Mazda Protegé

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  • alternatoralternator Member Posts: 629
    Spring might be a good time to consider coolant replacement. The best article I've ever seen for doing it yourself can be found here:


    http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_care_sat/1997/10/flush_cooling_system/print.phtml


    If you're not planning to do this just now, save reference anyway for later.

  • yooper53yooper53 Member Posts: 286
    I bought a pair of Rhino ramps this winter just to change oil but won't do it til its warmer. Let me know how much of a hassle it is. Thanks in advance.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Had that happen to me too. There are others that have mnentionned this on other boards. Take it to Mazda and let us know what your dealer said. I will take mine in about 2-3 weeks.

    Dinu
  • snagy1snagy1 Member Posts: 55
    took my pro lx in for 15,000 service and was informed to follow schedule 2 and not 1 (like i was doing) they said 1 should never be followed in ohio. any info from you folks?
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    I'm at about 1650 on my odometer on my LX. On the car though, there's a little sticky that the dealer put on saying to schedule maintencence around 3000 miles or 3 months. 3 months is due in a month. seeing that it took me 2 months to get to 1650, it doesn't seem likely that I will convenienly get to 3000 right around 3 months. As for the car, everything seems good. All the fluids are at the same level as when I took delivery, except for windsheild wiper fluid (which I used, and refilled). the motor oil is starting to discolor though. It was once a caramel brown, and is now almost a coffee brown.

    When I take it in for servicing, I intend to replace the oil with synthetic. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the space (public garage and all, therefore verboten) to do so. Should I purchase the synthetic and have them install it, or should I have them get it?
  • curt3curt3 Member Posts: 101
    Jamh--a wise choice of cars!
    As some previous posters have said, the Protege is one of the few cars that encourage its owner to make what others would deem useless trips. All of the sudden getting a gallon of milk at Wal-Mart will not be so much of a drag. At 30 mpg it is not so painful to drive around actually comparing gas prices.

    Alternator, you are quite the pro using plastic ramps to change your oil. I typically drive my car at an angle onto a curb to get to the drain plug. Maybe investing in a pair of ramps is no longer a pipe dream being that our new home actually has a garage. Maybe I can justify a "useless" trip in my Protege to make the leap for the ramps. You did answer my question, by the way.
  • curt3curt3 Member Posts: 101
    It is not all that bad of an idea to change your oil every 5,000 miles instead of 3,000 unless you are delivering mail or pizza. As long as you can document your oil changes within the parameters described in your owner's manual (every 7,500 miles on the 2000 models) you should be just fine. 5,000 miles is nowhere near the factory recommended mileage but at the same time, it is not so contrary to what we are told by the quick lube places.

    You may also consider sticking to natural instead of synthetic oil unless you live in an extremely cold climate. Some recent research done by Consumer's Reports contends that synthetic oil really is not worth the extra expense provided that you keep your oil clean. Just a thought...
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    Well, I live in NYC, which ob(li)vously means lots of stop and go traffic, even on highways. I don't use the darned beast every day, maybe one or two days a week, alternating between 2-3 mile trips and 120 mile trips.

    FWIH, The CR thingie you refer to uses NYC taxicabs as the basis of comparison. Are we talking abt the same report? AFAIK, regarding NYC cabs (I do live there, and so know a little about it), they don't really turn off the car much, except at night, and then do long stop and go hours on it, none of which really revs the engine much (which is what causes breakdown in oil).

    I'm thinking about a 5w30, due to the occasionally odd NYC winter weather (wasn't bad this year, but we had an unusually warm winter). Is my thinking wrong? I kinda remember that the manual states 5w30 for cold months and 10w30 for warm months.
  • alternatoralternator Member Posts: 629
    I particularly like the Rhino ramps because they don't elevate the car quite as high as those metal ramps and they are somewhat wider (makes driving up on them easier and less scary).

