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I hope you didn't take the obsolete remark seriously for I am in the same boat.. In fact used Formulas probably hold resale better than Cadillacs..
Just took my wifes Cad in for an oil change/tire rotation and it has traveled 2578 miles since 2/13/01..It's only the second time I had driven it since Feb..The 96 Northstar is still smooth at 56500; in fact I am going to keep it until the end of the 02 model run..I bought the car new and it accumulated about 25k running back and forth to Fla..it doesn't leak any oil; but was down a qt. since Feb change..
The Formula/Z-28 is still gnawing on my mind and I was going to get an 02 Intrigue for old time sakes; just to have something to push up and down the interstate at fun speeds, but I will retire next summer so I could get something crazy..A white Z-28 conv would last me until the nursing home claims me..
I can remember the good days of the 71 SS350 Camaro and the 90K miles of pure fun without any recallable quirks.
have good day..
Was ready to go. Thought about applying all the incentives to get a 2001 Aurora 3.5.
Then I talked to the dealer. Seems the national $2000 incentive wasn't available for an OLds lease.
GMAC considers Olds leases "special financing", an exclusion for the $2k. Then checked on the lease terms. Residuals on 2001 Aurora and Intrigues have been dropped substantaily by GMAC.
Payments are ridiculous. Since my 99 Intrigue payment is $225, I am pretty spoiled. Wont jump $200/mo to drive a newer Intrigue. $300 for the Aurora sounds like Jaguar time to me.
Will have to see what sort of program they have when the 2002's are out.
Olds keeps shooting themselves in the foot with their marketing, well then again they are a division of GM.
The Century isn't a bad buy but it looks cheap in its base versions with the plastic wheel covers and bad gray upholstery. The Monte... what can I say? Another GM design bizarro. The Impala is growing on me but I still think the tail is too high, the side windows not big enough, and an Impala, by definition, is supposed to have 3 taillights per side, not 2. Guess the young pups at GM design never knew that. I still think the Intrigue is the cleanest design of the bunch, and with a little updating in a year or two if it hadn't been cancelled would have really been a winner.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
I did a purchase this time and will never lease again.
Not a bad car, but it will not be missed either.
B4z: I echo your comments...I will never lease a car again. It is a waste of money IMO. The days of Zero down, Zero inception and $300 per month for 36 nos on a new near luxury car are certainly a thing of the past..
The quandary coming up is where will I get the 02 Intrigue serviced..The place where I buy the Olds and Caddies is 60 miles away, and they will send a car down, but it is a hassle. They are also GMC truck.. This service angle is something serious to be considered when taking the last plunge at Olds.. I am sure it reflects in the resale pricing..While I was getting my oil change i just happened to look at the build date on a 01 GL Intrigue in the showroom, the date was 07/00. I heard one of the sales people say that the dark blue was a no-have color, and black was plentiful. I would say they had 25 Auroras on hand and probably 25 Intrigues..
Want to feel good about your car, go to the Deville forum and read the last 20 or so postings..Just a ton of warranty on the 00 and 01 Caddies.. Being an owner of a 96 deville I haven't had anything alarming happen with mine since new, but the newer ones are full of surprises..Getting hung with a $45k lemon is a real bummer..
On the Olds dealer used car lot where I had the oil changed; they had 7 SS Camaros and 2 Trans Ams..With the demise of the F-body after 02; an SS Camaro or the Firebird W-6 should offer some payback in the resale arena after 4 or 5 yrs..
Have to work Thursday--425 mile business run and Friday some meetings in the Motor City area..
9899olds : You ordered an 02 Intrigue? Which trim level/ color?
The dealer hasn't outlined the program as yet with pricing..If they stop the warranty and the approx $3500 off plus the normal 10% off the top to start with--no deal..
As explained in an earlier post the disappearing stand alone dealers close by are a concern. I will buy from my out of town guy; but I like the close at hand dealer in case it upchucks in the driveway..
htwired:::::Why would you want to spend money to not improve the car when you have another 35k miles left in those LSss.. Buy a small plug-in compressor and some of the spray sealer.. Take the savings and get a new set of irons!!!
Don't give the old tires away for the dealer will sell those for $100+ to someone returning a leased car that needs a little more tread showing to avoid a charge back..
Personally I find an individual tire hard enough to balance without the added challenge of another inner structure to ensure "No Flat".
how is the golf game?? I am in a one day Invitational with my son this afternoon at his club.. It will be close to 90 degrees this pm; so just standing around waiting for a shot gets old; but that's life.. few pops afterwards and dinner along with the normal stories and claim to fame..
