Chrysler 300M

sdmike2

However, we could use that WITH the aircharger heat shield (those of us that have it). Anyone gonna post to this guy and let him know that chrome (or red...grin) will have a bunch of 300M buyers if it fits?

sdmike2

Thanks for the compliments easyrider. I think the result is growing on me. As for the wheel...they sell little adapters that allow you to attach the front wheel to the rack (separate from the bike) to solve the trunk issue, but I don't see that as a big deal. I'll just put down a blanket in the trunk for the wheel (and my shoes, etc.). I've seen a couple where you can leave the front wheel on the bike, but they were at least $100 more expensive. I think this will be more stable too.

Videoman - Hmmmm...now you hvae me thinking. How about a sports utility sedan (SUS)? LOL. By the way, I owned the black/red/chrome bike before I got the black/red/chrome car. Complete coincidence, but it's cool that it matches. Of course I wear a bright yellow riding jersey and ruin it. lol

ajpiii

There are actually a couple of threads on that site reguarding the intake... I read in one of them that it will fit the 3.5 in the rt, the only problem being with the 2002 rt, I guess it has a sensor by the throttle body...

The intake does have a heat shield to prevent hot engine air from affecting perfomance... if you look at it, the shield surrounds the filter so it looks like the cold air would go from the fender, straight into the filter... Kinda reminds me of the Flower Pot Mod... the hot air on the other side of the shield shouldnt have much of an effect...

ajpiii

Stole this post from the Intrepid Site

"Hey everyone,

Sorry I have not responded in a while. Been real busy with some things....but enough of that...here are some answers that may help you guys.

THe intake WILL fit the 2.7, 3.2, and the R/T 3.5

Sorry FIRST GEN'RS.....nothing for your guys yet.

The filters are made by a company called AC. I met them at a SEMA show this year and was impressed by there product. We have teamed up with AC to build some 2nd gen intakes and other parts. SO far so good. I am in the process of negotiating lower prices with the company. But because TREPTECH is small and very young, its been a bit difficult. The list that's being passed around is a great help. Allows me to show them that a market is out there! We just need to nip it in the butt

So please keep adding yourself to the list if you're interested.

For now, I can tell you that it will be less expensive than the K&N intake for sure And it will work a lot better! Finishes will only be available in chrome to keep cost down. RUbber piece will be black, to match the engine. Colors will be available at extra cost (not for sure yet). Intake will include: Filter with heatshield, single piece chrome intake, rubber nitrile piece to connect to TB, and hardware. Hope that helps folks. I'll keep in touch.

John R.
TREPTECH, inc."

scotian

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but:

Of course it sucks up hot engine air, even though its intake hole is pointing at the fender. Only if the air path were connected directly to the fender air hole with an airtight connection, or in the fender itself, would it not suck up detrimental hot engine air.

As pretty as this chrome thing is, the Aircharger is very obviously superior -- at least in function as it tries to keep away the hot engine air in a halfway decent manner. Also, the volume of ingested air is restricted by the hole. There is no functional advantage from covering most of the cone filter and leaving a hole that still sucks in air directly from the engine compartment.

So far, only the OEM airbox and Franken-Intake suck in only "cold" outside air:

http://public.fotki.com/Scotian/300m/engine/air_intake/airbox/

Now if only Volant made one for the 300M:

http://public.fotki.com/Scotian/300m/engine/air_intake/aftermarket/volant.html

ajpiii

Aircharger Superior ? It doesnt connect directly to the throttle body, how can it be superior in function ?

Im sure if you put an airflow sensor near the filter, you would see the air flow comming from the fender rather than from the engine compartment... just the constant flow of air comming from the fender is probably sufficient to keep the hot air from getting in the engine.. add the heat shield and Im sure it does just as good of a job as the K&N in getting nice cold air into the engine...

Just imagine standing in front of an air conditioner with a heat shield behind you... your always going to breathe cold air reguardless of whats behind that shield...

scotian

I would be interested in if he replaces the silly stock TB elbow, and with what. Of course, it is easy enough to fabricate replacements out of nitrile elbows.

