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  • redly_oneredly_one Member Posts: 122
    I've had this occur a few times. It's very unsettling. I try not to hammer on it any more from a stand still. You may want to check your tranny fluid, see if it is discolored or stinky. Best of luck!
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    one2one : I'm glad you weren't hurt. Always the most important thing. It's funny, when our Grand Prix was totalled I was sure it was a right off. I was right. We looked at the Intrigue in 97 when we bought the GP, but opted for the GP as the Intrigue was a first year car then. I was so excited to get a second chance at an Intrigue (with the 3.5L to boot). Still happy more than a year later. BTW.. I'm a financial advisor (and also a car lover) and I say 2 is ALWAYS better than 1.

    ;-)
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    Don't save the car; if it under warranty get it fixed, pronto! It may be that prior to the shift cycle you let up on the gas and it started to hunt for the shift point. To vibrate in the cycle is not acceptable or normal..

    bz4:::::sounds like your new wheels is keeping you content and free of worry. Your oil change schedule is great, mine is everytime it is down a qt., so it's around 2500 max..Using the dealer choice, low bidder type goo and it is Valvoline..Nothing high-tech..

    Somebody mentioned air filters--Intrigue 3.5 installed $12.45 and Cadillac Northstar $8.45.. for those prices I sure wouldn't get my hands dirty screwing around with it..

    I stopped at a new Chevrolet dealer today right after I had the car washed.. In New Baltimore right off the freeway. Super-looking operation and they are closed on Saturdays; but I am looking for Zs and SSs. They had 2 SSs and the coupe had $3200 worth of extras with a center mounted performance exhaust recessed into the rear bumper for 1100 of the total.. The balance was in different wheels and ultra performance tires..I pass this outfit on the 43 mile drive to the golf course and this facility is only about 8 mos old on 15 acres..

    See where one of the owners on your Impala forum is experiencing cupped tires..FWD cars with soft rear suspensions struts--long travel stroke to deliver the limo ride will flat spot tires.. RWD cars will flat spot/cup front tires due worn components; rear tires of RWD cars do not flat spot..I assume the std Impala has the rear suspension promoting the soft ride..

    We know the Intrigue does not flat spot tires on the front or rear; at least I know from my two time experience..I am through rotating the current tires for they will stay in place until replacement. They were rotated every 6k and they have been in place for 12k now w/o any signs of cupping. Continual high speed kills the ordinary FWD tire wear.. Detroit's std suspension setups are totally worthless so no car is equipped with speed rated tires unless it comes with upgraded suspension components..

    The Intrigue and the GTP are the only two W body cars where the speed rated tires are offered from the factory as a option or std equip.. The Buick GS has no PCS type option or speed-rated tires available..The SC Ultra Buick and the SC Riv were never equipped with any decent suspension systems allowing speed rated tires..The SC Riv chews up rear tires when sujected to steady 75+ cruising..

    Some of the best suspensions were on the Pontiac X bodies equipped the heavy duty setup and the old beam rear axle. The STEs and the SEs would do the 100k easy on original shocks/struts..
  • jg28jg28 Member Posts: 257
    I have a GX, so it didn't come equipped with a passenger compartment air filter. Can I buy one and stick it in anyway? Or are there special clips or something that hold in in? Maybe you know vc?
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    If you buy an SS or a Z28 you will find out about their wearing the rear tires in the center. It is unavoidable.
  • swagledswagled Member Posts: 195
    We've been over this a couple of times already, but if you haven't noticed, there is another topic on Edmunds with over 700 posts in it, about engine sludge. The basic question being: "Do we believe the owners' manuals which say you can drive a car 5-7000 miles between changes?"

    Personally, I'm erring on the side of caution with my Intrigue. Maybe I can get 7-8000 miles by the computer, and GM has done all the research needed to prove this is a safe interval.

    Maybe GM just wants the car to have no problems during the warranty period, but doesn't give a hang what condition it is in after 100,000 miles.

    At any rate, I figure a change every 6000 (all-highway) or 5000 (mixed driving) should be good enough. Oil is better than it was in the days of 3000 mile changes, and the Intrigue does have a 6 quart oil pan, so there is lots of it to go through.

