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Your service writer is probably not willing to tell you that they're not going to do anything about it and hopes that you'll forget.
I'd suggest talking to the service manager or director and have them tell you personally what they've been told by GM. I'd bet he'll fess up and say you're going to have to live with it.
It's such a minor thing to GM that I don't think they'll do anything abou it. Makes me want to go to the GMC dealer and stand by the Envoys and point the problem to prospective buyers so they can decide for themselves BEFORE they buy if they're willing to live with it.
John
Anyone know? Thanks!
I wonder what the sales manager or whatever say if you told them that you know that there is a defect on the car and that you're considering nto buying the vehicle.
Obviously, those of us who have the cars already are stuck with this until something drastic happens with GM, but those who haven't bought yet, hmmm, I wonder if pressure on the sales side would make someone take responsibility for the problem. Just curious.
It has now been fixed and looks completly new (except for a leaking rear window which still needs to be fixed.)
I needed a new front door skin, a new read door and new rear quarter panel. Total cost was $4600. I felt sick as a dog when it happened.
The shop did a great job! Paint looks exactly the same as the original! And, everything seems tight and no noise!
PS I can't see any paint problem in the posted picture.
Not sure which picture you were looking at and did not see the problem. I posted a link to a Yahoo photo album that has 7 shots of the rear of my black Envoy. I took close up shots of the plastic moulding on the rear door showing light colored areas around the moulding where the paint has been scraped off.
The pictures aren't crystal clear but should give you an idea what the problem is. Photo #7 is probably the best shot, showing a close up view of the left (driver side) of the moulding and a long gray strip.
It should look like it was meant to be ther, will prevent chafing, and should prevent rust.
When you shut the lift gate, the surround moves and chafes the liftgate.
Bravada Mudguards:
Thanks for your inquiry to www.gmpartsdirect.com.
Here are your part numbers you requested.
1. The front molded black mud guards with the Bravada logo is part number 12497610.
2. The rear molded black mud guards with the Bravada logo is part number 12497611.
You can go to http://www.gmpartsdirect.com on our home page there are spaces provided to enter in your part numbers to check prices or place your order.
Wichita Greg
2002 Jewel Red Bravada 2WD
Kent
TB LTZ
General Motors Corporation
Attn: Gary Cowger, President of GM North America
P.O. Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170
Danvers Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac
Attn: President
90 Andover Street, Rte 114
Danvers, MA 01923
Dear Gary:
I am writing you because I feel the 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer has some “Life Threatening” mechanical design defects that need to be fixed before someone gets killed. I recently purchased a 2002 TrailBlazer LT vin#(Omitted for privacy) from Danvers Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac located at 90 Andover Street, Danvers, MA 01923. Within our first week of owning the vehicle while it was parked and running in my driveway the 4 Wheel Driver Selector Switch started to cycle through it’s various indicator lights on its own and the “Service 4 Wheel Drive” indicator light on the dash came on. While this occurred the engine started to idle roughly. I dismissed this as an anomaly and shut the vehicle off, restarted it, and the problem disappeared. I had my wife take the vehicle into the dealer mentioned above to have service investigate what happened and they returned the vehicle saying that they had found and fixed a faulty switch located on the transfer case and the problem would not happen again. About few weeks later my wife was driving the vehicle and it did the same thing except this time it was in rush hour traffic and the vehicle made a loud sound and stopped in running traffic, on it’s own without my wife even touching the brake! She had to turn the car off in the middle of the road at the risk of being slammed into by another vehicle, re-start it and everything seemed to work fine. The next day she brought the car into the Danvers Chevrolet service department to have them investigate the transmission, service light, and selector switch problem again while she got an oil change and they said that they could not do anything because they could not duplicate the problem and to bring it in while the problem was happening in real time! (Service slip copy enclosed). This is crazy! Now I was driving the vehicle yesterday and it happened again while I was on the freeway. The lights all came on, the vehicle made itself stop on the freeway (Like someone had applied the parking brake) and a loud rubbing/grinding sound could be heard coming from underneath the truck. I happened to have a camera with me and I took several pictures of the dash indicators (Enclosed). I will be bringing in the vehicle to Danvers Chevrolet tomorrow for the third time. I have bought several new cars during my lifetime and none of them have been an American brand vehicle. I also have never had any problems with my other purchases (Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Porsche etc.). I must say that I am losing faith in an American car product and am doubting if I will ever own one again.
