WOW! You must have a great dealer. I complained to the dealer I bought the car from and begged them to do something. They said they couldn't do anything about it. Went to my dealer that I have all my service done at and they said they couldn't do anything about it, also. I even ask them who did their after market leather on their cars and they said they wouldn't be able to fix the seats either. I can stand it around town, it's just when I drive on a long trip.
I just got my 05 Avalon back from the body shop. Looks brand new. I am wondering if anyone out there that has an older model car had the 3m film put on the bumper and hood. I am wondering how it holds up as it ages. Any discoloration? Does it peel off? Does the color of the car look different than it does under them film since that paint doesn't get polished? I would like to have it put on my bumper since toyota paint quality is so bad. My old bumper looked awful with all the rock chips and I don't drive on the highway except about 3 times a year and I am very careful not to follow behind trucks, etc. The body shop guy said I would have to wait 90 days. By that time, it will probably already have chips, but if not, I'd like to have it put on just the bumper. The hood and mirrors have too many chips.
I stopped by my friendly Toyota dealer today and picked up a nice brochure all about the New Avalon. It doesn't have pictures of the many colors or options as such, it's more a piece about the car i.e., how, why when É
I read in this 9/6/12 article that the tire sizes will be less wide on the 2013 Avalon, as that improves gas milage: "Less mass makes Avalon more responsive and engaging near handling limits,” Katarzynski explained. “Also, with less mass, less tire width is needed to reach competitive grip levels. The smaller width helps minimize drag losses to help enhance fuel economy, too.”
Yet, I think that there will be a 17 inch available like on my 2001 LS 430 EuroSport. Does anyone know what all the available choices for width will be? Thanks.
Thanks, I'll sign up to get Toyota updates. But, I'm hoping some "spy" info will show up on some blog, along with the width sizes available. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that if the Avalon has too skinny a width, the car won't handle the way that Toyota says they're going for = Better Handling! But, they may be willing to sacrifice that for improved gas mileage?
Well if this proofs to be true, they will succeed in getting folks to move up to the Lexus line, OR go to something else all together.
This pricing came form one of the web site discussing the All New Avalon. The way I see it, if the ES went down in price, then so will the Avalon, if not that is going to suck, because it's safe to say that at the $38,000.00 this will be a base model:( I'm sorry, but this just seems way to expensive to me. If they wanted folks to switch. then just don't up-date the Avalon.
I'm going to say, these folks are flat out wrong, and the price range will be more like $32,500.00 to $37,900.00.
The Avalon and ES are on a new, larger platform than the Camry, so they definitely out-class the Camry. The Avalon Hybrid will have the new, upgraded Camry Hybrid power train, though (up from 158bhp to 200 this year, I think). The ES will also use that power train.
The price comparison for the Camry Hybrid should be against the I4, I think, not the V6, although I see what you are doing there.
I am hoping to get into a loaded Avalon Hybrid for around $40K this year, as opposed to around $50K for a loaded ES Hybrid. I could get a Camry Hybrid for lots less, but it is also much less car (mid-size versus full-size).
The Avalon has not changed it was always on the 111" wheel base and the ES was on the Camry platform. The 2013 ES is now built on the Avalon Chassis which increase rear seat leg room by 4". The ES was always a dress up Camry and the Avalon in my eye was a dressed down LS. I've own both car and for the money the Avalon is a superior automobile. And if ES pricing is an indicator the Hybrid Avalon will be a $2500 premium over the gas model. With a fully loaded Avalon around $36.5k msrp and a Hybrid $39k. I bet if you wait until spring you'll be able to get the Avalon Hybrid for under $37k. I don't think they will sell many compared to the Lexus or Camry Hybrid's numbers. I almost got the 2013 ES Navigation and roof it was $43.7k msrp last month. I was quoted $41.1k+ttl @ $45k OTD. I decide to wait for the Avalon release to actually see the car in person before I chose. I know the Avalon is the better value but it's just so plain and ugly hoping the new style changes all of that lol.
My local dealer said there will be more colors offered then what is shown on the Toyota Web Site, he also said there is some differences in what they are saying about the car?
HP is more then they have said?
Options and models are more then they've said?
Toyota dealers will have at least 1 of each model by the end of October, with delivery to customers 30 days later?
They didn't say when any of this info would be available for customers É that sucks.
Here's hoping he hear right.