Actually, the air path will always be that of least resistance, and there is much less resistance for air coming from the hot engine compartment as a whole than from one particular hole in the fender, even if it is just a few inches away.

Don't kid yourself -- there will be no magic "cold" airflow coming from the hole in the fender going directly to the chrome cover's hole unless there's an airtight tube directing it.

The Aircharger at least attempts to create a meaningful barrier between the hot air and the air pocket that feeds the filter. It is this barrier that is the thing that matters most in these comparisons, and even the Aircharger has much room for improvement. The only thing the chrome cover will do is to stop heat radiated from the engine from directly heating up and melting the filter itself, which, even if this was at all a concern, the Aircharger does as well.

easyrider300m

so how hard can it be to finish the job and run a tube from the hole in the fender to the end of the cone filter---someone should be able to do that---

that chrome cover over the filter would probably make the filter less efficient---I think you would get unequal loading of the filter as the filter material nearer the opening would probably load up first---and I would think that shield would definitely restrict air flow vs the aircharger--yes it looks nice, but looks arent everything---

ajpiii

Im not sure, but doesnt the fender pressurize while driving the M ? If it does you would expect large amounts of nice cold fresh air comming through the hole in the fender...

Ideally it would obviously be better if it connected directly to the hole in the fender, but Im willing to bet it does a decent job reguardless...

Oh yeah and he is using a nitrile elbow to connect it to the throttle body...

easyrider300m

holds suppliers responsible for some costs: http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=39614

easyrider300m

many opinions seem unbiased, contrary to what you would find on this thread: lemko "What About Chrysler - 2?" Jun 12, 2002 8:08am

cmyers300m

Right on Mike......it's 90 degrees here and my acceleration is pretty sad. I think the best temp is around 60, with low humidity.

glennbp

I started a poll on the 300M Enthusiast's Club board to see how much support is out there for this new chrome intake. Should be interesting to see the results. If enough folks are truly interested in buying one, we could use the poll to bolster support for it's "mass" production. Check it out here:

http://pub88.ezboard.com/f300menthusiastsclubfrm2.showMessage?topicID=97.topic

splatt

Anyone see the new Sealy mattress commercial? They are in a car dealer, guy is looking at a car and the dealer says, want to get behind the wheel? Guy gets in and falls asleep - "that's why we don't make cars," the commercial says. However, just as he goes to get in, you see some cars in the background and there is a sandstone colored M sitting right behind them - can't miss that front end! Thought it was pretty funny

scotian

The fender would have to be *very* pressurized to effectively bridge the gap between the hole and the intake housing. Or for $300 you could install an eRam to suck air out of the fender and blow it towards the filter cover.

Or you could simply add a pipe/hose to connect to the fender hole, or move the battery to the trunk and stick the pipe end or the filter down there (you might want to install a bypass valve near the TB to prevent flooding).

I recall seeing pics of something like the former, where the filter can opening was attached to the fender with some sort of bracket.

I believe the additional restriction of a filter cover and some additional pipe length is not nearly as bad as sucking in hot engine air.

I think with all of the intake mods and variations we have done, the single most (or perhaps only) important one is to remove the curved cone restrictions in the large plenum box, as these are designed to reduce engine noise. The cotton filters, cone or OEM replacement with OEM airbox, are all secondary and perhaps functionally irrelevant. But having spent lots of time and effort here, I hope I'm wrong :-)

sdmike2

FWIW, when it gets below 70 here there is a VERY noticable improvement in car performance. Therefore, I can only summize that doing everything you can to lower the air intake temperature will be time well spent. I think the Aircharger does a decent job, but as scotian said it would be better if it was totally isolated from the engine heat.

scotian

See end of:

http://public.fotki.com/Scotian/300m/lighting/taillights/

silverbullet4

Thanks for the pix. I haven't seen that config before. I don't get the numerous catalogs in the mail that I used to. (My fave was the Palo Alto Bike Shop-All kinds of lightweight fittings and tires. I still have an aluminum stem bolt from them that I am afraid to install. Imagine no steering control coming down a steep!)

