Mercedes-Benz C-Class Sedans

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  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
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  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    dennett,

    I was checking over November posts and found yours re chipping.

    What did you finally do to resolve the chipping problems on your red car? Did you get a red bra :)? I know you were not keen on the invisible ones. Did you use the Zaino process?

    My new C320 will be Obsidien Black as opposed to Black. I just found myself unable to break the addiction to Black after all. It is being built as we speak.

    Miki
  • dennettdennett Member Posts: 332
    We missed you at Friday Freeway. As far as the chips, I've just quit looking!! We've got 2 recent chips, probably1/4-1/2 circular ones on the lower front bumper, and about 12-15 very small- no one even can see them but me-on the front hood. I didn't do anything, no zaino process is going to keep chips from happening, but it will keep dark, especially black cars looking awesome. I use Meguires Gold series stuff, it's what Mercedes repackages as MB brand. From what I've heard the invisible bra would've been great if it were put on when the car was new. If you go that route, find someone to install it, and have them do before you even drive it off the lot! You'll be so mad at yourself if you make the appt to have it done, and then get a chip before it happens. My hood chips are tiny, maybe the wife followed a load of sand too close LOL!! Don't tell her I said that!
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    Sorry to have missed the Friday Freeway. I won't be able to make Tuesday either.

    >As far as the chips, I've just quit looking!!

    I am already training these eyes to look elsewhere, too. I have been looking for someone who might be able to install an invisible bra. Don't want to pick a name out of the yellow pages -- it should be a referral by a person who is satisfied with an installation methinks.

    Anyone know how I can find a good installer in the vicinity of West Los Angeles? If I have to drive too far, I might get chipped :)

    Miki
  • dennettdennett Member Posts: 332
    I'd think your dealer could help in finding an installer. I've heard that guys who install window tent have the experience needed to do the install. Maybe you know somebody who has had their windows tinted who could rec their guy? I'm sure there's somebody here who can point you in the right direction. There's a couple of guys talking about this very issue for new Cs at the mbworld.com forum go check it out, there's a bunch info and links. Let me know if you can't find it, I'll get you the exact link.
  • dennettdennett Member Posts: 332
    http://mbworld.org/forum/w203/board/home.html

    It's the thread about invinsa-shield
  • lepinlepin Member Posts: 13
    3 days ago I picked up my C320 with C2 ,C4, Xen, full leather and CD changer. It's brilliant silver and it looks great!!!
    Love the Xen headlights. They look cool and are really bright at night. Heated seats are great also. No problem so far but brakes are squealing. Paid full MSRP but got free CD changer.
  • tomc240tomc240 Member Posts: 3
    I just pick up my c-240 yesterday, I check the trunk can open or not?It OK. but today 3-9-2001,the trunk can not open by remote and I can hear the tick tick noise from inside somewhere in dash broad, that is after 20 min. driving. I don't know why? my car mileage only 40!
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    dennett,

    Thank you so much for the MB World link. There are several links there for the invisible bra. I see it is recommended that it be installed by a professional body shop. That points me in the right direction. I will call my body shop for info or perhaps when the car is delivered, the dealer will recommend someone who can do it then. I will advise if I come across anything important.

    I cannot imagine how the paint under the bra stays the same color as the rest of the car or how you wax over it. Or why it does not accumulate stuff in corners or seams. Methinks the secret is a good installation.

    Wonder why my doors get the chips more than the bumpers.

    Again, thank you, thank you.