    I think this is a calculation which is more important to owners than leasers. If you plan to drive your car for a decade, you will care what condition the engine is in at 100K miles and probably should change the oil a bit more often, just to be safe. As another poster said, oil is cheap insurance compared to the cost of replacing your car.

    I've owned my Mazda for 9 years. The manual recommended every 5 thousand, and I changed it every 4. The oil didn't look too bad at 4-- but that engine has made it to 257,000 miles, and it still runs on 87 octane.

    Heck, my 1974 Plymouth at 153,000 miles ran OK with 89 octane, and I changed that evey 3 thousand miles... 1970's Chryslers didn't have much of a quality reputation, but frequent oil changes still seemed to help!
  • htwiredhtwired Member Posts: 62
    I have been using mobil one which I buy on sale at Target. I have dealer perform oil change at 6000 mile interval and also rotate tires. Cost of mobil one may be a few extra dollars but it save me time of one extra oil change per year and I consider mobil one to be cheap insurance, also helps with Wisconsin cold weather starting. 9899Olds, I wouldn't recommend any specific golf club but try out true temper dynalite regular flex golf shafts. They are accurate and much lighter than true temper dynamic gold. They have helped me generate additional clubhead speed.
  • white6white6 Member Posts: 588
    on oil change intervals. I change every 6 months or 5,000 miles, whichever comes first. My Dakota only goes about 5 or 6 thousand miles a year, so it gets a change every 6 months, as will the Formula since it will probably only be driven 8 to 10 thousand per year. The Intrigue gets it every 5,000 miles, which equates to about every 4 months. I office at home; my wife (Intrigue driver) commutes 50 miles per day to work. Changed the fuel filter on the Intrigue this morning. Finally found the sucker; it was back by the gas tank. After swapping in the new one I ran my traditional high-tech test on the old one and blew through it with my mouth. Definitely had some resistance; should have virtually none. Little over 46,000 miles on this fuel filter. Funny, they don't ever mention this as a regular maintenance item in the owners manual. If nothing else perhaps I reduced the strain on the fuel pump. If you have ever priced a fuel pump on one of this jewels, you would do everything you could to make it's life as easy as possible.
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    My only reason for 2500/3000 changes is based on the higher end cruising plus the consumption factor. I have it changed when is down a qt..Air cleaner is 25k level.

    bz4:::::No more Intrigues, service is the factor for I am afraid that the Intrigue is the oddball and I sure don't need to end up at a Buick dealer because the three near my home are worthless; having been down the road with three Buicks..Service is something one should not be concerned about when buying a new car and the present Olds demise isn't addressing the situation except that they will have plenty of parts on hand to run for many years..

    This situation arose last week when I took the car to a Olds dealer for an oil change..In the last thirty days this place is ratty-looking, dirty, and one service writer left.. Employees are leaving; I don't blame them for their jobs are going down the tube..

    Since most dealers haven't been through this kind of phase-out to the final bloody end; owners will find out that employees aren't going to help them reach their final hour by holding hands and weeping. The dealerships run by the smart ones are gone and the ones left are truly losers. The stand alone dealer is a dead duck and the multi line ones may not be able to support the frills of the past in the style of yore..

    The Chevy dealer is a truck stop with a limited line of wheels for the car crowd.. The Camaro is also about to be chopped in another 12 months; so its grunt time..

    No non-domestic for this person..If it ain't Big 3; then I can't discuss it, for somebody will not be happy.. Ain't misbehaving!!!!

    htwired:::::thanks for the shaft news..Our member/member tournment wasn't exciting this year. Didn't place well; however it is always fun to be able to be survive to relive the good shots and deny the others..
  • oscarz2oscarz2 Member Posts: 153
    How's the suspension? Still considering strut alternatives? I am but feel it's too early as I only have 14K on my ride (I live close to work).

    Did you not have steering issues in the past? What were the symptoms? Mine is groaning now at very slow speeds. Not audible but I can feel it. GM said "no fix".
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    At 45k the struts are good; so not considering any replacement..Had steering problems with the 98; two gears and a ISS. Had the ISS replaced on the 99 at around 20k; did nothing to stop front end noise..

