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look what happened to the s2000. we sold the 1st 3 for 42,000. the next 2 for 36,000 and the one that we have left we cant get rid off.
most of you dont remember the early nineties, accords sold for 1000 over msrp and preludes sold for 2500 over msrp.
by the time odyssey get cheap, honda will get its own MDX. honda always atleast one really hot item, the past year or so its been the odysseys.
My two cents for folks in the New England area when shopping for an Odyssey is to stay away from Herb Chambers in Burlington. My potential new car was delivered in 12/00 after waiting since 7/00. The day the car arrived I was told the price and to hurry up and get to the dealership the next day because, "We can sell this car tomorrow." When I got there the car had plastic all over it, was not clean and had not even had the PDI done. To further compound matters I was informed that the price quoted to me the previous day had just increase $500. Salesman however was ready for me to sign contract/pay the balance/ and buy all the extras at inflated prices. I requested to take car out on test drive. Car pulled to the right on test drive. I informed salesman of situation and told him I would pay balance after car was cleaned/past the PDI and right pull was corrected. Two days later I was informed all set for me to come in to pick up the car. To my dismay car was in same condition it was in when I first looked at it. I took the car out with him and the pull to right was still there, and he agreed. When I asked him what they did to fix the car, he said he did not know, but it passed the PDI the day before. I then gave him the Honda service bulletin on how to potentially correct the problem. When I refused to pay the balance on the vehicle until it was fixed is when the real fun started. Sales manager, who never called or talked to me during my 6-month wait, stepped into the picture. He was crass and rude to my wife and me. We stuck to our guns and told him we would pay when the car met our and Honda's standards.
Luckily the next day I got a call from Herb Chambers of Boston informing me that my car was in (It pays to be on more than one waiting list.) It was a pleasure dealing with them. The car was clean and went through a PDI before my test drive. Car did not pull to the right. During the one-hour test drive the salesman threw in some extras at no added cost to me because of the wait. Car actually cost what I was quoted over the phone. There was no mention of purchasing anything else and I did not have to go through the game of meeting with the sales manager.
My suggestion for folks in the Boston area is to call Ed Homann at Herb Chambers Honda of Boston. He is top notch.
On Jan 3rd, I emailed all dealers in 100 miles about purchase/wait time/prices. Got on 3 wait lists, 2 without deposit. All of which were very nice. All at MSRP. One other that had one in stock wanted $3000 over- not gonna happen. On Jan 6th, received call from one- had a van in and it was mine if I wanted it! So I jumped. I was not expecting for 6-8 weeks! Got a MB EX, like the features, would have liked the LX price better. But after comparing $$'s with other models, the only one I looked at that I could have gotten cheaper was really the Quest/Villager and they have decreased in quality and will not be produced much longer. Today I recieved an email from another dealer with an LX... think I'll keep the EX, love the extras. Will cry over price dif. later.
We have only put 50 miles on it so far, and thanks to all who have posted, I have been looking for all of the quirks of the Ody. So far, I am happy. Doesn't seem to pull, road noise does not seem bad, doors seem to work fine, and so on. If you know of other things to "look out" for, please inform... I let the Nissan service guys run me over in my Altima, I will be big squeaky wheel if my Honda makes a rattle.
Sorry so long, first post, excited about my new Ody...
Peace!
After some e-mail offers back and forth, we agreed on $23k even for our Granite Green LX. She was pleasant to work with and was quite up-front with us via e-mail.
I'm not sure if they have any '01 EXs in stock, but an e-mail to her can't hurt!
Tell her Steve and Holly say hi!
Good luck...
Good luck and be ASSURED that you can get at least $500 off MSRP in central Indiana.
Best deal for me was from Troy Honda. $500 off MRSP, $30 Doc fee, $19 title and transfer fee, plus local sales tax. Classic soft trim leather $1,200.
Second best deal from Ganley Honda. $640 off MRSP, but $1,600 for leather and $70.50 for doc fees, and temp Ohio license.
Troy Honda added splash guards and cargo tray to bridge the discount gap between their discount and Ganley's discount.
7 year warranty was $1,085 at Troy Honda, so I'm getting it from Hat field Honda in Ohio for $835 plus tax.
