2005 and Earlier Chevrolet Impala

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  • mediumfrymediumfry Member Posts: 239
    If your ISS is the problem, you may need to pay to have it fixed since you're out of warranty. If the cradle is the problem, you can still get it fixed under warranty because they didn't fix it correctly the first time. Just bring your paperwork and do a little convincing...
  • spence30spence30 Member Posts: 52
    I had my ISS replaced at approx 46,000. The dealer covered it under warranty. They have some room to wiggle on problem parts. Your dealer should do the lube free of charge if they value you as a customer.
  • emtbemtb Member Posts: 42
    How does this thing word exactly? :)
  • sweetpollysweetpolly Member Posts: 99
    Hi Hvan,

    I took the survey when you first mentioned it on the board and received my t-shirt a couple of weeks ago. It is a very nice t-shirt!
  • mediumfrymediumfry Member Posts: 239
    What do you mean? You can hook up to the switched (accessory) or always on wires and power whatever you want on a dedicated 15 amp fuse. I can correspond with you off-line if you want to discuss more details.
  • vexvex Member Posts: 14
    Could others Impala drivers tell me if the clunk sounds are being heard consistently. My 01 base impala with 3.8L (04/01 build date) is making sounds while turning but not on a regular basis. Does temperature make a difference (ie. summer less noise than winter)?
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Vex, refer your servicing dealer to the following TSB notice:

    "01-02-32-001A; replaces 01-02-32-001; Clunk noise from front of vehicle during turning maneuver/steering wheel rotation (Lubricate intermediate shaft); specified 1997-2002 Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Pontiac models."

    Your ISS needs to be either re-lubed or replaced. The clunks will not go away, so take action as soon as possible.

    temperature has little to do with the frequency of clunks felt/heard (Faint sound). The ISS shaft has lost lubrication and needs to be re-lubed.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Has anyone had its ISS previously "re-lubed" just to have the clunks to re-appear many miles down the road again????
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    <<01-08-44-012: Radio Bass level TOO HIGH (Adjust bass level using GM Tech Tool Level 2); 2001-02 Chevrolet Impala, Montecarlo. (Didn't know the Boomy bass sound issue could be solved via using the GM Tech Level 2 tool, COOL!>>

    Last week, I took my Impala in for an oil change. While there, I decided to have the engine hestitation look into. I told him there is a software upgrade for the PCM. Done. As of today, no engine hesitation yet. Will post next month if this permanently fix the hestitation. Oh another thing, after having the software upgraded, I noticed that my engine is more responsive and more "torquey". It hauls [non-permissible content removed] now!!

    Funny you mentioned about this TSB. As for the infamous "amp", I had him check out the "lack" of bass while at the dealership. (Let me make this clear that I don't think I have any problem with my amp). I just wanted to see if I can get a free replacement like everyone else. :) I twisted the truth about me calling GM Customer Service, and GM advised ordering the 103 amp. (I consider it a "challenge" to see if he would "bite"). The service guy gave me lip service, yadda yadda. No luck. Fine. No harm no foul since I didn't think I had a problem anyway.

    The Service Director offered me a ride back to my company, since the Shuttle service came and went while I was in the restroom for 30 seconds! While we were on our way to my company, he told me he heard about my claim from his service guy on the amp replacement. He offered to replace the amp and would order as soon as possible. GREAT!!

    Later in the day, I came to pick up the car. I read the service order before paying for my oil change and tire rotation. No where did the service order mention about replacing the amp. I was bummed that they didn't replace the amp!! All they did was adjust GM Tech Level 2 tool. They said it should improve" the bass level. Although I didn't notice the difference in sound from before and after, I didnt' put anymore emphasis on this amp issue.

    FYI, for those who claim to have no bass from the amp, have the dealer perform GM Tech Level 2. Let me know if this made any difference for you.
  • hank64hank64 Member Posts: 37
    Anyone else having problems with the "scroll up 20 messages" feature? Or the auto log-in? Also, the saved message links in the message center are inoperable.
    Apparently, some changes were made to this board and - at least on my system - there are bugs
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Yep, me too.

    The marked posts do NOT take you to the marked item, but way above them.

    You CANNOT scroll back 20 posts. It appears at first to let you, but in reality the screen feed you get is EXACTLY the same again. And there are NO handy links to go back at the end of the lists of viewed posts, like there were.