    At 14k yours is new!!!!My plan is to hang on to the Intrigue until I decide what to buy next..considering a wild ride.
  • swagledswagled Member Posts: 195
    I'd wondered where the fuel filter for the Intrigue was... it did seem odd the service manual doesn't mention it. Could the Olds warranty being 36K back then have something to do with it? Hmmm...

    I was replacing mine every 20K or so on my Mazda. All it takes is one really filthy "independent" station to gum it up! (I learned a long time ago to stick with reputable, brand name gas stations.) It's easy to access it on the Mazda, so replacing it regularly was no big deal.

    I'm assuming the Intrigue is not one of those cars with two filters? On Subarus, for example, there is a fuel filter in the back, AND one in the engine bay.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    I wish the owner's manual listed replacement intervals for things like belts, hoses, fuel filters, PCV valves, etc. The Haynes manuals I've owned in the past are pretty good about listing the intervals for things like this. Anyone seen a Haynes or Chilton for the Intrigue?
  • lindseylindsey Member Posts: 41
    In short, they liked it. They liked it alot. Read about it here.
  • infinia1infinia1 Member Posts: 174
    per my just received motor trend..."want to buy one of the last oldsmobiles to come off the assembly line? here are the end dates for its models: the intrigue's last year is 02, which will also be the signoff for the short-lived aurora v6. the alero and silhouette dissapear after 04, and the aurora v8 is gone after 05. the just launched bravada is scheduled for as far out as 07, but will serve post-05 wearing another badge-probably buick." so sad...
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Those dates sounds fairly consistent with what I have read in the past. You got to figure the price of the V8 Aurora might come down when the V6 disappears. I wonder if they will have a 03 Intrigue as promised? They could build a short year of them in 2002.
    --

    RE: Oil changes. I am doing them with in a week of the oil light coming on. Seem to get about 8-10k kms between lights. I trust the sensor.
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    Looks like the long termer has 18000 miles w/o a hitch..

    People should be lined up to buy..

    I love the fit and finish spiel by our testers..

    They must QS-9000 certified!!!!

    sorry for the outburst, but the holiness of some mags is puzzling..Sounds like a signal to the other guys that they are still #1..

    The Aurora has dismal sales and they are going to hold it to the end..

    Enjoying life as only a happy owner can....
  • redly_oneredly_one Member Posts: 122
    http://www.teamsr.org/news/sonata.html


    Check out the rear view...look familiar. Hell, look at the front view too. Oldsmocedes Wait, side view. Mitsuoldsmocedes

  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    The Korean's are notorious for ripping of designs. This is typical. I can't believe people buy these things. Kind of reminds me of Calvin Clone jeans.
  • jgriffjgriff Member Posts: 362
    Its just too bad Olds did not come out of the gate in 98 with their 2000 version [in terms of quality], aggressive MSRP pricing [not discounts], and a more upscale 48mo/50k warranty.

    I think a longer warranty period would have given people the feeling that at least Olds felt more confidence with their own products. I know a lot of people were very dismayed and puzzled when the Aurora dropped to 36/36.

    Then once Olds established themselves as a leader and a contender, then the could have rise the MSRP a little. Seems now, the whole thing is backasswards.

    Just my 02 cents.

