By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our
Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our
Visitor Agreement.
Comments
The updated (metal) parts SHOULD be available now. If your dealer's got plastic, it's not the final fix.
Artie
Charter Member, LLSOC
3 days and counting.
What are these pads like in the dust department? If they are any better I would like to know who sells them and how much do they cost. Thanks.
It's working......... :^(
http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0202/11/a01-412668.htm
1) "Do you expect Lincoln to walk away from their top selling line?" No, I just don't think it needs to look like the Marquis. The '03 lost much of its unique look from the '98 redo IMHO. (Ford capitulated to the masses on the Taurus in the same way - and it still never regained its sales leadership, right?) The TC had some cachet that I believe has been lost with the '03 freshening.
2)"Do you think you can take a family of 4 with luggage to the airport, in luxury, in anything else?" Yes, it's called an LS. Lose weight and travel lighter.
3) "As far as the Continental, why even talk about it? It's gone after the 02 MY." But it's coming back and probably needs to be a home run. That's why it needs to be talked about. Doesn't have to be a separate platform; on the other hand, think of the "parts bin" groans heard when the T-Bird used the LS dash.
4) "As far as dropping the TC in favor of a "GM Towncar", they appeal to 2 different demographics..." never said that - only said the Conti was no more impressive than a LeSabre (as far as platform)
Not to dredge up old stuff - I just want Lincoln to have a "competitive image". Hope sprang eternal in me when the LS was introduced; I just worry that Lincoln as a marque remains troubled and needs more PAG attention than what Reitzle can or is willing to give it.
Rear Window Regulators: My rear window (RH, as it turned out) exhibited the same failure mode as a recent poster (didn't write down the handle) who heard "odd" noises but was still able to close the window. That's exactly what happened to me, and the window stayed up with no problem (for months) until I was on a business trip and my wife tried to use it. That's when it fell down to stay, after which I learned which brands of tape worked best. Incidentally, nail polish remover takes off duct tape residue and gasoline works pretty well on clear tape (or is it the other way around?). Either way, I didn't trust the dealer to remove my tape residue and was able to do it myself in a half hour, more-or-less. I've got my new regulator now (probably the intermediate version), and once again, we'll see. What I will be trying for is the latest version on both sides before the car gets to 50K. The fact that the dealer didn't replace both regulators when I took the car in (per the Service Bulletin) may give me the ammunition I need to get them both done right later.
Stay tuned.
Thanks for clarifying your position on leasers. However, there are options. There are custom-tailored leases. You can purchase additional mileage up front. It might still pay if you can deduct your car as business expense.
Are you coming to Irvine again?
Artie
I have few complaints at 19 months and 23k. Both window mechanisms failed early in the game. No hint of failure on the "intermediate" replacements. I use the rears daily. I can rip a door panel off in moments and put a cotter pin in faster than I can call my dealer. Duct tape is too ugly for me.
I only have two nagging problems for which I may not bother my dealer about. Recently, the airbag light started staying on. A trip to the dealer resulted in a new wiring harness but no fix. I keep telling them that I have overstressed the "G-Sensors" but they fail to believe me. The dealer is not too competent at dignosing the problem, and he's the biggest dealer in Calif.
The second problem has been there since birth. The radio unit has a loud alternator whine just in cassette mode. It would be nice if he called the local Visteon fixer here in town and did an R&R while in the dealer for servce for something else, but they lack the imagination. Besides, I think this whine has something to do with the battery in the trunk. I think a new unit would probably do the same.
Brakes are still good at 23k. I think manuals are easier on brakes and autos are inherently brake killers. My Manual Cressida got 80,000 or so on the original pads. My wife's 965 Volvo gets 20k on a set max.
Tomorrow is Mania prep day. Mobil One change and new fluid in the Getrag. This time the 100% Redline MTL is going to be replaced by MTL/Syn Auto D 50-50 for faster shifts. The new 2002 air box that's been sitting on my workbench for a month will also be put in (yes, guys, where are my priorities?).
Actually, I was almost going to be a no show at 3. On the 4th, I came down with pnemonia. At the same time, I had conjunctivitis in both eyes, my bowels dumped everything and it's seemed like I was falling apart. I started two antibiotics last Wednesday and I'm gaining strength fast. I don't know if the Coneinator will be 100% but I'm killing my 80 hour weeks in real estate to get some rest. I need some fun! I'll be ok as long as I don't have to drive an automatic with traction control. I must be feeling good because I had a little race down a long on ramp with a MR2 Spyder and I was on his [non-permissible content removed] the whole way. His 7.3 0-60 was way off or mine sure wasn't 7.9 per C&D. Even with the old air box. See you guys Thursday.
Lincoln LS "Sport Edition"
What's special about it?
With 350 horsepower and 350 pound-feet of torque emanating from its supercharged V8, this is one serious LS. A revised engine computer and a performance intake system help the blown V8 achieve its lofty horsepower numbers without an increase to its 3.9-liter displacement.
