Don't get your hopes up, but I saw what I think are two solid maroon Regals at the dealership that sold me my 2000 LS three weeks ago. They may be 2000 LS's, but if you like, I'll zip by and find out for sure.........
That sounds like my 1999 maroon LS with med.grey interior. Another option is to paint the bottom skirt. Sounds like a waste of a "new" car. What have other GS/two toned owners done to skirt???
I'm looking for a GS any place on West Coast...as far as El Paso??? I'm just plain desperate now!!! Just don't tell that to the salesman/woman(PC you know)
Bushwack No wonder every time I faided front/rear the 6x9 sounded like "one" speaker. I always wondered about that??? Thanks for the link!!!
I dont believe you will find a solid maroon 98 or 99 GS Regal.In 1998 when our local dealer went 400 miles to Ardmore,OK to get us a new blue 98 GS he told us it would be solid blue but we knew it wouldnt.When it arrived it had the gray on the bottom like we knew it would from looking at the sales lit.
When we got our blue 98 GS we had been dealing on a maroon and gray 98 GS in a town close by.They offered us a good deal on it but we wanted a blue one.We always keep our eyes open for other Regals when we are traveling and I have never seen a solid maroon GS.We see solid maroon LS Regals all the time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe if you want a solid maroon GS you will have to have one painted that way.I myself much prefer the two tone paint.Good luck finding what you want.Both the GS and LS Regals are great cars.
Are a little more difficult to find. All LS are monotone...certain dealers do monotone GS like black and midnight blue. In the summer of 00 when I started to look the dealer had midnight blue and black but I was not ready, I settled for the two - tone midnight blue. Buick claims to be going for the Lexus look with two-tone, for me it is too older in style, I like monotone but was not going to sacrafice that for a great car.
I own a 1999 mono tone Regal GS that is ante Fe Red Pearl. The other red Regal color for 1999 was Bordeaux Red. I'm not sure which red is considered to be maroon" but there are at least three solid color ante Fe Red GS where I live.
Thanks for the info. I thought it had GS susp because of the firm ride. Like the LS but i wish i had a gotten a GS because with all the options i paid almost as much as a GS. Oh well, maybe next time.
It's good to know that there are more LS owners out there. (We're getting pumped up listening to all you GS owners brag!) But hey, I own an LS and love it. My LS will get up and go just fine, but I must confess that I'm becoming more curious all the time as to just how fast a GS is.....
It may not be a good idea for me to have a GS - being as I have a clean driving record so far. I get the idea that I could be tempted to pull some of the stunts that I did as a teenager - you know - a long straight piece of road and "why don't we see what this baby will do?"
I bought my 2000 GS in Nov 1999 with 1046 miles on it. The dealer said his office manager was using it to commute to work. We haggled back and forth on price and ultimately I paid about $1000 under his invoice. I was happy with the deal and even happier with my GS. Awesome performance from a car that nobody in America knows about.
Bordeaux Red Pearl is the correct color for what some of us are calling maroon.The 98 sales brochure says it was not available on a monotone GS so you would have only been able to get Bordeaux Red Pearl on a two-tone GS in 1998 the way I understand it.
Thanks rsuewilo. I'd say you got a real good deal at 1k under invoice. I'm putting together an offer on the demo. I figure they should knock off at minimun 2k. I dunno. I want to make the lowest offer without being ridiculous. So is the Olympic package on the GS the same as the Prestige Package with the additioal of the Olympic insignias? I'm not clear on that.
Good luck on your purchase! I would think 2000 below invoice is a good starting pt. with a target of 1500---below. As for the pkgs. I have the Olympic pkg which I believe has all the Prestiage pkg has plus some differnt badging, color combinations and of course, front floor mats with the Olympic symbol.
Check Edmond's options listing re: Regal GS to be sure.
It broke my heart to hand over the keys to my olds 88 but I had to many problems with it. I just bought a 2000 Reagal LS. I love the car. Has all the power I need, all the luxeries leather etc...... My problem......The seats are killing me! I drive a lot 57000 miles in the last 2 years. By the time I got home in my new car my back was aching severly with pains going down my right leg! It was so bad I had to soak in the tub to relax the muscles. I even woke up in the middle of the night with it bothering me. I went to Schucks and bought one of the orthoepdic back supports. It helps a little bit but not enough. Because I drive so much this could cause major problems for my back. Any suggestions out there? Help!!!