    Greens and fairways for all you ball chasers.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    GM likes to aim high with MSRP, and hope the models will be popular enough so that people will pay it. They seldom are, and they end up having to discount the cars to move them. Look at the Catera - a $5000 rebate is just ridiculous. They really need to revise their pricing strategy.
  • white6white6 Member Posts: 588
    change evidently made a difference. My wife came home last night and immediately mentioned that the Intrigue seemed to accelerate noticeably better; shifted into fourth quicker, is what she said. I think that was a good $14 investment. I sure hope this car goes on and on. We really like pretty much everything about it. Great performance/economy compromise; good handling/ride compromise; good styling/space compromise. We took the Formula to her family reunion on Saturday; then drove the Intrigue to my family get-together Saturday night. As soon as we pulled out of the garage (with her in the driver's seat) she let out a sigh, "auuhh, back in MY car..."
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    The Intrigue was well priced in my view, at least here in Canada. Similarly eqiuped Impala LS would have been almost the same price as my Intrigue GL. While GM pricing could use some fixing, Intrigue was fairly priced in terms of it's w-body cousins and this is in spite of it having a more expensive DOHC engine.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    I remember the 3.5L model was priced about $500 more than the 3.8L model.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    If the intrigue had been priced a $1000 less at the start olds would still be around, they would have also put forth some effort on suspension problems, there would habe been an uprated version of the 3.5 and there would be a next generation intrigue in the pipeline.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    I wouldn't say Olds would still be around had the Intrigue been priced $1000 less. Even if it were priced $3000 less they probably would have encountered the same fate. I think lack of advertising and making their models too "young" is what killed Olds.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    The cars were fine. Lack of advertising is what killed Intrigue. Alero sales have always been good. You see them everywhere.
  • dwgdwg Member Posts: 43
    I'd recognize the mixture of intrigue and golf commentary anywhere. Hope things are going well for you 9899olds.

    dwg
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    The Intrigue is doing better than the golf game..

    Interclub tournment starting Friday thru Sunday where the first day is in the Port Huron area. Since I haven't seen my selling Olds,GMC, and Caddy dealer since Feb, I shall stop by for a chit-chat letting them know of my decision to not buy an 02 Intrigue..

    They are super people and have treated my concerns well; but the lack of any good service closeby is gone.. This dealership is 60 miles from the house..
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I thought you ordered an '02 Intrigue? I'm confused.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    Remember, he ordered an '01 Aurora too and decided not to buy it. Maybe he's doing the same with the '02 Intrigue.
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    Can't order anything until the dealer knows what the program is going to be, costs, rebates,and warranty..

    I did order a 4.0, all the goodies and when it came in, I was called; wife said no way because she didn't think it was a nice-looking car so she got to keep her Caddy..I wasn't enthused for the damn thing depreciates quicker than a Cadillac which has a sick resale value..

    The car was sold in 5 days; Diamond White with a light interior, chromes, sunroof, and Bose..

    I have been down the Intrigue highway, and at my age the Z-28 suddenly appeals for it will be a dead puppy after next year. Big V-8s in our political climate will be a thing of the past so I plan to hop on the band wagon. My serious days of working will come to an end by 6/30/02; maybe sooner, who knows. I am a manufacturers rep; self employed so if the principals get fed-up with paying me, then I could be history..I am under contract so who cares what I drive; in fact the Automotive end goes for the sporty deals.. The other phase of business doesn't care as long as their prices are low, quality high and delivered on time!!!

    You realize if somebody gave me sweetheart deal on a 02 Intrigue; maybe I could be swayed. I have had the SSs and the Z-Camaros before; so I realize what they will do and the current is a red-hot cruiser.
  • jg28jg28 Member Posts: 257
    Does anyone know if any special modifications must be made to an Intrigue that didn't come standard with a passenger compartment air filter? I've heard you can just buy one and drop it in.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Member Posts: 1,110
    I haven't had time to check the filter, your best bet is to spend the time opening it up and seeing what you've got like the GP owners did. I would imagine like them you will find a nice spot to fit the filters found in the GL/GLS. I'm an open window/sunroof driver, I don't use my AC more than 20 hours a year so I'm not too concerned with the filter.
  • redly_oneredly_one Member Posts: 122
    9899olds-
    I work with a guy who just purchased a '00 Camaro SS with the SLP package, inc. 6-speed tranny. Wow, what a blazing ride. If you are getting the itch to go down the Camaro route, I say DO IT!! If I didn't have a 15 mo old and another on the way, I'd be right beside you at the dealership.