I think the "fast coasting" may also contribue a bit to the brake problems. I've been accustomed to engine braking my cars in the past. (Manuals and 3 speed transmissions.) I feel like I use my brakes more with the Intrigue.
Someone was talking about the 2003 Regal in Motor Trend. Took a look today at the magazine and from the picture, it almost looks like a Taurus. They also mentioned the car would not have the DOHC 3.4L until 2005. I really hope they don't release this car with the 3800 like they did with Intrigue. If they were smart, they would put the 3.5L in it until the 3.4L is ready. Very sketchy details in the magazine though.
pj1957 - Is your '99 a GX without keyless entry? If so it probably won't work. Check your manual to see if there is a way to program a new fob. Otherwise you will probably have to take it to the dealer to program for a nominal charge. If your car is still under warranty you could try to get away with a story like "it just quit working but the battery is OK" and maybe they will cover it under your bumper-to-bumper. By the way I always see these things for sale on eBay for around $10.
at 30 k service--brakes are fine
? regarding service done--in additon to changing fuel filter, air filter, tire rotaiton etc.. dealer continues to highly reccommend transmission service at 30 not 50, and to replace brake fluid and clean out brake system (cylinder etc....) any comments??
does anyone know if there are luggage racks that can be attatched to the intrigue roof.
Truth of the matter is, if you change your oil every 3,000 miles and you go to the same place to do it (or buy the same brand oil), you become a source of "recurring revenue". Don't believe for a minute that they're telling you to do that because they actually care about you. They can count on you to pay their bills and employees. Take a look at your manual to see when you should be changing it. You may be surprised.
The dealers are no different. GM Corporate is concerned primarily with selling and financing cars. Relative to the dealer, that's where the bulk of their money comes from. The dealer on the other hand, gets most of his money, not from the sale of vehicles but from servicing. Call me crazy but aren't these the same people who tell you things are broken (and you know they aren't) or you need some other servicing less the devil himself comes and yanks the engine right out of your car while cruising on the interstate?
The way I see it is GM has too much to be concerned with legally to advertise 100,000 and 150,000 mile fluids if they only last half as long. Point blank it's false advertisement easily proved, assuming what the dealer says is correct.
To prove I'm not blowing smoke and recommending something I wouldn't do myself, it's pretty much known on this form that I am pushing 81,000 miles on my '98 Intrigue. I have NEVER changed the tranny fluid or coolant (although I do add coolant occasionally to the fill line. After all, it is an oil and does evaporate over time with all the heat). My car shifts like budda' and accelerates smoothly. Except on really, really hot days in high volume stop-n-go city traffic the temp gauge never goes above the halfway mark. And when it does go higher, it stops at the 3/4 mark. Once I leave that high temp environment, it drops back to 1/2.
I'm (perhaps foolishly) going to take GM at their word on this. The long life coolants and oil life monitor (that I follow religiously) are some of the reasons I bought my Intrigue and have GM vehicles on the top of my shopping list despite "refinement" and "quality" issues. Literally, scheduled maintanence has cost me nothing more than the price of oil changes and a $15 jug of DexCool. I don't change the air filter since I spent $45 on a K&N "filter charger".
The only reason I'd perform the 100,000 mile service sooner than recommended in the vehicle documents is so that it won't cost me an arm and a leg to do it all at one time.
The stuff you wrote on oil and trans fluid are incorrect generalizations. If you read your owners manual it says a lot about "different ways people drive their car" (ie:terrain, temperature, stop and go, dusty climate). I would rather buy a used car from someone that changed the oil every 3K than someone that changed it "when the light said"- wouldn't you. If you ever have changed oil you know it comes out a lot different than going in. The lubrication properties are significantly different between new and old oil, otherwise why would you change it at all? I have a friend that does tests on oils for Amoco - and it does matter. In addition if you read your manual - the oil life monitor in our cars does not detect dust in the oil, some people will need to change it before the light. Pull your trans dipstick and wipe it on a clean white cloth I will bet it is grey with contaminants. Going by the book again it says to change it at 50K if you mainly drive in heavy city traffic where the outside temperature is 90 or higher, or in hilly or mountainous terrain,or towing, or delivery vechicle. Who does not meet at least one those criteria- do you never drive up hills or in hot city driving? And why do you trust the GM sales pitch of the service intervals on one hand and not GM Service?
Most people and Mechanics that plan on having a car for a long time follow the 3K oil changes and 50K trans changes it just makes sense.
If you have your car for 100K it will cost you 20 extra oil changes (to do 3K instead of 7.5K intervals)-even if you have someone else change it at 20$ a pop we are talking 400$, money I feel is a good investment.
And the transmission change is under 100$ to have someone else do it.
If you do the work yourself the investment is $250 for oil and trans.