Sounds like you have sciatica which isn't any fun at all! Just a thought --- sometimes if you carry your wallet in your back pocket, simply by sitting on it while driving will cause the tyope of pain you describe. Take to wallet out, no pain.
Also try changing your seating position to a more upright position, maybe closer to the wheel.
I've had alot of back problems over the years and our 90 Regal GS used to make my back hurt.If I drove it on long trips my back really bothered me alot and I tried all kinds of different seat positions with no luck.
Fortunately our 98 GS and 2000 LS Regals dont bother my back any at all which is a blessing because we pound the highways and put about 30,000 miles a year on the two cars.Alot of it is fairly long trips with me doing most of the driving.
Jackjt may have hit on something by bringing up taking your wallet out of your back pocket.I've had to do that before and it sure helps alot.
I sure hope you can figure out something because the LS Regal is a nice car and will give you many miles of trouble free service if its as good as most are.
First of all the wallet is not applicable to me. I am a woman. I carry all of my goodies in my purse. My seat feels like the springs are shot in the bottom part of it. Feels like there is no support at all no stuffing in the backing either. Sometimes It even feels bouncy....... I called the dealer and told them about the problem. They told me too bad they will not do anything for me. I'm taking it to a special upholstery place that is going to take the seat apart and custom fill it to fit my body. I hope this will work for me. I didn't notice any of this when I test drove it. I only felt it about 30 minutes into the hours ride home. After dealing with my Oldsmobile and all of it's problems for the last 2 years and the sorry customer service I received from the local Olds dealer I feel like a real sucker. If this is the ONLY problem I have with this car there is a slight possibility I will buy another GMC in 3 years when I have worn this one out. Other wise I will be FINISHED with GMC for life.
Jack Jt...... I have never had sciatica before. I know people who have but this is my first experience with this kind of pain.
First of all the wallet is not applicable to me. I am a woman I don't carry a wallet in my pocket. I carry all of my goodies in my purse. My seat feels like the springs are shot in the bottom part of it. Feels like there is no support at all no stuffing in the backing either. Sometimes It even feels bouncy....... I called the dealer and told them about the problem. They told me too bad they will not do anything for me. I'm taking it to a special upholstery place that is going to take the seat apart and custom fill it to fit my body. I hope this will work for me. I didn't notice any of this when I test drove it. I only felt it about 30 minutes into the hours ride home. After dealing with my Oldsmobile and all of it's problems for the last 2 years and the sorry customer service I received from the local Olds dealer I feel like a real sucker. If this is the ONLY problem I have with this car there is a slight possibility I will buy another GMC in 3 years when I have worn this one out. Other wise I will be FINISHED with GMC for life.
Jack Jt...... I have never had sciatica before. I know people who have but this is my first experience with this kind of pain.
If so, *why* can't the dealer do anything for you.
At the very least they should have suggested you bring the car in for them to see if the seat is defective. From what you've written, they didn't do that.
The trunk lock assembly on the trunk hatch is deadly. I am about 6' 2" and if I bend over to take/put something into the trunk, it is all to EZ to bang my head on that lock assembly. It's annoying and hopefully GM will design it out with the next go around.
Have you had someone else drive to allow you to ride in the passenger seat? If that seat is different than the driver's it would help the dealer identify some specific problem with the driver seat. Also - you just purchased a 2000 - was it new? If returned as trade-in after just one year perhaps someone else was as uncomfortable as you? Alternatively - may have been a rental and seen some abuse - or driven by a very heavy person who may have done damage to the seat. If the car was preowned you may be able to contact the prior owner by finding a name in the warranty book or through the salesman. I've been able to do all of these with prior used cars.
Just a few ideas for what they're worth. The dealer really should be more attentive to your situation - you have to wonder what goes through the minds of these Bozos that they think they can treat people so shoddily and then expect return sales.
I just purchased a new 2001 Buick LS (140 miles on it right now) although I am happy with it, I find it very disturbing that the manufactures did not put a light to illuminate the ash tray area. Yes I know smoking is no longer the in thing however some of use do still smoke.
I brought this to the attention of the Buick division of GM but they make no apologies and thanked me via mail.
...the top speed is 108 mph pacinpelo. It can be removed via a reprogrammed PCM. I wasn't really trying late one night but was on the way home from a friends and had just started crossing a long bridge (no deer, no holes, no cops) when a E430 passed me like I was standing still. I was already doing about 75 mph when he passed and I nailed it just for the fun of it; he had the better car but I wanted to make him look twice. Before I knew it, I was bouncing of the limiter. It doesn't take long... The PCM's are on sale now, with free shipping, at ramairtech.com.