    A trick I just read somewhere on the web is to loosen oil filter with filter wrench, take a thin-sided empty plastic bottle slightly larger in diameter and longer than the filter, cut off its bottom, invert and (with cap still on bottle) place on filter, squeeze and turn filter until filter (and remaining oil) drops into bottle. Then you can just toss the bottle and filter, and screw on new filter. Haven't tried this yet, but it seems reasonable.

    In any case, the oil filter on the Pro 2.0 L engine is so located that it doesn't have much under it to drip oil down onto.
  • jamhjamh Member Posts: 11
    Hi, earlier for the first time I drove my new ES at night. I was pleasently surprised by the red illuminations on the dash and where the cd player is. It looks really cool, I thought, although my girlfriend said that it doesn't look normal. It is too Red for her. I like it anyway. I haven't drove any car with this kind of red illuminations before, never seen them on my friends' cars either. It just makes me wanting to drive it at night more often too : )
  • yooper53yooper53 Member Posts: 286
    Thanks for the plastic bottle tip. Sounds like it should work fine. I've marked your post.

    Tell your girl friend that for many decades aircraft instruments were (very many still are)illuminated red for the reason that red preserves night vision better than any other color. This is especially important when trying to keep an eye out for bambi. I should know. I've hit 3 deer, all of them at night. :o)
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    You didn't get a reply to your question about signing an "offer". In the states, if you sign a written offer made by a dealer you are obligated to buy the car. It will stand up in court. But some dealers will not press it if you change your mind. It may get sticky, think court, if you rejected the offer because another dealer made a better one.

    So, don't sign anything unless you are aboslutely certain.

    fowler3
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    I remember the Messerschmit car in the 1950's. Saw many of them in Germany when new cars weren't available and affordable for most Germans. Their main transpertation, at that time, were bicycles and motorcycles or the city bus. Neither were they above walking from one village to the next.

    Mitsubishi also designed a tandem-seat car and exhibited it at the 1993 Frankfurt Auto Show. Advertised as getting 85mpg. The VW 1-liter car beats that with 240 miles to one gallon. Wish they had painted it something other than black, it looks like a big charcoal grill on wheels.

    fowler3
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    Check out these three pages on the same web site. For economy the Audi A2 may be a better choice if you like some performance. Better performance is the Audi A3, and for something entirely different don't miss the Steppenwolf!


    http://www.autointell.com/european_companies/volkswagen/audi-ag/audiag1112.htm


    fowler3

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Thanks for the info. I had a "chat" with some car dealers in another section on TH. Got my answer there too...thanks though!
  • jbolltjbollt Member Posts: 736
    Anyone here? LOL Guess everyone is zoom zooming on their way to work. Quick question..does anyone know if Mazda's roadside assistance program is a complete replacement for AAA towing, other than the travel planning, maps. In other words, does it provide towing for ANY eventuality? (Don't want to mention the crunch word)
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    I don't think anybody has used the service so far.

    Call them and ask: 1-800-866-1998

    fowler3
  • jbolltjbollt Member Posts: 736
    Thanks...called, and they said only mechanical breakdowns..."insurable loss" would be covered by the ins. company. I question, because of the recent purchase of the 2002 LX by my daughter, who was previously covered by my AAA membership while living here in town near me. Now that she is in Michigan, I wonder if she ought to have AAA as well.

    Also, did anyone see her question on Saturday about the sensitivity of her Mazda alarm?

    Thanks
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I have both AMA (equiv to your AAA) and the Mazda roadside assistance. IF my car were to break down, I still think I would call AMA over Mazda's roadside assistance. Main reason being that I don't know what kind of network Mazda uses, whereas I know that AMA's people are used all the time and are dependable.

    Acutally, I believe Vocus had to use Mazda's roadside assistance once. I should say he called them to come, but he ended up getting a boost from a passerby.