    Miki
  • dennettdennett Member Posts: 332
    I really think the door chips you have are flukes, I have none of those, nor anywhere else, just where you'd expect them around the nose. I have never heard of anybody else getting chips on their doors, except from shopping carts/other car doors, but yours came that way? Are you getting a new C320 to replace this one with the bad paint? Glad the link helped!
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    Miki:
    If you use regular carnauba wax, it does tend to accumulate on the edges. There are a few brands that don't do this like Blitz One Grand and S100. If you use polymer polish like Zaino, you also won't have a problem.
    The paint underneath ages the same way because the bra lets UV rays through...
  • w2p2w2p2 Member Posts: 63
    went to clair parts and they do not sale the extra magazines for the cd changer. anyone know where to pick one up?
  • nankynanky Member Posts: 75
    I just found out some Costco participating MB dealers are offering courtesy discounts on the C's. A dealer I spoke to yesterday in the LA area is offering about $300 off. Considering the price of the car, it's not a significant discount and may vary from dealer to dealer. So, for all yee interested Costco members, look into it if interested. Costco.com will give you a list of participating dealers in your area.
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    Clair does have them. They don't list everything on their web site.
    Give them a call...
  • zmeenowzmeenow Member Posts: 341
    i had called clairparts to find the price of the cd magazines... difference of about$2.. so i jut bought them at my mb dealer for $25..
    just got back from my first"a" service.. asked them(prestige motors paramus nj) if they could do the tire rotation at no charge... he told me that the freebe was at 15,000..went to talk to the service manager... returns saying "uhhhh didnt you say you had a little shimmy in the front end?"(he was smirking)no,,,,oh! yesssss!!!!!... so they did it as a front end shimmy problem.. no charge... its nice when a business is willing to bend the rules just a bit... for the sake of customer service! ;))so.. got home... lathered the "black beauty"up in a zaino bath... and VOILA'
    just like new!
    "
  • nankynanky Member Posts: 75
    I just found out some Costco participating MB dealers are offering courtesy discounts on the C's. A dealer I spoke to yesterday in the LA area is offering about $300 off. Considering the price of the car, it's not a significant discount and may vary from dealer to dealer. So, for all yee interested Costco members, look into it if interested. Costco.com will give you a list of participating dealers in your area.
  • nankynanky Member Posts: 75
    There are quite a few products on the Zaino site. Which one do you use?
  • zmeenowzmeenow Member Posts: 341
    i got what they told me was the basic starter products z1,2,5.and polish..before you buy,,call them.. they will answer all questions... including why they recommend washing car with dish detergent 1st time before applying their product.it does NOT ruin the paint one time only! removes wax so that the zaino product will coat the car evenly.
  • nankynanky Member Posts: 75
    There are quite a few products on the Zaino site. Which one do you use?
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    dennett,

    I have always been concerned that the paint had been damaged and more prone to chips because of all that was done to it. Following is explanation.

    Since my car was not detailed properly at delivery, all the scratches, flaws and paint lumps were pretty evident to me after I got it home and out of the dealer lights. I think I mentioned in a post that I drove the car 90 miles on its maiden voyage with 44lbs of air in each of the tires, which is the amount used for shipping. In the weeks that followed and in attempts to improve the paint surface, the car was buffed and polished four times in five weeks by the dealer. It was during one of these occasions that the first two door chips were found and touched up, but they were not there at delivery.

    The last polish was extraordinary and something special was used to eliminate the swirls and the scratches. The car does indeed have a wet look and sparkles like a jewel. I asked what they used and was told they had a specialist there, who rubbed something over the car to fill in swirls and scratches.

    During aforementioned last polish, however, I brought the car home with large flakes of black paint, white on the bottom, clinging to the car. I was concerned the clear coat had been damaged, but the MB rep went over the car with a tool that measured paint thickness and told me nothing was damaged. I don't recall their doing it on the door.

    New question: I was always quick to touch up the rare chip on my former car because I was told that rust gets under the paint if it is exposed. Is this still true? My touch ups always looked good -- I used the soft end of a paper match to apply paint, used a gentle rubbing compound to blend it in, and then put a little wax on the spot.

    One of your questions, Dennett, I cannot answer at this time. :)
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    Kenyee,

    I do remember your statements about the carnauba accumulating at the edges and the UV rays getting through to allow paint to age as rest of car -- they appeared in your product review on your web site. I guess I am concerned that if the installation is not 200% perfect, some moisture could accumulate under the material and cause harm. I have had a process done to my windows at home that allows the sun to come through, but not the harmful UV rays. If it is not done perfectly, it will lift away from the window and cause moisture to gather.

    Do you know if Meguiar is a carnauba wax? Can your invisible bra ever be removed and if so, would the paint be intact?

    I appreciate your help and apologize for shooting more questions at you.

    miki
  • sirus32sirus32 Member Posts: 55
    Does anyone know if the factory producing Cs runs 7 days a week? My C240 build date is March 10th-20th. The dealership says it will take 4-6 weeks after production before I can expect delivery in Minnesota.

    Can those of you who have taken delivery share your car's production to delivery time line?

    I'm traveling to my parents for Easter and was hoping it would be my first road trip with my new C.

    Thanks.
  • rugbugrugbug Member Posts: 7
    Put my down payment today on a C240 White/Jave, Auto, C2, CD, Bose. Think I got a good deal for a lease @ $480.00 month for 36/12,000. Should be getting my car mid to end of June. Would like to thank everyone for their answers to my posts. I will be visiting here more ofter and hope to contribute more after I become a real driver.

    RugBug
  • jayonejayone Member Posts: 25
    Hey Congrats! I recently leased a c320 and was comparing prices with A C240. Was wondering if your payments included tax and what down payment did you provide. Thanks I would like to compare notes...
  • jayonejayone Member Posts: 25
    Actually I would appreciate it if anyone who chose to lease their new C would like to compare prices..THANKS
  • zmeenowzmeenow Member Posts: 341
    when i picked up my car..i noticed that they had done a terrible job of detailing it too.. so i sent it back to be rewashed and polished some more... i was itchy to drive it... but i wanted it just right!
  • spndxspndx Member Posts: 36
    ....in the land of 8 weeks of guaranteed vacation per year, I seriously doubt that the Mercedes plant is running seven days a week.
  • tariktarik Member Posts: 344
    In the land of (only!) SIX weeks of union-negotiated vacation, the C-Class production lines will surely run at 21 shifts per week (3 shifts per day x 7 days). The C is in great demand all over, therefore production needs to run full steam in order to be able to (halfway) satisfy demand.

