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Just make sure they have a good enough selection that is close to what you want (color/options/body style/tranny choice).
If you go there gimme a call, I'll split the $50 referral fee with you - we can get lunch when you pick it up. :-)
You really do pay the internet price, by the way. We bought our Legacy there last May. $17,827 on the web, same price at the dealership. No hidden processing fees, ad fees, blah, blah. What a relief.
-juice
Also, someone on the Mazda6 board just drove 5.5hrs to get their car, and the dealer even paid for the flight and picked them up at the airport!
-juice
I can't find that exact match anywhere, but edmunds says that's $2500 off MSRP, $400 under invoice, and spot-on TMV.
I'm hearing all these people talking about getting them for $1000+ under that price. Are you haggling nonstop, or picking a vehicle from the lot and simply naming a price?
DjB
item/invoice/msrp
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car/22158/24195
freight/525/525
pkg/253/413 (mirror/compass)
pkg/263/350 (audio)
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total/23199/25483
So, $23K is only $200 under invoice, not the best deal out there. I would shoot for $22500 or lower.
I have worked with Fitzgerald in the past, via e-mail, and it was a good experience. I would definitely buy a car from them; it would be about a 3 hr drive for me. Luckily, my local dealer has been able to match their prices or come close enough to make a deal.
I did the math, and I got my WRX for $569 under invoice in mid January. It was part of the $3K off MSRP deal. No haggling at all. For options, I got the short throw shifter, winter mats, armrest extension, turbo gauge, and spoiler. MSRP was $25957, sale price was $22957.
I think most large dealers are offering similar deals (or better) now. If they are not, you should be able to print out the Fitzgerald price and ask them to match it. Also, here's a PDF of the deal I got:
http://members.cox.net/craig.hunter/Pence_3Kdeal.pdf
They don't show this on their website any more, but I am sure the deal is still available. You could also use this as leverage at a local dealer.
Since $4K off seems to be the latest promotion, look for ads like that!
Craig
This afternoon he called to say "I didn't know this when we talked, but Subaru isn't taking more orders on the '03s. I'll have to start with one of the no-options vehicles we have already and have our people add the items you want. It'll wind up costing you just $250 more."
Now, first off, isn't the "last call for factory orders" date pretty widely known?
Secondly, fitzmall.com has a silver WRX w/ spoiler and mirror/security upgrade for 22258.
I talked with the local dealer and he said the closest he could come on the vehicle with just mirror/security (no spoiler) is 22500.
If I put down a deposit on a particular vehicle config'd in a particular way at a particular price, and then the dealer tries to mess all around, am I free to simply take back my deposit and go to another dealer?
DjB
Yes, you can just ask for your deposit back. They might give you the runaround, but you can get it.
You can call 1800Subaru3 and ask them to do a search on the specific car you want.
-Dennis
No options for live/assisted searching.
DjB
There's an increase in the dealer cash that lets us go $1000 under invoice if you hit the holdback for something. I don't think any dealer would do a locate and sell at that price.
DjB
Good luck,
Ed
DjB
I'd ask for the deposit back since they broke the contract and didn't provide you with the car they promised.
You can count on good prices, but poor selection, that's just how it goes at the end of the model year. Be flexible and pay less, or get a 2004 for full price.
-juice
-mike
Management wants to concentrate on Volvo, Panoz, and high-end exotics.
-juice
Good Luck, maybe you can get them to replace that $250 with several free oil changes?
edit:
Just checked apparently the dealership didn't make SOA required updates (to the showroom or billboards?) and so they pulled their franchise rights as of 3/31/03
-mike
The dealer went over the numbers with him and there was no extra $250 for them to build the car as I originally wanted it. So the dealer dialed my phone and we talked on a conference line for a few minutes to make sure everybody was on the same page.
So now it looks like the vehicle will be available this weekend.
Man, I owe my brother in law. Also the dealer, because either I totally misunderstood him in the first place or he agreed to the price match.
DjB
Franchise rights were not pulled, the owner decided to bow out. SNE controls the region, not SOA.
Also, I was on a trip recently in Thailand, and I did not see any Subarus there. Saw a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, and Mitsubishis, but no Subarus...also saw a few (used) BMWs and Mercedes. So for those who say "(certain) vehicles are driven in Asia" they'd better think again...
--sonya4
Ed
Later...AH
DjB
AWD allows (when traction is limited) to put car in 4 wheel slide . It means that all 4 wheels have forward and lateral motion.
It allows to take corners faster than in RWD or FWD car.
If you do not know what it is you wil not willingfuly put your car in such position. It might happen accidentaly if you take the corner fast enough.
DO NOT lift gas pedal it might cause the rear wheels to loose traction.
Krzys
PS All is hear say and no experience, yet.
-mike
-B
-juice
Like juice said, find an empty parking lot and practice it. Your right foot can actually control the AWD. :-)
-Dennis
-mike
I've done a couple of ice races on frozen lakes, the parking brake comes in handy with FWD. Soobies now have their parking brake on the rear wheels correct? Can you still use it to help rotate at lower speeds, or does the AWD take care of it all?
-B
When they arrive 02 and 03 will be even harder to sell.
Krzys
Craig
My impression: The rally car heritage is obvious. The turbo is ferocious, but disappointingly lags in the lower RPM ranges. The steering, handling, and braking were very impressive; very reminiscent of a BMW 330's, but with better traction (and hence less oversteer when exiting corners). The STi shifter was uncomfortable and felt rather vague; I definitely recommend staying with the standard stick. The interior is disappointing as well. Granted, I'm somewhat pampered by my current car (a BMW 530i), but even my sister's '96 Accord's interior offers better quality materials, fit and finish, and design. As purists will probably argue, however, this car is not about interior appointments.
Overall, a very fun to drive car, especially for the money.
I'll confess my ignorance now, but can anyone provide a link for information about the '04 MY changes?
-mike
Just curious, since I used to study ergonomics and industrial design, what elements of the WRX interior didn't you like? What would you change?
Craig
The door handles/locks need some help as well, higher grade plastic and a better feel while operating would help, same goes for the power locks/windows/mirror switches.
-B
-Dennis
Buying a car like the WRX for the interior bits (as opposed to the mechancals) is missing the point by a country mile.
Everyone is imitating Audi, but if you're gonna do it poorly, don't even bother. Audi uses real brushed aluminum, not painted plastic. Scrath is and the marks will stay, it'll look terrible.
I actually prefer plood. Or bring back the unpainted black stuff to save costs, then use the money somewhere else.
The seats are great, though the materials used on the Forester are nicer IMO. That dimpled black material is soft and textured and doesn't glare. In fact it's close to what Acura uses for the RSX-S.
-juice