    Vocus, can you provide a little more detail?
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I don't have the alarm so I can't comment on the sensitivity. I know that some friends who have other cars (ie 96 Camry) had aftermarket alarms installed, and when a plane flies overhead, it sets their alarms off.

    IMO, alarm systems these days are nearly useless. Most people just ignore them when they hear the loud wailing, and they are more of an annoyance than anything now.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Half a day to answer my e-mail this morning?

    You don't care about me anymore. Don't play these little love games with me, "snookums!" There's someone else, isn't there? Tell me! I'm a big guy, I can take it!!!

    ;-)

    Meade (Yeah, THAT one)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Some auto mfr's roadside assistance plans actually contract AAA's service.
  • jbolltjbollt Member Posts: 736
    I almost agree with you on the uselessness of the alarms, (there is at least an insurance $ savings with it) but her car came equiped with it, and it seems that it is not defeatable, if one uses the remote to lock the car, and with it being so sensitive, it goes off several times a night in her apt complex parking lot...just with loud exhausts driving by. (How's that for a run-on sentence?)
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    So if you lock the car using the keyless entry Fob, then it also arms the alarm? Sounds like you're right about it not being defeatable. I really don't know what alternatives there would be...maybe disabling the sensors somehow...I'm not sure :(
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Does this factory alarm arm if you lock the doors using the power lock switch in the door instead of the fob?

    If this alarm is really as sensitive as it sounds, then it would surprise me if Mazda designed it to be that way. I suppose it is possible, but it would seem more probable that, again if it really is so hyper-sensitive, an alarm sensor(s) is not functioning properly. Seems like a good service department, even if they can't adjust the sensitivity, should be able to determine wether or not a sensor is functioning properly (not triggering at too small a shock, etc.).
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    (reposted from the weekend)
    I'm at about 1650 on my odometer on my LX. On the car though, there's a little sticky that the dealer put on saying to schedule maintencence around 3000 miles or 3 months. 3 months is due in a month. seeing that it took me 2 months to get to 1650, it doesn't seem likely that I will convenienly get to 3000 right around 3 months. As for the car, everything seems good. All the fluids are at the same level as when I took delivery, except for windsheild wiper fluid (which I used, and refilled). the motor oil is starting to discolor though. It was once a caramel brown, and is now almost a coffee brown.
    When I take it in for servicing, I intend to replace the oil with synthetic. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the space (public garage and all, therefore verboten) to do so. Should I purchase the synthetic and have them install it, or should I have them get it?
    I live in NYC, which ob(li)vously means lots of stop and go traffic, even on highways. I don't use the darned beast every day, maybe one or two days a week, alternating between 2-3 mile trips and 120 mile trips.
    I'm thinking about a 5w30, due to the occasionally odd NYC winter weather (wasn't bad this year, but we had an unusually warm winter). Is my thinking wrong? I kinda remember that the manual states 5w30 for cold months and 10w30 for warm months.
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    I am not sure as to whether that happens or not, in that even when I have attempted to try, my wife uses the fob anyway.

    I do know that if you disarm the alarm and then end up not opening the door within a minute or so, it resets the alarm to the on Position. Found that out when we disarmed the alarm and then opened the trunk. about a minute later, the doors locked and the alarm switched on.
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    I think it might be possible to defeat (or at least bypass)the alarm. It seems the trunk is not alarm sensored. as a result, it is possible to break into the car through the trunk. Of course there is a way to prevent the folding seats from folding......
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Get the synthetic yourself and have them deduct the material charge for oil (typ. $1 or so a quart). They'd overcharge you for the synthetic.
  • sarahnbuasarahnbua Member Posts: 7
    Actually, the trunk is a "protected entrance", as it's worded in the user's manual. I didn't know that about it re-arming itself, though. That's good to know. It's just so frustrating that I have this awesome new car . . . and the darn alarm keeps going off!! Argh!! And I wanna be able to use my keyless entry . . . that was one of the perks. Oh well . . . guess I'll just have to accept that it's gonna go off, huh?
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I don't think you HAVE to accept it. There has to be an option somewhere! Sorry I can't help since I don't have the alarm and don't know much about that particular system :(