If you replace the PCM will that void the manufacture's warranty? Has anyone on this board had experience with replacing the PCM on the lastest Regal models? If so, were you impressed with the performance? Were the shift points quite harsh compared to OEM? I just want to get a feel for what the change would really do for both performance and streetability.
that's an interesting question. Cause if the dealer tried to reprogram anything, it would screw up the programming on the chip. Hypertech recommended that the programming be returned to stock prior to being taken to the dealer for servicing. Can't do that with superchip though. Reprogram that is, without first returning the chip to the manufacturer.
I had the same problem; the springs in the driver's seatback were broken; replaced by my dealer under warranty - no more pain problem. I did have to adjust the seat a bit though. I think the seat needs a bolster [a rolled up towel] to be placed against your sacro-iliac if you can't get a more comfortable adjustment.
We bought our 2000 Regal October 06, 2000, financed with 0% 60-month GMAC loan. Great incentive, much better than $2000 rebate.
Were told at dealer that this loan requires credit insurance. Easy to believe: very good deal even after the extra $1000 wasted.
Though, it turned to be that GMAC does not require the insurance. We cancelled it October 16, 2000, after reading the papers at home.
I reported then the incident here. Several people suggested what to do in such situation. Thank you so much again for your help!
Now I want to report that the problem is resolved. I called GMAC today and was informed that they applied the reimbursement of the insurance to our account.
Better late than never. BTW, GMAC received the reimbursement check only yesterday.
Monotone - The GS are ALL two-tone for the '01 model. Prior to that, any car could be had in monotone except for the gold color in '00. I think I had one painted for a customer once. Cost about $400 for a VERY GOOD job. You can get it done cheaper, but the job will be cheaper.
PCM - If you change or reprogram the prom, you VOID the warranty. Years ago, when you switched out chips, Hypertech was right, just put the old one back in. You can't do that anymore. Do it only after you run through the 3 year warranty. If you bought an extended warranty, it will void that also.
Suspension - The GS has the Gran touring suspension standard. The LS has the Gran touring suspension as available equipment. I forget the gentleman's name, but he was correct. It is called the Y56 option.
Demo models - Dealers still have a cost factor to work with. You will not get it below "net net net" cost. Net cost is invoice minus the holdback (3% of MSRP minus destination) minus the advertising (different for all regions, averages out to be about 1% of MSRP minus destination). Regals will have about $1,000 difference between invoice and net cost. Sounds like you got the best deal you could make. One thing to watch out for. Make sure that doesn't include the rebates. Ex.
If you bought the car for 24,000 plus the taxes, you paid invoice for the car. If you bought the car for 23,000, you paid net cost for the car. Both ways look like you got a good deal. 23k is a great deal. Believe me, people make the mistake all the time.
Insurance - It is a federal law. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PURCHASE ANY ADDITIONAL INSURANCE (warranty, credit life, disability, gap, etc) AS A CONDITION OF ACCEPTANCE BY THE BANK. Did I make myself clear enough? Believe me, I have been to every financial school concerning truth in lending laws. The business manager at the dealer can go to jail for up to 5 years and pay $25,000 in fines if that wasn't reversed. GMAC went back to the dealer and set him straight. The dealer was the one who paid back the money, I am sure of this. Did you know this? The business manager MUST point to and speak every number involved on the contract for it to be legally binding. He can't just say the numbers, but he must also point to them. Think about that next time you go in to sign some papers. However, don't go in with the attitude that you are getting the car for free either . If the contract isn't binding, neither is your butt to the seat. The dealer can and will take the car back if he wants. Secondly, try to prove it in court he didn't do it. However, if there is a number or something you don't understand, don't sign it, make him go over it 20 times if necessary.
BTW, in the above mentioned scenerios, please disregard the sexist comments. When I say "he" or "him" I mean "he/she" and "him/her". That was for the PC'ers in the crowd.
If the chip voids the warranty I cant see doing it...how many times will you do over 100. The car shift points are OK when the Perf Shift is on.
GM Protection Plan just came my way...Major Gurad for 5 yrs 75000 miles $100 deduct. is $1300 and it covers just about everything including rentals and the rental clause states the car does not have to be overnight repair.
