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a common problem. Anyone who had this problem did you get it corrected by the dealer.Thanks!
When the "img src" tags are used to try to display a picture in your post AND the picture is not available for whatever reason (host site down, link incorrect, etc.), you will experience this problem.
All you have to do is hit your Stop button and your browser will stop trying to load the image (at least this is true of Netscape). The rest of the page will display normally, and you will see a "broken link" symbol in the post containing the image that couldn't be found.
If you see that "broken link" in your post, just delete it - that will solve the problem for you and other discussion participants.
While I'm on the subject, if you are attaching images to your post, keep in mind that you must OWN the picture according to the copyright issues of your Terms of Use. If you want folks to view images that do not belong to you, instead of using the "img src" tags, post a link to the picture's location (providing you are not violating any TOU at the host site).
Also, please keep in mind that images are slower to load than text. As a courtesy to your fellow Town Hall members, please do not post very large pictures, and please do not post a lot of images in a short series of posts. Four or five posts in a row with several pictures each will make the page very slow to download, depending on the speed of connection. Again, you can always post a link to a picture's location instead.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.
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From now on, just links for me.
FYI, you cannot link pictures that are in your password protected private Photopoint albums. They have to be in the publically accessible gallery. Since I can't seem to find your pictures in the main galleries, I assume that this is what you did?
Good luck
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From then on, you simply have to bookmark the main Town Hall page (townhall.edmunds.com), not the individual discussion topics, and then click on the "message centre" link on the left hand column.
Hope this helps!
Drew
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WHAM!. i was around that truck in a second...!
im less concerned about whether the car is one second faster or slower from a dead stop..as they test them on a track...more concerned how the car will react when i need the extra torque for passing.. either using the select shift(which i preferr)or flooring the pedal.
if i was that fixated on the 1-60 number... id be shopping another class of car completely.
See my photos of Euro Delivery at PhotoPoint
Ignore the doofus on the left....
FYI, for the ML, all models use the same air filtering system as the ML55. I.e., there is plenty of air for the ML320/ML430, so putting in a K&N filter won't make a difference...
Dear customer,
It is a fake. Note the date, 1995 and still going around. How do I
know you ask? We DO NOT make filters for mining or construction equipment.
If he used a small Honda filter on a turbo charged V12, no wonder he had
problems!!! Here is the truth to it.
Our filters are tested by an outside, independent laboratory. They
have been proven to stop at least 99% of particles on a SAE dust test. This
test uses particles in the 0 - 5 micron range and goes up to 20 microns.
For comparison, a paper filter also stops 99% on the same test and the OEM
minimum standard is 96%. Foam is generally the worst media with a typical
efficiency rating of 75 - 85%. To get higher ratings, the foam must be more
dense and therefore way more restrictive. The "tack" characteristic of a K&N
allows for increase filtration without loss of flow as well.
The testing procedure used is SAE J-726 using ISO Coarse Test Dust.
This test is the standard of the air filter industry. The test procedure
consists of flowing air through the filter at a constant rate (airflow rate
is determined by the application) while feeding test dust into the air
stream at a rate of 1 gram per cubic meter of air.
As the filter loads with dust the pressure drop across the filter is
increased to maintain the prescribed airflow rate. The test is continued
until the pressure drop increases 10" H2O above the initial restriction of
the clean element (in this case .78" to 10.78" H2O). At this point the test
is terminated. The dirty filter element is then weighed. This weight is
compared to the clean element weight to determine the total Dust Capacity.
The amount of dust retained by the filter is divided by the total amount of
dust fed during the test to determine the Cumulative Efficiency.
The K&N filter achieved the following results:
Dust Capacity: 305 grams
Cumulative Efficiency: 99.05 %
We got started over 30 years ago making filters for motorcycles and off
road racers. The filters did so well that these guys wanted them for their
cars and trucks. We started making filters for these applications and here
we are today. If they did not work, we would not still be here and growing
every year.
We now make filters for Chrysler/Mopar, Ford Motorsports, Edelbrock,
Rotax Engines, and Harley Davidson. We come as original equipment on the
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra-R. We even made the filters used in the Apache
helicopters used in Desert Storm and the US Marine Corps new Osprey
tilt-rotor aircraft. If they work in these conditions they will work for
you. This leads me to the Ford post. The dealership may not void the
warranty per Federal laws. The Moss-Magnuson Warranty Act of the Fair Trade
Commission states that if a part is not covered under warranty, the consumer
may use any brand they choose to. Air filters are not covered under the
warranty so you are free to use any brand you choose. The real clincher is
the fact that Ford carries and sells a line of our filters at the
dealerships. We make the filters for Ford Motorsports and they even took
out a 1 page "ad" in our catalog. In fact, we are original equipment on the
2000 Mustang Cobra-R. I find it highly unlikely Ford would endorse a
product that causes problems with their vehicles. In fact, Honda and Toyota
only recommend K&N filters when using aftermarket high flow filters as K&N
is the only brand of filter the oil does NOT come off of.
You may post any or all of this if you like, in fact, it would be
appreciated. I would be interested in seeing the responses. Bottom line,
the internet is opinions not facts. Don't take all you read as accurate.
