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"Exterior styling could be jazzier. The styling looks a bit too much like an Accord, which is not surprising as the TL is based on their Global Product Platform and shares 70% of the parts. This worried me at first, but a closer inspection makes it clear that the TL is a far superior product. The fit and finish, the glossy paint and the performance driving are all superior in the TL"
Oh, Impala-lala-lala-lala and more la-lalala
Are you sure you're not confusing the way GM defines platform, where the majority of parts, including the engine, transmission, suspension, steering and brakes are the same? In the case of the GrandAmlero, even some body panels appear to be the same.
BTW, they meant additions to the 2000 TL compared to the 1999 TL, not additions to an Accord.
GM is guilty as charged as so every other player in the industry that practices platform sharing...
In Ford/Jaguar's case, it's also far less than some people assume.
However, I do agree with you on the dilution of brand image. I also don't like the Taurus-like rear end on the S-type, an otherwise unique and classy looking vehicle.
GM still doesn't come close to other companies as far as differentiating cars on the same platform. Still too many shared parts, W-bodies are a lot more alike and share a lot more parts than say a TL and Accord or a Camry and RX300. Then there are the trucks/SUVs.. How many friggin badge engineered versions of the Trailblazer do we need?
Any questions?
BTW, take a look at the overseas Honda Accord Type-R.....why American Honda insists on bestow upon the American public this 4 banger plastic wheeled Accord LX??? How about that sweet looking Avancier wagon with a 5-speed manual mated to the V6??
Well, my 2000 Impala LS was bought in February 2001. Technically, it's a 2001 model.
Anyway, I wasn't serious about selling my Impala. Just wanted to see if anyone would bite on the offer. If I can get rid of it for $18K even, I'll definitely sell it. With the cash, I'll settle for the Chevy Cavalier with the $2002 GM rebate and $2K on my GM Card rebate. Drive the Cavalier for 6-7 months until the new G35 coupe comes out. By the time I'm ready for the G35 coupe, hopefully, my stock portfolio will recover by year end. Yikes!
Someone asked about the rotors? Yes I was told it was a wear item as well, and they graciously offered to turn mine as well with no charge. The pads are still good and shouldn't need a full on brake job for another 10k miles maybe. I have now 36001 miles on my Impala...
Going back to sleep now....
:-)
But I had to change my post a bit, I figured out something I said belonged somewhere else.
Impala? Um, yes IMPALA!
heh heh
Pat
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Many folks here have had that done. I would never settle gor a resurface.
It's a pretty sharp looking car, this IMPALA. Smells nice, too!
If not, will turning the rotors eliminate the problem without a reoccourance as well as new rotors might? This seems to be debatable as well.
Imagine a warped LP record, and shaving the A and B sides in order to create a smooth, unwarped surface.
You will end up with alternating thin and thick sections.
2. Brake rotors are considered wear items and are not covered by warranty.
3. GM recommends its dealers replacing them under warranty nevertheless, if the wheels were serviced by GM dealers only. Because the dealer most probably caused the problem, see (1).
4. The (3) is just a recommendation, not a law. The dealer have the last word.
You can try another dealer, however.
5. If you rotated tires even once out of GM dealership network, i.e. at home or at independent shop, you are out of lack.
6. Turning warping rotors would not cure the problem. Once the warping develops, the rotors will warp again and again.
However, the turned rotors will be good for several thousand miles. Better than nothing, if it is for free.
7. You can replace the GM rotors by aftermarket ones. They are considerably less expensive and of better quality. Often have warranty for life, or while you still own the car.
8. Most probably, it will be less expensive to do the job in an independent shop. Additionally, why give your business to the dealer who failed you?
9. Given you know in advance that you will need the service, you can shop around for better quality and/or prices. Look for sales and coupons from Firestone, Menike, etc. If you see a good deal, do not wait till the rotors warp again.
You could have a manifold coolant leak, too.
The dealer did comp me an lof for my troubles. Now I am concerned about when I have my tires rotated. I guess most places will hand tighten the lugs if asked.
Also does anyone know how to fix a rattling glove box?
Then again it might be a bad light...
Moff3206, The glove box fix was detailed awhile back by Teo on his 2000LS and I followed his directions and did the repair also. It works. The key is to raise the level of the latch so that the clasp engages earlier. It tightens it up. Just remove the bar latch and add a couple of small washers or use rubber grommets if you can find some small ones. I used some small plastic washers I had left over from putting up a tin shed, they were small enough and the plastic helped to deaden the sound. While doing that fix I noticed that the plastic covers that are under the dashboard and glove box were also loose (just clipped in place and not very well either)so I checked behind them to make sure there was nothing vital and I drilled some small pilot holes and put sheet metal screws in them to hold them up and keep them from rattling too. These screws have hexagonal heads which makes them easy to remove should you need to access the area behind the panels.