    Another co-worker managed to get GMS pricing on a sweet '01 hardtop Vette. What a beauty! He is trying to claim he got 31MPG on the way back from New York! Musta been [non-permissible content removed]-footing it! Gotta love the american V-8. Shame it's only going to be available in only 1 car and to truck drivers after next year!
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Unfortunately I'm in the same boat. I have a 7 month old and another one is likely in a year or two. If I was still single, I'd be hanging out in a different area, that's for sure. There is a leasing company around the corner from my office that always has 2-4 new Corvettes sitting on the lot. I could not afford one, but I would love to get a '68 Vette.
  • one2oneone2one Member Posts: 626
    Confirmed on Tuesday, the 'ol '98 Intrigue with 81,000 miles is offically totalled. So, I decided to be modern and search for my next car on-line. I used Cars.com which makes life a little easier. They have a comments section that I used to explain what I would pay for the car. In a nutshell, I told them what the invoice price was prior to and after the 3% holdback and said I would be willing to pay up to $500 over invoice for the car. Here's one of the responses:

    "Thank you for your interest in our new 2002 GMC Envoy, here at Fred Beans
    Cadillac Buick Pontiac GMC. My name is Robert Gilson and I am the E-Commerce
    Coordinator. We are committed to providing our Internet consumers with a
    simple, efficient and enjoyable purchase. Moreover, here at Fred Beans
    Cadillac Buick Pontiac GMC you can be assured of receiving the premier service
    in the Doylestown area.

    Unfortunately, that particular vehicle is not currently available. Your
    internet price is $800.00 over dealer invoice."


    $800 over invoice? I don't think so. However, if he did have the car I wanted, I would have taken him up on his offer. But he would definitely have to give up some freebies. But since he doesn't, it's a mute point. Still waiting to see what the others say.

    There is a dealer I will probably get the car from but he isn't a participating dealer with Cars.com. I was in the showroom and he had a GLS w/PCS package, Bose and pinstripe. Had a sign on the car offering $25,000+ change. Ran the numbers and they seem right on the money. Good chance I won't have to haggle over price with them.

    My strategy going into dealerships in person is to have the invoice price (including holdback) down in writing and haggle only over the profit. That way there are no games, they'll know I'm not the average buyer and I save myself time. Also going in with my own financing.

    Let you know how things go. Will probably wind up with another Intrigue.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    one2one - Have you looked at the Catera? $5000 rebate is attractive. Combined with your $1000 Olds loyalty bonus you might be able to get a pretty good deal.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Sorry to hear about the 98. Always sad to see a car go. I remember my 98 Grand Prix in the wreck yard looking completely pathetic. It was probably scrap metal a few weeks later.

    I wish I had a better sales man at my local lot. I ended up buying my Intrigue at a dealer in my home town because the lady there is one of those strait forward kind of sales people. I paid about $900 over Canadian invoice back in March 2000. The deals were not very sweet then. Got 4.9% financing over 5 years. Only 3 1/2 to go!

    The GLS you are looking at sounds sweet. Do you get the 5 year warranty with that? What color is it?
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    The trim over my front doors is starting to move towards the rear doors again. This is the second time this has happened, and I guess the dealer didn't properly fix it before. Anyone know what the permanent fix is? I've got to take it in before the doors start sticking.
  • one2oneone2one Member Posts: 626
    Actually, I'm checking out a Midnight Blue GL with leather and spoiler as the only options. Not too many GL's in blue left let alone w/PCS. I just used the GLS info they had to see how hard I'd have to work to get a deal on the car I really want. I really want PCS but a GLS comes with things I don't want to pay for (sunroof--head can't take it, faux wood trim--plan on putting my own "real" wood in, OnStar--nice to have but don't really want it). The options it has that I do want are: spoiler, chrome wheels, and of course, PCS.

    According to the Intrigue web site the 5/60 is good on all Oldsmobiles as long as delivery is taken by 10/1/02. So there's plenty of time. I really would like to wait for an '02. But doesn't appear that I will last that long. Plus, it doesn't (as yet) come in Midnight Blue or another color similar.

    redline65:: I did drive the Catera at the MotorTrend/Cadillac Drive & Decide. The only problem is that at 6'8" the comfort level goes way down.
  • swagledswagled Member Posts: 195
    Not for me. I think you really do need to examine and test drive a car before buying it. Even with full guarantees, who wants to take a car back to have problems fixed? It's a time consuming hassle. Shopping and negotiating and financing a car take enough time.