    I love keyless entry! Such a great device. If you don't have the alarm, the keyless system also locks itself after about 30 seconds if you press the unlock button and don't open a door.
  • curt3curt3 Member Posts: 101
    number42--you remembered correctly...the CR report was with NYC cabs. If I remeber correctly the writers did see some benefit with synthetic's ability to keep the engine lubricated after sitting up and then being restarted--in frigid climates at least. Wasn't this one of the selling points of Slick 50? I am not sure what became of this product, but I do remember putting it my Protege back in 2000. The price was much lower than usual and it came with a Slick 50 pocket watch.
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    I've been loooking at the dino v synthetic forum lately. Apparently slick50 is in trouble with the FTC for bogus claims.

    as luck would happen, on my way home from work yesterday, i say a cab double-parked and stopped, with the cabbie reading the paper, even then the cab was running (and no, they aren't protege's but crown vics)
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Mazda Road Assist. is through CAA. Someone that shall remain nameless locked her keys in the car with the car running soon after we got it. The guys from CAA showed up. They are contracted by Mazda Canada. They showed up really quickly.
    Dinu
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I just got back from a drive (I didn't have anywhere to go, I just wanted to drive) and I cannot believe how well this car (01 ES) handles for $15,300. Having owned an Integra and a Prelude, I have to say that this car is unbelievable. I took the northbound 169 to westbound 394 cloverleaf and didn't slow down. I could feel drivers side rear squat down and the TTL kick in. With the seatbelt tensioner locking me in tight, I tore that cloverleaf up. At the limit, it feels like this car is pulling some serious Gs. Mazda really knows how to tune a suspension. I guess I shouldn't have expected less from the company that brought us the RX7 and Miata. BTW, I just turned 17,000 tonight; I just can't stop driving the damn thing.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    "Mazda really knows how to tune a suspension."
    by newcar31


    I agree with you, 100%!!!

    -Larry
  • curt3curt3 Member Posts: 101
    Number42, it's funny that you mention cabs and Proteges in the same sentence. My wife's side of the family lives in Panama, Central America and over there I noticed some of the cabbies driving Mazda 323s which were virtually identical to our Proteges. The big difference was the price. A new 323 can be had in Central America for just under $ 8,000. I will be heading back there this July so I have to take some pictures of these cars decked out with the taxi regalia. It would be tempting to bring a foreign-spec 323 back to the States but I imagine that it would be very costly to beef up the bumpers, the emission system, and the lack of (standard) airbags might push the price up well above a new one here in the States.

    As far as Slick 50 is concerned, I always wondered how the heck the engineers were able to claim that the stuff bonded to the engine even after several oil changes...
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    My aunt and uncle just sold one of their old Proteges with monster mileage on it for $1000. Power windows no longer worked, but sunroof and AC did.

    Guys who bought it were going to ship it to Puerto Rico the next day so that it could become a cab. Wanted to know if my relatives had any other Proteges they wanted to sell.

    My aunt says same thing happened with the 929 they got rid of several years back.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    ... but since many of us "old-timers" on the Town Hall remember the debate between the Protege and Daewoo owners last year, and one of the biggest subjects of those debates was Daewoo's future in America, some of you may be interested in this:


    http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0204/30/b01-477537.htm


    Rest in Peace, Daewoo Motor America.


    Meade

  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    ... washing the Protege yesterday. Finally got all those damned oak seed pods and pollen off the car and its deep Emerald Mica is shiny and clean again. Now for an even bigger challenge, it's now the Pure White P5's turn ...

    Meade

    P.S. Eighteen days to MAPP III!!!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    The Pro just squats and digs into the turns. Others wallow through when pushed similarly. I do have to admit that the tippier vehicles give similar thrills at lower Gs (and speeds) though.