    Host/Hostess? Is there a TSB on this? Do we need a body control module upgrade (I hope not, my body is out of control and has been for years, but I am the one who needs to cut back on intake!)

    And, oh, by the way: IMPALA.
  • wyoimpwyoimp Member Posts: 87
    Everything works fine for me. I remember an post regarding the retrieving older posts by number and something to do with deleted posts causing the number to be inaccurate. That would explain why clicking on one post will give a diiferent post than desired.
    Coming up on one year (2001 LS 01-01 10,542 miles) still love this car! So does the rest of my family. Anybody notice the "CLEAN" message for running a cleaning tape through your cassette deck? Saw it briefly last night.
  • dmullinsdmullins Member Posts: 30
    I just spoke to my chevy dealer here in Atlanta. The shim kit was applied 3/29/01 (26,888 miles). I now have 47,000 miles and the clunking is back. The service advisor told me he would try to work it out so it is repaired under warranty. I plan to bring the car in tomorrow. I know they would probably do the ISS lube TSB under warranty, but is there a TSB that replaces the ISS?

    Thanks.
  • tpkentpken Member Posts: 1,108
    Doesn't work for me either. I noticed it last night when trying to do so in our Bonneville forum. It still doesn't work.

    Is there a Host in the House??
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    No, there are not TSB's issued for the purpose of replacing the ISS, rather to re-lube the existing ISS part in the car.

    Again, the Shim Kit Fix only applies to the ALUMINUM ENGINE CRADLE, which is unrelated to the ISS. The infamous engine cradle noises were described as "Metal ticks or metal pinging sounds" when turning the wheel at low speeds (Parking maneuvers). Engine Cradle symptom noises do not include CLUNKS. CLUNKS (Faint sound, and looseness feel in the steering) felt through the steering wheel column and brake pedal when making low speed turns are related to the ISS, not the Engine Cradle.

    It is important for you and to anyone to make this distinction properly to avoid unecessary repairs or have one item fixed and not the other, or worse yet to have unrelated parts randomly replaced, thus introducing new problems due often to dealer misdiagnose of the problems.

    I suspect that your car has the original factory ISS part and therefore it has never been touched. If you are in fact feeling steering wheel looseness and faint clunking sounds are heard, it means that your ISS must be either re-lubed (Likely) or replaced (Unlikely).

    The TSB that you need to pass along to your servicing dealer is: TSB#01-02-32-001A issued February 2002. This TSB Notice replaces original notice 01-02-32-001. TSB 01-02-32-001A instructs your dealer to RE-LUBE your ISS, not to replace it.

    So, if aside from the clunks you are also picking up metal pinging noises when turning the steering wheel it also means that your ENGINE CRADLE shim kit fix has failed.

    If you are not picking up any other noises other than the clunking felt on the steering wheel column, then leave your engine cradle alone and concentrate on having the dealer re-lube your ISS.

    Hope this helps.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Yes it is. :(

    The software engineers rolled in some changes last night, and some things changed that were not supposed to. AFAIK, no one can see anything but the last 20 posts in any given discussion.

    The problem is being addressed, I assure you.

    And no, at the moment there is no estimated get well time.

    We are sorry.

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  • It's also annoying that when I go to a subcribed group with new messages. Instead of showing only the new messages with only the most recent older message, I get all 20 of the most recent.
    Time waster.
  • roderacerroderacer Member Posts: 311
    Not planning on trading in the Impala just yet, but I will be in the market for another car in a while, possibly a Lex or something.

    I was wondering of the factors that can decrease trade-in value such as window tinting.

    I would think that the dealers could hold that over a buyer's head since "everyone doesn't want their windows tinted" type of thing.

    I am just looking to get the most $$$ for the trade-in when that time comes. I checked out kbb.com and I could possibly get around 15K if I traded yesterday - today it is probably worth 13K.... DOH!

    RR
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    RR, I would personally never trade a car. The price you pay for this "Convenience" is often higher than you might expect. Before giving away my car to a dealer I would put the time an effort in selling it privately. Remember that in a private sale you can make as much as $1 to $3K or more over a dealer trade in price offer. To me that is worth it in despite of the obvious hassles involved with selling your own car yourself, such as the time, the cost, the risks involved in the transaction, the test drives, etc, etc.