Anyone else out there hear from their local dealers and if so, what did they say?
oh, he said the car was more powerful then what has been quoted?
300 Ponies and still 30 MPG?
If his time table is right, I'd say we should be seeing some new stuff posted within the next 2 weeks. Here's hoping.
Oh, he did say, he hadn't taken a NEW toyota as a "Demo" in all the years he has been a dealer, but he WOULD have one of these. In a Sable Color with Tan interior (which is one of the ones they showed in Vegas)
I will say there are things I like more about the earlier models.
- I like my steering wheel much better then the new one
- I'd love to see them make a "Avalon" badge for the car instead of the "Toyota"
- I DON'T like the fact that the top front looks like the Camry. And this car was suppose to be "All New from the Ground up"? Something tells me, they looked at the Camry and or Toyota front ends over the last few years before designing this one. Maybe these pieces fit from the Camry, helping to keep the costs down?
- I DON'T like the fact that they dropped the reclining Back seats:(
- I hope the paint is a bit tougher. My handle areas look like [non-permissible content removed] because of how easy they scratch when opening the doors. If nothing else, they should make paint protectors for the handles, much like they do for the hood.
I'm sure it's hard to make a car that will appeal to both young and old. A nice old fashion steering wheel works for me, but a MUCH younger person wants something a bit more sportyÉ
I'm not old at all, I just like old style, quality, comfortable cars and so I fall in the "Olde Fart" category:)
Wow, at this point in time, that's all I can see or say, until I see the new one in person, drive it, feel it, look it over.
I will say the overall look is growing on me.
I do like the way the rear looks É a lot.
Now it's just a waiting game to see what it will be like. I'm lead to believe it's 15 days or so before we'll be able to go online and pick out the colors both exterior and interior options.
to me.toyota dropped the ball on this one.the front is way too camryish and the back too azeraish.they want to a sportify a classic cruiser car.have had 06,09 and now i have a 2012.this will be my last one.toyota if i wanted a sporty look id get a bmw.looking to buy a LS460 next.lets just hope toyota doesn't f&ck that style up too.
I would agree, that they should have made the front different then the Camry, if in fact they want folks to think of Avalon and not Camry when they look at the Avalon.
In my opinion, the design team, had a late model Camry and Avalon in the room when they were designing it. They claim they did market research and asked folks what they liked, wanted and wanted changed about the new Avalon, and I for one, can't believe that anyone said "Let's make it look like the Camry up front, cuz I think the Camry looks awesome".
They could have done so much better by in fact making it look more like a Jaguar of better yet, something they designed!
The car, is awesome, I have no doubt, it's the damn grill.
I agree. And I see a potential market for entrepreneurs to retrofit these hideous grills in both the Avalon and LS. Otherwise, the size and overall interior and exterior styling of the Avalon is very nice and modern.
But that grill--but then again, since you'll be sitting behind the wheel you will not have to look at it. And pretty soon it will grow on you sort of like an ugly baby.
Who knows, once you put on the nice Chrome license plate frame, it will take up enough of the grill, so as to make it look fine, and yes, while I'm inside the grill won't bother me to much.
You must be kidding..... what next?? Maybe if you turn the mounting bracket upside down, then...... Does any state use two front plates, maybe hide some of the ...... really.
Since the Lexus ES350 is out maybe they are watching the sales on that to decide on a pricing strategy for the Avalon. Given they are built on the same platform they need to price them in such a way that Avalon does not cannibalize Lexus sales which they sell more of.
According to Edmonds the base ES350 is now $36,995 and my 2011 Avalon Limited w/o Navigation or other options was $36,513 so it looks like the new Avalon is going to see a price reduction too.
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A few places I've found good information on this product.
- http://www.automotivearticles.com/123/Clear_Bra_3M.shtml
- http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Scotchgard_Paint_Protection/Film/Sol- utions/For_the_Consumer/
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_Rd6xur_I
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http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/avalon/
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- http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/25070759
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http://www.torquenews.com/1075/toyotas-weight-reduction-strategy-makes-2013-aval- on-lighter-more-fuel-efficient
Yet, I think that there will be a 17 inch available like on my 2001 LS 430 EuroSport. Does anyone know what all the available choices for width will be? Thanks.
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go to something else all together.
