Thank's auburn63, I'll have a good look at it tonight. It helps my attitude just to hear another idea, even if it is just a guess. I had run out of guesses.
My father in law's Chevy pickup could make a gallon of coolant disappear without a trace, in 100 miles of driving. It was dripping from a heater hose onto the back side of an exhaust manifold, where it boiled off before hitting the ground--would only leak when the system was pressurized (hot), so not a drop ever hit the ground. Drove us both crazy as he went through about 10 gallons of coolant before I happened to catch it in action...I had the hood up when he shut down the engine and could hear the sound of water dripping into a hot skillet, crawled up on top of the air cleaner and could finally see the little puffs of steam at the back of the engine, and straight above it the heater hose with a pinhole leak. Easy to fix, but hard to find.
The Odyssey has about a mile of heater hoses and pipes, and I have wondered if my leak was something similar, but most of them would show up either on the garage floor or inside the van...so this EGR crossover area makes some sense to me.
Yesterday, while siting on passenger seat of my co-worker's brand new 2001 Acura MDX, I heard the same reverse engagement clunk when he put the transmission into P from D at complete stop. Because of my personal interest to the design of the Honda automatic transaxle, I always pay close attention to this particular noise whenever there is a new Honda or Acura nearby. I've heard the same noise most of the time so far. Anyway, I just want to pass on the observations that the clunk is normal and is the characteristics of Honda, Acura's automatic transaxles.
Thanks for the heads up, at least we know that Honda/Acura doesn't think its going to be a problem. My '83 3 speed slush box does the same and hasn't failed us yet.
I have experienced the longstanding A/C knocking sound when the van is in gear. I've taken it to the dealer five times so far - always with the "no problem found" result. I've just recently noticed that there are two Honda Service Bulletins listed for this (actually one and an update). The numbers are 99041 (Honda) and SB610300 and SB615713 (NHTSA). they were released first in Oct 1999, and then in Nov 2000.
BUT...I can't find the contents of these service bulletins anywhere. It's impossible. Does anyone know where to get the full text of the service bulletins and not just the summary My dealer (obviously) doesn't seem to know anything about them, and alldata.com has stopped providing Honda TSBs under *request* from Honda.
Actually I have been around still, just either being beat to the answer by someone else and or nothing to add to some. Either way thanks for the welcome back and the invite. Just recently put in a pool for the kids and well I have to suffer through hanging out in it to play lifeguard.:) Which puts me on the computer later than the chats, but we will try..Thanks again and see ya soon
Thanks! I'm looking forward to hearing what they say. I don't know if it's a single TSB with an update, or two separate ones. I'm taking the van in for service (replacing yet another rear vent motor) in about a week and it would be nice to have some data on the AC for when it's there. Thanks again.
Mark, I have the same problem with my 2001 EX and this is what the dealer told me. The noise is a vibration of the cable that is connected to the column lever for changing gears. I went for a test drive with my service re and he had me grab the cable and pull slightly towards me (of course we were driving at 50mph) and the noise would go away. This cable is located approximately above the accelerater and is very stiff and thick. He said this is not causing any problems, but until Honda has a fix and recall they cannot do anything. Bruce
After reading many many messages about the steering wheel vibrations at 65+ mph, I have decided to post my adventures about it.