I was expecting yours to look like some of my camping friends'-a rectangular tray of expanded metal (diamond pattern) that will hold entire bikes or coolers and boxes. You will have to be very careful with driveways with all that sticking out so far. How much length did the adaptor add?

Silver

splatt

So, I'm still wondering from those that have installed it... Is there any SOTP difference? (don't really expect much if any) and does it sound 'better'? What is your general opinion of it after the install - was it worth the $240?

Am thinking of something - between the new chrome one and this, since it's a simple mod (relatively) and not very expensive...

glennbp

Here's my take; after having the K&N installed for several months now, I can say there is a little increase in overall power coupled with the dual exhaust. It also definitely sounds better (if you like that sort of sucking air sound) especially when you punch it from a slow rolling speed. It finally dawned on me that the OEM air intake setup was probably designed to keep the thing as quiet as possible! The thing is, a few more horsies when pulling around 3600 lbs of car is not going to make an appreciable difference. If your goal is to squeeze every drop of horsepower that you can, then go with a more sealed sytem like the Franken-Intake which sucks in cooler air. IMO, there will no difference between the K&N and the Treptech intakes. They are very similar in design, so, if you are into esthetics, I would choose the chrome Treptech which, BTW, I will probably change to as I am dressing up my engine compartment as we speak. I tend to favor appearance over performance especially when the performance yields so little difference. Now if we were talking Paxton superchargers...!!!

splatt

heh I didn't think there'd be much noticible difference, but it'll be the first step. New exhaust will come later - prolly sometime end of the year though. The Treptech definitely looks better though...

guesswho1

scare me!!! chrome the k&n

blonda

I also feel a difference with the K&N charger (more torque)-- like Glennbp, especially with the duals. Difference is more pronounced when car is cold (for obvious reasons).

sdmike2

The adapter added about 9 inches to the distance. The nice thing about having a hitch is now I can put anything I want back there, including the tray that you mentioned. I like this set-up for the bike and don't mind the extra distance. I can get to the trunk easily, and there is no risk of the bike banging on the back of the car.

sdmike2

For those of you experiencing poor sound out of your 01 or 02 Ms with the upgraded Infinity system (especially the bass response on the door woofers), read this thread in the 300M club forum. There has been a service notice for mis-wired speakers, and one of the members has posted good instructions for seeing if you have the wiring problem...and fixing it!

http://pub88.ezboard.com/f300menthusiastsclubfrm11.showMessage?topicID=30.topic

99_300m_ric_va

Hey Blonda, if you chrome that K&N maybe it will go faster! LOL! No wait a minute, it goes like, if it don't go, chrome it...yeah, yeah that's the ticket, yeah.

blonda

it's a guy thing isn't it? (except for wheels....you always gotta have nice shoes)

videoman1

While leaving the local Pep Boys I noticed a red Chrysler LHS with the fake convertible top. Yes, it looks as bad in person as it does in a photo. What are these people thinking?

-vman

easyrider300m

by the results of our poll, it looks like people favor you painting that trailer hitch to match your car---so I guess you better pick up some nice inferno red spray paint and some clear coat---you dont want fellow M'ers talkin bout you now do you?

The wheelie bar wheels were also recommended.

EasyRider300M

denverm

Wow! That didn't take sdmike long! Someone just sent me this spy photo!

300michael

The fenders are not pressured while driving. Actually the reverse is more true. If the fender opening (where the air box gets it air from) is left open the it actually exhausts hot engine bay air. IF you have a closed system then the chamber will be neutral. I did some testing on this a while back, when working with some of my original ABS system tubings. So if you have the filter chanrger type systems you want to seal it as much a possible to keep out the hot air.
That is why I went with the hood scoop it was the only way I could come up with for cool pressurized air.
I do like the looks of it chromed, but can not use it now in my car.