Voiding the warranty isn't an issue for me since mine's almost up and I've decided against and extension. However, when I was considering an extention, I found a dealer willing to discount your particular warranty to $810. $1300 is way too much...
I don't anticipate venturing into the 110mph+ range much either... what I do like about PCM is the skip shift feature that allows 4-2 or 3-1 downshifts and quicker shifts. Even in PERF mode, I find myself occasionally frustrated with the automatic, my first in seven cars.
We dropped to the dealership Friday October 6 to sign the papers, at our way to work. It took only 20 minutes - without reading :-). We received the papers the next day, Saturday, together with the car delivery.
The following weekend I read through the papers, found the problem, and was at dealership when it opened Monday, October 16. One business week after signing.
I believe there is a cool-up period for insurance. One month, or 30 days, or something of this kind. I asked to cancel the policy exactly 10 days after signing the papers. It was long before the insurance company could receive the papers. When I called them, they did not knew yet that their agent, the dealer, wrote the policy.
The manager at dealership told me, that he canceled the insurance, and that the insurance company returned the payment. It took so long because at first they waited for papers from the dealer, and than one paper turned to be out of order and had to be sent again. So I do not think the dealership had to pay anything from its own funds.
The policy was written not by GMAC insurance (if such a thing exists), but by a Florida company I never heard before. BTW, exactly this attracted my attention when I browsed the papers the next weekend after buying the car. I even could not find the insurer at Internet, probably the company is very small.
I do not think that GMAC pressured the dealership - because I worked with the dealership manager, not GMAC. E-mailed GMAC at the very beginning, to understand, who is cancelling the insurance: GMAC, insurance company, or dealer. Turned to be that dealer. Later I called GMAC couple of times, but asked only one thing: did they already received the reimbursement, or not yet.
Do not know what is written in the law books, but 5 years of prison looks absolutely out of proportion. People gets 3 years for rape! What the manager deserve for the trick, in my mind, is a serious reprimand. But I do not understand at all the logic of American Law.
We had no experience with buying a new car before. The incident taught us that it is wrong just to drop and sign: we had to allocate much more time on this procedure. Thought this is just a formality: all prices and loan conditions were already discussed before...
I definitely was wrong to sign the papers without reading them. Will read thoroughly papers at dealership the next time we will buying a car. Probably in 2007-2008: our 1998 Malibu will be 10 years old then.
Though, the reading is a major undertaking. It took about 4 hours to work through all papers. Not at dealership, but in comfort of my home, with computer ready available. Of course, after founding the problem, I read everything thoroughly, too thoroughly: even small print at back sides of the forms, and verified all calculations.
On the other hand, it took about 10 minutes of browsing the papers to catch the problem with the credit insurance, and after another 10 minutes I became sure. All subsequent labor was wasted on verifying.
Glad to see everything turned out ok. Yes, the dealer is usually the one to start the refund policy. Any insurance you buy at a dealer will have a 30 day full refund available. Now that I see what happened, it doesn't sound quite as bad, although I strongly disagree with how the F&I guy handled your situation by telling you you had to have it. It makes us look even worse than we are!
Tell me how it is that when tax is added up on purchase of a used car the dealer trys to throw in an extra $50... like they actually pay that... that just seems very dishonest, why do they try and do that? everyone bring your calculators to the dealer when you shop for your own safety..
Peufan, I went to the dealer. They told me the seat is not under warranty and they would not do anything for me. The car salesman himself paid to have more padding put into my seat. I think TPken is right. The car was a rental car. I bought it because rental companies always do their maintenance oil changes and such. It seemed to me that a very large person had sat in the seat. When I sat in it for the test drive I didn't notice anything. After driving it home for an hour I felt like I was falling into a hole! Now that the seat has been stuffed it is better than it was, but I am still having problems with my back. I will be going to the doctor on Monday. I afraid it is going to get out of control and turn into a chronic problem if I don't get my back taken care of. The sad thing is if it wasn't for the seat I would love the car as it is now I just can not get comfortable no matter what I do. The dealer says they'll sell me another car and treat the Regal as a trade in. That would put me too far in the hole. If I was going to do that I would go to any other dealer in town but them!
So sorry to hear that you're back is still not good. If it's sciatica, you might try setting the back of your seat as straight as you can stand it and then tipping the seat bottom such that it is flat or almost slanted toward the steering wheel.
