list of things for them to repair:
1. Oil change
2. Rotate tires
3. Clunking noises in front end
4. Popping sound when turning right/lube jounce bumps.
5. Engine accessories making noise at times
6. Blowing blue smoke upon start up
7. Rear door hinges loose
8. Groaning sound when putting car into reverse and turning
9. Car still does not start sometimes or exhibits a rough start. Would like crankshaft sensors looked at.
Anyway i got there at 8:15 AM and there were two cars in front of me that didn't have any drivers in them. The service advisors were walking around and moving some cars, none of them acknowledged me. I sat in my car for about 10 minutes and walked to the service drive, nobody was around then i walked to the service area and i could see them walking around. I stood there for almost ten minutes. There are three service advisors and this is a small dealership. Where are these guys.
One of them came walking by me and i waited for him to ask me if i had been helped. Not gonna happen. I walked back to my car and as i was getting in another came by and asked if he could help me. I said no, I can't wait. Got into my car and drove to work. 20 minutes, I waited for them.
I will have to reschedule on my time.
I am thinking about all the potential sales that he and other olds dealers are missing out on because they don't have any inventory. Maybe they are getting what they deserve.
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It's also a Caddy dealership. LOL.
Oh yeah, and they sell daewoos at their other caddy dealership.
At 6'8" I am kinda hard to ignore.
I know they saw me.
Yes, selling dealer. They were probably sayin, "here comes that guy with the unfixable intrigue again." "You go talk to him, no you talk to him, I did it last time." "He's got a list with him, and i am going to have to type a lot of stuff into the computer and my hands will get tired." "Why can't he be like all of our 70 year old customers, they can't hear half the noises their cars make." "Let's just ignore him and maybe he will go away." "He's heading for his car, he's starting it up." "Yeah, Victory." "We really dodged a bullet on that one, I thought i was actually going to have to work there for a minute."
jcoleman::::::Wait till the warranty runs out; then the service guys will come running.
One should make an appt., then there is no surprise or excuse. If people don't wait on one; then call the GMgr. and get someones butt over the barrel..
Air leaks, well tonight the temp was about 40 outside and I had the car nice and toasty inside so I started feeling around for air leaks around the door handle, but didn't feel any. I was doing about 50 and cracked a window open and still didn't notice any air rushing by the driver's door handle. As for the Intrigue's doors being cheap, they are no worse than most other cars in this class. I agree, they could use more sound deadening inside them, but they are not junk as someone here said. If a solid feeling door and a quiet ride are what you seek more than anything, get an Aurora. Or a Caddy.
I had a bad experience with a different dealer (Olds/Chev) and stormed into the dealership scared the daylights outta the receptionist demanding my car (they hadn't looked at the damn thing for 3 days and were in violation of my warranty because they hadn't provided transportation). She got into a yelling match with me. I just took the car elsewhere and I'm happy to say I've been very very satisfied (except when they tell me they can't find anything wrong and when the service advisor complains that I take non-warranty stuff somewhere else [tire rotation and oil change for $40 instead of $90 they want to charge])
Is anyone else pondering cutting their losses now that the 3.5 won't be put into other divisions? I must admit I'm thinking maybe I should dump the Intrigue and get a Maxima so I won't have to worry about the future.
The ride is as good as it gets with the LS tires; and as they wear down the ride follows.. When those tires approach 40k miles there is no ride comfort..
Several of our forum members have gone the Michelin route with great success. I setting at 38K+ and the wear strips are becoming the main tread and I am fighting the moment for thses old LSs are perfect--no shake or vibration. Dread going through process of tweaking new tires because some clown knows nothing about balancing causing me several trips to iron it all out.
The struts are harsh and noisy; they sound wore out but the dealer says they are "operating to specs", extra money available then go put on a softer strut. The strut may last forever because it doesn't move enough to wear..
Forum folks______A question????? Why won't a GTP strut fit an Intrigue???? or a Buick Regal GS????It's my understanding that the mechanicals are the same but the strut design internally differs..Second thought; it sounds like a bad idea so let's scrub it..
Met up with some friends who I had not seen in a few years. They are looking for a new car and commented on how nice my Intrigue was. They had no idea who made it though which reminds me how bad a job GM did in promoting this car and the Oldsmobile brand. SAD!
Cutlass, Cutlass, Cutlass. Everybody knows who makes a Cutlass.
I hope that they do.
On another note, I cannot wait until those 5/60 warranty Intrigues hit the used lots w/ 15-20K miles (hopefully selling for $11-$15K like they are now).
1415: You're right about getting new tires. Most tire shops don't care must about good dynamic balancing and alignment. Curious: do you really think you've lost performance from your struts at 38k, or just generally unhappy about about the ride (understandable)? Don't you wish you the car had good old fashioned shocks? It's nice to pick out a shock to adjust the ride to fit your tasts
The front end will get noisier with age and internally is where the noise is generated and GM will not do a damn thing about it nor will a dealer except try to lube it which lasts 5 miles.
The strut will probably never wear out but an after market strut is the only cure. Try a Monroe Reflex or a KYB..
If your car is under 5,000 miles take it back to the dealer and yell at him..This is my second Intrigue so I am up to the car's tricks. The brakes are delicate, and the steering could cause a problem. Its a blast to drive; but probably one of the biggest screwings that GM ever did to the motoring public..
ghosty::::I love a firm ride because you are in better control at speed and surprising the tires last longer. The Intrigue is firm and as the rubber wears it will get brutal.
Welcome to the club..
Saw a used 2001 Aurora advertised in the paper today for $23,500.
Most of us have had problems with our cars. Many of these problems have been fixed by a simple parts replacement.
The suspension noises appear to be unfixable. GM has not addressed the design issues inherent in these problems. Perhaps an aftermarket manufacturer has a part that solves the problem.