Bought 2001 LX in Sept. 2000, noticed slight steering vibration and a pull to the right a few hundred miles later. At less than 300 miles I took it to the local dealer. I live in Vancouver Washington but purchased the van in Seattle (about 200 miles away) since they had one in stock. The local dealer balanced and aligned the wheels. The pull to the right was fixed but the vibration was still present. My wife is the primary driver of the van and she rarely drives above 65 mph so we rarely experienced the vibration. Because of this we did not return it to the dealer like we should have. Last May we drove the van to Idaho (800 mile round trip) for the weekend. Most of the freeways are 70 mph. The vibration drove us nuts. By this time we had nearly 10,000 miles on the van. The dealer rebalanced the wheels, and as expected the problem was still present. I actualy gave the service tech. some printed copies of messages posted here about the problem and what other dealer did to fix it (new tires and mag wheels). The service tech was very interested in the things people reported about it. He did the rim-out test on each wheel, used a high-speed dynamic balancer, etc. All his tests showed things to be within factory specs. The dealer installed 4 new Firestone Affinity's, which did nothing for the problem. By this time the service manager was working with the regional service rep and Honda tech support. From this the dealers service manager said Honda just released a documented problem with some steel wheels on the Odyssey LX. Honda is calling it a "2 dimensional conical weld failure at high speed". I was very happy to hear Honda actually admit and document a vibration problem with the steel wheels. The dealer had a set of new Honda mags in stock and agreed to let me have them if it fixed the problem. They did, everything is now smooth and solid at well above 65 mph. For my trouble I got 4 new tires and a set of alloy wheels. I'm just happy to get this problem fixed. I was also very happy with the response and professionlism of this Honda dealer. Even though I did not purchase the van from them they gave me first class service. My faith in Honda standing behind their product has be restored. Like others have reported, this dealer had never seen the vibration problem before. They spent a lot of time researching and diagnosing before Honda of America released the defect info on the wheels. If anyone is still fighting this problem you or your dealer can probably call Dick Hannah Honda in Vancouver Washington and talk to John the service manager (360)256-5000. I told him I was going to update this discussion group with the information he found. Honda tech support should also have it.
The tape works. At least in my case it did and they stuck real bad before. Its just a heavy duty tape put over the offending seals, then they grease it. Coming close to 2 years since I had it done and not one problem has surfaced. The tape still adheres as good as day one also. Didn't work quite as well for some of the other posters though but for me it was the fix.
My 2000 ax has identical door digs that have developed from the inside out and now are starting to rust. Dealer says it I from pressure being applied from the outside, and refused to pay for repair. They identified the trouble on my work order should Honda ever care to pick-up the cost. Does anyone else know of this problem or how to get Honda to pay for the repair.
Where can I buy extended warranty for $795 any help would be appreciated
There is a TSB out on the prevention of from the inside out door dings in the power sliding doors. Go to the NHTSA site and look up the TSB's for your Honda Truck/Odyssey/2000. With that in hand, you should be able to get a repair at N/C from Honda.
my son has a 2001 ody with 6000 miles.while driving below 40 mph there is a low noise coming from the engine comp or in that area.when you go above 40 mph and you can notice the tach drop in rpm, the noise gets louder. the honda dealer does not give any satisfaction in resolving this problem. it was in the shop 2 times.is there anyone that has this same problem and/or the problem was fixed..cicchi
I am considering purchasing a 2001 odyssey but am concerned about the "con" listed in the edmunds review which says the odyssey has a "dearth of low end torque". I live in Colorado and would like to be able to drive into backcountry areas that often involve steep dirt roads, on the order of 10-12% grades. Has anyone out there ever driven their Odysseys under such conditions?
While it's no Jeep Wrangler, the Odyssey will climb a pretty steep hill.
As if you couldn't tell from my handle, I also live in Colorado. You and I both know that backcounty roads come in a wide variety. I have taken the Odyssey to the trailhead on the Buttonrock Dam Road, west of Lyons, and up the Fall River Road in Rocky Mountain National Park. These are both relatively well maintained roads, with some steep sections. I didn't have my surveying equipment along, so I don't know how steep. The Odyssey has good cooling even at trail speeds, and will spin a front wheel (and engage the TCS) any time you mash the throttle on dirt, so I guess the low end torque is adequate. When you get it pointed down one of those grades you will wish for a lower low gear, or an anchor to toss out to give the brakes a break. In short, if you take it easy, the Odyssey will go where any other minivan or sedan will go, but it will not go over Rollins Pass without some damage.
I'm not sure if my problem is the same as yours, but I have tranny noise at very low rpm. It does not matter what speed, it only depends upon the rpm. Below 2,000 and there is a noticable noise coming from the transmission. It is under very light acceleration... if you accelerate moderate to heavy or take your foot off the gas, the sound disappears.
I can't begin to describe the noise... almost like a "grating" noise. My Ody is a 2001 with 4,000 miles on it. Is this an "Ody trademark" like the gas swishing? The vehicle operates wonderfully and I'm very happy with it. Just wish the tranny noise wasn't there.