300michael

At most are good for -.15 seconds in 0-60 times (the reason I like to use 0-60 times is because it tells me how well I can expect to merge onto the freeway)(we have the signals that make you stop before intering them). I think I remember something about you gain 1 hp for every 8 degree drop in air temp.

easyrider300m

no way he painted it that quick---power of paint programs!---You forgot to put a BigRed M on that hitch plug---can you do that in the paint program , Denvern? Would like to see what that would look like---

Giveaway--the lettering on the bar--he would have painted over that!

denverm

In his meticulous fashion, sdmike must have just peeled off the sticker (white letters on clear background) and then reapplied it.

fastdriver

sdmike2-

Nice rear end, nice shine, nice color, nice wing, nice car to look at..... nice bike rack too! ;-)) At least with that on, no one will bump your bumper!

easyrider300m-

OH NO! Chrysler to going to try and match Toyota's "PERCEIVED" reliability in 5 years! Oh boy! Some people here won't be happy! ;-))))

fastdriver

videoman1

Remember Avalanch165? He had that totally tricked out 300M which he sold to purchase an Acura NSX. Well, I was wondering if anyone had a link to the old photos of his 300M. I'd like to check it out again.

-vman

sdmike2

Come on over here and try that magic with the real thing! LOL

sdmike2

...but I think a red hitch stands out more than the black one based on that awesome rendition by Denverm. You almost don't see the black one in normal use because it's down under the bumper in the shadows. If it was red it would make it look like the bumper is deformed. Also, I'm not about to taked the blasted thing off just to paint it. It was "not much fun" to install.

sdmike2

...how about one of those spring-loaded hands waving "bye bye" as a hitch cover? Maybe one of those dash board hula dancers? lol

scotian

I had one of those once. I removed four of its digits...

What was really cool is that I got it from my grandfather, who is a Shriner. It had "Hi, Noble!" printed on it.

easyrider300m

newspaper---tape----OR

how bout having Av make you up a nice bumper extension to cover it all except the square plug area...

Does that mean the 2 little wheels are OUT too....they would come in handy when you add the air ride and start doin da BOUNCE!!!

sdmike2

At one point I saw a hitch assembly (Roger reminded me of it today) where the receiver stuck through the fascia of the car instead of sitting under it. I don't recall the make, but having been back there I can say there's virtually no way that could have worked for the M. The fascia wraps around rather closely to the fuel tank, and there's really no way to mount a large tow bar behind the fascia and have a receiver sticking out. So maybe the answer IS to have a body shop make some ground effects for the car. Maybe I'll call Lorinser or Startech and see if they want to use Big Red as a guinea pig. )

sdmike2

That's a riot! Where did you have it mounted? I figured you'd find a way to mount a 9mm handgun pointing backward or something. Just to keep tailgaters back about 1000 yards.

easyrider300m

did you get the 300M Enthusiast club permit to install that hitch---didnt you read the terms of membership agreement of da club?---

sdmike2

rut roh

easyrider300m

achance

Mike, others; where did you get the hitch? The M makes a pretty good truck with seats folded down, but the wear and tear on the trunk is getting to be a little too much. I either have to put a hitch on mine or convince the wife to put one on here Sebring. Don't need much of one, just a little 4 x 8 trailer to haul things I don't want in the trunck

99_300m_ric_va

I tried avalanche's old web site and it's no where to be found. Try Easy's suggestion, look for him on NSX forums or try avalanche165 on AIM (AOL Instant Messenger).

cmyers300m

That chrome intake is not available yet? Is that right? I'm just real interested since I was planning to order a K&N Aircharger this week, now I think I'll wait. Is there a website out there for this Treptech? I need help guys, thanks....

Chris

ajpiii

Can be found here http://66.78.5.249/forums/showthread.php?s=4595e20166dc28cef0532e4f4c7ec69c&threadid=6624

Looks like they are doing a group buy...