Hopefully the doctor will have some good advice on seating positions.
I had a 93 Park Avenue that no matter what my wife did, she could not get comfortable. She could not ride in the car without back pain. We purchased the car new and the dealer paid to have the seat restuffed, which didn't work. I loved the car, but finally had to get rid of it. When we purchased the 01GS, we took may a test drive to make sure it was comfortable for my wife. It has turned out to be quite comfortable for her.
Don't know what else to say, other than I know exactly what you are going thru and best of luck to you!
2000ls - Sorry to hear about your back. I don't understand your dealer's reluctance to fix/replace the seat. My dealer was only too happy to have Buick pay for parts and labor to remove the cloth and replace the springs. He did say that Buick would not go for a whole new seat. [The irony now is that the repaired seat is less comfortable for my back than the old springs that went "sproinggg" on every bump].
If the car is still under factory warranty then this most certainly includes the seat!! Everything but tires and maintenance is included in the GM bumper to bumper warranty.
Wassup Regal Owners Still to day haven't found a 98-99 maroon GS. If I can't "find" one in 2-3 months...I'll begin the upgrade plans to the LS...As it has the GT suspension. I still contend that the LS's 200HP is more than enough power for the regular humanoid. Yet sometime we need a BOOST of reality in terms of the supercharger. Maybe a GS wasn't in the cards for me.
I have three reaccurring problems: One is my rear passenger window...periodically DOESN'T want to roll down. This phantom problem occurs once or twice a month. Does this happen to anyone??? What was your "cause/cure"???
The second is my interior driving dash lights will dim out of nowhere??? I'll be driving and BANG they dim or BANG they turn "ON". Has/does this happen to anyone??? What was your "cause/cure"???
The third is the small dings and scratches on my doors!!! Why can't people be slowly open the DOOR!!! I even tried take up two parking spaces on the far edge of the parking lot...BFD. Somehow if by magic they still occur. I'll try "Dent Buster's" to repair the digs and touch up the doors. Has anyone has negative/positive results with "Dent Buster"???
HB396-Spioler Please view www.motorsportsperformance.com Mr.Weiland can find "Wings West Spoiler" for you. e-mail him for a price-enjoy
CM Replacement please view www.gradprixstore.com you'll be amazed at what "it" and other modifications can do to car.
To all: Ever wonder what a modified Regal could "really" achieve??? Go to tolan-hoechst's web site...WOW...I'm already drooling!!! I think this is the BEST 3.8 GS Regal site. He has every known improvement and lists time/speed/specs/ect. known to Regalkind. He provides a DETAILED list of all improvements and links are provided-enjoy.
I had the same problem with my 97.5 GS. My passenger rear window would go down but sometimes not up. Not for awhile anyway. I just stopped using that window completely and turned the car in at the end of the lease....
Those maroon Regals in Spartanburg were LS's. Sorry..........
Haven't had any problems with the windows in my LS - it's at 16K now. However, before that I had a 96 Olds Ciera, and it's windows kind of acted like yours are - ended up having the motors for them replaced. The window thing started happening over a year before I got tired of putting up with it. Any chance that the Regal uses the same motor for windows that Olds does? (My spider sense says maybe - they're both GM products after all)
If you dont' have to replace the motor once then it isnt a GM, I think this is about the last major quality issue they have, I mean who is making these things, ever GM vehicle has this problem. My grandpa got a 1998 K1500 and has 40,000+ on it, fit and finish, power, everything is awesome except one time his window fell and he couldn't get it back up.
oh well guess we have to pay for driving such awesome vehicles.
By the way I don't have a regal but I'm looking at differnt cars for when I get my job out of college (I will be a commercial airline pilot), I don't like cars, but a hot rod that would be good to commute to work in (which will be about every three to four days) and save miles on the Crew Cab 2500HD I want to get .
Hmm I better get a wife so I don't spend all my money on cars
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That sounds like my 1999 maroon LS with med.grey interior. Another option is to paint the bottom skirt. Sounds like a waste of a "new" car. What have other GS/two toned owners done to skirt???
I'm looking for a GS any place on West Coast...as far as El Paso??? I'm just plain desperate now!!! Just don't tell that to the salesman/woman(PC you know)
Bushwack
No wonder every time I faided front/rear the 6x9 sounded like "one" speaker. I always wondered about that??? Thanks for the link!!!
