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Brian
Brian
On the way to the chapel, I had my daughter, and her bridesmaid in the back of my LS plus my wife (fancy doooo and all) in the front with me. I'm not sure the rear doors on the LS were ever designed to accomodate the stuffing of one very nervous bride-to-be complete with flowing dress into the back seat. Even with my wife's seat all the forward, it was a tight fit to keep from producing any more wrinkles than we had to. We were quite a sight I must say though...
However, my new son-in-law decided to rent a Town Car for the ride from the chapel to the reception and this is where the Town Car really earns its strips in my opinion. There was no problem with room in the back seat of that thing. Even with my son-in-law at 6' 2" and 275 pounds!
So the next time you are tempted to chuckle at the TC as a rolling coffin, remember their size, ride and reputation are appreciated some times -- even by the likes of lead-foot Kinny here:-) And my daughter got quite a charge out the fact that she rode to the wedding in one Lincoln and back in another.
Brian
What was odd about these cars is that they didn't have a build date on the window sticker. There was text in the bottom right-hand box, but instead of a date there was a code of some sort. I also saw a Sport that had a build date of 01 29 01 shown, and it did NOT have the CD discount. I assume this means that the cars with the discount were built in February. There were no V8s with recent build dates--this dealer usually has 40-50 LSs, but his stock has dwindled to about 20-25.
I also saw several Navigators with February build dates that had a similar CD discount.
I may be wrong about this, but I believe that window stickers, at least in the US, must be supplied by the factory. I also believe that any equipment discount offered by the manufacturer to the end customer must be shown on the sticker.
If it's a dealer incentive or a rebate in lieu of low-interest financing, it won't obviously appear on the sticker.
George: If the free CD deal applied to your car, it would've been on the window sticker. I assume it didn't because yours was built in January; or, perhaps it doesn't apply to manuals.
Frustrating, I know, but sometimes we're just victimized by bad timing. For example, the polished wheels on non-Sport cars, which used to be a $405 option, are no-charge on cars built after mid-December. This is the sort of thing that can be really irritating to those of us who keep up with the details, but most people are not likely to even notice it.
Kinny: Let me add my congratulations on your daughter's wedding! I agree w/your assessment of the Town Car; my mother has one, and it's very comfortable. I wouldn't want it as a daily driver, but it's quite nice in the right situation.
>Congratulations on the wedding of your daughter!
Thank you!
>You sound like a proud dad!
Yes, when we're talking about minor imperfections on our cars, or small problems at a dealership, or even hassles at work, it is easy to forget the really important things in life. Am I a proud dad? You bet!
LS's come and go, but our kids are forever!
--Kinny
kinny: A hardy congratulations from the ezaircon4jc clan!! We have a few years as our daughter is "only" 10!
azlels: Welcome to the rabid LS club! I've got nearly 12k on my '00 V6 non-sport and the driving just keeps on getting better! The "lack" of storage has actually not been near the issue I thought it would. I already took care of the lack of a second power outlet. Enjoy!
Dick
Hope this helps. If you need any more info, feel free to send an e-mail to me.
Michael.
Going sometime today - can't wait!!!
'01 V8, sport package, moonroof, advance trac, heated seats, autumn red, parchment. Yippee!
There's also a sticker affixed (on the LS) to the inner part of the driver's door opening below the A-pillar that has a month-year date on it, but I'm not sure about the significance of this date. This sticker has such things as tire and axle codes, weights, etc. along with a bar code.
So, johnny, it would seem I should qualify for a free CD changer whether they started it in Jan or Feb, eh? My sticker has no indication of anything deducted for that. (In fact, all the numbers are added, none subtracted :>)
Perhaps I should make a call?
George
Read the manual ASAP. Every time I thumb through it I find something new.
Enjoy your trip to South Jersey tomorrow.
Good Luck, Tom....
PS, I would check into the discount with your dealers. This might be time for a call to Jim Rogers.
The dealer was great. Met the sales mgr again and he took an interest in my experience of picking up the car and getting all the paperwork done.
Business mgr was efficient in getting the paperwork completed and only tried selling me one thing. Something about not having to pay excess wear and tear. Wasn't really paying attention since I never have to pay wear and tear and I didn't want it. No pressure to do it - he just said OK.
Salesman took me to the service dept to introduce me to the service mgr and I got his card. They scheduled a first service visit for May, but I'm sure it was only a formality and I will not be suing that date. But I could be wrong.
Went to get the car and they were still detailing it. Perfectly washed with a full tank of gas.
Couldn't have had a better experience. Montclair Lincoln Mercury is the dealer.
Have two other cars coming off lease in the next couple of months (business partners) and will be going back there without a doubt. One partner drives Volvos and they happen to have a related Volvo dealership. Sales mgr said to give him a call with the salesman's name and he will arrange the deal.
From my first experience and first price to my return to negotiate a better price I couldn't have asked for more in terms of service, willingness to negotiate, etc. Hope the service is just as good.
