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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's a jacked up 2+2 hatchback.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    If the Juke were a GM car I think its styling would be ridiculed in a similar manner as the Aztek's was.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    The difference is I doubt Nissan expects the juke to sell in big numbers. I think GM thought the Aztec was going to sell like 100k/yr.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I ridicule the Juke every chance I get. Boy is that thing ugly! :D

    Jeep just had to go and steal its thunder, though.

    The Aztek reigned as King of Ugly for a long time, so Nissan got lucky that Jeep rescued them.
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    If the Juke were a GM car I think its styling would be ridiculed in a similar manner as the Aztek's was.

    No, you would need to add 250 pounds of plastic cladding to the Juke to make them comparable. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I told you a million times, don't exaggerate! ;)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,093
    To my eyes--and I'm not saying this to be funny/mean--the Juke, to my eyes, looks like a physically deformed animal. I can say a lot of negative about the Aztek, but I reserve the 'physically deformed animal' comment for the Juke.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Didn't Lutz call the Aztek an "angry kitchen appliance"?

    Split headlights don't work. When you see a car head on, that's the face, so we expect to see a pair of eyeballs.

    When you have lights up high, middle, and low, it really throws you off. Makes the front look busy.

    Let me see if this will embed...

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    URL if you can't see it:

    http://i12.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/10/bb/729c_35.JPG
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,136
    New Acura flagship?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I guess that's the new term for ugly:

    http://wardsauto.com/auto-makers/very-contemporary-cherokee-design-part-jeep-s-e- volution
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,136
    I can see a link going back to the 1993 model anyway.

    Lots of iffy design work on the roads today, so I guess it is "contemporary".
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited February 2013
    Agree, Spot on!

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    Thing about the Juke is at least it's somewhat cohesive. The Azwreck was just a big ol mishmash of designs and it just looked tacked together IMO

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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    IMO, this thing wasn't much better from some angles...

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    Those taillights are probably taller than the rooflines of some sedans back then. "Baby got Back"... :shades:
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    You say "ugly"; I say "unique".

    In a world of bland, wind tunnel driven designs, the Juke stands out. You certainly won't lose it in a parking lot, unlike some MB owners who need an app on their smart phone to find their car.

    The wife really likes them; she's not a fan of the sedan style and likes to have either a wagon or hatch - she currently drives a Mazda CX-7.

    I've test driven one (FWD with stick shift). Pretty quick and nimble.
  • greg128greg128 Member Posts: 529
    I have noticed in the past some evidence of negative bias in Edmunds reviews of some GM cars, notably how Pontiac Solstice had a "reputation for poor reliability" which was not born out by their own reliability ratings of the same model.

    I also just noticed the Buick Verano review had "mediocre base engine" under "cons". In the review the base engine had a 0-60 time of 9 seconds which they said was "slow for this class"

    However their review of the Acura ILX had the same 0-60 time of 9 seconds which it said was "average" and had no mention of the lack of power in the "cons" section.

    Incidentally, the optional engine in the Verano does 0-60 in 6.6. secs vs. 7.1 secs. for the optional Acura engine.

    How about a little objectivity, Edmunds.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I rather like the Juke too.

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  • hoosiergrandadhoosiergrandad Member Posts: 96
    Me too on the Juke. But what do I know? I'm on my second Crosstour......at least it shares in the powertrain revisions of the new Accords. We all have things we like the looks of that others can't stand, even if we're 500 grand-a-year automotive designers.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited March 2013
    maybe they were referring to mileage when they claimed it as mediocre?

    The Base ILX with it's 2.0 litre engine is rated at 24/35 while the small Buick is rated at a marginal 21/32. btw, a 2013 Honda Accord with a V6 is rated at 21/34...

    Also, while I have never driven an ILX, I have driven the 2.0 litre in other Honda applications and in typical fashion it loves to rev and sounds great doing so. I've had numerous Rentibus with the 2.4 and while it's gutsy off the line, it gets raspy at higher RPM's. Not a fun engine to wind out at all...