When we got our blue 98 GS we had been dealing on a maroon and gray 98 GS in a town close by.They offered us a good deal on it but we wanted a blue one.We always keep our eyes open for other Regals when we are traveling and I have never seen a solid maroon GS.We see solid maroon LS Regals all the time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe if you want a solid maroon GS you will have to have one painted that way.I myself much prefer the two tone paint.Good luck finding what you want.Both the GS and LS Regals are great cars.
Buick claims to be going for the Lexus look with two-tone, for me it is too older in style, I like monotone but was not going to sacrafice that for a great car.
Spell checker dropped the S off of Sante Fe.
It may not be a good idea for me to have a GS - being as I have a clean driving record so far. I get the idea that I could be tempted to pull some of the stunts that I did as a teenager - you know - a long straight piece of road and "why don't we see what this baby will do?"
JR
Check Edmond's options listing re: Regal GS to be sure.
I just bought a 2000 Reagal LS. I love the car. Has all the power I need, all the luxeries leather etc......
My problem......The seats are killing me! I drive a lot 57000 miles in the last 2 years. By the time I got home in my new car my back was aching severly with pains going down my right leg! It was so bad I had to soak in the tub to relax the muscles. I even woke up in the middle of the night with it bothering me.
I went to Schucks and bought one of the orthoepdic back supports. It helps a little bit but not enough. Because I drive so much this could cause major problems for my back. Any suggestions out there? Help!!!
Also try changing your seating position to a more upright position, maybe closer to the wheel.
Good luck...
Fortunately our 98 GS and 2000 LS Regals dont bother my back any at all which is a blessing because we pound the highways and put about 30,000 miles a year on the two cars.Alot of it is fairly long trips with me doing most of the driving.
Jackjt may have hit on something by bringing up taking your wallet out of your back pocket.I've had to do that before and it sure helps alot.
I sure hope you can figure out something because the LS Regal is a nice car and will give you many miles of trouble free service if its as good as most are.
My seat feels like the springs are shot in the bottom part of it. Feels like there is no support at all no stuffing in the backing either. Sometimes It even feels bouncy.......
I called the dealer and told them about the problem. They told me too bad they will not do anything for me. I'm taking it to a special upholstery place that is going to take the seat apart and custom fill it to fit my body. I hope this will work for me. I didn't notice any of this when I test drove it. I only felt it about 30 minutes into the hours ride home.
After dealing with my Oldsmobile and all of it's problems for the last 2 years and the sorry customer service I received from the local Olds dealer I feel like a real sucker. If this is the ONLY problem I have with this car there is a slight possibility I will buy another GMC in 3 years when I have worn this one out. Other wise I will be FINISHED with GMC for life.
Jack Jt...... I have never had sciatica before. I know people who have but this is my first experience with this kind of pain.
My seat feels like the springs are shot in the bottom part of it. Feels like there is no support at all no stuffing in the backing either. Sometimes It even feels bouncy.......
I called the dealer and told them about the problem. They told me too bad they will not do anything for me. I'm taking it to a special upholstery place that is going to take the seat apart and custom fill it to fit my body. I hope this will work for me. I didn't notice any of this when I test drove it. I only felt it about 30 minutes into the hours ride home.
After dealing with my Oldsmobile and all of it's problems for the last 2 years and the sorry customer service I received from the local Olds dealer I feel like a real sucker. If this is the ONLY problem I have with this car there is a slight possibility I will buy another GMC in 3 years when I have worn this one out. Other wise I will be FINISHED with GMC for life.
Jack Jt...... I have never had sciatica before. I know people who have but this is my first experience with this kind of pain.
If so, *why* can't the dealer do anything for
you.
At the very least they should have suggested
you bring the car in for them to see if the seat
is defective. From what you've written, they
didn't do that.
Keep us posted.
I hope this is the only flaw I turn up:-)
If the car was preowned you may be able to contact the prior owner by finding a name in the warranty book or through the salesman. I've been able to do all of these with prior used cars.
Just a few ideas for what they're worth. The dealer really should be more attentive to your situation - you have to wonder what goes through the minds of these Bozos that they think they can treat people so shoddily and then expect return sales.
Best wishes to resolve your difficult situation.
Ken
I brought this to the attention of the Buick division of GM but they make no apologies and thanked me via mail.
I heard 106 beacuse of the Goodyear LS tires. I know the GTP is better at top end. I will be heading to Orlando, maybe I will open it up.