Your car will eventually have these noises too.
Thats what we are talking about.
I hope you enjoy your intrigue as much as i have.
redly_one : I'm 99% sure 2002 will be the last year for Intrigue. I would not be surprised if production wrapped up early in the year though, especially if sales are poor.
The only way to describe the public's disdain for the car is to compare it to the "dot coms".
I agree that the 3.5 is a blast and it gets better with miles.. It's is a neat shaped car and quite pleasing to the eye; but there are certain things which transform this hunk of metal into a absolute love/hate relationship..
On this thread you will find an easy-going group that tend to put it right on the line. We have some 98 and 99 owners that have piled on lots of miles and suffered few maladies.. On the flip side; we have owners that are in the process of having their cars rebuilt..
Take your pick or pleasure. I have accumulated 64k miles of Intriguing; 26k in a 98 GLS and the balance in a 99 GLS.. Believe me, the 98 was not a trade-in on the 99.
I also have a Northstar in the garage so I have gone plum-crazy over hi-tech auto engines; funny thing is the resale value lies in the low-tech engines.
Welcome to the club and to think you didn't consult us before Intriguing is a pity. We are here to help and certainly trying our best to straighten out GM..
There was a 2001 Aurora in there for $21,600!!
This dealer is not shy on mark-up; so these are not low-ball pricing.. He has 1, 99 Grand Prix GT with 15k miles for 16,995..
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Why doesn't GM just drop ALL their divisions? Why don't we just drive around in GM Intrigues? Or GM Cateras? Hmmm? Why have a bunch of overlap with their divisions? Get rid of them ALL I say.
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As for the 3.5, it was supposed to go into the upcoming Caddy CTS, but they have decided to upsize the 3.0 Opel v6 to 3.2 instead. As for other divisions getting the 3.5, that is still on track from recent info I have read, but so it keeping the 3800 for those who are hooked on it.
Who cares though, the parts for 3.5 v6's must be around 7-10 years after its demise, per federal regs. I am just happy to have this motor. In fact in addtion to the LX5/3.5L decals I had made (similar to a z28's LT1/5.7L in style and placement) I just added some I had made up that say "Twin cam 24V", small and placed just above the GL emblems. have to advertise to all those asian makes that this is one big dohc v6, not a push rod v6 from 1964 (soory 3800 lovers, just my preferrence).
They had several Z28's and noticed that one of them had Goodyear RSA's. How long have they been doing that? I though it was GA's or the asymmetrical GSC.
They had 3 SS's. Two were white and one was black. I think the black one had the old style ZR1 type wheels which i prefer to the newer 10 spoke.
I pulled into the right lane and got ahead of him. About two miles later he comes up and passes me on the right, just barely squeezin in front of me.
As we are coming up to an overpass I manually shifted into second gear and passed him on the right, then changed lanes at about 60 mph with the car still in second gear. Talk about a glorious noise. It sounded like a NSX, I can only imagine what it would be like with 1415's SLP exhaust.
I changed back into the right lane and looked in my rearview and he was about ten car lenghts back, didn't know what hit him. I slowed down to 50 mph and cruised home. He never did catch back up to me.
This car would be very cool with a six speed.
The camaro with a six speed and this motor would be something else.
As far as problems and noises with the model, I don't deny they exist, but such problems always seemed to get a little magnified in forums. I mean, people that have problems post about them, while people without problems are fat & happy and don't post as much. That's only natural. I saw this to extreme in the Camaro forums. Some people raged about the the engine, brakes, the tranny, the oil pumps, and all sorts of problems that GM was supposed to be covering up or refusing to fix properly. I didn't have these problems, although I can't say they don't exist. It might be that I'm not as sensitive to smaller things that don't greatly affect driveability or reliability. Or maybe I was just lucky.
You do get a heck of a lot for the money with the Intrigue. I'v owned a number of GM cars and seem to keep buying them. By and large I've had pretty good luck. I guess I'm either satisfied or a very slow learner.
yurakem:::::Sorry to hear I got hosed out of $49.95 on the SLP deal, sounds like they are about to discontinue the system..Buick owners are not very wild and most of the 3.8 Intriguers are too peeved at the car to spend another nickel.. SLP didn't realize it fit the 3.5L..
oscarz2::::::Consumers Report is a waste of money as long as I can remember and you just confirmed it; thanks!!!
ketch:::::::Good update on the 01 Intrigue; may you never have a problem.. Your friend only has a 1000 miles on his so the glow is still bright..I thought both of mine were great for the first 1000 miles and then we got acquainted..the honeymoon was short..
dindak::::::How was that for a market day; its funny cause the younger generation really didn't think the market could go down::::only up-up and away. The big board needs to get crunched and maybe we can get GE to $30.00 US.
ghostz : I've had good luck with all of my vehicles. 3 of my last 4 have been GM and I had one Honda in there also. GM service has always been outstanding as far as I'm concerned. My experience with Honda service was horrible. Ya they fixed the car, but they weren't happy about it. I've heard of others with similar experiences. Honda sells well in the Toronto area, it's nice not to have one.
ketch : Glad you are enjoying the 2001.
b4z, I've always said the Intrigue would be great with a five(or six) speed. It wouldn't sell in great numbers, but would certainly develop a cult following similar to how the old style 5 speed SHOs did.
ketch, no offense taken. I have the 3800 in mine and while I think the 3.8 is a great engine and has loads of low end torque, the 3.5 is clearly the better engine for the Intrigue. I've driven several with the 3.5 and it just makes it feel like a totally different car. More lively, more refined, and just more fun. The idea that it's a "baby Aurora" crossed my mind when driving a 3.5 liter Intrigue. The sound is makes at 6000 rpms is so sweet.