    The Buick's 6-speed is commendable tho, and I hope the ILX matches it in the future , although I forsee the CVT making an appearance instead.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Edmunds' list of Cons for the ILX is pretty long:

    Cons

    Options quickly make the ILX's price less appealing; smallish trunk; no automatic transmission or top-end features for sport-oriented 2.4L model.

    Maybe they ran out of room. :D
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited March 2013
    Sure, those are legitimate deficiencies. The ILX was not a good effort by Honda.

    But Gregs claims of Questionable "Objectivity" on the part of the Edmunds staff is IMO, exaggerated, if not completely false. ;)
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Wow, the Fusion essentially matched the Accord in February 27,875 vs. 27,999 (granted the Fusion has much higher fleet sales). Regardless, the Fusion had a great month. Malibu lagging big time. Only 14,817 which is actually a drop from January and a drop of 5k units from last Feb.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=62EB257CB130180474693B1944C8- A74D?&id=13931&mid=2

    Best Feb in 5 years!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/201- 3/Mar/gmsales.html

    With Caddy up 20%, too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=37718

    Fusion and Escape both set Feb records.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Escape moved 24,110. Equinox/Terrain had a good month to with about 30k combined 20,649/9,802. The CRV as sold 20,668.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Man, that's a whole lotta Escapes! Wow.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,093
    I swear that someone said here only a few weeks ago, that they were having trouble moving Equinoxes. ;)
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  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited March 2013
    I bet GM just threw a bunch of money on the hood;)

    Looking at the sales, it looks like Equinox sales have been solid, there were a few months that were down, but the last 3 have been pretty good.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    GM hood money looks a bit down for February. Still has the highest average "of the majors".

    Fuel-Efficient Vehicles Run Short on Incentives in February
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Honda stand out, wow. Build it and they will come even with $300 less incentives per car.

    Hopefully other conclude cost cutting does not pay.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    edited March 2013
    I get this in my email monthly. Interesting to see all the numbers.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited March 2013
    Subaru finally broke their very very long win streak.

    Edit: no, spoke too soon. US sales were up 11% which more than makes up for the tiny drop in Canada.

    So their roll continues.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    It's interesting to see how few cars Jaguar or smart sells, and this is Canada wide. :surprise:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,136
    I wonder if the MB lag is from delayed purchases from those holding out for the facelift E and new S.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,507
    they are doing so good, they are looking for bigger digs, and could be moving out of their headquaters in cherry hill. Hopefully they stay local.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    MB is still outselling BMW but maybe people are waiting for the new E Class and new S Class.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,136
    I am sure people holding off on the E helped me get a good deal on my new car. I've also read that the S is leasing as cheap as the LS - although it costs a bit more.

    Hey, I helped the US auto market ...maybe not a US automaker (although they do have US operations), but the dealer still puts something into the economy.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Hey, I helped the US auto market ...maybe not a US automaker (although they do have US operations), but the dealer still puts something into the economy.

    Same for my Honda, Mazda and Kia! :shades:

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    OW
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, and hopefully they find an HQ near by with enough room.

    If they do move I bet it would be towards Philly.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,093
    Escape moved 24,110. Equinox/Terrain had a good month to with about 30k combined 20,649/9,802. The CRV as sold 20,668.

    GM leads in this market...and comfortably.
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I just had a new escape rental. There seem to be a lot of them just like Equinox. Anyway, it seemed well built and drove fine, but not better than a less expensive CRV. However, it just felt cramped and narrow to me - maybe just my build. Personally, I think the Equinox is a nicer highway cruiser.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,093
    I gotta say, even though I'm a GM guy, I just do not like the looks of the Equinox. I like the Terrain better. I didn't like the looks of the new Escape at first, but it's grown on me. I've spent a couple hours riding in one and have driven one probably fifteen or twenty miles. It drove fine I thought although seems like a fair amount of road noise, which seems more commonplace in cars today than even a few years ago IMHO.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,507
    Well, if they go 3 miles or so west they will be in philly, so gonna be hard!

    I expect they stay in Jersey though. They also have a couple of other facilities in the area and I believe they are looking to consolidate somewhat.

