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I took the survey when you first mentioned it on the board and received my t-shirt a couple of weeks ago. It is a very nice t-shirt!
"01-02-32-001A; replaces 01-02-32-001; Clunk noise from front of vehicle during turning maneuver/steering wheel rotation (Lubricate intermediate shaft); specified 1997-2002 Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Pontiac models."
Your ISS needs to be either re-lubed or replaced. The clunks will not go away, so take action as soon as possible.
temperature has little to do with the frequency of clunks felt/heard (Faint sound). The ISS shaft has lost lubrication and needs to be re-lubed.
Last week, I took my Impala in for an oil change. While there, I decided to have the engine hestitation look into. I told him there is a software upgrade for the PCM. Done. As of today, no engine hesitation yet. Will post next month if this permanently fix the hestitation. Oh another thing, after having the software upgraded, I noticed that my engine is more responsive and more "torquey". It hauls [non-permissible content removed] now!!
Funny you mentioned about this TSB. As for the infamous "amp", I had him check out the "lack" of bass while at the dealership. (Let me make this clear that I don't think I have any problem with my amp). I just wanted to see if I can get a free replacement like everyone else.
The Service Director offered me a ride back to my company, since the Shuttle service came and went while I was in the restroom for 30 seconds! While we were on our way to my company, he told me he heard about my claim from his service guy on the amp replacement. He offered to replace the amp and would order as soon as possible. GREAT!!
Later in the day, I came to pick up the car. I read the service order before paying for my oil change and tire rotation. No where did the service order mention about replacing the amp. I was bummed that they didn't replace the amp!! All they did was adjust GM Tech Level 2 tool. They said it should improve" the bass level. Although I didn't notice the difference in sound from before and after, I didnt' put anymore emphasis on this amp issue.
FYI, for those who claim to have no bass from the amp, have the dealer perform GM Tech Level 2. Let me know if this made any difference for you.
Apparently, some changes were made to this board and - at least on my system - there are bugs
The marked posts do NOT take you to the marked item, but way above them.
You CANNOT scroll back 20 posts. It appears at first to let you, but in reality the screen feed you get is EXACTLY the same again. And there are NO handy links to go back at the end of the lists of viewed posts, like there were.
Host/Hostess? Is there a TSB on this? Do we need a body control module upgrade (I hope not, my body is out of control and has been for years, but I am the one who needs to cut back on intake!)
And, oh, by the way: IMPALA.
Coming up on one year (2001 LS 01-01 10,542 miles) still love this car! So does the rest of my family. Anybody notice the "CLEAN" message for running a cleaning tape through your cassette deck? Saw it briefly last night.
Thanks.
Is there a Host in the House??
Again, the Shim Kit Fix only applies to the ALUMINUM ENGINE CRADLE, which is unrelated to the ISS. The infamous engine cradle noises were described as "Metal ticks or metal pinging sounds" when turning the wheel at low speeds (Parking maneuvers). Engine Cradle symptom noises do not include CLUNKS. CLUNKS (Faint sound, and looseness feel in the steering) felt through the steering wheel column and brake pedal when making low speed turns are related to the ISS, not the Engine Cradle.
It is important for you and to anyone to make this distinction properly to avoid unecessary repairs or have one item fixed and not the other, or worse yet to have unrelated parts randomly replaced, thus introducing new problems due often to dealer misdiagnose of the problems.
I suspect that your car has the original factory ISS part and therefore it has never been touched. If you are in fact feeling steering wheel looseness and faint clunking sounds are heard, it means that your ISS must be either re-lubed (Likely) or replaced (Unlikely).
The TSB that you need to pass along to your servicing dealer is: TSB#01-02-32-001A issued February 2002. This TSB Notice replaces original notice 01-02-32-001. TSB 01-02-32-001A instructs your dealer to RE-LUBE your ISS, not to replace it.
So, if aside from the clunks you are also picking up metal pinging noises when turning the steering wheel it also means that your ENGINE CRADLE shim kit fix has failed.