Thanks for writing, Rick
I still doubt a K&N would make a difference on the ML, but I have no idea if it would on the C; you folks should check the part# on the C32's air filter/assembly to see if it's the same to get the answer.
Anyway, I'm picking it up tomorrow. Working half day and spending the rest with my new toy.
I'll take some pictures and comment on delivery.
Since I've only read comments about replacement bulbs similar to Xenons, I'll let you know if the Xenon option was worth the extra $800.
-Erich
Thanks Edmunds!
Methinks I need a driving lesson. My sales person explained very little about my 320 when I picked it up. I read the manual re tapping the shift knob and asked some questions at the dealer. I was given a pat on the head and told I did not have to know about that. I am a fast driver and everyone knows how fast this car responds to a tap on the pedal when wanting passing power. I drive the Grapevine (the route from Southern CA to parts north) regularly in Drive. With just a mere touch to the pedal, I zoom up the inclines at 110.
Since I have always driven an automatic, I am clueless. I came from an older BMW 5 series where the passing speed was implemented by putting the pedal to the floor.
Am I damaging the MB engine by not using the tap-the-shift feature? And do I have to tap the shift to return back to Drive?
Miki
I live in Eagan, a suburb south of St. Paul.
Small world, I take weekend trips to the cabin in Brainard during the summer months for Golfing, Boating, Hiking and relaxing. Nice area.... Last year a young women from Brainard won $47Million in the State's Powerball lottery. Didn't know her, but most town folk did.
My C320 is on the boat and expected to reach port on the 13th! Hopefully I'll have it by the end of the month. Thw waiting has been taxing (a little April humor), but will soon be over :-)
ps.what you mb dealer did,by saying you wont need it, was kinda patronizing~
My other option appears to be adding the K&N filters. Nyca estimates that will increase horsepower to 175. I will discuss that option with my local mechanic. Thanks again for the input.
when you are test driving.. keep in mind that these cars have a "drver adaptive transmission" that makes subtle changes to go with your driving style.. so you wont get the MOST accurate feeling for what either car can do.. but at least,some basis for comparison
have fun!! good luck!!
1. I am a bit concerned with current MBZ quality for 2 reasons: First, regardless of the American built M class, MBZ has poorer review compared with BMW, Lexus, and Infinite in recent years. Not to offend anybody. Myself is a MBZ owner though a late 80s model. Second, C class is in its first new design year, which history shows being immature is prone to be problematic, such as 96 and 97 E class compared with later model years.
2. No experience on C class. Compared with BMW 3 series, how reliable and costly to repair C class are?
3. C320 vs. C240. Obviously C320 has better review than C240 performance-wise. But I would not push the gas paddle of my own car as hard as a rental car. So besides that, are 320s so much superior than 240s?
4. Any recommendations on MBZ dealerships in the Southern CA area would be greatly appreciated. Where to go, where not to go, sales person to see/avoid, etc.
5. Pricing. Is it possible to get a similar deal on C class like $1500 over dealer cost as for BMW 3 series?
Thanks in advance.
Thank you both for your help and instructions. I did read about it in the manual, but sometimes the manual makes more sense after the application or when I want to checkout a function. Actually in the beginning, after a few muddled days, I found the manual to be excellent and written in English
Miki
greatly appreciated. Where to go, where not to go, sales person to see/avoid, etc.>>>>>
We ordered our C320 from Penske in West Covina. The experience was very pleasant and not over bearing with great follow up from our sales person. Ask for Sarah Yang, she is great. I really wish we had met her first. I have also heard good things from friends about Caliber Motors in Anaheim Hills and Rusnak in Pasadena. We initially visited Fletcher Jones in New Port Beach. It is a large dealership, highly advertised, and supposed to be the highest volume MD dealer in N. America. I didn't care for their service.
The rest of your questions I am sure will be answered by the folks who have first-hand experiences with C's.
Good Luck!!
Jay Belkowitz was an extremely helpful salesman. Kept me informed throughout. Quite a challenge to continue daily commute to work in my clunker pickup with the C240 in the garage! Think I'll put my video camera on it so I can admire it from the den!
2. In terms of reliability, I don't think its going to be a major problem. If you review the posts, Nobody has a major mechanical or electrical problem with the car and a lot of the glitches have been worked out. Remember the major complaints seem to be paint chips, cost of CD player, and dust on the wheels.
3. In terms of power I have a c240, The car is nimble there's plenty of power for passing and normal driving, but it accelerates like nice passenger car, not like a sports car. If you want that I think you'll need to upgrade or try a different car.
But of course, there were anyway. At the last second (two days before delivery) I told them to put the "Twin 5-spoke" wheels on, and after all the math was done 3.5+ hours into the day (had to wait for a PeopleFirst cashier's check to arrive Fed Ex---PeopleFirst was great, btw) I figured out on the way home that the finance guy had "forgotten" to include the $400 off I got from sticker when he recalculated the price post-rims. Had to call them back, send another check, and hope they voided the first one. Thankfully, they did.