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  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited March 2013
    It drove fine I thought although seems like a fair amount of road noise, which seems more commonplace in cars today than even a few years ago IMHO.

    That's certainly been the case with the last two cars my wife has had. My Expedition has less road noise than my wife's Taurus, It's not even close really. The only difference is the Taurus has less wind noise at highway speeds. But road isolation between the two are night and day.

    Also, I find the ride in the Taurus overly firm and busy. Ironically, I prefer how the Expedition rides and drives in most situations. It's even easier to park since the turning radius is 40' for the Expedition vs. 42' for the Taurus and I can actually see out of the Expedition.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    February was an interesting month for midsize car sales.

    Camry 31,270
    Accord 27,999
    Fusion 27,875
    Altima 27,725
    Sonata 16,007
    Impala 15,424
    Malibu 14,817
    Optima 13,195
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Shows you how newer designs can mean big sales numbers. Sonata is due soon.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not the source, but here are sales by segment:

    Verano 4,171 +147.1%
    ILX 1,997; hybrid 154
    CT 1,182 -25%
    A3 392 -16.4%

    Buick ain't doing so bad. More than 10 times the number of A3s sold, but that's the old A3.

    IS 1,532 -23.8%
    Regal 1,474 -44.1%
    TSX 1,358 -58.1%; wagon 214 -41.3%

    Pretty even fight. Some would put the IS with the class below.

    Cclass 7,302 +39.4%
    3series 6,973 -13.9%
    ES 4,817 +67.4%
    G 3,670 -15.3%; coupe 859 -26.6%
    LaCrosse 3,667 -29.9%
    ATS 3,382
    A4 2,635 -3.1%
    CTS 2,566 -43.9%
    TL 2,216 -28.1%
    A5 1,173 -4.8%
    MKZ 945 -62%

    The 2 Caddys combined would be in 3rd place.

    5series 4,248 +5.1%
    Eclass 4,211 +0.1%
    XTS 2,169
    A6 1,370 +40.9%
    GS 1,108 -51.8%
    MKS 922 +7.6%
    M 514 -55.3%
    RLX 16
    RL 11 -59.1%

    RLX has not really ramped up yet, and RL is out of production so those were left overs. Infiniti M is invisible.

    Sclass 923 +16.4%
    LS 803 +61.8%
    7series 709 -36.9%
    A8 395 +22.3%

    Pretty balanced. People like the LS face lift.

    RX 6,938 +24.8%
    SRX 4,108 -17.6%
    RDX 2,795 +189.1%
    Q5 2,753 +57%
    GLK 2,420 +48.5%
    X3 2,175 -23.2%
    FX 595 -46.3%
    EX 150 -52.2%

    RX dominates, beating the next 2 combined. I would maybe categorize it in the group below, especially since Lexus will launch a smaller crossover soon. It would still win its class.

    Enclave 5,241 +25.8%
    X5 3,931 21.9%
    MDX 2,946 -14.4%
    Mclass 2,733 -19.8%
    JX 2,300
    MKX 1,883 -13.1%
    Q7 920 +146.6%
    GX 628 -6.9%

    JX is one of the few Infinitis to do well.

    X6 474 -5.6%
    ZDX 25 -53.5%

    Why bother, Acura?

    500 3,302 +2%
    Spark 2,836
    Cooper 1,986 -18.2%
    Smart 783 +1.8%
    iQ 331 -60.1%

    Wonder how many of those are Smart EVs?

    Versa 13,100 +28.6%
    Sonic 6,025 -23.7%
    Fiesta 5,015 -9.1%
    Accent 4,750
    Fit 3,775 -7%; EV 15
    Rio 3,339
    Yaris 2,045 -41%
    2 1,028 -61.9%

    Cheapest car sells well here. HyunKia gets a lot from one platform (Veloster as well).

    Corolla 24,999 +17.6%
    Civic 22,713 -12.7%; Hybrid 433 -39.1%
    Focus 20,808 -10.9%
    Cruze 17,947 -12.1%
    Elantra 16,219
    Jetta 11,968 -6.8%
    Mazda3 10,554 -6.4%
    Sentra 10,058 -5.2%
    Dart 7,720
    Forte 5,003
    Impreza 4,515 -28.7%
    Golf 3,020 +9.7%

    Toyota is getting a lot of mileage from an old design. I bet they'd like higher transaction prices, though. Golf is due for replacement.