If you are not picking up any other noises other than the clunking felt on the steering wheel column, then leave your engine cradle alone and concentrate on having the dealer re-lube your ISS.
Hope this helps.
The software engineers rolled in some changes last night, and some things changed that were not supposed to. AFAIK, no one can see anything but the last 20 posts in any given discussion.
The problem is being addressed, I assure you.
And no, at the moment there is no estimated get well time.
We are sorry.
Pat
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Time waster.
I was wondering of the factors that can decrease trade-in value such as window tinting.
I would think that the dealers could hold that over a buyer's head since "everyone doesn't want their windows tinted" type of thing.
I am just looking to get the most $$$ for the trade-in when that time comes. I checked out kbb.com and I could possibly get around 15K if I traded yesterday - today it is probably worth 13K.... DOH!
RR
Take a look at Autotrader.com. Do a search on used 2001 Impala LS for sale. They are vew few and far in between. The used Impala ads are made up mostly of ex-fleet Impala base sedan models. Most LS models listed in Autotrader are private sales and a lesser number come from dealers and car rental fleets. Check out the price ranges...between $17K to $20K for used Impala LS with mileage rates anywhere between 10K and 30K miles.
These cars are holding their value better than expected and due to the scarcity of Impala LS models in the used car market I would suggest for you to make the effort of selling it privately and make more dough in the process.
There are some used 2001 Impala base sedans selling for almost $18K in the used car market, which is insane!.
The only real advantage of trading your car to a dealer is that in some states you can receive a tax brake and only pay tax on the difference between the new and old cars. This way you can save around $1K right off the bat in sales tax alone, but still doesn't make up for the loss of trading a car to a dealer and receiving below wholesale price (Often you are quoted Auction prices).
Last, if your tints and other aftermarket accessories are well installed, of high quality and meet minimum manufacturer requirements for safety, operation and appearance, you have nothing to worry about. Anyone that will give you heck because you decided to put tinted windows in your car, is just seeking for a pretty lousy negotiating point to get a reduction on the selling price, that's all.
Will you also get blamed because you picked the car with a rear decklid spoiler, Alloy wheels, leather seats, sunroof, black, red, white or blue? I think not!
By the way, which Lexus' stole your heart away from your Impala? Perhaps an IS300 or ES300??
>>>Take a look at Autotrader.com. Do a search on used 2001 Impala LS for sale. They are vew few and far in between. The used Impala ads are made up mostly of ex-fleet Impala base sedan models. Most LS models listed in Autotrader are private sales and a lesser number come from dealers and car rental fleets. Check out the price ranges...between $17K to $20K for used Impala LS with mileage rates anywhere between 10K and 30K miles.
Here in the Southeast, used American cars sell better. In the Northeast and midwest American cars are extremely popular.
Here in South Florida Impalas new or used sell well and command good resale values. Might not be the case in your local city or state of residence.
Persistance pays!
My question was geared more toward the dealer trade, because they would be the ones to "give me heck" over the tinting and such. A private buyer would simply not be interested in the car if they didn't want tint and I would be none the wiser.
I guess when the time comes that I can afford that IS300 with the E-Shift, I will look into selling the LS to a private party as I know I could squeeze a few more bucks out of them.
I did tons of homework before purchasing the Impala and was rewarded with a great looking, solid performing automobile. The first that I have been happy with. Not giving her up easily. Hope she doesn't have internet access - she may be reading this. Hmmm, maybe "black01ls" is really her! LOL!
garypen - hope they start 'biting' soon!
Thanks for the input guys.
Steve
This is often the stigma 1 and 2 year old used cars often face. People think you are trying to unload a lemon, whether that's the case or not.
I presume the Jag is far more marketable in your area??
The Lexus IS300 is a nice drive and the car handles extremely well. (50/50 weight distribution and RWD).
But in my eyes the IS300 has glaring faults not evident in the Bimmer. For example, the IS300 is too small, specially in the back seat and trunk. If you are used to a big car like the Impala, you'll feel cheated in the IS300. Too cramped.
Also the interior materials are extremely cheap for a $30K car and that escaine/leather upholstery, YUCK!