He said that he, along with the other instructors, were quite surprised at how well this four-door luxury sedan handled itself in the autocross. The pro drivers took turns going through the course with the LS cars and timing themselves against the course top qualifying time, which was against a Corvette. While they didn't expect to beat the time of this sports car, they were very surprised that they were able to come, in his words, "pretty damn close". He said that the handling of this car was just as good as a M3/M5 and much better than a 5 series.
Just thought you'd like to know the opinion of someone who instructs people on high-performance driving on a daily basis.
Brian
Any thoughts appreciated.
You should be very pleased that your dealer experience was as good as it was. Good to know that there's an NJ dealer who is doing this well.
Don't forget to check out the LLSOC site and sign up on the owner's registry so that Tom and I will no longer be the lone NJ owners.
I regulary commute between Whippany and Clifton. What color is your new baby? Maybe we'll see each other sometime on Rt 3.
Joe
will head on over to the llsoc site and sign up. Have been there but not signed in.
Jaime
Jaime, just relax and enjoy the ride.
Tom....
Tom....
Hope this helps. The LS is a very balanced and responsive car. I love mine.
I started using Leather Cleaner and Conditioner from Zaino Bros. (I know... but I haven't joined the cult, yet.) I have used the cleaner & conditioner about once a month for the past year of ownership... (Happy LS Anniversary to me - one year ago today, I brought my baby home.)
Anyway, it honestly smells like a brand new car inside and with 14,000 miles, I believe it has a lot to do with keeping it clean and keeping the seats treated.
The 92 Continental that I bought had 130,000 miles on it, and I don't think the leather was EVER cleaned/conditioned, but after scraping all of the crap out of the cracks and turning a bucket of clean water brown, I was able to restore the seats pretty well with the Zaino products.
You have to go to their website http://www.zainobros.com and print out an order form.
I'm not so sold on their car polish products. They're good, but not the best.
The SST software in all the 2001 cars is the same. The TSB that is out does not change the SST shifts in a 2001 at all. They already have the latest.
Mark
I must admit though, my first ever FWD commuter car (1982 Chevy Citation- I know, I know) got me home in a major snowstorm the first winter I owned it in about 2 hours, when some co-workers didn't get home 'til 9 that night. I remember driving up the side of the highway in the tracks of a Jeep Wrangler while the roadway was completely blocked with cars.
Now, fast forward to the LS. This has been a pretty bad winter around here compared to the last few. The LS is particularly well-balanced. Having just about 50/50 weight balance with the V6 really helps. The traction control works well as long as the road is flat. I thought it actually worked better on ice than snow. I must say though, that I have gotten stuck a number of times this winter. I was able to extricate myself once by disabling TC and rocking the car, as the OM recommends. One other time, I had to be pushed out by my cousin, whose house I got stuck in front of, even with using SST for 3rd gear start. I still would still like to have the option of anti-slip in conjunction with TC. IMO, this would make a more effective winter driving combo. All in all, however, the LS is still the most confidence-inspiring car I have driven in foul weather-rain or snow.
Congrats to the new LS owners. Welcome to the fold. It's especially good to see some more owners from the East coast (I'm on LI). Maybe we can get together some time.
Congrats also to kinny on your new "son." I can only wish you two the kind of relationship my late father-in-law and I had. Still miss him after 15 years.
Art
Enjoy.
Scott
I am aware of the fact that the SST software on all 2001's is the same. What I meant to get across was that my 2000 LS before the Re-flash was not so forgiving or smooth for that matter. Now I find it smooth shifting and a joy to use. Thanks for your ongoing efforts to Improve the LS transmission.
Tom......
Thanks, Michael
I am Don, living in Dallas, Texas. I am 27, and I just purchased my first luxury vehicle. It's a pearl blue LS V-8 sport with medium graphite interior. I haven't actually picked the car up yet - tomorrow is the big day. So, I can't wait to officially join the owner's club soon.
One of the first things I plan to do is upgrade the horrible speakers in my new car. I am not looking for a bass-thumpin' pimp mobile type system. What I want is a pretty powerful audio experience that sounds really clean when I turn it up good and loud.
I assume many of you have also upgraded the sound system. Any advice? I am particularly interested as to whether you think the Alpine deck is a solid deck that is simply wired to sub-par speakers, or whether I should replace the deck. My current plan is to keep the deck, put new JVC speakers all around, plus install an amp and a sub. Any opinions?
This looks like a great message board with lots of very active participants. So, I am really glad to be a part of this little corner of cyberspace. Any audio advice will be appreciated.
-Don in Dallas
I changed out my front speakers with Polk dX7 and the rear with Infinity Reference 5752cf. I have the base 4 speaker system and this was a vast improvment! I'm 44 and this set-up is fine with me. I can still crank up enough volume to give myself a headache! Someone, I can't remember who, has a system like you described. Check out www.llsoc.com and under the registry you may find out who upgraded their system like you suggested.
Again, WELCOME!
