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Jaguar X-Type



  • rayh3rayh3 Posts: 38
    Sargoniv...your maintenance is included for the 1st 4 years....don't have to worry about the filter for a while.
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,330
    compared to the trunk mounted CD stacker IMO, is NOT as good. I've had cars with both trunk and dash mounted and prefer the trunk as the cd's are not changed while you're driving, and for-that- matter, are not changed in the car, but rather in the house. The trunk cartridge loads just as easily and is quiet. The dash mounted units are usually very noisey when "flipping" through and switching cd's for listening.
  • Yes, I know about the service, but I want to switch to Synthetic now that I have enough miles on it. Dealer has agreed to use my oil for the scheduled 10,000 mile service points.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Stopped by local Jag dealer again. Last time he had 1 X-type ($42,500). This time he had 4 X-types. The BRG from the first time plus 3 others. All were loaded 3.0s. Two at $42,500 and the other two at $43,400. Dealer still has no brochures. I wonder if this dealer will ever have an X-type for less than $36,000.

    Both wife and I were disappointed in the interior appointments. Already one of the ashtray drawers wasn't functioning. The armrest/console seemed straight out of a Taurus. The sunroof materials seemed flimsy. Way too much cheap plastic. Shifter was wobbly in the slot. We both agreed someone would be foolish to pay nearly $43,000 for a car that seemed like its interior was in the upper $20,000 range. The dealer also had about a dozen S-types. The interiors were much nicer. The prices of the 3.0 S-types were in the $46,000-48,000 range. While the trunk of the X-type is much bigger, the rear is cramped and the S-type just looked and felt more like a Jag. (Was surprised to see in the brochure the S-type 3.0 and 4.0 both ride on H-rated tires and are speed limited to 130 mph.)

    We also looked at Lexus IS300 and ES300. The $36,000 ES300's interior puts the X-type to shame. Talk about gorgeous look and feel. Think it is as nice as the Audi A6. IS300 too boy racer with a very utilitarian and rather pedestrian interior.
  • The ES3000 can't do something the 2.5 Jag can do: perform. The ES300, while a supple car, is a Camry with nice leather. Push a Jag with a 5 speed and performance package and you're in BMW eating territory. BTW, my test drive Jag was 35k 2.5 with the luxury and performance packages. Nice, nice car. Save for one major problem with its usability, I'd love one.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Also looked at ES300s over weekend and grabbed a brochure. Thought it interesting that the ES300 comes standard with V-rated tires. The brochure says it has a top speed of 140 mph. Surprised me to see the top speed of S-type at only 130 mph and all use H-rated tires. Jag dealer had no X-type brochures and I forgot to look closely at the tires. Don't know top speeds of X-types, 2.5L & 3.0L and Sport & non-Sport.

    If the interior fit, finish, feel, look, etc. of a $43,400 X-type doesn't seem to wife or I to be in same league as "lowly"ES300, don't see how the less expensive 2.5L X-type, esp. a close to $30,000 one, would make a better impression. The interior is just too Ford parts bin/Ford Europe Mondeo! Too bad.
  • Then the X-type's true attributes won't appeal to you. It's not some luxo-blvd-cruiser like an ES300. It's a sports-luxury sedan, not a luxury sedan. If you want to meander down a the Blvd, then go for the ES300. If want to a pin you to the seat, grab-on-to-the-handle ride, then go for the sublime handling found in an X-type. Two very differenct approaches to cars.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,001
    Interesting that the X-type's interior is being called "Ford parts-bin". That's exactly what they said about the S-type when it first came out. There were even comparisons to a Taurus. But now I hear folks raving about the S-type interior and how great it is. I think the known Mondeo linkage will prejudice folks at first but that tends to go away in time.
  • bmms8bmms8 Posts: 86
    do you guys know that over 20% of the camrys parts are on a es, ans over 40% are on the RX, also mondeo is a great handling car, and i dont even think the ride on the es is that great, i think a avalon is much btter.....also the top sped on jags or electronically limited, for certain govt reasons that i dont know of..
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Only full comparison test I've seen is in the latest issue of Motor Trend. Against Infiniti I-35, Lexus ES300, MB C320, & Volvo S60 2.4T. They tested a $43,695 MSRP 3.0 automatic. One of their what's NOT hot is downscale interior materials. I concur. Not worthy of a $45,000 Jag. Maybe a $30,000 European Ford Mondeo. The performance figures seem pretty ordinary. Second slowest 0-60 time, at 7.9 seconds, and second slowest 1/4 mile time, at 15.9 seconds (88.8 mph). Worst braking distance (60-0 mph), at 132 ft. Second worst slalom speed, at 61.3 mph. And the engine turned over at 2,500 RPMs at 60 mph, the highest of the group. Not to mention it had the worst EPA rating of 18/25. Not sure it offers either luxury or performance. Will be interesting to see more published test reports and comparisons. Until then, guess I can keep waiting for local Jag dealer to ever get one with a sticker even under $35,000.
  • t0st0s Posts: 3
    The MT numbers were a little surprising considering Road&Track's 6.5 sec for the manual (and European car mag's too). Either the car was a dud or the Auto/4WD does not make for a quick launch under brake-torquing. I have driven some of those cars in the test. The Lexus was horrible from a real-world performance standpoint. Can you say "torque steer"? Clearly if one is looking for an appliance it will work very well, but I don't think we can say sport and Lexus in the same sentence ;)
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    I'm not trying to defend the "lowly" ES300. But read the MT test report and it came off rather well. MT testers had lots of good things to say about its handling and ride. They like the Adaptive Variable Suspension. Described the Sport setting as taut and controlled handling for "spirited driving". One reviewer wrote "tasty to touch and drive". ES300 does come with V-rated tires and a 140 mph top speed. Not too shabby. Don't forget, these reviewers ended up loving the Volvo S60 2.4T!!! The much more powerful I-35 was criticized for its torque steer. But that is due to "too much" power. Would you rather it have the ES300's 210 HP instead of its 255 HP?
  • jonty12jonty12 Posts: 101
    tires on the sport are 225/45 Z. top speed limited to 130 mph (146 mph in europe)
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Having driven both...