    Take a look at Autotrader.com. Do a search on used 2001 Impala LS for sale. They are vew few and far in between. The used Impala ads are made up mostly of ex-fleet Impala base sedan models. Most LS models listed in Autotrader are private sales and a lesser number come from dealers and car rental fleets. Check out the price ranges...between $17K to $20K for used Impala LS with mileage rates anywhere between 10K and 30K miles.

    These cars are holding their value better than expected and due to the scarcity of Impala LS models in the used car market I would suggest for you to make the effort of selling it privately and make more dough in the process.

    There are some used 2001 Impala base sedans selling for almost $18K in the used car market, which is insane!.

    The only real advantage of trading your car to a dealer is that in some states you can receive a tax brake and only pay tax on the difference between the new and old cars. This way you can save around $1K right off the bat in sales tax alone, but still doesn't make up for the loss of trading a car to a dealer and receiving below wholesale price (Often you are quoted Auction prices).

    Last, if your tints and other aftermarket accessories are well installed, of high quality and meet minimum manufacturer requirements for safety, operation and appearance, you have nothing to worry about. Anyone that will give you heck because you decided to put tinted windows in your car, is just seeking for a pretty lousy negotiating point to get a reduction on the selling price, that's all.

    Will you also get blamed because you picked the car with a rear decklid spoiler, Alloy wheels, leather seats, sunroof, black, red, white or blue? I think not!

    By the way, which Lexus' stole your heart away from your Impala? Perhaps an IS300 or ES300??
  • It's not the case with mine. I listed my LS with only 5000 miles (8000 miles now), far less than those ex-rentals. Plus, fully equipped, which the ex-rentals aren't, and at a lower price. Yet, I've only gotten a couple of nibbles, and it's been listed for months! I think I put it in in October or November!


    >>>Take a look at Autotrader.com. Do a search on used 2001 Impala LS for sale. They are vew few and far in between. The used Impala ads are made up mostly of ex-fleet Impala base sedan models. Most LS models listed in Autotrader are private sales and a lesser number come from dealers and car rental fleets. Check out the price ranges...between $17K to $20K for used Impala LS with mileage rates anywhere between 10K and 30K miles.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Well, it also depends where you live and the market demand for these cars. If you live in the West, particuraly California, most American cars are a tough sell among a sea of buyers that prefer import Asian and European vehicles.

    Here in the Southeast, used American cars sell better. In the Northeast and midwest American cars are extremely popular.

    Here in South Florida Impalas new or used sell well and command good resale values. Might not be the case in your local city or state of residence.

    Persistance pays!
  • roderacerroderacer Member Posts: 311
    You make a good point about selling the car on my own. I did that with my last car - would have made money, except that I sold it to family so you know how that goes.

    My question was geared more toward the dealer trade, because they would be the ones to "give me heck" over the tinting and such. A private buyer would simply not be interested in the car if they didn't want tint and I would be none the wiser.

    I guess when the time comes that I can afford that IS300 with the E-Shift, I will look into selling the LS to a private party as I know I could squeeze a few more bucks out of them.

    I did tons of homework before purchasing the Impala and was rewarded with a great looking, solid performing automobile. The first that I have been happy with. Not giving her up easily. Hope she doesn't have internet access - she may be reading this. Hmmm, maybe "black01ls" is really her! LOL!

    garypen - hope they start 'biting' soon!

    Thanks for the input guys.
    Steve
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Also, believe it or not, if you priced the car well below used market value for your area and the car only has 5K or 8K miles, that might actually fender off potential buyers. Why?, because anyone selling a less than 1 year old car so cheap often raises suspicion...is the car a lemon? Is the seller desperately trying to get rid of it? Why does it have low miles? Accident/flood damage?

    This is often the stigma 1 and 2 year old used cars often face. People think you are trying to unload a lemon, whether that's the case or not.
  • tpkentpken Member Posts: 1,108
    Good luck with your sale. Hard to believe that beauty of yours is not in high demand. Perhaps with school graduations coming up there will be a parent looking for a nice present in a month or 2.

    I presume the Jag is far more marketable in your area??
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    At some point I was enamored of the Lexus IS300, but after driving a BMW 325i, my interest for the Lexi quickly diminished.

    The Lexus IS300 is a nice drive and the car handles extremely well. (50/50 weight distribution and RWD).