This sounds like the well-documented "shift-cable" noise. Usually worst right around 1500 rpm in overdrive with light pressure on the gas. I don't think this is universal like the gas tank noise. Our van has a slight case. So slight no one else has noticed, and only a few hear it even when I mention it specifically. For that reason, I haven't bothered to complain, since the dealer would no doubt be unable to reproduce it.
Anyway, there is a fix which involves adding weights to the cable to dampen the resonance(?). I have not yet seen a TSB number for this fix. Somewhere in the archives of this topic or the Honda Odyssey topic, you can find some good posts on it, including one gentlemen whose van was used as one of Honda's "guinea pigs" for their fix. Another documented a DIY fix for this problem. If you do search for them, please post the archive name and number for those of us too lazy to do it ourselves:-)
Thanks for your feedback on the low end. While I've never been on the specific roads you cited, I think you get my drift and it sounds like the Honda can handle what I have in mind. I would only be caught on something somewhat maintained but I was worried about getting bogged down on the steeps--sound like it;s not an issue.
Hope to see you and your Odyssey in the backcountry someday.
Have you been able to fond that TSB on the AC knocking yet. I'm taking the van in for service in 6 days and would love to have that information available.
Has anyone had their pads replaced under 25K miles. I was surprised that pad had to be replaced and not only that rotors needed to resurfaced for my 2000 Ody LX.
I have over 41K miles on the original brakes on my 99 EX. I had my tires rotated at my Honda Dealer at 37,500. They checked the brakes and said they were in good shape. I do let off the throttle when I see a red light ahead. I use the minimum braking I can. (I have used the ABS a few times when people pulled out in front of me). I also get pretty good ( average 21.5 MPG) fuel mileage. I believe the 2 are related.
Hi, folks. I've been away for awhile, but I think I need your help....
I have a '00 lx, purchased 10/99 w/ 13K miles which has performed flawlessly until about 3 weeks ago. I'm aware of the oft-discussed vibration at high speeds, torque converter problems (not ruled out), 'lugging', and 'thunk', but this doesn't seem to fit what I've heard before:
Mrs 3k experienced a 'jerking' in the car when accelerating from a dead stop 2x, which she percieved as a transmission problem. Every time I drove the car it was fine. She mentioned the problem when she took it to our local Honda dealer for an intermediate oil change. They performend some diagnostics (she couldn't tell me just what) and found nothing wrong.
Shortly thereafter, I experienced the problem(s) -a pronounced jerking (I wouldn't describe it as a 'thunk') when accelerating from a stop, and a strong vibration (almost a groan) from underneath the vehicle when accelerating out of a turn. Everything seems to occur right around 1500 rpm. The tach needle appears to bounce between 1k and 2k for a second.
I've had the jerking problem with my Integra, and the problem turned out to be a dirty fuel injector, which was always curable by a adding some fuel injector cleaner to the next tank full. I think the car was close to 100K before I experienced it the first time.
After two consecutive tankfulls of cleaner/premium in the Ody, the problem is still there intermittently. It never appears until the engine is well warmed up, and gets worse as the tank gets toward empty. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was a filthy fuel injector with sludge at the bottom of the tank, but the car isn't old enough to have such problems.
As I get ready to take it back to the dealer, I'd appreciate any insight the group might have.
Just saw a recent entry regarding leaking torque converters (as opposed to locking). Unless it's a typo, this is the first I've heard about them leaking. The source of my problems perhaps?
Just waxed my van this crisp sunny day in Northern NJ and I noticed a developing white mark on the big Honda H that is in the center of the stock EX alloy rims. It's smooth on the surface, so I think what's happening is possible adhesive separation on the back of the H Cap. Has anyone else seen this before? I didn't notice it at the last cleaning. I use Meguiar's Step 3 on the rims after cleaning them. It's really only on one of the wheels at this point.
Both sliding doors on my Odyssey LX have been sticking now for the past year and a half. No apparent reason and no consistency-it just happens. The doors will not budge. The service dept. has replaced the rubber gasket (around the opening) twice on both doors, replaced both door handles once, replace one handle because I broke it trying to open the door (twice), and I've now written Honda directly to have them offer a solution. The problem still persists. Otherwise, I will seek legal action because this is a safety hazard (if I cant get my kids out in the event of an emergency).