    If you like the ES300 better... buy it! I drove an 02 ES and have driven the X type...

    There is a tremendous performance difference! The ES, to me, felt like every other dull-as-heck ES.

  • bmms8bmms8 Posts: 86
    what had better wind noise and road noise?????????
  • t0st0s Posts: 3
    SO, after much consideration, test drives and enduring naysayers I have a 3.0 that I love. So, now I say to all. YES this sedan is NOISY (like a sports car), has a CHEAP plastic console (now covered by after market wood trim - puts most interiors to shame), EXPENSIVE (a Camry is much cheaper), UNRELIABLE (no probs for 3 mos - feels as solid as a Merc), is a FORD (show me a prettier car in this range)......etc, etc. Don't buy one - I don't want to see any others on the road ;)
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    The Camry is quieter.

    But so is a Honda Odyssey :)
  • Hmmm, I must have driven a lemon 02 Camry SE because it had a tremendous amount of road noise and body flex. Every bump transmitted into the car with a groan from the metal. In the same area I pushed an X-Type far harder and didn't hear a peep. God that suspension is nice!
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    maybe because they don't run!

    I think there's more to a car than road noise, and Jaguars offer a pretty good package of performance and comfort. Of course no car is perfect, and the X-Type will have its flaws. Still, a Jaguar would be near the top of my list if money were no object. (Now if we could only get an XJR at X-Type prices!)

    Personally, I like to hear my engine/transmission/tires make all their noises. More than once I've found a problem on my car because something didn't sound right in the cockpit.

    Aside from that, if the car's too quiet it puts me to sleep.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Looked over two issues of Jaguar Magazine. Picked up issues 02, summer 01, and 03, fall 01, which I got at the local Jag dealer. Nice magazines. About 84 pages, full color, heavy glossy paper. But the articles and pictures are odd. Alternates between Cosmo/Maxim (somewhat scantily clad models and celebs, e.g., Janet Jackson with bare midriff on stage), In Style/Ocean Drive (e.g., fashions & profiles of trendy people) and Road & Track (stories about past and current Jags). Seems like kind of an odd demographic. Not sure who it is targeted to. Having Janet Jackson push Jags surprised me!
  • rayh3rayh3 Posts: 38
    I delivered the X-type to the winners of the Janet Jackson contest........thats another story for later when I have more time.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    So Rhythm Nation meets English foxhunting crowd? Please give us details some day!
  • I mean she has a pad in Rancho Santa Fe (San Diego suburb) and I'm right here in SD. Please? :)
  • rayh3rayh3 Posts: 38
    Mrs. contest winner came in to do the paperwork (won a 2 year free lease on an X-Type). She was very excited and happy as you would expect if you won an free car for two years. We schedule a delivery for later that evening when her husband can come in and sign his side of the paperwork. He comes in and is the polar opposite of Mrs. winner. He is grumpy and grumbling throught the whole transaction. One of the problems was that they did have to pay $1400 ( they knew this from the start and were expecting the charge) since the contest like every contest did not cover tax/license/doc/etc. He signs the paperwork with my really cool Jaguar pen. After the paperwork is completed I proceed to deliver and explain the features of the car. Mr. is rushing so I cut it short and prepare to send them on their way. I explain about the survey they will receive and ask if there is anything they feel they could not rate as excellent. Now Mr. winner essentially states I need to give him a Jaguar pen if I want to get a good survey response from them (did I mention this is a contest commission for me).

    I guess some people are just miserable.....I think I will survive one bad survey, I can't bring myself to buy a survey response even if it's only a lousy $25 pen.

    Oh, I forgot to mention that the contest was for a base model 2.5 with manual trans. Since there are NO base 5-speed X-Types around. We upgraded them to a car with prem package, premium sound, Xenon headlights, automatic transmission, and weather package for FREE.

    Wish me luck folks, last weekend of the month starts tomorrow and I need 3 more to hit the nice bonus!

    blueguydotcom if Janet Jackson shows, I'll let her know you're expecting her.
  • bwmbwm Posts: 11
    Hi Ray;
    How are X-Type sales going at your dealer? Have you sold out all of your stock and are into orders or do you have cars available?
  • rayh3rayh3 Posts: 38
    X-Type sales have been going real strong. Our store just opened this month and we were allocated 12 X-types. We were down to 2 this morning, but a load of 6 more showed up.....most should be gone before the weekend is up, although I do have my eye on one for myself. The Plat 3.0 5-sp with nav that showed up, if I can only convince the wife :)
  • bwmbwm Posts: 11
    If it is ok for you to answer this; What part of the country are you located in? It seems like there are such conflicting reports as to how the X-Type is selling when you read these boards. Many messages seem to state that the dealers are stocked and the cars aren't moving that well but then I go into my dealer and he says they are selling great and there is almost no negotiating on price. Maybe it depends on where you are?
    (You don't suppose my dealer is just telling me that as a negotiating ploy do you ? Just kidding)
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    From what I know...

    3.0s arent all that tough to get.

    2.5s are nearly impossible right now.

  • rayh3rayh3 Posts: 38
    Brentwood hit in right on the head. The hardest car to get is a base model 2.5. Our store is located in San Juan Capistrano, CA and we are doing well with both 3.0 and 2.5. Unfortunately a lot of people saw the initial advertising by Jaguar for the base car so everyone wants the 2.5 with no options. Hope this helps.
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