    But in my eyes the IS300 has glaring faults not evident in the Bimmer. For example, the IS300 is too small, specially in the back seat and trunk. If you are used to a big car like the Impala, you'll feel cheated in the IS300. Too cramped.

    Also the interior materials are extremely cheap for a $30K car and that escaine/leather upholstery, YUCK!

    When I drove that IS300 automatic last year I also noticed that the car have almost no low end power! You have to push the mother and rev it to get right into the powerband. But after that it flies.

    I dislike the overall rice-rocket looks of that car. The mid 1990's Honda Accord similiarity in the shape dilutes the exclusivity of this car IMO. The rear clear tailights are another rice rocket ornament that doesn't bode well with a Lexus car.

    The only advantage of the IS300 vs its RWD German competition is that you can pick up one fully loaded for real cheap, because these cars are not selling well in the market (About 1K units per month). You can get a fully loaded $35K IS300 for about $29K give and take.

    IMo there are better choices in the small, sport RWD sedan segment. You owe yo yourself (When the time comes) to check out the BMW 3 series, Cadillact CTS and the new Infiniti G35 all much better cars and values for the money than the IS300.

    If I really wanted an IS300, I would wait for the next major redesign of the car. You could also wait for the 2003 Pontiac GTO (Holden Monaro) 5.7L V8 300HP+ RWD and 6-speed manual for about the same price of the BMW 3 series and the IS300.

    My next car will be RWD at the very least.
  • I have no intention of selling the Jag. I'm only selling the LS because I really don't want to pay for 2 cars. Granted, the Jag didn't cost much, so the payments are super low. But, even more reason to unload the bigger payment of the LS.

    It would be easier to find someone to take over the lease (it's leased). But, a sale is still possible, if the buyer's lending institution offers those types of loans. They involve a little more paperwork. Credit Unions are good for that sort of thing.

    I'll get more nibbles, I hope. It looks great in the photo, I think. In the mean time, I still use it, when I need any kind of cargo or passenger space, which is in short supply in the XJS.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    I placed an ad two weeks ago on my 2000 Impala LS for $18,900 (just to see if anyone would make me an offer). It has about 13.9K miles with Feb 2002 registration paid for. No offer yet! Oh well. My plan is to keep my Impala until Feb 2003 (after two years of ownership and fully paid for). At which time, I'm "thinking" of selling it and getting the G35 coupe.

    My goal is to sell my Impala for exactly the same price when I first bought it new. Remember, I used my GM card rebate points along with the dealer $4600 off and GM $2000 Auto Show discount.

    I have no worries about "depreciation" LOL However, it's good to know that the new Impala LS pricing has gone up over the past 2 years.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. At any rate check Autotrader.com or any other online used car publication. Check out the asking prices. You decide.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    And also keep in mind that the 0% deals on new cars have affected demand for used cars and consequently resale values.
  • jci1jci1 Member Posts: 34
    Has anyone had experience with their Impalas with the front brake rotors warping? My dealer says rotors are a "wear" item and are not covered by the 36/36 warranty. Chevy is willing to do a make good by truing them @ no charge. Anyone else had a similar experience?

    Also, my overhead computer is basically useless. When the fuel gauge is on E I fill up with 16 gallons, the computer shoed I used 13.6, I always reset it when filling up. Obviously it also shows I got 29.2 MPG when it was really like 24!
    Anyone else with this issue?
  • roderacerroderacer Member Posts: 311
    If it came down to a couple of grand, I'd definitely opt for the 330Ci Bimmer. I haven't seen a 330 for the cost of a IS300 anywhere and BMW is not really flexible with their pricing as far as I have heard.

    I am still a ways away from seriously looking for my next car. I'd love to buy a 330Ci coupe or an M3 for that matter, but people in hell want ice water, ya know.

    I'll check out the Bimmer's again and the Infinity G35. How about the new Z from Nissan! That's a sweet looking ride!

    RR
  • You might want to take either a CL-S or TL-S for a test drive. Even the base CL with its meager 225HP and auto trans is pretty zippy. We got ours for $26K, which ain't bad.
    The new CL-S even comes with a 6 speed manual. It must fly with 260HP, a 6 speed, and a curb weight of around 3400. I don't know the MSRP, but CL's are traditionally marked down quite a bit, from what I've seen. I've heard they sell about 10 TL's for each CL.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    But the Acuras are still FWD. Besides, why would you want a 260HP FWD car??? If you want better FWD handling, then go with the Audi A4.