    Ah well, you see the difference the Pro's suspension makes when auto testers take them through the slalom or emergency lane change manuever. The Pro consistently goes through at a few higher mph's than most vehicles in its class. The Motorweek review of the Pro showed it head-on during its slalom test. It looked very tight and controlled, with very little plowing typical of FWD vehicles. The new Corolla looks almost as good (almost). The Civic and Focus looked very tippy and floaty to me when they went through the same course.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I have friends who own MR2s, Civic Sis and Integras and when they ride with me, it doesn't take long to get them screaming "HOLY CRAP!!". Those "HOLY CRAP!!" handles above the passenger doors get a lot of use in my car. I think that says a lot about the Protege's capabilities.
  • number42number42 Member Posts: 67
    My mother-in-law recently came to visit my wife and I. One of the things she commented about my '02 LX is that the suspension is rather hard, like some of the low-end Protons she's had back home. Problem was really the (jokingly) fine NYC and Long Island Roads here, that seem to feel better the faster we drive. that in mind, we've had to do some emergency maneuvers (fallen trees and potholes). My LX managed them nicely, and even my wife commented as to the lack of roll. I replied that it has something to do with the stiff suspension. At that point, my wife 'got it'
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Why doesn't the driver get one?

    Meade
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The driver has one in my car. A friend of mine just said that he didn't understand why there is one for the driver in my car. I thought it to be weird too, but there is one for the driver.

    I told him maybe it was so when they made left- and right-hand drive versions of my car, they wouldn't have to worry about what side to put the grab handle on. That couldn't be right, or almost all cars out there would have grab handles on both sides. Anybody else got a reasonable explanation?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I went to use Mazda's roadside assistance once, but they told me it would take them extra time to get to me because I was in a underground parking structure. I was lucky enough to have someone with jumper cables to start my car within 30 mintues. They were pretty nice on the phone to me though.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Driver safety. They want you to keep both hands on the wheel. Many cars (I haven't looked in my Protege) have caps in the ceiling covering the holes where the handle attaches for the right-hand-drive version. Hmmm, if the Protege has them, maybe I could buy a handle and put it there ...

    I really like the placement of the handles on the A-pillars in some cars like Preludes and some SUVs. Those are really nice.

    Meade

    P.S. Paul, any news on your MAPP attendance plans?
  • rbrooks3rbrooks3 Member Posts: 174
    When I changed the oil over the weekend, I could not believe the size of the oil filter. Can you say shot glass? I have never seen one so small. I know that most 2.0 liter and smaller engines use commensurately smaller filter sizes, but there are engines from 1.8 liters to over 2 liters that have the same oil capacity but use greatly different sized filters. There is no way the oil filter holds much more than 8 ounces of fluid.

    I've read where some people state a filer needs some mileage so that as it gets partially blocked, it actually filters better. I personally don't know if tha's true or not. All I know is that I have never seen a filter this small on engines that were even smaller than this one. The shop did not have a larger 2 stage filter but I will keep my eye out for them. There's no way I'm ever going over 3,000 before a filter and oil change. Many people say this, but reality is there's usually a bit of a fudge factor involved. Every 3,000 usually means you've never really gone much over 4,000 before you actually changed it. I will be making every effort to really stick to the 3,000 maximum limit.

    Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I really could not believe how small the filter was.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    It was the same on my '92 LX, and is the same on my 2000 ES. Tiny. But it does the job! Maybe Mazda knows something we don't!

    BTW, it was really a shock coming from a Mazda-built-by-Ford B2300 pickup, which used Motorcraft's FL-1A filter, which is one of the biggest made for a passenger vehicle -- about the size of a Maxwell House can -- to this little thing. (And the pickup's engine was only a 2.3-liter four.) Now I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the size of a shot glass, but it IS about the size of a doorknob. Cute -- just like the car.

    Meade
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