    If you read the threads carefully where the automotive salespeople write, you'll see that the Internet sales do not squeeze comissions to the bare minimum. After all is said and done, and the numbers are totaled, you will pay a small premium for the convenience of avoiding the "lot guys".

    A car is too major a purchase to leave anything to chance that you could have controlled or avoided. Do it the old fashioned way, as far as test driving and negotiating. (But certainly use the internet to do research... to find the car that's equipped as you want, and to get the skinny on the latest rebates and salesman spiffs.)
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    Sorry to hear about your intrigue. I have been very happy with the impala. Lots of legroom and more backseat room that the intrigue.

    Found out yesterday that all of my tires were underinflated. handling is now closer to the intrigue without the impact harsheness. It still doesn't have the quick reflexes that the intrigue has.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Ya.. that's why I got a GL. I also didn't want to pay for the leather though I wouldn't mind it. Sounds like a nice car though. I'm most jealous!
  • 9899olds9899olds Member Posts: 202
    one2one::::::99 GLS, Black, grey leather interior, chromes, sunroof, and spoiler..Mint condition, garaged every night, nonsmoker, SLP exhaust, and 45k miles on a lovely 3.5 which has never complained. Approx 16 oil changes. Car stickered at $27,200..driven by a senior citizen.

    The Detroit dealers have a decent selection..

    Fire Sale at my place!!!!
  • tpkentpken Member Posts: 1,108
    Have you tried Bergey's over in Soudertown off 309? I stay in the area monthly on biz and check out car dealers in my evening hours. That dealership seems very friendly and have all sorts of brands - pretty sure they have the GMC and may have Olds as well.

    Ken
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    Funny thing about the trim above the door. I called the dealer to schedule my service and told the service rep I needed to bring my car in for some warranty work. He asked what was wrong and I told him the trim above the door is moving towards the rear. He asked "Do you have an Intrigue?" before I even told him what kind of car I had. He said they are using some sort of glue to permanently affix the trim.
  • wmatystiwmatysti Member Posts: 15
    redline65-- Exactly what problem are you experiencing? My 2000 GLS doors stick on the front passenger side and is starting to stick a little on my side too. I went to the dealer RE the passenger door and I thought it was fixed until it started sticking again. So now I'm assuming all they did was spray some silicon lube around the trim which I did a few times. It only lasts for a few weeks though. How is your dealer going to fix it? (they knew nothing about "glue") I want to be able to go in there and tell my guy what to do.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    when the trim along the top of the door moves far enough back that it comes into contact with the trim on the rear door is when you will start experiencing the sticking. Right now mine isn't sticking, but the trim is getting close to the rear trim. The last time I had it fixed I think they just hammered it back into place. I'm using another dealer now, and they said GM is instructing the service departments to use glue to permanently affix it. I'm sure there is a service bulletin on this, but I don't know where to find it.
  • one2oneone2one Member Posts: 626
    I agree it's not all it's cut out to be. So far all I've gotten have been form emails telling me how much they value me as a customer and want to "talk" to make sure I have the options and colors I want and, of course, price. It's just another high-tech way to get sales leads. The dealers contacting you are local and you do get to drive before buying. So far, the best one I've come across is CarsDirect.com. You get see both invoice and sticker and the "Carsdirect" price which is usually pretty good and includes any publicly advertised rebates. Plus, that price is locked in. That's what should be on the paperwork when you get to the dealer (less taxes, tags and any local add-ons). I'm waiting to hear back from my credit union before making any moves. I'm not walking into a dealership until I have my financing secured.


    b4z::: I actually like the exterior styling of the Impala. The single biggest thing holding me back from looking at it is automatic climate control. I had it in my '89 New Yorker and got spoiled and haven't had it since. I took the Grand Prix off my shopping list for the same reason. Plus, I've been itching to have the 3.5 engine since before it came out.


    9899olds::: Thanks for the offer ;-) But I had a grey interior in the old Intrigue. I'm looking to brighten things up this time around. A friend of mine liked the Silver Mist... said it gave the car a futuristic look. I thought so too (in a good way).


    tpken::: I am familiar with them and am about 10-15 minutes away from 309 (depending on traffic). But there are a few dealers closer that I will hit.

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