    CL's aren't currently selling well and in fact Honda has stated that if CL's sales doesn't pick up to acceptable levels the car will be axed this year. Apparently Honda is willing to sacrifice the CL in order to make room for the upcoming Honda "X" sport utility, shown at the Tokyo autoshow last year
  • As I have mentioned before, I prefer it when a car I own doesn't sell well. It increases it's uniqueness. If popularity was a gauge of a car's quality and appeal, the Camccord would be the car to have, wouldn't it?
    I also have a few cars currently with both FWD and RWD, and, quite frankly, there is not much discernible difference between the two drive formats.
    If I were to choose between a G35 and a TL-S, I'd take the TL-S hands down. In addition to its more attractive exterior appearance, it's interior is way way nicer, and it's $2500 cheaper (MSRP), comparibly equipped.
    I don't care for Audis at all.
  • roderacerroderacer Member Posts: 311
    Yeah, gary, I just got finished running the comparison of the 3.2 CL S-Type using Edmunds. The 3 Series BMW along with the Benz, Saab, and Volvo's came up. Funny, no mention of the IS300.

    Anyway, a friend of mine's father owns a 2001 CL S-Type. I love the way that car looks and drives.

    Looks like I was mistaken about the cost of the BMW. Seesm that they are going for about 34K. Not sure about the trim level, though. That's well above the 26K you shelled out for your CL - not a good thing.

    One thing that the Acura has on it's side is that I don't see many around. I like that in a car and I can't say that for the BMW's. Dime a dozen. But the quality and performance speaks for itself with those Bavarian cars.

    The hunt is still on.

    Oh, I checked out that G35 and didn't really care for it. Never been an Infinity fan, I guess. Plus, I am loking for a coupe (I know the IS is a sedan - but it is small). Do the BMW's or CL's have a folding rear seat?

    IMPALA

    -Steve
  • The CL doesn't. Nor does the TL!!! A big design flaw, in my opinion. The fold down rear armrest opens up, so you can stow your skis, though. Big woop!
    I'm gonna miss the fold down rear seat when (and IF) I ever part with the Impala.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    My old TL had the same problem. The rationale for this is that personal luxury sedans or coupes are not used for carry objects other than skies, etc.

    Pretty dumb.
  • roderacerroderacer Member Posts: 311
    ...but fishing rods- yes! Hmmm, Maybe the CL is right up my alley.

    You and your must not be "light travelers". Do you use your Impala's fold downs a lot?
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    I still prefer an Audi, BMW, Infiniti (G35) even Maxima over any Accord based TL/CL. The design is boring, the interior so-so for the class. My old TL was a much nicer car than the current one. Build quality and materials second to none.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Sometimes. I like the 60/40 rear split seat back arragement. Comes in handy when you need it.
  • So, the Infinity isn't Altima/Maxima based? There are no cars on God's earth more boring to look at than Infinity's.
    Also, calling a TL or CL Accord-based is like calling a Jaguar S-type, Lincoln LS based, or an X-type Mondeo based.
    Are there not Cadillacs that are Impala-based?

    BTW, the interior is nicer in a CL/TL than a G35 or BMW 3-series. I don't know about the interior on new Audis, which in my mind are VW Passat-based. (Or are they Jetta-based?)
  • So, the Infinity isn't Altima/Maxima based? There are no cars on God's earth more boring to look at than Infinity's or Nissans.
    Also, calling a TL or CL Accord-based is like calling a Jaguar S-type, Lincoln LS based, or an X-type Mondeo based.
    Are there not Cadillacs that are Impala-based?

    BTW, the interior is nicer in a CL/TL than a G35 or BMW 3-series. I don't know about the interior on new Audis, which in my mind are VW Passat-based. (Or are they Jetta-based?)
  • roderacerroderacer Member Posts: 311
    Teo, how could you not think that the 3 Series isn't a little.... well, drab. I like the smooth lines on the CL a bit more than the Bavarian's.
  • You should see a 3 series on the inside. The word "spartan" comes to mind. It makes the outside seem downright exciting.