I don't recall if Nathan had a do it yourself for the glove box fix but you could try his site...
Hope that helps.
And so I did.
I've been told that that kind of error is within spec from the customer service people. The dealer replaced the fuel tank sensor and there was no difference. Funny thing is they can't tell me
what signals feed the computer. I figure it is somehow related to speed because the error is much greater around town than on the highway.
I've kept track since I got the 2001 Impala LS
last July and it has only come close (10%error) once when my average speed was around 60-70 mph.
Is there a fix or can GM get away with an option that isn't accurate?
What is strange is that this is a GM product and the same technology is used on all product lines yet they don't recognize that there is a problem worth fixing.
Man, life is good when we only have to complaint about clunking ISS and mathematically incorrect DICs...LOL.
I think some of you should take a look at the problem tread forums here in Edmunds.....by comparison we all look Golden!
I hear the lame excuse from too many people that say "oh well its only $200" I don't want to upset anyone! I will just go and get it done at my expense. "that service manager he scares me, don't want him yelling at me!!
If you bought a watch that didn't keep proper time, and you spoke to the store manager and he said thats the way it is, would you just throw it in the drawer or take it up a notch and connect with the right person to fix it or get your $$ back?
If I end up having Cradle or ISS problems with this car, and the service manager says "suck it up" I will guarantee that my Cradle or ISS issue will be dealt with properly or some form of equal compensation will be given. These two issues have been going on WAY too long. In a couple years thousands of unsuspecting 2nd and 3rd Impala owners of these cars will be paying big bucks for these repairs that GM should have taken care of 2 years ago!! Come on everyone! when you have a problem with your car and you sincerly believe you didn't abuse it or cause the problem, take the time and necessary steps to let GM know your dissatisfaction, and you want it FIXED, REPAIRED, OR COMPENSATED. We all deserve that, we bought their product with the intentions of it performing the way that we expect it to be......
I return it, ask for either replacement or refund.
If neither is granted, then I cut my losses and sell it.
Then I move on with life. Not worth losing sleep or getting high blood pressure over a car.
Been there, done that.
On a 250 mile trip i recorded 27.75 mpg and the DIC said 27.8 mpg. I guess it rounds up.
of course, i never shut the car off during the trip.
Nice perk, oh and I didn't have to [non-permissible content removed] and moan about my $150 DIC to get it..LOL.
Imagine if I did...I would get a brand new car for free!
david.westgate@gm.com
Let me know how you make out.
John
I wasn't trying to paint you as a mean person, just that sometimes you can get the same results by explaining your disatisfaction with the product calmly than by "amping" it up, pun intended.
Please accept my sincere apology if I offended you.
Intrigue is a love / hate affair: owners have problems with alternators, hate the unexpainable front noises, but are absolutely delighted by the road handling and passing power.
I just wish more people would learn to solve problems then walk away from them.
My Buick dealership provides free oil change for life to the original buyers of new cars. So long, so good. However, you need to make appointment for the service, the dealership is open in business time only, and changing oil takes about 2 hours. I'd rather pay.
Maintenance boards are, well, maintenance boards. People post here when they have problems, not small problems usually. Would anybody go to the board to tell how comfortable he was driving 1000 miles to visit his parents, or that a teenager neighbor stared on his car...
Remember Charts, Just one year ago I was in the process of getting my 2000 LS repurchased by GM. Part of my success in this endeavor was by expressing my dissatisfaction with the product and requesting either a replacement or full refund. I was lucky because I was able to get this accomplished through my own Service Manager which took care of everything from beginning to end and handled himself like a true gentleman. He did enough to earn my business and trust for years to come. I did not buy that 2000 LS from his dealership, but he took full responsability as if he had personally sold the car to me.
Part of that success can also be attributed to the fact that I was polite, reasonable and firm in my requests and in what I was expecting from the dealer and GM. They finally stood behind their product and came thorugh.
When you go ballistic thinking that you will get things done your way just for the asking, forget it. Even if al evidence leans in your favor, you still can't come ahead. Politeness is key in business and anything else in life.
I personally prefer to read about owner's experiences than to stare at red or black dots that don't tell me the whole story from flipping the pages of Consumer Reports.