Some good people to deal with are Tom Theisen of Troy Honda. Very low key, a pleasure to deal with. No pressure at all. 248-649-0202 or troyhonda@aol.com. At Hatfield call Don Towle at 419-893-5581 or dontowle@netzero.net for the warranty.
If you don't want leather, go to Dave Preis at Ganley Honda since he offered the best MRSP discount. His e-mail address is preis2622@aol.com
Incidentally, demand may be down. When I first talked to Troy Honda, at the beginning of December, they had 2 Ody '01 EX SS coming in at the end of the month. Both were available for sale. I got one of them! Love it!
The Hickory dealership was great. While I couldn't get too far at our local dealership (they even laughed when I said I wouldn't buy a car without driving it first), I called the Hickory dealership on Friday (they're about 45 miles away), asking to test drive an Ody. They didn't have any on the lot, but worked hard to make arrangements to bring in an Ody owned by one of the employees for me to drive on Monday. Instead, they called me early Monday morning offering a silver LX that they had tracked down for me. It was for sale that day, it drove great, and we bought it.
While I read that some of you are able to get the Ody under MSRP, I couldn't find anyone within a reasonable distance from here willing to do so, and then they say there's a 2 month waiting list to boot. The Hickory dealership is good and easy to work with, and they are on the ball. We worked with David Russell. The phone number there is 1-800-763-2676.
Thanks
Finally gonna go ahead with it. Been watching this site since last spring, went into a local dealer and sat down with a salesman, and waited for the same old story. But remarkably, he told me MSRP + tax, $130 doc/prep, $133 for roof crossbars, total $29,320 approx, he promised no major surprises, $$$wise. Gonna go with the 2001 Grand Cara but ever look at there option packages, your head would spin and pocketbook would empty quick, have done alot of research, the Ody is the one for us. Our salesman said we could have it in 2 week SS EX, seems to be the most popular color these days, $500 deposit all we need to order, would really like an Emerald Green may wait around for it, considering how long we've waited thus far. We are in the New York City area, anybody out there have any better luck. Haven't given the deposit yet, been burned by that one once before, Live and Learn. Just lookin for some 12th hour advice or support, hate the thought of the big monthly car payment. Things haven't loosened up any in the Ody market. Any prospect of it happening soon? Any insider secrets out there? About to take the plunge in Brooklyn, NY.
I corresponded by E-Mail and found out about Majestic Honda in Warwick Rhode Island. I placed an order for an Odyssey on December 12th with three color options. My third choice was available for January delivery and I was guaranteed February delivery on my top two choices.
Well things got better from here, I got a call December 26th that my 2nd choice was on the lot and if I wanted to wait a week I could get my top choice. True to their word it was in after New Year's and I picked it up on January 6th. The color choices I had to choose from in a three week period were Granite Green, Mesa Beige and Starlight Silver (this is the one I went with).
I paid MSRP ($26,440+$400 destination). In hindsight maybe some negotiation was warranted but after all I heard about people paying premiums I was just happy with the deal I got and especially the timing. If anyone needs one fast call Mike Girard at Majestic: 401-822-2000.
Honda Care for the Odyssey:
7 yrs/70,000 miles $805
6 yrs/100,000 miles $895
willing to go down $50 each if my friend and I buy at same time.
Any COMMENT!!!
#1- I have worked for Nissan and have owned many, including a Quest.
#2- I was looking at a GLE with sunroof, leather, running boards + + +. MSRP- $31,054 Invoice- $27,524 (ODY MSRP- $26,400)
#3- How is it "lot more loaded." Except for fog lights, running boards, TV, leather, sunroof (all of which can be done easily with good aftermarket products IF it were a concern)- still no $5,000 difference! What DOES the Quest have that the Ody does not? Safety- NO, Reliability- NO, Size- NO, better mileage- NO, Horsepower- NO ...
#4- You are right- they are in seperate classes
#5- And, my friends at Nissan said that Renault was only a partner for their $$, now they are designing? Got 2 words for you- "LE CAR" (French for LE CRAP).
#6- What does Edmunds say? "Quests perform adequately, though more passing power would be appreciated." "the Quest's crash test scores are subpar." "If...(you) like a smaller-sized van, the Mazda MPV is a "safer" bet."