    Oh...Impala.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    18.9K is probably high for a 2000 LS. Might be a good place to start on a 2001.
    Where i live you can buy a 2002 LS with all the options except roof for 21.5K.
    I paid 21.3K with tax for my 2001 last summer and thought i got a deal.
    Who knew Vhevy would be offering $2002 cash back.
    If i put my 2001 on the market it would be between 17.9 and 18.9K.
    I think that is realistic in today's market.
  • My Impala came with a roof. I thought convertibles cost more anyway.
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    The Infiniti G35 is an all new RWD platform and therefore is not shared with other Infiniti models in the current lineup. The only other vehicle that will share the G35's platform is the upcoming Nissan Z car which essentially is a 2 door G35 rendition.

    I have never been fond of past Infinitis. I agree on that they were nothing more than warmed over Nissans beginning with the G20 sedan. But the new Altima and now the G35 platform is definetely a major step in the right direction. BTW, where's is Acura's latest effort into the sport sedan arena? A FWD Accord spinoff?? Acura needs a 50/50 RWD sedan and pronto.

    I like the G35's design except the droopey butt, a signature of Infiniti since the J30 sedan was introduced in the early 1990's. That would be the only thing I would change on that car.

    The TL/CL are indeed based on the Accord platform. So does the Ody/MDX Accord spinoffs. The cars are even built in the same plant in Marysville, Ohio. In overseas markets, the TL is sold as the "Honda Inspire" which is a super deluxe Honda Accord sedan. In NA is sold as an Acura in an attempt to try to distance it from its Honda Accord genes. The Old TL was based on the 1994-97 Honda Accord platform, but these 2 cars were better distanced from each other. The first time I saw the '99 TL I taught I was looking at a nicer Honda Accord.

    Toyota shares the Camry platform over several models: Highlander, ES300, RX300, Sienna.

    The Jaguar X-type is a rebadged Ford Mondeo sedan. Big mistake IMO. This car is diluting Jaguar's image quicker than Alka Seltzer. Now I see they are offering $349/39 Mos leases on new Jaguar X-type 2.5 sedans...it seems that not many people have bought into the hype. The Jaguar S-type is indeed a Lincoln. The engine is manufactured in the US. The only British thing about it, is its point of assembly.

    The only true Jaguar in the lineup left is the XJ sedan. The others are just Ford copycats.

    Cadillac doesn't make use of the W-body platform on which the Impala is based. However, only one Cadillac shares its platform among lower GM siblings...The Cadillac Seville and Eldorado. The H-body platform is also used by the Olds Aurora, Pontiac Bonneville and Buick LeSabre.

    The BMW interior is a cut above any Acura interior. Its materials are first rate. As of matter of fact, the VW/Audi interior is the current industry benchmark and rightly so. Spend sometime in a new VW or Audi to see what I mean.

    Bob Lutz agrees on this and his goal is to turn GM interiors into Audi-like in quality/design and appareance.

    Impala-lala-lala
  • Point of reference. While I agree the X-type is diluting teh Jaguar brand image due to its low price point, it is not a re-badged Mondeo. It only uses about 30% Ford parts. The S-type is roughly the same percentage, and uses different engines from it's Lincoln cousin.

    I believe there is more similarity between VW's and Audis, than with many other shared platforms.

    Additionally, having a new CL, and test driving the new TL-S and Accord Sedan and Coupe, plus researching all four, I can say that there is very little similarity between the CL/TL and Accord. Different engines, suspensions, exhausts, body styles, interiors. What exactly is it they share? The frame?
  • teoteo Member Posts: 2,508
    Platform, repeat after me, P-L-A-T-F-O-R-M. Is the same car. Of course the marketing makes you believe you are buying something better than an Accord. Same situation with the ES300 which is a Toyota Camry V6 XLE. Same hardware, different badges, and marketing schemes. Honda uses the Accord as a "Global" or "World" platform to be shared among many different models. Do you still believe your CL has an exclusive platform? No dice. Its call cost cutting and high returns. Everybody is doing it. But the Asians get praised for it.

    I suggest you read Autoextremist.com. The real "High octane" truth about the Jaguar X-type. BTW, Jaguar is releasing a Jaguar X-type FWD in Europe..the first FWD Jaguar ever produced...what a shame.

    Oh and the Mondeo is very nice. I have seen it in person. I know why Ford will not import it...it will automatically carve into Jaguar X-type sales territory...shall we say, Conflict of interest??
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