Anyone else have this problem? Oh, I've also reported this twice to NHSTA.
when you turn your key on, the clock back light should come on if you notice no differance and or have a hard time seeing it then you probably have a bad bulb..
otherwise, i must say our 41,000 miles with our odyssey have been a pleasant experience. overall what i expected from Honda. we plan on shooting for 250,000 miles.
Should be time to do this in about a month on my 99EX. Approximately, what should I budget for this job only? No other problems or maintenance will be needed.
I looked at the shop manual, and it looks like relatively major "surgery" to do the job; so I don't think that I'll attempt it myself.
I think we get in the range of $500.00- $600.00 or so. I can double check on monday if I can get my brain to remember.It's not all that bad but I am not too fond of the 6 cylynders yet, the 4's are sooooo easy..I will check it out...
Thanks. One more question. You said the TSB applies to all 99's. The NHTSA site says "THRU VIN 2HKRL1860XH535906" and my VIN is XH538xxx for the first TSB, and the second one doesn't list any applicability (which may mean it then cover all?). So hopefully I'm still okay? Thanks again.
I'm moving to Bakers field from West Virginia. I have a Honda Hitch on my Odd and I will have the transmission cooler installed. So, any thoughts and whether it will be OK to tow my Civic on a car trailer for the 2,500 miles? Marl
Thanks, but it really doesn't happen until it hits ~1500 rpm (whether accelerating or de-celerating). It's getting a little worse (more often, sooner), so it shouldn't be any trouble reproducing the problem when I take it back this time. I'm just afraid of any damage I might be doing in the interim.
I just talked to my service rep who said the Service Bulletin on the A/C knock says "this is a normal condition"... Nothing about replacing the idler pulley. Since I don't have access to the full TSB, I have no way of confirming anything. Help?! (the van goes in tomorrow).
I would go in and ask him to see the service bulletin. I know we have replaced a few and had the noise go away so maybe they would be willing to atleast replace it for you if your noise is not normal. I can't hear your noise so I don't know if you are hearing a normal noise or not, but I do know the ones I have heard that had bad pulleys were not normal..Good luck
We love the Odyssey. Beats the snot out of the 1992 Dodge Grand Caravan piece of American-designed junk.
Replaced the sliding doors seals to fix the sticking problem. No problems since.
Tranny does bump sometimes on the downshift. Got the idiot treatment from Gillman Honda in San Antonio on the tranny question.
Radio volume knob is too sensitive when adjusting the volume. Need additional settting on the AC fan. The low is too low and the next setting is too high.
The Honda design engineers rule. American auto design engineers need to learn from Honda or get out of the business.
According to my local service dept, the cause of my problems is a 'failing' transmission, which will be replaced as soon as it arrives (probably Monday). When I tried to press for details, he did say it was't the torque converter, but he'd have to "take 45 mintues to explain the printouts showing the various failures" (or thereabouts).
Anyone with tranny replacements have any advice on warranties (my three years is up in Oct '02)?
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My father in law's Chevy pickup could make a gallon of coolant disappear without a trace, in 100 miles of driving. It was dripping from a heater hose onto the back side of an exhaust manifold, where it boiled off before hitting the ground--would only leak when the system was pressurized (hot), so not a drop ever hit the ground. Drove us both crazy as he went through about 10 gallons of coolant before I happened to catch it in action...I had the hood up when he shut down the engine and could hear the sound of water dripping into a hot skillet, crawled up on top of the air cleaner and could finally see the little puffs of steam at the back of the engine, and straight above it the heater hose with a pinhole leak. Easy to fix, but hard to find.
The Odyssey has about a mile of heater hoses and pipes, and I have wondered if my leak was something similar, but most of them would show up either on the garage floor or inside the van...so this EGR crossover area makes some sense to me.
Yesterday, while siting on passenger seat of my co-worker's brand new 2001 Acura MDX, I heard the same reverse engagement clunk when he put the transmission into P from D at complete stop. Because of my personal interest to the design of the Honda automatic transaxle, I always pay close attention to this particular noise whenever there is a new Honda or Acura nearby. I've heard the same noise most of the time so far. Anyway, I just want to pass on the observations that the clunk is normal and is the characteristics of Honda, Acura's automatic transaxles.