Has anyone attempted to disable?
We bought our 2000 Regal October 06, 2000, financed with 0% 60-month GMAC loan. Great incentive, much better than $2000 rebate.
Were told at dealer that this loan requires credit insurance. Easy to believe: very good deal even after the extra $1000 wasted.
Though, it turned to be that GMAC does not require the insurance. We cancelled it October 16, 2000, after reading the papers at home.
I reported then the incident here. Several people suggested what to do in such situation. Thank you so much again for your help!
Now I want to report that the problem is resolved. I called GMAC today and was informed that they applied the reimbursement of the insurance to our account.
Better late than never. BTW, GMAC received the reimbursement check only yesterday.
PCM - If you change or reprogram the prom, you VOID the warranty. Years ago, when you switched out chips, Hypertech was right, just put the old one back in. You can't do that anymore. Do it only after you run through the 3 year warranty. If you bought an extended warranty, it will void that also.
Suspension - The GS has the Gran touring suspension standard. The LS has the Gran touring suspension as available equipment. I forget the gentleman's name, but he was correct. It is called the Y56 option.
Demo models - Dealers still have a cost factor to work with. You will not get it below "net net net" cost. Net cost is invoice minus the holdback (3% of MSRP minus destination) minus the advertising (different for all regions, averages out to be about 1% of MSRP minus destination). Regals will have about $1,000 difference between invoice and net cost. Sounds like you got the best deal you could make. One thing to watch out for. Make sure that doesn't include the rebates. Ex.
MSRP 27,000
Invoice 25,000
Holdback 810
Advertising 270
Rebates 1,000
If you bought the car for 24,000 plus the taxes, you paid invoice for the car. If you bought the car for 23,000, you paid net cost for the car. Both ways look like you got a good deal. 23k is a great deal. Believe me, people make the mistake all the time.
Insurance - It is a federal law. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PURCHASE ANY ADDITIONAL INSURANCE (warranty, credit life, disability, gap, etc) AS A CONDITION OF ACCEPTANCE BY THE BANK. Did I make myself clear enough? Believe me, I have been to every financial school concerning truth in lending laws. The business manager at the dealer can go to jail for up to 5 years and pay $25,000 in fines if that wasn't reversed. GMAC went back to the dealer and set him straight. The dealer was the one who paid back the money, I am sure of this. Did you know this? The business manager MUST point to and speak every number involved on the contract for it to be legally binding. He can't just say the numbers, but he must also point to them. Think about that next time you go in to sign some papers. However, don't go in with the attitude that you are getting the car for free either
BTW, in the above mentioned scenerios, please disregard the sexist comments. When I say "he" or "him" I mean "he/she" and "him/her". That was for the PC'ers in the crowd.
Jeff
The car shift points are OK when the Perf Shift is on.
GM Protection Plan just came my way...Major Gurad for 5 yrs 75000 miles $100 deduct. is $1300 and it covers just about everything including rentals and the rental clause states the car does not have to be overnight repair.
I don't anticipate venturing into the 110mph+ range much either... what I do like about PCM is the skip shift feature that allows 4-2 or 3-1 downshifts and quicker shifts. Even in PERF mode, I find myself occasionally frustrated with the automatic, my first in seven cars.
We dropped to the dealership Friday October 6 to sign the papers, at our way to work. It took only 20 minutes - without reading :-). We received the papers the next day, Saturday, together with the car delivery.
The following weekend I read through the papers, found the problem, and was at dealership when it opened Monday, October 16. One business week after signing.
I believe there is a cool-up period for insurance. One month, or 30 days, or something of this kind. I asked to cancel the policy exactly 10 days after signing the papers. It was long before the insurance company could receive the papers. When I called them, they did not knew yet that their agent, the dealer, wrote the policy.
The manager at dealership told me, that he canceled the insurance, and that the insurance company returned the payment. It took so long because at first they waited for papers from the dealer, and than one paper turned to be out of order and had to be sent again. So I do not think the dealership had to pay anything from its own funds.
The policy was written not by GMAC insurance (if such a thing exists), but by a Florida company I never heard before. BTW, exactly this attracted my attention when I browsed the papers the next weekend after buying the car. I even could not find the insurer at Internet, probably the company is very small.
I do not think that GMAC pressured the dealership - because I worked with the dealership manager, not GMAC. E-mailed GMAC at the very beginning, to understand, who is cancelling the insurance: GMAC, insurance company, or dealer. Turned to be that dealer. Later I called GMAC couple of times, but asked only one thing: did they already received the reimbursement, or not yet.