The car sits slightly lower than stock and features Bilstein shocks and upgraded antiroll bars for better control. Aluminum alloy 19-inch wheels wrapped in Z-rated high-performance tires further contribute to the custom look of this hot rod Lincoln.
Why should you care?
In its current guise, the standard LS is nothing more than a boulevard cruiser with nice wheels and a smooth, but not overly powerful, V8. This version shows that the LS can be a real high-performance machine, given the right parts. With a facelift due next year, we can only hope that future "sport" models will look as good and have as much horsepower as this show version. — Ed Hellwig
[img]http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/48020/page014.html[/img]
I think you'll find that the 2002 model year has many, many running changes to improve the vehicle and that it will provide you years of low cost ownership compared to the vehicles you mentioned.
...and you're going to get emotionally attached to your LS.
There is a Nice BELL STAR 1 Full Face SNELL Approved on the internet at $79 dollars (Solid Colors), and 97 with a design. These are at www.onoffroad.com.
Let me know.
Regards,
V.
Brian says there'll be helmets there to use when running the course.
Confused;
Who isn't? :>) I own a 2001 V6 manual. It's a fantastic car to drive. It's been practically trouble-free in the year I've owned it. Just a couple of nits is all. I leased for 2 years. If I can afford it next year, I'll either purchase it or get a 2003. If the economy still sucks, looks like I'll be drivin a Focus.
IMHO, the LS is a great car, but the size-competitive BMW and Mercedes are better re materials/fit/finish. Course they should be at appx $10,000 more, eh? My bet would be the LS will be cheaper to maintain also.
MANIA 3 again:
OK, I'm about to leave for the big event. LS is packed with cameras, tripods, maps and clothes. I'm heading down Hiway 1 from Santa Cruz. Going to photograph and enjoy driving this road finally in a car that'll make it fun. I'm staying in Morro Bay tonite and Santa Barbara on Wed. C all U participants Thurs nite at the Doubletree. And, since Brian has asked me to be the 'official' photographer for the event, be sure to *smile* when you see me!
George
For those racing in Mania 3, the Solo-2 people have a "barrel" of helmets for your use. I thought I would buy one as I have the biggest head on the planet (XX-Large) and the new helmet is not even big enough. So for the last 3 weeks, my son's bowling ball has taken residence where my fat head hopefully will on Saturday.
There is also a Snell "M" or "MA" 2000 rating. The price is cheaper but it's for the two-wheeled folks only.
As far as Irvine goes. . .not this year. I'm on a business trip this week and leave on another one the 21st that will last a week and a half. Given that, I want to spend some time at home, especially since I'm going to miss Valentine's this week.
Maybe next time. Have a good one & let us know what went on.
Again, go out and drive the V6 and V8 thoroughly, then let us know what you think.
Regards,
Airwolf1000
See y'all at Mania III
Speaking of helmets, mine is right now in the trunk (safely tucked into a corner to avoid ITH damage), awaiting transport to LSM3. Just checked the weekend weather forecast for SoCal. Mid 60s in the daytime, high 40s at night. Is that normal for February? No wonder you guys think "snow banks" are where we store snow for safekeeping.:)
Scott
LLSOC Member (done with the days, counting the hours now)
Yea, that is our normal February weather. Those seem to be coastal temps as you'll want to add 10° for the inland high and subtract 5ish for the low. I live about 8 miles inland (on the edge of the coastal strip) and today it was about 71 and last night about 36.
See all you MANIAcs Friday!
Mike
LLSOC Charter Member
I probably won't be at the keyboard until I get home on Sunday. Artie and I should roll into Irvine in plenty of time for happy hour (and really ready to hoist a few!)
I'll (we'll) be seein' all you Maniacs at the Doubletree or Gameworks Thursday!
Chris - LLSOC Charter Member and Mania 1, 2, and 3 veteran
After spending about six months researching and test driving all the near luxury sport sedans on the market, my wife and I decided to purchase a 2000 Lincoln LS. This was to be our first time purchasing such an expensive car and we intended on keeping this car for at least six years or more. We test drove the LS two times and felt the styling and interior spaciousness along with the superior handling and braking, set the LS apart from every other car we looked at and test drove.
I won't lie to you and tell you we had no problems with our LS. In fact we have had more problems then anyone else that has posted here on the Edmunds Board. Although we were the proud owners of the ultimate Lemon, we still loved our LS for the same reasons we had bought it for. Some of the issues that we had were to be expected for a first year car newly designed from the ground up, others had to do with paint problems that in retrospect I should have left be. Ultimately there came a point were Lincoln in the truest sense of customer commitment, moved us into a new 2002 LS. This is not something that’s done lightly, but the folks at Lincoln are committed to customer satisfaction. Try and find one other forum or car club that has the engineers that designed the car and the mechanics that fix them, participating and answering questions.