Happy driving!
Thanks for the heads up, at least we know that Honda/Acura doesn't think its going to be a problem. My '83 3 speed slush box does the same and hasn't failed us yet.
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it to the dealer five times so far - always with the "no problem found" result. I've just
recently noticed that there are two Honda Service Bulletins listed for this (actually one
and an update). The numbers are 99041 (Honda) and SB610300 and SB615713
(NHTSA). they were released first in Oct 1999, and then in Nov 2000.
BUT...I can't find the contents of these service bulletins anywhere. It's impossible.
Does anyone know where to get the full text of the service bulletins and not just the
summary My dealer (obviously) doesn't seem to know anything about them, and alldata.com has stopped providing Honda TSBs under *request* from Honda.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Which puts me on the computer later than the chats, but we will try..Thanks again and see ya soon
-N
Bruce
Bought 2001 LX in Sept. 2000, noticed slight steering vibration and a pull to the right a few hundred miles later. At less than 300 miles I took it to the local dealer. I live in Vancouver Washington but purchased the van in Seattle (about 200 miles away) since they had one in stock.
The local dealer balanced and aligned the wheels. The pull to the right was fixed but the vibration was still present. My wife is the primary driver of the van and she rarely drives above 65 mph so we rarely experienced the vibration. Because of this we did not return it to the dealer like we should have.
Last May we drove the van to Idaho (800 mile round trip) for the weekend. Most of the freeways are 70 mph. The vibration drove us nuts.
By this time we had nearly 10,000 miles on the van. The dealer rebalanced the wheels, and as expected the problem was still present.
I actualy gave the service tech. some printed copies of messages posted here about the problem and what other dealer did to fix it (new tires and mag wheels). The service tech was very interested in the things people reported about it. He did the rim-out test on each wheel, used a high-speed dynamic balancer, etc. All his tests showed things to be within factory specs.
The dealer installed 4 new Firestone Affinity's, which did nothing for the problem.
By this time the service manager was working with the regional service rep and Honda tech support. From this the dealers service manager said Honda just released a documented problem with some steel wheels on the Odyssey LX. Honda is calling it a "2 dimensional conical weld failure at high speed". I was very happy to hear Honda actually admit and document a vibration problem with the steel wheels.
The dealer had a set of new Honda mags in stock and agreed to let me have them if it fixed the problem. They did, everything is now smooth and solid at well above 65 mph. For my trouble I got 4 new tires and a set of alloy wheels. I'm just happy to get this problem fixed.
I was also very happy with the response and professionlism of this Honda dealer. Even though I did not purchase the van from them they gave me first class service. My faith in Honda standing behind their product has be restored.
Like others have reported, this dealer had never seen the vibration problem before. They spent a lot of time researching and diagnosing before Honda of America released the defect info on the wheels.
If anyone is still fighting this problem you or your dealer can probably call Dick Hannah Honda in Vancouver Washington and talk to John the service manager (360)256-5000. I told him I was going to update this discussion group with the information he found. Honda tech support should also have it.
Hope this information helps.
they stuck real bad before. Its just a heavy duty tape put over the offending seals, then they grease it. Coming close to 2 years since I had it done and not one problem has surfaced. The tape still adheres as good as day one also. Didn't work quite as well for some of the other posters though but for me it was the fix.
Where can I buy extended warranty for $795 any help would be appreciated
As if you couldn't tell from my handle, I also live in Colorado. You and I both know that backcounty roads come in a wide variety. I have taken the Odyssey to the trailhead on the Buttonrock Dam Road, west of Lyons, and up the Fall River Road in Rocky Mountain National Park. These are both relatively well maintained roads, with some steep sections. I didn't have my surveying equipment along, so I don't know how steep. The Odyssey has good cooling even at trail speeds, and will spin a front wheel (and engage the TCS) any time you mash the throttle on dirt, so I guess the low end torque is adequate. When you get it pointed down one of those grades you will wish for a lower low gear, or an anchor to toss out to give the brakes a break. In short, if you take it easy, the Odyssey will go where any other minivan or sedan will go, but it will not go over Rollins Pass without some damage.