How about the ODY? "Excellent crash-test scores, tons of interior space, fold-flat third-row seat, second-row seats can be a bench or captain's chairs." "currently recognized as the minivan benchmark" "the Honda Odyssey might just be the ultimate family vehicle."
#7- What does Consumer Reports say? to be brief: Ody #1, Quest/Villager- last.
I'd rather push a Honda than own a Nissan...? I'd end up pushing the Nissan though.
Correction noted, arm and leg intact, tongue still in cheek.
Have about 150 miles on it now... seems fine so far, taking a day trip on Monday.
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My GG EX arrives shortly (production dates comfirmed to dealer). The dealer states that the 7/100,000/no-deductible Hondacare warranty costs them, now, $825. They sold it to me for $925 because I had printouts of this forum's messages "proving" I could get it for about that price. Thank you, all!!
They give the salesman $25 and the company keeps $75. That's about as low as you'll get.
So, watch out for variations in the coverage--the word(s) Honda Care is registered to Honda and can't legally be used by others.
As people become disenchanted with the Dodge Grand Caravan (tranny problems galore, plus the "new redesigned 2001's" don't have a Dodge version of the Honda Magic Seat), Honda fully expects to capture a high percentage of the replacement market. (I'm one of them--my 96 GC has a new tranny ($2400), new a/c evaporator ($1300), two new a/c condensers ($1000), and no warranty coverage on any of that. Ugh. My new GG EX arrives in about a week!)
So Honda believes that they'll be able to sell everything they can produce.
As for Saftey, the figures just released last week gives the quest 5 stars for crash test. I encourage everyone to go to the site and check it out. I agree that gas miles is less and it has less horsepower, but its also smaller van so much lighter. By the way, the engine is very adequate for the size. I believe it is much more reliable than Odyssey. I checked with my Neighbor who has a '99 with 50K and he swears that he has not spend a dime on repairs. Its much quieter than odyessey and has better quality of seats, stereo and matrials inside. Engine and transmisstion have already proven themselves based on the history. Honda's are new and I believe we are seeing problems pop up based on the postings at Edmunds. Also check Quest site and you will see much less problems. Again, I am not saying this van is for everyone, Honda would be #1 in my book if it would go at invoice and dealers would treat buyers with respect, but for MSRP,or above MSRP..buyers should be aware that there are other choices. With Nissan's you can negotiate from invoice down, I saved $2500 below invoice. Back in October, Honda wouldn't even show me the car till I put my deposit down....
It is a hassle to have to wait for an Ody and the lack of options to upgrade the relatively spartan interior and general lack of choices (limited exterior colors etc.) are minuses. But the magic seat is a major plus.
Any Va buyers getting the same info?
The dealers in Atlanta wanted $1000 above MSRP, had about a three month waiting list and were very arrogant. We faxed our offer to over 90 dealers in the SE. Alton Blakey in Sommerset, Kentucky accepted my offer of $1000 below MSRP, there were no dealer add ons and since I was out of state they did not charge any doc fees.
The folks at Alton Blakey were great customer service folks. No pressure, very knowledgable and had a customer first attitude. It was a five hour drive from Atlanta but it was a beautiful drive through the Tennessee and Kentucky mountains. We were in and out of the dealership in just over and hour. Most of this time, was the salesman going over all the features of the van.
I used E-Loan (www.eloan.com) financing at 6.56% interest for 60 months.
The sales manager said that he would give this same deal to anyone who wanted to buy an Odyssey.
There phone number is 1-800-264-3275, ask for Barry Flatt and tell them that Dennis and Laurie from Atlanta refered you.
This is a great vehicle but don't be ripped off by dealers charging above MSRP, MSRP, or adding on all the dealer add on charges.
instead of the next year. Third, I remember it will double the producion instead of triple. Thanks.