    Tarik
  • itabackitaback Member Posts: 21
    C320 with C2, C3, C4 and C6 sport package with CD changer and in Brilliant Silver. No money down, 36 months, 10K mi. per year @$597 (incl. tax). The total sticker price was $43,735. I think I got a good deal, but not really sure.
  • diwc240diwc240 Member Posts: 172
    My C 240 was built 2nd decade Jan. (Jan.19th)
    Left Hamburg on Jan. 25th.
    Arrived Balitmore Feb. 7th.
    Arrived via Auto Hauler at New Jersey Dealer evening on Feb. 14th.
    Took delivery Feb. 15th by 8:00 PM.

    Do you know if MBs for Minnesota also arrive at Port of Balitmore? I would think so for East Coast. Then train to Minnesota or Auto Hauler ?
    Break-in recommended is first 1000 miles at varying speeds / rpms etc...
  • jayonejayone Member Posts: 25
    Hi, thanks for the lease info. I think you got a good deal I am paying $615 a month for 36m/12k..I have c2 and cd chnager..I would say you did well I think i got robbed!OH well! I love the car though!...I am paying ny tax whats your tax rate?
  • mmc240mmc240 Member Posts: 4
    Hi all~~ This is my very first post here. Believe it or not, I've been keeping up with the board since October but have never make a sound. I decided to post today because.........."I picked up my car today." and I would like to share my experience on buying this beauty. Mine is a silver C240 with automatic and C2. got 300 off MSRP and paid about 200 for dealer to throw in the CD for me. It's an O.K. deal. but I doubt if you could find a much better deal. I've done a lot of research on this car since when it first came out. Been reading a lot of buying techniques try to get a good deal for myself. But let me tell you, it's very hard~ 300 to 500 is all I could get. But you could ask for a free CD changer. (You'll regret if you don't ask for it) I've talked with most of the dealers down here around L.A. area. About 8 dealers that I have talked to. Their attitudes on the discount varies. But every sales person I have talked to at the first time says no discounts on the car. And then they all say the same thing like the demand is high and they don't even have it in stock, blah, blah, blah. My suggestion is use all these online quote services have these people to call you and just tell them how much discount you wanted and see if you could work something out. But I think if you wanted more than a thousand dollars off, they'll just say it's impossible and tell you to find other dealers. Which is true because some dealers sticks to MSRP and won't back off for a cent. Reasonable discount I would say is about 500. Trust me, I have tried to get that big discounts for months....... That's why I got my car so late. For new buyers who's considering the new C. While you're searching for better deals among dealers. Put down a deposit first at one dealer who's already giving you a discount but which you think the discont does not match your expectation. And then go shop around a little more because it takes more time than you think to deal with these dealers. And if you don't find a better deal in your waiting period. You can just take the car you've ordered without wasting the time searching for better deals and result in getting nothing better and another 2-3 months of wait. It's just not worth it. Sorry for the long post but hope this could help a little. since I've got so many info. from this board before, I'd like to give something back~ Thanks to all of you people that love the C and all the information sharing.
    ps. I got mine at South Bay California ~ great service and friendly salesperson~ (some dealers were quite rude and give me a take it or leave it attitude which I hated the most)
    well, good luck on you all~ and for all the new C owners (which include myself) enjoy it, and "Live a Lot" ^0^
  • itabackitaback Member Posts: 21
    I am paying NJ sales tax.
  • sirus32sirus32 Member Posts: 55
    Thanks to everyone who posted their delivery time lines. Specially Tarik, I figured you would know factory work week schedules. Thanks!

    Tarik, one more question. How many boats a week does MB ship to the US? What's the process like?

    Thanks in advance.
  • mga3mga3 Member Posts: 51
    I am leasing a Black 320 w/th Java interior.C2,C3 pkgs.,Full leather and CD changer. For 48mo/12k miles per year for $546.29. Total cost of car was $40,735. The CD changer,car cover and all season weather mats were thrown in, based on my request.

    I chose to pay the NYS & Luxury Tax upfront ($2272.72). Which reduced my payments from $596.87 to $546.29. There are deals to be made out there, as proved by me,"itaback" and other folks on this site.
  • dennettdennett Member Posts: 332
    The car really looks fantastic! Looks like a great neighborhood too! I'm going to have get some more of my pics up too! Keep'em coming, you'll have to invite you know who to see the great color LOL!
  • lperakislperakis Member Posts: 49
    1. the seat/key memory is not working correctly on my C320. Is it true that MB is (or soon will be) offering an ungrade to our keys?
    2. Is it true that the Navigation CD is being upgraded as well?