I am going to send a copy of this letter to the State of Massachusetts and post a copy of this letter on the website www.edmunds.com and various other automotive Internet boards to warn others about the Chevrolet TrailBlazer before they purchase this product. I will also post both Danvers Chevrolet’s and your company’s remedy to my problem on the same websites so that other consumers can see how your institution backs it’s product. I am willing to give General Motors and Danvers Chevrolet an second chance because it could be that I have just purchase that one Lemon out of the whole lot. I want the truck taken out of service and I want a new, identical replacement vehicle. Only if I run into the same quality issues with the second vehicle will I request a 100% refund and buy another manufacturers brand Sport Utility Vehicle.
In summary, I believe that my car is a "lemon" under the Massachusetts Lemon Law (Massachusetts General Laws; c. 90 Sec. 7N1/2). I am hereby making a written demand for relief under the Lemon Law and the Massachusetts Consumer Protection Act (Massachusetts General Laws, c. 93A, Sec.9).
I purchased a Chevrolet, TrailBlazer LT, 2002 on 09/27/2001 from Danvers Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac in Danvers, Massachusetts. The vehicle identification number or VIN number is (1GNDT13S122176212). Since I bought the vehicle, I have had to return it to the dealership a total of 3 times. My vehicle has been out of service for repairs for a total of 1.5 business days. My vehicle has been in Danvers Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac for repairs on the following dates for repair of the following defects:
October 2001 – Transmission light problem, grinding etc.
December 2001 – Transmission light problem, grinding etc.
January 2001 – Transmission light problem, grinding etc.
I am having the following problems with my vehicle at this time:
*4 Wheel Driver Selector Switch cycles through lights on its own
*Service 4 Wheel Driver indicator on dash comes on
*Vehicle transmission emits grinding/rubbing noise
*Vehicle stops to grinding halt on its own at random
These remaining defects substantially impair the use, market value or safety of my vehicle. I am entitled to a replacement vehicle acceptable to me or a refund calculated in accordance with the Lemon Law. Failure to comply with the Lemon Law is a violation of Massachusetts General Laws, c. 93A, and you may be subject to double or treble damages as well as attorney’s fees and court costs if this matter is taken to court. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Sincerely,
Concerned consumer
That is totally an unsafe situation. Stopping dead in traffic - thank god you didn't get re-ended and you safely made it to the side.
I have to believe that you got a lemon and this is not a characteristic of all the Trailblazer (hope so, for all our sakes!)
Yours is the first post of this type of problem that has been posted to this board.
Good luck and please keep us up to date.
Mark
And, with the DVD entertainment system, can you listen to the DVD's through the bose stereo system, or does it only play though the head phones?
I happened to notice a Lincoln Navigator parked across the street. It has a similar (Chrome) license surround so I went over and looked at it. Sure enough it has a little rubber gasket between the surround and the deck lid. I'm not going to do anything yet, but if it gets bad, I'll do the fender welting thing.
jim f
A dealer has the Envoy color I want in stock, except it has running boards already on it. Does the dealer put these on after arrival, or do they come installed from the factory? And how does their quality compare to aftermarket boards? Are they effective in providing paint protection from rocks? I would actually prefer stepbars, but I bet the running board affords more protection.
Second question:
I saw one website (stylinconcepts.com) had large mudflaps (they actually called them "body guards") that were 16x10" and had no logo, but they also offered some styles they called "mud flaps" with logos that may not be quite as large. How easy is it for me, a neophyte, to attach my own mudflaps or mudguards? How exactly do these attach and which size is recommended?
Thanks.
Good luck with your new ride
jim f
Whichever one I get, it will more than likely be a fully loaded 2WD with the sunroof (not the DVD). The dealer I will buy from is both an Olds and GMC dealer and I am sure I can get the same deal on either one, so price is not an issue. What is swaying me right now is the 5/60 warranty on the Bravada. As I plan on keeping the vehicle at least 5 years, that extra warranty means a lot...especially as I have lots of experience when it comes to GM reliability. So right now I think I am leaning towards the Bravada. I really want a 4WD/AWD but I am stretching the budget as it is, and I just don't think I can swing the extra 2 grand, especially when I live in FL and it is really not a necessity.