I can't begin to describe the noise... almost like a "grating" noise. My Ody is a 2001 with 4,000 miles on it. Is this an "Ody trademark" like the gas swishing? The vehicle operates wonderfully and I'm very happy with it. Just wish the tranny noise wasn't there.
Anyway, there is a fix which involves adding weights to the cable to dampen the resonance(?). I have not yet seen a TSB number for this fix. Somewhere in the archives of this topic or the Honda Odyssey topic, you can find some good posts on it, including one gentlemen whose van was used as one of Honda's "guinea pigs" for their fix. Another documented a DIY fix for this problem. If you do search for them, please post the archive name and number for those of us too lazy to do it ourselves:-)
Hope to see you and your Odyssey in the backcountry someday.
Thanks.
Are there any TSB or recalls for '01 Ody of any kind. I can't seem to find any anywhere. Thanks for your help!
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http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/index.html
I do let off the throttle when I see a red light ahead. I use the minimum braking I can. (I have used the ABS a few times when people pulled out in front of me). I also get pretty good ( average 21.5 MPG) fuel mileage. I believe the 2 are related.
Thanks!
I have a '00 lx, purchased 10/99 w/ 13K miles which has performed flawlessly until about 3 weeks ago. I'm aware of the oft-discussed vibration at high speeds, torque converter problems (not ruled out), 'lugging', and 'thunk', but this doesn't seem to fit what I've heard before:
Mrs 3k experienced a 'jerking' in the car when accelerating from a dead stop 2x, which she percieved as a transmission problem. Every time I drove the car it was fine. She mentioned the problem when she took it to our local Honda dealer for an intermediate oil change. They performend some diagnostics (she couldn't tell me just what) and found nothing wrong.
Shortly thereafter, I experienced the problem(s) -a pronounced jerking (I wouldn't describe it as a 'thunk') when accelerating from a stop, and a strong vibration (almost a groan) from underneath the vehicle when accelerating out of a turn. Everything seems to occur right around 1500 rpm. The tach needle appears to bounce between 1k and 2k for a second.
I've had the jerking problem with my Integra, and the problem turned out to be a dirty fuel injector, which was always curable by a adding some fuel injector cleaner to the next tank full. I think the car was close to 100K before I experienced it the first time.
After two consecutive tankfulls of cleaner/premium in the Ody, the problem is still there intermittently. It never appears until the engine is well warmed up, and gets worse as the tank gets toward empty. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was a filthy fuel injector with sludge at the bottom of the tank, but the car isn't old enough to have such problems.
As I get ready to take it back to the dealer, I'd appreciate any insight the group might have.
Thanks
Model = Odyssey
Year = 2001
I didn't count them, but there are 20-25 of them in my SEARCH Central search.
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Just saw a recent entry regarding leaking torque converters (as opposed to locking). Unless it's a typo, this is the first I've heard about them leaking. The source of my problems perhaps?
Anyone else have this problem? Oh, I've also reported this twice to NHSTA.
The service bulletin is number 99-041 and apply's to all 99 and some 2000's that vins (last eight)fall bettween yh500001-yh611940.
swircenske
There are a few that cover wide year spans such as 1999-2001. The most common that we see is for the sliding doors and the third row seat.
Should be time to do this in about a month on my 99EX. Approximately, what should I budget for this job only? No other problems or maintenance will be needed.
I looked at the shop manual, and it looks like relatively major "surgery" to do the job; so I don't think that I'll attempt it myself.
Marl
I just talked to my service rep who said the Service Bulletin on the A/C knock says "this is a normal condition"... Nothing about replacing the idler pulley. Since I don't have access to the full TSB, I have no way of confirming anything. Help?! (the van goes in tomorrow).
Replaced the sliding doors seals to fix the sticking problem. No problems since.
Tranny does bump sometimes on the downshift. Got the idiot treatment from Gillman Honda in San Antonio on the tranny question.
Radio volume knob is too sensitive when adjusting the volume. Need additional settting on the AC fan. The low is too low and the next setting is too high.
The Honda design engineers rule. American auto design engineers need to learn from Honda or get out of the business.
Anyone with tranny replacements have any advice on warranties (my three years is up in Oct '02)?
Thanks