When I drove that IS300 automatic last year I also noticed that the car have almost no low end power! You have to push the mother and rev it to get right into the powerband. But after that it flies.
I dislike the overall rice-rocket looks of that car. The mid 1990's Honda Accord similiarity in the shape dilutes the exclusivity of this car IMO. The rear clear tailights are another rice rocket ornament that doesn't bode well with a Lexus car.
The only advantage of the IS300 vs its RWD German competition is that you can pick up one fully loaded for real cheap, because these cars are not selling well in the market (About 1K units per month). You can get a fully loaded $35K IS300 for about $29K give and take.
IMo there are better choices in the small, sport RWD sedan segment. You owe yo yourself (When the time comes) to check out the BMW 3 series, Cadillact CTS and the new Infiniti G35 all much better cars and values for the money than the IS300.
If I really wanted an IS300, I would wait for the next major redesign of the car. You could also wait for the 2003 Pontiac GTO (Holden Monaro) 5.7L V8 300HP+ RWD and 6-speed manual for about the same price of the BMW 3 series and the IS300.
My next car will be RWD at the very least.
It would be easier to find someone to take over the lease (it's leased). But, a sale is still possible, if the buyer's lending institution offers those types of loans. They involve a little more paperwork. Credit Unions are good for that sort of thing.
I'll get more nibbles, I hope. It looks great in the photo, I think. In the mean time, I still use it, when I need any kind of cargo or passenger space, which is in short supply in the XJS.
My goal is to sell my Impala for exactly the same price when I first bought it new. Remember, I used my GM card rebate points along with the dealer $4600 off and GM $2000 Auto Show discount.
I have no worries about "depreciation" LOL However, it's good to know that the new Impala LS pricing has gone up over the past 2 years.
Also, my overhead computer is basically useless. When the fuel gauge is on E I fill up with 16 gallons, the computer shoed I used 13.6, I always reset it when filling up. Obviously it also shows I got 29.2 MPG when it was really like 24!
Anyone else with this issue?
I am still a ways away from seriously looking for my next car. I'd love to buy a 330Ci coupe or an M3 for that matter, but people in hell want ice water, ya know.
I'll check out the Bimmer's again and the Infinity G35. How about the new Z from Nissan! That's a sweet looking ride!
RR
The new CL-S even comes with a 6 speed manual. It must fly with 260HP, a 6 speed, and a curb weight of around 3400. I don't know the MSRP, but CL's are traditionally marked down quite a bit, from what I've seen. I've heard they sell about 10 TL's for each CL.
CL's aren't currently selling well and in fact Honda has stated that if CL's sales doesn't pick up to acceptable levels the car will be axed this year. Apparently Honda is willing to sacrifice the CL in order to make room for the upcoming Honda "X" sport utility, shown at the Tokyo autoshow last year
I also have a few cars currently with both FWD and RWD, and, quite frankly, there is not much discernible difference between the two drive formats.
If I were to choose between a G35 and a TL-S, I'd take the TL-S hands down. In addition to its more attractive exterior appearance, it's interior is way way nicer, and it's $2500 cheaper (MSRP), comparibly equipped.
I don't care for Audis at all.
Anyway, a friend of mine's father owns a 2001 CL S-Type. I love the way that car looks and drives.
Looks like I was mistaken about the cost of the BMW. Seesm that they are going for about 34K. Not sure about the trim level, though. That's well above the 26K you shelled out for your CL - not a good thing.
One thing that the Acura has on it's side is that I don't see many around. I like that in a car and I can't say that for the BMW's. Dime a dozen. But the quality and performance speaks for itself with those Bavarian cars.
The hunt is still on.
Oh, I checked out that G35 and didn't really care for it. Never been an Infinity fan, I guess. Plus, I am loking for a coupe (I know the IS is a sedan - but it is small). Do the BMW's or CL's have a folding rear seat?
IMPALA
-Steve
I'm gonna miss the fold down rear seat when (and IF) I ever part with the Impala.
Pretty dumb.