What is really stopping me from ordering one of these beauties is the paint problem around the license plate frame. I had never even noticed this before the forum (like one poster said, it kind of looks like dust or wax in the groove), but after reading about it, I went to two dealerships and sure enough every single Envoy and Bravada had paint chipping. To me this is just unacceptable on a 35k+ vehicle. It is barely noticeable on the light colors, but of course I want Indigo, so I will be able to see it. This is one of those things that will eat at me every time I walk by the car and there is no excuse for it. GM should have either designed the mounting differently or engineered a simple gasket to prevent this. I don't understand how this got past design and testing, but what bothers me even more is that GM apparently doesn't even want to do anything about it. I have decided that I will not place an order for one of these vehicles until some fix or bulletin is released. It is a shame that the purchase of a vehicle comes down to such a little issue, but this (to me) is just plain unacceptable!
- Wade
P.S...I thought it was interesting that I have been to 2 different Olds dealers and neither could believe I was looking at the Bravada instead of the Envoy. I am 21 and they figured someone my age wouldn't want to drive an Olds (their comment, not mine).
Welcome to the Town Hall! My hat's off to you for sitting through 3,300 posts - I am impressed!
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You're right...I thought the prices were closer than they are. For an Envoy and Bravada equipped the same, the Bravada MSRP is $34,620 and invoice is $31,290. The Envoy MSRP is $35,895 and invoice is $32,391. The only difference is that the Envoy definitely includes traction control at that price, and I am not sure what the status is on the Bravada. I thought it was supposed to be standard on the 2WD, but the one I test drove was a 2WD and did not have a traction control button like the 2WD Envoy I drove. Anyone know the story with the Olds and traction control???
I guess when you look at the $1,100-1,200 difference and the Bravada's better warranty, the decision is pretty much made. I just keep going back to the Envoy interior. Funny thing is, the first one of the triplets I sat in was the Envoy, and I wasn't impressed at first (it was a light pewter interior). Then I saw an Indigo Bravada with the camel interior and loved it--I didn't even think about the Envoy interior again. But, the other day I drove another Envoy that had the light oak interior and I liked it...I just need to forget I ever saw the Envoy
-Wade
After a short hiatus from this board, I returned to find well over 100+ post within a week and I can honestly say that I have sat here and read each and every one of them. I definitely applaud the effort that everyone puts into this board in order to help each other! Even though this isn't a truly "threaded" message board, it is still very helpful .
Well.. for starters, I am glad that someone posted a link to pics of this paint problem that we all have been hearing about. I've had my Envoy for almost 2 months and couldn't figure out what this paint thing was all about.. now I know and I find it somewhat appalling that GM will not do anything to address this problem?? It seems like we should take the time to type up a petition and use this board to "sign" the petition?? Or at least create a new Topic that would include the petition letter to GM and everyone can "sign" their responses to this memo so that we are not cluttering up this board? What do you all think about this?
Second, no serious problems to report with my Magnetic Red Metallic beauty (6,000 miles already!!) with the exception of ONE thing. I don't know if this is a wide-spread problem (or just me!) but I have noticed that in the mornings, when I start the Envoy... back out of the garage and put the vehicle in Drive, when first depressing the accelerator, the vehicle takes off somewhat slowly.. then the RPM's "kind of" rev up more and then pulls stronger? I've actually PUNCHED it a couple of times to see if this slight hesitation would cease? It reminds me of an older car with a lot of miles and you have to get it "good and warm" before you can get decent acceleration out of it? My father noticed this as well when he drives it when the engine is cold. Have you all experienced this problem?