The rims look GREAT with my Brill. Silver metallic; no brake squeal, all keys/locks/computer chips apparently in order; the only flaw I've noted so far is the wheel at 12:04 or so, despite my telling the dealer when they got the car to check it because THAT would "drive me nuts." *sigh* It's close enough to NOT drive me nuts, and I can wait until I do my superstitious oil change around 2000, after it's broken-in.
The car is fabulous. C240 (I didn't need the power...preferred the economy, myself) with C1-4, K2 (not voice activated)...Ash interior, which is a "richer" color than I expected, and sets off the wood nicely.
Remarkably quiet, I'm pleased with the Bose system, and as I said, so far completely functional. *knocking vigorously on wood*
Sign me,
One Happy Camper
Here's a link to some fresh pics of my new C240. I'll post first impressions and additional photos later this weekend. I'm taking a short trip up north. I want to see what the car drives like before my long Easter weekend trip.
See my photos of Mercedes Benz - C240 at PhotoPoint
One quick comment, I called Tel-Aid to test the unlock feature....However, they told me all 2001 S and C class cars don't have this option. Hmmmmm.....Oh well, will research next week.
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>1. I am a bit concerned with current MB quality >for 2 reasons: First, regardless of the American >built I class, MB has purer review compared >with BOW, Lexus, and Infinite in recent years.
Excellent choice in cars. I recently ordered a c240 for myself and a BOW 325ci for my sister-in-law. I don't believe you will see any flaws in the MB quality. True MB stuff here. As far as the BOW goes will what and see. One thing that I didn't like is that BOW 3 series are manufactured in South Africa. I would have to wonder about that.
> Not to offend anybody. Myself is a MB owner >though a late 80s model. Second, I class is in >its first new design year, which history shows >being immature is prone to be problematic, such >as 96 and 97 I class compared with later model >years.
I thought the same thing at first. But after following and being involved in this forum, I was wrong. Besides from a few alignment adjustments this car is good. Believe me when something isn't right you will hear about it, right here!
>2. No experience on I class. Compared with BOW 3 >series, how reliable and costly to repair I >class are?
I don't have numbers on this yet but plan on tracking this. I can tell you that my personal mechanic has always told me that BOW are much more expensive to repair s. MB. My mechanic has much experience in all of these autos. He is German born and was trained at the Audio facility in Germany.
>3. C320 s. C240. Obviously C320 has better >review than C240 performance-wise. But I would >not push the gas paddle of my own car as hard as >a rental car. So besides that, are 320s so much >superior than 240s?
They are very simialier vehicles it all depends on what you want to spend and drive. You are going to have to perform the same comparison with BOW 325 and 330. If your interested in the BOW coupe, MB will offer their cc-lass coupe in 2002. Might want to check this out.
>4. Any recommendations on MB dealerships in the >Southern CA area would be greatly appreciated. >Where to go, where not to go, sales person to >see/avoid, etc.
Can't help you with this but I'm sure someone else will. The group has a lot of members from this area.
>5. Pricing. Is it possible to get a similar deal >on I class like $1500 over dealer cost as for >BOW 3 series?
I have found that the BOW dealers are "dealing" more then MB. They are feeling the heat from the competition, like MB. I was able to get $1000 off MSRP on the MB and $1300 off the BOW. The going rate for BOW is $1000 - $1500 off. MB is very difficult to deal. The car is too "hot" and in my opinion is worth every penny. I do believe you get more for your money with the MB. The BOW does come with an alarm or tracking device
plus the safety features that are built in.
Good Luck!
Greg@thedailydonut.com
Sometime in the next week or two, the name of this discussion will be changed dropping the "Part 6" designation.
Now that we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have a requirement to stop and restart discussions after a certain number of posts have occurred. Therefore, this discussion can be regarded as the permanent home for C-Class conversation. The "part number" designations on all of our discussions will probably eventually confuse new members, so we will be gradually dropping them from the titles.
We'll also be altering original discussions in the Archives to differentiate between the first and the current.
I just wanted to give you a heads up - and by the way, if you are subscribed to this discussion, a name change will not affect your subscription.
Thanks.
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Going forward in time, after driving my 320 about 2 months, there was a possibility of my buying another car. With great aniticipation, I went back to the BMW dealer and took the 330i for a drive. I could not believe I had considered it and was happy I chose the 320.
Miki
Regarding build quality, it's the intangible stuff that's the killer. You can judge for yourself regarding fit and finish of exterior body panels, either you think it's good or you don't. Same goes with the quality of interior material: seats, dashboard, headliners, etc. Ever check out the interior of a C5 Corvette? It's GM plastic everywhere, the cupholder felt like it was going to snap off in my hand. The tactile feedback of control switches is important too. If you have experience in the computer/electronics industry, you can "feel" a cheap switch right away (like the feeling a cheap PC keyboard gives you).
But some things you just have to take on faith: the reliability of engine and transmission, electrical systems, HVAC, etc. You can't tell if those are quality, just by visual inspection. Long term reviews in magazines and owner reports are useful for that.
I think alot of negative "hype" has been generated about MB quality since the Chrysler merger.