I can not tell you how much I appreciate Dave's honest dealings. I live in NW New Mexico. Quite a drive from Cleveland. 6 months back I worked out a deal with Dave. My local dealer in NW New Mexico matched the Cleveland deal ($ 700 off MSRP), but strung me along selling my car to others who would pay full MSRP. I was really disappointed in the treatment I received from the NM dealer. After 3 months of being treated like I didn't matter as a customer from my local dealer, I called Dave up. He was willing to keep the same original deal. We did all the paperwork via Federal Express and Dave delivered as promised. I put $ 500 down on November 2nd, and the vehicle was in on December 16th, one day ahead of Dave's estimate. Total purchase price (excluding NM taxes), driven off the lot was MSRP ($ 26,400 + $ 440 Dest Fee + $ 50 doc fee + $ 20.50 temp tag & filings minus $ 700)or $ 26,210.50
Dave said demand was up, and he could no longer do $ 700. He did say $ 600 off MSRP for anyone I referred in and that he could discount extras. I can not say enough good things about a man who can sell me a car 1500 miles away from home.
Things worked out for me on my long 3 week vacation. Good luck to the rest of you guys. By the way, I have put 1000 miles on the Odyssey and it runs great. No problems.
You've described what sounds to be a great experience. What shipper did you use to get the Odyssey back to New Mexico and what was the fee?
The Kentucky dealership did not have our EX on the lot but we only had to wait three weeks. We made the deal on December 27, it arrived on January 10 and picked up on January 13. Alton Blakley took a $500 credit card deposit over the phone.
E-Loan was a breeze. Filled out the application online and was approved in about 20 minutes. They send you all the paperwork along with a bank draft to be filled out at the dealership. Great rates now at 6.56% for 60 months. Dealership had no problem in accepting the E-Loan draft. Takes them about 15 minutes to fill out information and get a confirmation number.
There was not an attitude and no B.S. with Alton Blakley, the salesman Barry Flatt was extremely nice and very knowlegeable. I would highly recommend them. They said they would sell at $1000 below MSRP to anyone but they only get a few in a month. They said they have an LX coming in next week that is not sold yet.
Let me know if I can provide you with any additonal information.
Not APEX.....AMEX
Ordered from Dennis Jenkins at Jay Honda in Bedford, Ohio (JayHondaDJ@aol.com) on November 30, 2000. Put $500 deposit on my credit card.
Vehicle arrived at Jay Honda on December 15, 2000 (as Dennis had predicted). I wired the balance of the funds on December 18, 2000.
Dependable (Not) Auto Shippers picked the vehicle up on December 20, with an anticipated delivery date to California on January 4, 2001. Called Dependable Auto Shippers every few days for progress, they told me vehicle was in route, in Georgia, then Texas, then would be arriving on time in California. On January 4, 2001, no Oddy in my driveway. Called DAS and then they told me there must have been some mistake, because the van was not in route, but was in fact still in New Jersey at their depot!!
I called Dennis at Jay Honda and he went to bat for me. He got DAS to immediately ship the vehicle on Monday of last week, and it arrived on Friday of last week at 5:00 p.m. our time. She was a little dirty on the outside, but otherwise in perfect condtiion.
I got a chance to drive it around over the weekend. What a great van. Well worth the wait.
Dealing with Dennis was very pleasant. No b.s. No unkept promises. Got the van for under MSRP and got the Hondacare warranty for around half of what local dealers are charging for it. The savings off of msrp and the warranty paid for the shipping ($895) with a little left over. Other than DAS letting my car sit on their lot for 14 days, the entire transaction was trouble free and low stress. When I did have a problem with DAS, Dennis jumped in and took care of it-good after sales service even though its unlikely I'd be a repeat customer due to the distance from Ohio. Dennis even got DAS to pay for a rental car for me!!
I got the car I wanted, in the color I wanted, without any ridiculous "paint treatment", "fabric protection", "pin stripping", or other useless overpriced options. (My local so. cal. dealer in my city told me I should consider myself "lucky" that they would even sell me the NAVI at $31,750 they had on the lot because they had a waiting list of 60 people who would certainly buy it within the next three hours if I didn't jump on the "opportunity" to purchase!).
Over all, very pleased with the deal and the van. The internet is a great resource. If your local dealer can't/won't sell the van for a reasonable price, you can always go elsewhere and have it shipped to you. I have been contacted by one other person who also purchased an Oddy from Dennis. She reported he is straight shooter and delivered as promised.
Thanks to all for your posts and insights, which were very valuable and helped make me an informed consumer. I probably won't be lurking here any more.... Good luck to all.