This pricing came form one of the web site discussing the All New Avalon. The way I see it, if the ES went down in price, then so will the Avalon, if not that is going to suck, because it's safe to say that at the $38,000.00 this will be a base model:( I'm sorry, but this just seems way to expensive to me. If they wanted folks to switch. then just don't up-date the Avalon.
I'm going to say, these folks are flat out wrong, and the price range will be more like $32,500.00 to $37,900.00.
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So is it going to be:
- Base (XL)
- XLE (Is this going to be the Limited Version?)
- Limited?
- Hybrid
- Sports Edition?
That's a lot of choices. Not sure if that's the way to go. Sure you'll be able to get closer to what you want, but 5 models?
- $32,500.00
- $35,000.00
- $37,900.00
- $39,500.00
- $41,900.00
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At these this is what Toyota Motor Corp said today.
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The price comparison for the Camry Hybrid should be against the I4, I think, not the V6, although I see what you are doing there.
I am hoping to get into a loaded Avalon Hybrid for around $40K this year, as opposed to around $50K for a loaded ES Hybrid. I could get a Camry Hybrid for lots less, but it is also much less car (mid-size versus full-size).
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21eNo5sOON0&feature=player_detailpage
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HP is more then they have said?
Options and models are more then they've said?
Toyota dealers will have at least 1 of each model by the end of October, with delivery to customers 30 days later?
They didn't say when any of this info would be available for customers É that sucks.
Here's hoping he hear right.
Anyone else out there hear from their local dealers and if so, what did they say?
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300 Ponies and still 30 MPG?
If his time table is right, I'd say we should be seeing some new stuff posted within the next 2 weeks. Here's hoping.
Oh, he did say, he hadn't taken a NEW toyota as a "Demo" in all the years he has been a dealer, but he WOULD have one of these. In a Sable Color with Tan interior (which is one of the ones they showed in Vegas)
- XLE
- Limited Edition
- Hybrid
This is a very nice picture here:
http://www.velocityjournal.com/images/org/2012/581/ty2013avalon58149533.jpg
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- I like my steering wheel much better then the new one
- I'd love to see them make a "Avalon" badge for the car instead of the "Toyota"
- I DON'T like the fact that the top front looks like the Camry. And this car was suppose to be "All New from the Ground up"? Something tells me, they looked at the Camry and or Toyota front ends over the last few years before designing this one. Maybe these pieces fit from the Camry, helping to keep the costs down?
- I DON'T like the fact that they dropped the reclining Back seats:(
- I hope the paint is a bit tougher. My handle areas look like [non-permissible content removed] because of how easy they scratch when opening the doors. If nothing else, they should make paint protectors for the handles, much like they do for the hood.
I'm sure it's hard to make a car that will appeal to both young and old. A nice old fashion steering wheel works for me, but a MUCH younger person wants something a bit more sportyÉ
I'm not old at all, I just like old style, quality, comfortable cars and so I fall in the "Olde Fart" category:)
Wow, at this point in time, that's all I can see or say, until I see the new one in person, drive it, feel it, look it over.
I will say the overall look is growing on me.
I do like the way the rear looks É a lot.
Now it's just a waiting game to see what it will be like. I'm lead to believe it's 15 days or so before we'll be able to go online and pick out the colors both exterior and interior options.
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In my opinion, the design team, had a late model Camry and Avalon in the room when they were designing it. They claim they did market research and asked folks what they liked, wanted and wanted changed about the new Avalon, and I for one, can't believe that anyone said "Let's make it look like the Camry up front, cuz I think the Camry looks awesome".
They could have done so much better by in fact making it look more like a Jaguar of better yet, something they designed!
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Seems like Toyota has made the grills on their cars, a source of conversation this year.
The car, is awesome, I have no doubt, it's the damn grill.
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I agree. And I see a potential market for entrepreneurs to retrofit these hideous grills in both the Avalon and LS. Otherwise, the size and overall interior and exterior styling of the Avalon is very nice and modern.
But that grill--but then again, since you'll be sitting behind the wheel you will not have to look at it. And pretty soon it will grow on you sort of like an ugly baby.
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- http://www.toyota.com/avalonexperience/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/slide3-816x475- .jpg
Kind of like the old Wrigley's gum commercial "Two stick's, two sticks, two sticks in one"
"2 plates, 2 plates 2 plates covering one ugly grill"
I should kick it too much, it's the ugly grill that will be in my door yard later on this year:)
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