We have 5000 miles on our 2002 LS V8 Sport and have had no problems so far. We enjoy owning our new LS for the same reasons we enjoyed our 2000. I don't think you will be able to find a better car for anywhere near the price. The only suggestion I would make, if you decide to purchase an LS, is that you need to choose your dealer wisely. Your dealer needs to share the same commitment that Lincoln does. Bad dealers seem to be causing a lot of the frustration you may be reading about.
That’s as unbiased as I can be.
Tom
Member LLSOC
Chuck
Whose LLSOC check is in the mail
Congratulations on your LS purchase and welcome to the club. I don't believe the V8 Jag has the same 50/50 weight distribution that the V8 LS has. If it does I know Ill be corrected. Take the time and read your owners manual. Some of us are still finding facts and features that we must have glanced over long ago.
Good luck in your quest for a winding road in South Florida.
Tom
Member LLSOC
AJ
Congratulations on your LS purchase also.
If you have the Audiophile sound system, there has been a known issue with poor grounding of the subwoofer amplifier located in the trunk. This is usually corrected by running another ground to the amp. This seems to be only an issue with the 2000 model year. Even though there is no TSB that I could find, I would think it would be covered under the warrantee. If you don’t have the Premium system it still sounds like a ground problem to me.
Tom
First, the committment to customer satisfaction at Lincoln is unmatched. It starts with the little things like participating on this board. But easily ranges to the direct, timely contact I have had with key Lincoln corporate folks who resolved all my issues above and beyond their or Lincoln's legal requirements or responsibility. Try and talk to the head of marketing or the guy who designed he transmission at Acura, BMW, and so on. You can at Lincoln.
Second, chose a dealer wisely. My dealer is Heiser LM in Milwaukee and they have never failed to do whatever it took to make me a satisfied customer. Your dealer needs to be your advocate. Before you buy, spend ten minutes with the service manager to see what his/her perspective on service is.
For all of you enjoying Mania 3, I wish I could be there, but time conflicts prevailed.
Jim
LLSOC member
Allen
To me it appears M helmets are allright and would be good for more than the Life of the Helmet since you are really supposed to change helmets every 5 years. I think at least M Helmets with SNELL M2000 would be good at least for SOLO II. I am sure the more competitive and dangerous racing events would require the SA.
Houston SCCA also Listed up to SNELL 90, But did not specify whether it had to be M or SA. I wonder what the SCCA HQ stance on this is? Anybody has an Official SCCA Handbook? Brian?
Regards,
Airwolf
What kind of helmet do I need?
For Solo II, SCCA and most autocrossing organizations require any helmet with a Snell M or SA sticker from the current, and two immediately preceding standards. In 2002, that would be Snell 2000, Snell 1995, or Snell 1990. The helmet can be full face, open face, or open with a chin guard.
M = Motorcycle. These are more commonly available and less expensive. Purported to be designed for one big hit. May have more padding on top, I don't know. You can buy an open-face in the USA for as little as $75. Not required by governments as a standard.
SA = Special Applications. A different, ostensibly more severe, standard than M. The helmet is supposed to be rated for multiple impacts and also must have a fireproof liner. Rumor has it that many manufacturer's helmets differ between M and SA only by having the fireproof liner, for which the price goes up at least $100. Since motorcyclists and snowmobilers are unlikely to purchase these things, they are made in smaller numbers, not as commonly available and much less likely to be seen in local shops at low prices.
The USA Department of Transportation has their own, less severe, standard called, not surprisingly, DOT. I think the standard is called Z.90.1.B. SCCA Solo II does not permit helmets with only the government standard Z.90.1.B. Snell tests for the effects of non-standard coatings like stickers and new paint on the helmet material, but the Z.91.B standard does not include these tests.
Pay special attention to fit. The helmet should not be so tight it brings on headache, but it should not rattle, either. Put it on and shake your head. Your skin should travel with the helmet. The idea is that your head does not get a running start before hitting the padding.
IIRC, the manual has some other info, but it relates to using the "tech tool" in the process. If my feeble, old memory can function when I get home from work today, I'll look in my shop manual for any additional info.
Thanks for the help. The ground wire makes sense and I have an appointment with the dealership this afternoon. They said they will take care of it. Thanks again!
AJ
Thanks for the help. The ground wire makes sense and I have an appointment with the dealership this afternoon. They said they will take care of it. Thanks again!
AJ
Tom is right about the ground wire. I had the same problem with mine 2000 when I first bought it. The dealer added a second ground wire and it's been working ever since.
A reporter is trying to find consumers who've traded up from mass-market brands (e.g. Toyota, Chevy, Ford, etc.) to luxury nameplates. He says, "I'm not looking for lottery winners, just regular folks who wanted more car." If you have a story to share, please send it to me at jfallon@edmunds.com. It is helpful for you to include your e-mail, phone number and city/state of residence when you respond. Deadline for submission to this one is March 6. Thanks as always for your input!
Very best,
Jeannine Fallon
PR Director
Edmunds.com
http://dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1439_A_418718_1_A,00.html