Michael
Possibly a former cult member,
Jim.
The transmission has a speed sensor on the input shaft and on the output shaft. There is one in the middle, too, but that one is not used for adaptive.
The software can read the time a shift takes by looking at the speed sensors. The transmission ratio can be calculated by dividing the input speed by the output speed. All you need to do is measure how long the ratio change takes.
If the ratio change takes longer than it should, next time the software will ask for more pressure to make that shift. If it takes less time than is should there will be less pressure for the next one of those shifts.
Mark
Just a suggestion...enjoy your LS. After 28,000 miles and 14 months, I can assure you, that this is one serious performance sedan thats well thought out and put together.
I have ALWAYS performed major upgrades to my sound systems in the past, with subs, amps, component speakers in the doors, etc. (I am sure my hearing has deteriorated becuase of it as well.) One thing that happens is that once you replace speakers with a high quality type, you usually don't have enough power from your deck to drive them to their best output. You then end up putting an amp in to boost the speakers to their best range. Then, just a little more base would be good, so in goes an 8" to 10" sub and another amp.
At the end of the day, what you really have to decide is what floats your boat. If you want to upgrade, start with the front door speakers. If your happy with that, great. If you need more, dig out the plastic 'cuase it can get spendy.
While it is in the shop, I am having the radio looked at as to why it stays on when the key is removed AND AFTER the door is open. Also having the cruise control looked at becuase it won't step up and down. I will post a follow up message with the repairs done in case anyone else suffers from the same symptoms.
BTW, the Taurus loaner I have for the day really makes me appreciate the drive and quality of my LS. But it seems to be pretty snappy out of the gates!
By the way, just returned from a quick trip from Evansville, IN to Bedford, VA via I-64. Started with about 8,800 miles on odometer. Was disappointed that first tank of gas yielded only 20 mpg. However, next two were just over 24 mpg. The car performed as expected - a great ride. Did encounter some very bad conditions crossing the mountains in W. Virginia. Heavy snow and ice. Handling was no problem! Spent consdierable time in the snow-covered left hand lane as the other lane was travelling at 25 mph. While appropriate for the locals, it was alittle slow for a native Michigander.
On the return trip, temp was around 60 and I decided to take a shortcut, using Rte. 311 from Salem, VA to White Sulphur Springs, W. VA., a beautiful two lane drive going over the top of the Blue Ridge Mountains. The car was a true joy as the curves and hills didn't even make it work hard. Was glad to have the manual transmission as it let me choose my gears for accelerating and braking. In my Explorer, it would have been a chore. In the LS, it was a blast.
A year into my lease, I'm still infatuated with this car.
I am victor and I just turned 26 on the 24th and also live in the BIG D. I took delivery of my Silver LS on the 23rd one year ago. It has been a pleasure to drive. Unfortunately I have had alot of little annoyances with trim but other than that great car. You need to go to the LLSOC site and that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the LS.
Now Regarding Speakers. I have given this some thought but I would personally have installed some Clarion Pro Audio 5X7 up front and a pair in the back doors. Regarding the Rear Deck, if you cut the Aluminum you can place to 8 two 10 inch free airs, and an Amp in the Middle of the Deck.
Bonuses... tweeters in the rear pillars, A component set up front instead of front 5X7. Also for Multimedia go with an Alpine AVA-1505 I believe Tuner/TV Monitor up front, the DVD Player add on, and two Alpine TV Monitors one for each seatback headrest display. Another amp and a CD Changer couldn't hurt. By the Way I have seen the AVA-1505 installed in a Cutlass supreme. It is nice! I was watching Saving Private Ryan. Wow the Subs made the artillery blasts sound unreal! By the way MTX Thunder (Not Road Thunder line (Economy)), Orion, Phoenix Gold are great amps. I have had two MTX Thunder Amps in my Capri for 5 years with no problems. Still gowing strong!
I would like to do this for my LS but, I have been there done that, and I am waiting for the LS 6 Speed Manual, In which case I will trade in my current one, and also you would be looking at a 5K+ sound system..
Regards,
Airwolf1000
I've found that this stuff easily takes off tar and bugs/dirt and leaves your finish beading in the rain for a long time. It is just a heck of a lot more simple than the Zaino "12-step" (or whatever) program... although I probably will try the Zaino again this spring... since I have it!
The Zaino finish just doesn't seem to last like the Astro Shields does.
I looked on the internet, and there is a Pharmor in Ashland, KY... whether they have it or not is another question...
Has anyone else used this product?
Bill
The lack of some of the more advanced safety features on the LS is becoming an issue. No rear airbags, no curtain airbags, no pretensioners & force limiters for all seatbelts, and no brake assist. And they deleted the adjustable rear headrests in the LS8? If a VW Passat, Audi A4, Volvo S60, etc. can have some of these and a MB C240 or BMW 3 Series have nearly all, then an LS8 pushing $40,000 needs these things as standard.
My wife is already leaning toward MB C-Class in order to get 'em. We've got small kids.