Unless you get a new car every couple of years it is money well spent.
I never change fluids in the cars because most of the mileage is piled on quickly and the 100k miles really isn't a big deal. I do Caddies because they are usually kept for 5yrs. The other cars are 2 to 3yr deals.. In the old days I went through a car every 18 mos max..
At oil change time the service person is told to not bother tire pressure or grease the door hinges/strikers..They can make a mess throwing grease..
htwired::::The 845s are long overdue to be phased out; but I don't think it would help my game, just flatten my wallet..The one day Invitational yesterday was OK; too much partying afterwards..Low score in our foursome was 77; wasn't me..We came in third..
Chugged to mid-Ohio today for 400 miles in 90 degree heat and the 3.5 temp gauge stays below halfway on the highway or in town..The gas mileage wasn't too great at 26.75..Gas in parts of Ohio is down to 1.219 for the 87 octane..Filled the Caddy with Shell prem in mich on Tuesday and price was 1.729..
The 99 Intrigue has an internal filler door release on the dashboard..
lss1:::::No warped rotors as yet???? I assume you have a 3.5 engine..Mine just passed 45k today and the 3.5 hasn't required or demanded anything..I assume my time is coming for a crankshaft sensor, alternator, battery, water pump, and steering pump..
bz4 and teo::::Need an Impala update!!
I brought my wifes car into the dealer last week for an oil change and the guy tried to tell me I needed a brake cleaning. Does anyone know anything about this? If the pads don't need changing, why touch the brakes at all?
I can go past 2500 miles with the valvoline.
Change your oil at 3000 miles it is cheap insurance. Synthetics are not worth the extra cost.
But am enjoying the solid body and no creaks so far.
Personally I find that the 3k/3-months intervals seem to come way too quickly.
As for the air filters, I've already past 25 K miles. I always changed them around 30-35K miles for past cars. Have you ever done it yourself in the Intrigue? Is it difficult? Maybe I should change it this weekend.
But each of those times, the master cylinder would not hold pressure, and I had to get it replaced. I suspect putting in new fluid loosens up grime, which had been previously settled into nooks and crannies of the brake system. Possibly the grime was helpful by keeping weak spots sealed up...? Or maybe the mechanics damaged the master cylinder while bleeding the brakes?
Well, I don't know if the moral is to change the brake fluid more often, or just never change it until something happens to necessitate doing it!
;-)
Unfortunately, it was.
Two young, drunk punks came barrelling down my street and slammed into the left rear quarter panel of my Intrigue parked on the side street. The tail lights are now behind the left rear passenger, the trunk doesn't open, and--worst of all--the right tire is on a 45 degree angle. Think of the end of the movie "Back to the Future" when the Delorian's wheels turned under the car and you have a pretty good idea of what it looks like.
I'm certain the insurance company will total the car. You'd need a seriously large mallet to bang it back into shape.
For those concerned about crash protection, the car did not "fall apart" as someone said. If occupants were in the car (it was parked), they would have been fine.
There is a good side to this. The car should get paid off (I hope) and I can get another car. This afternoon I checked out the Regal GS and Intrigue GL (non-PCS) and the Intrigue is the clear winner in the fun to drive, handling dept. The GS would have made an excellent highway cruiser and it was quieter than the Intrigue. The Regal soaked up rough pavement better. But the best overall driving experience (for me) was provided by the Intrigue.
On top of that, my rental car is a 2001 Envoy with 44 miles on the odometer. Ladies and gentlemen, that is one beautiful machine. Extremely smooth suspension and engine. It's a little rough for a fella 6'8" to get in but once positioned it's not bad. The seats are not something I would want to drive for long periods. The seatbacks are flat and ditto for the seat bottom. After being used to instant direction changes in the Intrigue the Envoy felt like driving a bus when turning the corner.
Overall, I really like it. It feels exactly like a luxury car on the road. I can only imagine that the Bravada is even nicer.
Keep you informed on what happens and on what car I get next, if any. We don't need a second car but it sure is convenient to have. I suppose a financial advisor would tell me to stay a one car family. But that's no fun :-)
When those two punks sober up maybe I can bring my car over for some street parking.. Beats having to beat the dealer up on trade-in value..
Get the PCS equipped Intrigue and let the 3.5 stretch alittle..
The 3.29 axle is the winner!!!! trust me, don't forget, I have had two of these devils.
I'm still trying to figure out what other car I will consider. The Intrigue is on the top of my list. I won't consider the Grand Prix or Impala because I want automatic climate control. My problem is that either the cars don't have auto A/C or they're a bore to drive or I simply can't fit.
Maybe you can bring yours up before they sober. That way it'll be certain get smashed