    Camry 31,270 -5.7%
    Accord 27,999 +40.9%; PHEV 17
    Fusion 27,875 +28%
    Altima 27,725 -15.9%
    Sonata 16,007
    Malibu 14,817 -25.9%
    Optima 13,195
    200 11,446 +18%
    Avenger 9,980 +52%
    Passat 7,532 -8%
    Legacy 3,745 +3.60%
    Mazda6 2,702 -47%

    Impala 15,424 +.06%
    Charger 10,301 +41%
    Avalon 5,703 +69.9%
    Taurus 5,047 +16.6%
    300 5,023 -35%
    Maxima 4,927 -25.3%
    Azera 795

    Are those new or old Impalas, or a mix of both? Azera is invisible.

    Camaro 6,171 -10.9%
    Mustang 6,024 -18.1%
    Challanger 4,911 +34%
    Genesis coupe 2,517
    FR-S 1,369
    BRZ 420
    370z 378 -31.6%
    Miata 347 -20%

    Surprising how high volume those muscle cars are.

    Prius 17,812 -9.9%
    C-MAX 3,183
    Volt 1,626 +58.9%
    LEAF 653 +36.6%
    Insight 388 -47.7%
    CR-Z 381 -14.8%
    i-MiEv 337

    Prius seems to outsell all the others combined. About 3 times as many. Volt still picking up, though.

    Juke 2,829 -4%
    Veloster 1,905

    We wonder why they build these yet the Juke outsells the FR-S 2 to 1!

    Soul 9,551
    Cube 622 -9/5%
    xD 596 -24.1%

    Hamster win, others fail.

    Outback 9,016 +2.9%
    Venza 3,745 +46.1%
    CrossTour 1,234 +20.1%

    In order of attractiveness.

    Escape 24,110 +29.2%
    CR-V 20,668 -13%
    Equinox 20,649 +15.7%
    Rav4 13,329 +9.5%
    Rogue 9,964 -25.8%
    Journey 7,530 +21%
    Patriot 6,329 +24%
    Forester 5,529 -.7%
    CX-5 5,451 +1,426.9%
    Compass 3,776 +36%
    Tucson 3,444
    Tiguan 2,533 +11.1%
    Sportage 2,334
    Outlander Sport 1,644

    I can't believe they sell that many Rogues.

    Explorer 16,586 +58.9%
    Edge 9,683 -8.1%
    Pilot 9,614 +12.8%
    Grand Cherokee 9,439 -26%
    HighLander 9,310 +18.9%
    PathFinder 7,014 +145.8%
    Traverse 8,698 +9.2%
    Sorento 7,945
    Durango 4,749 +38%
    Murano 3,987 -21%
    CX-9 2,594 +27.8%
    Toureg 835 +15.6%
    Tribeca 194 +9.6%
    Veracruz 65

    Holy Explorer, Bat Man. Pathfinder sales up 146% with the unibody. Told you so!

    Caravan 10,415 -18%
    Sienna 9,209 +25.3%
    Town & Countr 8,614 -10%
    Odyssey 8,550 -6.9%
    mazda5 2,260 +48.8%
    Flex 1,662 -17.4%
    Quest 1,131 -6.2%
    Routan 424 -35.7%
    Sedona 138

    Dodge back at the top, I'm surprised Honda has slid so much. Kia needs to do a new minivan. We'll probably get a 7th crossover first. :sick:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,136
    Are these February or YTD sales? Are the percentage differences from previous month or year?

    I am surprised that the MB sedans are faring so well, as they are all aging designs. And GS down 51.8? Yikes. Volt is holding its own.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited March 2013
    Guess the Odyssey's looks are too jarring, although the rest of the bunch are down too, except the Sienna and the "compact" Mazda5
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited March 2013
    Those are February sales from what I can tell.

    I saw an Acura ILX on the road for the first time today. I will say it looks better in person.
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