Second, I have read a couple posting here concerning ON STAR failing on the triplets? Well, let me mention that I JUST got my On Star problem resolved last week and I activated it the next day after I bought the vehicle! My On Star system would sometimes fail to connect to the center, erroring with a message from Verizon Wireless "There is trouble with your On Star system, please hold while we route you to our customer service center" to which they were of NO HELP.. When I could reach On Star, they would not receive my data.. they would not have a clue as to whom they were speaking with? They couldn't remotely access the vehicle or pin-point my location! After much deliberation with ON Star (and numerous $$$ credits to my account) and a couple of overnight visits to several dealerships to correct the problem, the last servicing dealer replaced the VCU (or VCM) unit on my Envoy and this remedied the problem! When I dropped off my vehicle to the last servicing dealer, I told them that "I do not want this vehicle back until the problem with ON Star had been resolved." Well.. they had given me a rental car, but kept the vehicle for 5 days! Now that they have replaced this unit, the On Star system seems to function nicely, however the personal calling system is still not active, but they informed me to wait 24 to 48 hours so I will check again tomorrow.
Lastly, I feel sooo guilty about racking the miles up on my $38,420 Envoy that I have decided to get another car to use for "beating up." I finally said good-bye to my 2000 Ford Explorer Limited.. someone purchased it this past weakened!! I haven't decided yet, but I think that I am going to purchase a 2002 Pontiac Grand Am GT1 to complement the Envoy.. Maybe this way, I can use the Envoy when I want and use the Grand Am to rack up the miles! Anyone know of any decent Grand Am message boards? I cannot seem to find one on Edmunds! Go figure!! Ha, ha!
Thanks Gang!
Dennis D.
IExplore2000@aol.com
PS: Can someone re post the hypertext needed to create the pic link on this message board? I would like to post a couple pics as well!
Sunday, went out to lunch, no problem.
Went out for an errand at about 6PM, outside temp about 50, and after a moment of driving, perhaps a half mile, the radiator cooling fan kicked on. Sure makes a lot of fan noise. Sounds like an 18 wheeler.
Drove my errand, even took it on the hiway, fan still running. Checked oil (bout a half quart low, added 5W30 but it was there when I picked it up new). Checked tranny fluid, nice and red, no weird smell, but not very hot either.
This morning, temp is about 30, and when I started it, sure enough, fan is on. No way it should be on when it is this cool.
I guess the thermostat in the fan clutch is kaput (at least I hope it's that easy).
I will take it in and update you when I find out more.
P.S. When I test drove a Chuvy Trailblazer it made this noise on a cold 20 degree morning. Turned me off immediately on continuing to look at that TB. Later test drive, different dealer, different TB, did not have the fan noise. Might be some vehicles have a bad fan clutch.
After months of test drives and brochures I have decided on a 2002 TB LS with the 1 SC package, white letter tires, and CD/CASSETTE radio. I should be taking delivery today or tomorrow and I can't wait. I have one question though, is teh paint issue color specific? Does it happen to the Summit White color as well?
Steve
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Technical Service Bulletins
Make: GMC Model: ENVOY Year: 2002
Service Bulletin Number: 01034 Bulletin Sequence Number: 197 Date of Bulletin: 05/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB619729
Component: SUSPENSION:INDEPENDENT FRONT CONTROL ARM:UNKNOWN TYPE
Summary:
CAMPAIGN INFORMATION TO REPLACE THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT FRONT LOWER CONTROL ARM BRACKETS. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 010399001 Bulletin Sequence Number: 623 Date of Bulletin: 08/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB623875
Component: SUSPENSION
Summary:
SOME CUSTOMERS MAY COMMENT THAT THE RAR END OF THE VEHICLE APPEARS TO SAG AFTER THE VEHICLE SITS OVERNIGHT OR LONGER. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 010730018 Bulletin Sequence Number: 196 Date of Bulletin: 04/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB619710
Component: POWER TRAIN:TRANSMISSION:AUTOMATIC:CONTROL MODULE (TCM, PCM)
Summary:
SUBJECT REGARDING TECH 2 INFORMATION ON 4L60-E SHIFT ADAPTS. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 030701 Bulletin Sequence Number: 623 Date of Bulletin: 07/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB623659
Component: POWER TRAIN TRANSFER CASE (4-WHEEL DRIVE)
Summary:
CUSTOMERS MAY COMPLAIN OF 4-WHEEL DRIVE LIGHT ILLUMINATING.*JB
Service Bulletin Number: 070601 Bulletin Sequence Number: 623 Date of Bulletin: 06/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB623827
Component: MANUFACTURERS INFORMATION TO DEALERS
Summary:
INFORMATION REGARDING ROOF MOUNTED LUGGAGE CARRIER BOW POSITIONING. *SLC
Service Bulletin Number: 080401 Bulletin Sequence Number: 193 Date of Bulletin: 04/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB619407
Component: INTERIOR SYSTEMS:SEAT AND SHOULDER BELTS AND BELT ANCHOR:OTHER PARTS
Summary:
INFORMATION ON USING THE SEAT AND SHOULD BELT EXTENDERS. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 080801 Bulletin Sequence Number: 625 Date of Bulletin: 08/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB625369
Component: ENGINE
Summary:
INFORMATION REGARDING CALIBRATIONS AVAILABLE TO CORRECT DELAYS IN TRANSMISSION DOWNSHIFTING AND COMPLAINTS OF FAN NOISE. *JG
Service Bulletin Number: 10501 Bulletin Sequence Number: 197 Date of Bulletin: 05/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB619777
Component: POWER TRAIN:TRANSMISSION:AUTOMATIC
Summary:
THIS MESSAGE APPLIES TO A POSSIBLE DELAYED ENGAGEMENT OF THE TRANSMISSION THAT MAY OCCUR AFTER THE VEHICLE SITS FOR TWO TO THREE WEEKS. *T
Service Bulletin Number: 120401 Bulletin Sequence Number: 193 Date of Bulletin: 04/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB619412
Component: POWER TRAIN:AXLE ASSEMBLY
Summary:
SUBJECT REGARDING EXCHANGE PROGRAM, BULLETIN NUMBER 010420003 IMPLEMENTED FOR THE 2002 EIGHT INCH RING GEAR AXLE. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 130701 Bulletin Sequence Number: 623 Date of Bulletin: 07/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB623808
Component: BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:ANTI-SKID SYSTEM:LIGHT LAMP
Summary:
CUSTOMERS MAY COMPLAIN OF AN ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM (ABS) OR BRAKE INDICATOR LIGHT ILLUMINATING OR A SERVICE BRAKE SYSTEM MESSAGE FROM THE DRIVER INFORMATION CENTER WITH A CODE OF C0238 IN THE ELECTRONIC BRAKE CONTROL MODULE. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 200901 Bulletin Sequence Number: 626 Date of Bulletin: 09/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB626275
Component: INTERIOR SYSTEMS:DRIVER INFORMATION CENTER (DIC) MODULE
Summary:
CONCERNS WITH UNDERSTANDING THE DRIVER INFORMATION PERSONALIZATION LANGUAGE OPTIONS. *SLC
Service Bulletin Number: 210900 Bulletin Sequence Number: 190 Date of Bulletin: 09/00
NHTSA Item Number: SB619053
Component: MANUFACTURERS INFORMATION TO DEALERS
Summary:
INFORMATION ON THE ALL NEW 2002 GMC ENVOY. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: 300801 Bulletin Sequence Number: 625 Date of Bulletin: 08/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB625359
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT
Summary:
INFORMATION REGARDING UNRESOLVED DTC P0014, FALSE DTC P0116 AND P1683. *YH
Service Bulletin Number: 300801 Bulletin Sequence Number: 625 Date of Bulletin: 08/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB625364
Component: POWER TRAIN:TRANSMISSION:UNKNOWN TYPE
Summary:
INFORMATION REGARDING DELAYS IN TRANSMISSION DOWNSHIFTING. *YH
Service Bulletin Number: 300801 Bulletin Sequence Number: 625 Date of Bulletin: 08/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB625366
Component: ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM:FAN
Summary:
INFORMATION REGARDING FAN NOISE. *YH
Service Bulletin Number: 33 Bulletin Sequence Number: 192 Date of Bulletin: 03/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB619223
Component: STRUCTURE:BODY ROOF
Summary:
INFORMATION ON HEADLINER REPLACEMENT, HEADLINER HARNESS ROUTING, AND REPLACING OR SERVICING THE SUNROOF ON VARIOUS MODELS INCLUDING THE 2002 CHEVROLET TRAILBLAZER. *TT
Service Bulletin Number: DCS760 Bulletin Sequence Number: 623 Date of Bulletin: 06/01
NHTSA Item Number: SB623467
Component: MANUFACTURERS INFORMATION TO DEALERS
Summary:
INFORMATION REGARDING LL8 ENGINE LABOR OPERATIONS. *SLC
It's probably a matter of changing a chip somewhere or setting something in
the computer.