    Thanks!
  • jimibjimib Member Posts: 10
    I have not read any posts as to how the new command (nav) system is working? Is it practical or just another tool they have not perfected yet.I like to drive not read software manuals! For the price , I am thinking maby next time around when it's $500. instead of $2,000. Just ordered an allocated C320 in silver with charcoal int. Delivery May. Milwaukee area, no discounts but great dealer! Price with "no" taxes $42,635.
  • jayonejayone Member Posts: 25
    Thanks for the lease info. Since you guys are in the ny/nj area I was wondering what dealer you went to. I went to Globe Motor Car Comp. in Fairfield NJ. So in the end my $615(inl.tax) with $0 down 36/12 was a bit higher than I couldve bargained for though they claimed that I got a terrific rate and free changer, their original asking price was $630. Its an extra amount that wont break the bank, I guess. Thanks everyone..anymore lease quotes?
  • zmeenowzmeenow Member Posts: 341
    though i didnt lease,i did buy from prestige motors in paramus.. they are one of the larger mb dealerships around.. try rudi shulz..they always seem to be straight shooters in all my dealings with them...good luck!
  • tariktarik Member Posts: 344
    I am truly sorry having to disappoint your (flattering) belief in me ( ;-> ), but the number of ships loaded with Cs arriving at US shores beats me.

    Main production facility is Bremen, which is a main port and very close to Bremerhafen and Hamburg, from where most vehicles are shipped. How exactly the logistics work is beyond me, but AFAIK arrival ports along the east coast are Boston, Baltimore, and Jacksonville, correct?

    Tarik
  • sshowittsshowitt Member Posts: 137
    Has anyone heard as to whether a c-class 4-matic sedan will be available, and if so, when? I know that the wagon will be out soon, but I have not heard anything about a sedan.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    The C320 wagon that is arriving late fall of 2001 will be RWD. The C240 4-matic sedan and C320 4-matic sedan and wagon will (unfortunately) only make their way over here in late fall 2002.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    I hope that you can make this Tuesday's MB chat at 6-7pm Pacific. It should be great :-)

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  • lperakislperakis Member Posts: 49
    Here are a couple of links with the info on the C32 and the C-Class wagon. Enjoy!


    http://www.m-benz.com/future/c32-02.html


    http://www.m-benz.com/future/c320w-02.html

  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    miki:
    Meguiar's is Carnauba. I used to use their products extensively on my Integra.
    On my ML, I use Zaino.

    Most installers have a 1yr guarantee against lifting. If done right, it doesn't.
    You can remove the material by heating a corner, then pulling it away from the paint. I've never heard of any damage to the paint, though cleaning the adhesive is a bit of a paian.
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    kenyee -- thanks for your answers to my questions and your patience.

    Miki
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    With C2, C4, Xenon, CD changer, chrome wheels, I had to pay MSRP, but they discounted the CD changer $500 and refused to discount the wheels -- the sales manager said absolutely no other discounts. I called another dealer who told me he would discount the changer and wheels. I went back to my original dealer and said I really wanted to buy there, but was offered discounts on changer and wheels elsewhere. I left it up to them to decide if they wanted me as a customer. He discounted the wheels. The changer and the wheels came to $1390.

    I am not good at making deals.
  • michhalamichhala Member Posts: 375
    >the seat/key memory is not working correctly on >my C320. Is it true that MB is (or soon will be) >offering an upgrade to our keys?

    I have problems with my C320 seat memory, too. It has a will of its own and holds only one position setting. Programming a seat setting in one position puts the setting in all three memory positions. To have it work better, I was advised to disable the Exit mode.

    I was told that there are fixes for both the seat memory and the smart key -- this info was given to someone I know at a meeting with the Mercedes representative in Illinois. How reliable this info, I am not sure.
    Miki
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    For the past week I've been trying to find out information about a feature on my new C320. Apparently there are over a dozen icons that can potentially appear based on what's going on with the car. I noticed that an icon for the trunk/door/hood will appear in the multifunction display if any of these items are breached. I called on TeleAid and they had NO CLUE. I called 1800 FOR-MERC and spoke with an engineer and HE TOLD ME IT WAS A MISPRINT. I called my service department and he went out to a car in their lot and told me NO IT IS NOT A FEATURE AVAILABLE. Well.... today my friend who JUST bought a loaded C320 opened the door at around 3-4 MPH and sure enough, a RED WARNING appeared in the display. I had tried it before but thought it wasn't working as I did not proceed when I put the car in drive. How is it that these people are not familiar with the features of this vehicle? Mind boggling!!
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