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Now if you want every possible factory installed option you could spend an extra $11,225, but that's another story.
orders for the X-Type because of the higher than expected prices. And
many of our European members are taking ownership within the next week
or so. I look forward to their feedback on Jagtalk.com ( http://www.Jagtalk.com )
Any word on lease financing for the X-type?
Without yet knowing any special financing, money back, or lease deals for the Jag, it is tough to make a true comparison at this point. I suspect Jaguar will have to get a bit aggressive in this area. But apart from that, unless I am losing my ability to price-compare using the manufacturers' web sites, it seems to me that a comparably equipped 330xi consistently runs about $1K more than the Jag.
So I mistrust some of the advance press on the Jag. "Automobile's" styling analysis also called the X-type "a mess" and criticized it, among other things, for being a pastiche of past Jag styling themes/motifs. Well, I don't see them criticizing BMW for incessantly doing much of the same thing.... they have yet to bemoan another version of the twin-kidney grille! Obviously, styling is pretty subjective, and I don't agree with every line and curve I see in the X-type, but I think most objective people would agree that it's a pretty credible styling exercise.
Posted by Tim D (Profile) on June 15, 2001 at 12:46:48:
I called my dealer today as their continual line that "your car could be here
any time from tomorrow until mid July" is pathetic, and indicative of a company
that is not in control....
I have been told (amazingly)
1. Jaguar have a problem with the company that will be transporting the cars
from the factory to the dealers, and the transport company is apparently
"holding some cars"
2. Production of the factory is behind - it is supposed to be producing 500 cars
a week, but is only producing 200
3. The workers are refusing to work Saturdays to increase production
4. The workers are refusing to work in the traditional two-week summer shut-down
5. They tried to call the factory to get an update. Apparently they can get
updates on the progress of S-type and other models because they "know people in
the production line area". As they don't "know anyone" on the X-type line at
Halewood, they can't find out progress.
I guess that this information is potentially sensitive. I write it here for
information purposes to JagTalk folks. If you must pass it on to others, please
don't attribute it directly to me - I don't have any desire to get the chap at
the dealership into trouble.
I think only "Top Gear" ranks BMW330iSE better than X-type 3.0 V6 Sport. BM wins for better handling, refinement and performance (6.3 Vs 7.1 in 0-60).
However, for those not-so hard core sports saloon fans, Jaguar is a more well balance, one of a kind car.
BTW May issue of "Car" magazine has a 64 pgs special report on the X-type.
The first thing that struck me about the car is how little it is. I know it is a compact car, but the pics make it look so much bigger. I think they tried to cram too much Jaguar cues into the car, and yet it still looks a little Mondeoish. That's not a bad thing, but different for jaguar.
The interior design is very nice, but the materials feel a little cheap. Nice soft touch surfaces, but the centre console is hard black plastic and the buttons are hard too. The leather was pitiful. It felt very fake, and when you tested the bolsters on the sport model, you could tell the foam is not going to last. That was what I am most dissapointed with. The wood is great and as I said, the design is nice.
All in all, I think it is going to be a home-run for jaguar. I don't know if it will steal too many customers from BMW and Audi, but definately from MB and the C-Class. We'll see~ A.R.
As far as size goes, the car is down to the inch almost the same siz einside as the 3 series except for the trunk which is 6 cubic feet larger.
Why not wait until you DRIVE an X-Type?
Leather, Moonroof, Sport Wheels, Zenons, Automatic(except the IS).
What is included? Cruise, Power windows, locks, etc.. The basics.
Does include leather and AWD in the X-Type unlike the base A4 2.8 and BMW 330i.
I have read magazine articles, done my best to keep up here, I guess there will be no FWD version of this car. But if Ford isn't going to sell this version of the Mondeo here, why not offer a FWD version, maybe for $25,995, to entice those who would normally buy a Sebring LXi or high-end Malibu/Alero? Might even turn some Accord EX/Camry XLE heads Jaguars's way? Want to steal more Passat sales? Hmm...
I can't wait to see the resale on these. If it's as bad as the older Jags, I might be able to afford one of these in 8-10 years...
Of course, the X-Type also has looks over the 325 (and most cars on the road). Oddly enough, the 325 is not available with that awesome chrome leaper. ;^)
When I was with a Jag dealer, I'd have no problem special ordering a car, I'd just ask for a deposit ahead of time.
As far as leather.. It is on the seating services. Same as the XJ8, XJR and XKs.
Only the VDP has a "full" leather interior.
But what was said about it by the Journalists when it first came out....do you remember?
-Honda Accord styling
-no fog lights
-4 speed-auto shifter when comp. was offering 5
-no side airbag, etc.
The next year...Acura did a total switch, added bags, better quality control, more powerful transmission, etc.
With all that criticism..The TL was selling like hot cakes. Then you had people trading in their 1 year old Tl's for the updated 2000 Tl.
My point: the X-type is gonna do the same and for those in doubt, sit out for a year or two and observe. Of course, I plan on purchasing in 2-3 years because I never buy the first year of a redesign/makeover because of past experience. I think car companies too often use that first year for customers to sniff out problems.
I bet ya..by 2004 they'll have a supercharged X-type with all type of goodies. Can't wait!!!!!
The G35 is a 2003 model and will appear in early 2002. If it does steal from the Jag I don't care because I sell both.
The X-Type on the other hand offers the same sort of world class performance and handleing with the advantage of AWD and the heratige of Jaguar. The Jag draws a slightly different buyer than the Infiniti. Just as the C-Class draws a slightly different buyer than the 3-series.
Time will tell.
Now..it wouldn't make any sense for Nissan to offer one engine in 3 different vechiles making the same exact horsepower. Where are you getting your info?
Sedans and Women's Auto Center Message Boards
fully loaded ones. However, many people like myself
and dozens of others on the Jagtalk.com board may
be reconsidering getting the 3.0 because it comes
with a $6000 premium over the 2.5, and according to one
of the members at http://www.Jagtalk.com who is in
the UK and now actually owns one, there may not be
a need for the 3.0 because the 2.5 has plenty of pick-up.
Buyers may be able to get some of the canceled cars.
But not out of a new launch of the X type. Expect pricing to be on par with engine size...not engine popularity just yet!
Don't forget that Ford is suppose to release a new 2004 Lincoln LS and a "Baby LS" , plus Mazda will release the 2003 RX-Evolv(sedan) and RX-7(coupe) which will be Mazda answer to the 3-series plus the Nissan Z. So that makes the X-type, Baby LS, RX-7, and RX-Evolv as 3-series fighters and the full-size LS as a 5-series fighter(kinda).
Given the unique looks (super low-profile, no B-pillar and backward opening rear doors), comfortable seating for 4, and an engine that revs to 9000 RPMS or more (the Rx-7 rotaries are the sweetest sounding engines on the roda, IMHO), this will be one serious competitor and should bring Mazda back into the fold of sport-luxury car-makers! I can't wait! Oh, and imagine modifying it with turbo or supercharger (not my cup of tea, but people will want to do this, given the availability of lots of modes for the rotaries in the RX-7)!
That said, I went out and picked up a brochure for the Jag X-Type today, and it looks impressive! Although most of the goodies are packaged together forcing large add-on prices! Will go out and test-drive it when the local dealership gets their demos (in a couple of weeks, they expect)