I calculate a 3.5% speedometer error with just the inch increase on the rim alone.
so if you're speedometer reads 60, you'll actually be going 62.
It's not a whole lot, but I don't like having speedometer error on the slow side.
I don't what kind of tires you have on the 16's, but you'd really need to compare
them side by side or even compare the circumferences of them. The difference
could be more or less depending upon sidewall height of the tires. The 17's
come with 245-65 's.
speedometer error% = (new tire circumference - original tire circumference) / original tire circumference X 100
About 3 weeks ago, I installed a KN filter. I have driven about the same way as before, and my gas mileage is worse than before, by about 1-2 MPG (down to 15.5 or 16 now). Has anyone seen this? Does it take some time for the computer to "adjust" to the increased airflow? I had a Durango prior to this with a KN and got an immediate 0.5 boost in my gas mileage.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Brendan
http://money.cnn.com/2002/01/06/news/wires/autoshow_caroftheyear_ap/
http://www.dakota-truck.net/TIRECALC/tirecalc.html
minn_tb
You will need to reprogram the computer that converts wheel rpm to distance traveled.
Hypertech makes a power programmer, but not for the triplets (yet) that will allow reprogramming things like spark advance, tire size, shift points and many other things.
In a ford, it's a chip. Buy a new chip from Superchips.com. GM lets you do it yourself with the right tools.
There are no gears to change for spedo error, either caculate a similar total tire diameter, or reprogram the computer for the new tire size. I'll bet you can match the total diameter of your 16 in wheel tire combo on the 17 inch wheel by going to a 60 series tire. My Bravada has 245/65 17's.
Will take my Bravada in for the always on radiator fan Thursday. Service writer said there was a service bullitin for a reprogram to fix. Fingers crossed.
Greg
gains in gas mileage you could possibly expect with a K & N filter
are negligible in comparison to the normal variations in gas mileage.
Also, the filter you replaced in your Trailblazer was probably pretty clean
and a clean paper filter really isn't that restrictive.
I really don't think these engines are struggling on the intake side anyway.
I'd bet the superquiet exhaust system is more of a bottleneck.
Thanks to bryancos for the part number for the running boards. Gonna order them, once I get the parts numbers for the mudguards. Emailed gmpartsdirect and waiting for them to reply with the numbers. I have a question about keyless entry. I have a TB LS with the second package, which didn't come with keyless entry. Can I simply order a key fob and program it, or must I install something or do something else. Also, Had a question about the lift gate. Is there a way to lock it with the key? I can open it with key, but can't seem to lock it. Seems that the only way to lock it is with the power lock button on driver's control panel. Any tips? Thanks in advance...
Prospective TB buyer here - any rumours on financing in US/Canada later this year? Right now not so good, but I hear it may get better in a month or 2. I'd like to know for Canada, but we usually get the same deals as US.
Great posts! Learning a lot.
anyting i can do. i got hosed on the deal obviously. i was sooo confident in my internet printouts i didn't even want to look at sticker. what a dummmmmmy.
what can i do? i love the ride but would like a better deal if you know what i mean. i would like to start over form scratch but thats not probably gonna happen.
everyone help me here fast!!!
grrrrrrrrrrr i can't believe it.
basically i called and when i got there they were like there they are. again i didn't even want to look at the sticker. i drove and sat down and bought. i was sooo happy now what????
Two questions: 1. Is there a TSB on this that I can point out to my GMC service department? I'm in NJ and they are not very bright in the service departments here (last time I had my car in for a warranty item they didn't do the warranty stuff but instead changed my oil). 2. Has anyone had any luck in getting this fixed or am I just going to get the same defective parts replaced? Please let me know your dealer name and location if you've had luck fixing this problem.
Love my Envoy. 9500 miles and aside from this, trouble-free.