Do not know what is written in the law books, but 5 years of prison looks absolutely out of proportion. People gets 3 years for rape! What the manager deserve for the trick, in my mind, is a serious reprimand. But I do not understand at all the logic of American Law.
We had no experience with buying a new car before. The incident taught us that it is wrong just to drop and sign: we had to allocate much more time on this procedure. Thought this is just a formality: all prices and loan conditions were already discussed before...
I definitely was wrong to sign the papers without reading them. Will read thoroughly papers at dealership the next time we will buying a car. Probably in 2007-2008: our 1998 Malibu will be 10 years old then.
Though, the reading is a major undertaking. It took about 4 hours to work through all papers. Not at dealership, but in comfort of my home, with computer ready available. Of course, after founding the problem, I read everything thoroughly, too thoroughly: even small print at back sides of the forms, and verified all calculations.
On the other hand, it took about 10 minutes of browsing the papers to catch the problem with the credit insurance, and after another 10 minutes I became sure. All subsequent labor was wasted on verifying.
One manager in one dealership did (or rather said) wrong thing. Cannot see how could it make you look bad.
bye. mark
I went to the dealer. They told me the seat is not under warranty and they would not do anything for me. The car salesman himself paid to have more padding put into my seat. I think TPken is right. The car was a rental car. I bought it because rental companies always do their maintenance oil changes and such. It seemed to me that a very large person had sat in the seat. When I sat in it for the test drive I didn't notice anything. After driving it home for an hour I felt like I was falling into a hole!
Now that the seat has been stuffed it is better than it was, but I am still having problems with my back. I will be going to the doctor on Monday. I afraid it is going to get out of control and turn into a chronic problem if I don't get my back taken care of. The sad thing is if it wasn't for the seat I would love the car as it is now I just can not get comfortable no matter what I do. The dealer says they'll sell me another car and treat the Regal as a trade in. That would put me too far in the hole. If I was going to do that I would go to any other dealer in town but them!
Leone
Hopefully the doctor will have some good advice on seating positions.
I had a 93 Park Avenue that no matter what my wife did, she could not get comfortable. She could not ride in the car without back pain. We purchased the car new and the dealer paid to have the seat restuffed, which didn't work. I loved the car, but finally had to get rid of it. When we purchased the 01GS, we took may a test drive to make sure it was comfortable for my wife. It has turned out to be quite comfortable for her.
Don't know what else to say, other than I know exactly what you are going thru and best of luck to you!
Good Luck!
Still to day haven't found a 98-99 maroon GS. If I can't "find" one in 2-3 months...I'll begin the upgrade plans to the LS...As it has the GT suspension. I still contend that the LS's 200HP is more than enough power for the regular humanoid. Yet sometime we need a BOOST of reality in terms of the supercharger. Maybe a GS wasn't in the cards for me.
I have three reaccurring problems:
One is my rear passenger window...periodically DOESN'T want to roll down. This phantom problem occurs once or twice a month. Does this happen to anyone??? What was your "cause/cure"???
The second is my interior driving dash lights will dim out of nowhere??? I'll be driving and BANG they dim or BANG they turn "ON". Has/does this happen to anyone??? What was your "cause/cure"???
The third is the small dings and scratches on my doors!!! Why can't people be slowly open the DOOR!!! I even tried take up two parking spaces on the far edge of the parking lot...BFD. Somehow if by magic they still occur. I'll try "Dent Buster's" to repair the digs and touch up the doors. Has anyone has negative/positive results with "Dent Buster"???
HB396-Spioler
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Saile
Haven't had any problems with the windows in my LS - it's at 16K now. However, before that I had a 96 Olds Ciera, and it's windows kind of acted like yours are - ended up having the motors for them replaced. The window thing started happening over a year before I got tired of putting up with it. Any chance that the Regal uses the same motor for windows that Olds does? (My spider sense says maybe - they're both GM products after all)
oh well guess we have to pay for driving such awesome vehicles.
By the way I don't have a regal but I'm looking at differnt cars for when I get my job out of college (I will be a commercial airline pilot), I don't like cars, but a hot rod that would be good to commute to work in (which will be about every three to four days) and save miles on the Crew Cab 2500HD I want to get .
Hmm I better get a wife so I don't spend all my money on cars