You and your must not be "light travelers". Do you use your Impala's fold downs a lot?
Also, calling a TL or CL Accord-based is like calling a Jaguar S-type, Lincoln LS based, or an X-type Mondeo based.
Are there not Cadillacs that are Impala-based?
BTW, the interior is nicer in a CL/TL than a G35 or BMW 3-series. I don't know about the interior on new Audis, which in my mind are VW Passat-based. (Or are they Jetta-based?)
Also, calling a TL or CL Accord-based is like calling a Jaguar S-type, Lincoln LS based, or an X-type Mondeo based.
Are there not Cadillacs that are Impala-based?
BTW, the interior is nicer in a CL/TL than a G35 or BMW 3-series. I don't know about the interior on new Audis, which in my mind are VW Passat-based. (Or are they Jetta-based?)
Oh...Impala.
Where i live you can buy a 2002 LS with all the options except roof for 21.5K.
I paid 21.3K with tax for my 2001 last summer and thought i got a deal.
Who knew Vhevy would be offering $2002 cash back.
If i put my 2001 on the market it would be between 17.9 and 18.9K.
I think that is realistic in today's market.
I have never been fond of past Infinitis. I agree on that they were nothing more than warmed over Nissans beginning with the G20 sedan. But the new Altima and now the G35 platform is definetely a major step in the right direction. BTW, where's is Acura's latest effort into the sport sedan arena? A FWD Accord spinoff?? Acura needs a 50/50 RWD sedan and pronto.
I like the G35's design except the droopey butt, a signature of Infiniti since the J30 sedan was introduced in the early 1990's. That would be the only thing I would change on that car.
The TL/CL are indeed based on the Accord platform. So does the Ody/MDX Accord spinoffs. The cars are even built in the same plant in Marysville, Ohio. In overseas markets, the TL is sold as the "Honda Inspire" which is a super deluxe Honda Accord sedan. In NA is sold as an Acura in an attempt to try to distance it from its Honda Accord genes. The Old TL was based on the 1994-97 Honda Accord platform, but these 2 cars were better distanced from each other. The first time I saw the '99 TL I taught I was looking at a nicer Honda Accord.
Toyota shares the Camry platform over several models: Highlander, ES300, RX300, Sienna.
The Jaguar X-type is a rebadged Ford Mondeo sedan. Big mistake IMO. This car is diluting Jaguar's image quicker than Alka Seltzer. Now I see they are offering $349/39 Mos leases on new Jaguar X-type 2.5 sedans...it seems that not many people have bought into the hype. The Jaguar S-type is indeed a Lincoln. The engine is manufactured in the US. The only British thing about it, is its point of assembly.
The only true Jaguar in the lineup left is the XJ sedan. The others are just Ford copycats.
Cadillac doesn't make use of the W-body platform on which the Impala is based. However, only one Cadillac shares its platform among lower GM siblings...The Cadillac Seville and Eldorado. The H-body platform is also used by the Olds Aurora, Pontiac Bonneville and Buick LeSabre.
The BMW interior is a cut above any Acura interior. Its materials are first rate. As of matter of fact, the VW/Audi interior is the current industry benchmark and rightly so. Spend sometime in a new VW or Audi to see what I mean.
Bob Lutz agrees on this and his goal is to turn GM interiors into Audi-like in quality/design and appareance.
Impala-lala-lala
I believe there is more similarity between VW's and Audis, than with many other shared platforms.
Additionally, having a new CL, and test driving the new TL-S and Accord Sedan and Coupe, plus researching all four, I can say that there is very little similarity between the CL/TL and Accord. Different engines, suspensions, exhausts, body styles, interiors. What exactly is it they share? The frame?
I suggest you read Autoextremist.com. The real "High octane" truth about the Jaguar X-type. BTW, Jaguar is releasing a Jaguar X-type FWD in Europe..the first FWD Jaguar ever produced...what a shame.
Oh and the Mondeo is very nice. I have seen it in person. I know why Ford will not import it...it will automatically carve into Jaguar X-type sales territory...shall we say, Conflict of interest??