Mazda Protegé

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  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    From the actual TSB for the cold engine rattle:
    (http://web2.airmail.net/emann/protegefaq/tsb)

    "Customer may experience an engine rattle under light to moderate acceleration with engine coolant temps below 149 deg f and engine rpm's between 1500 to 2500. Confirm noise only occurs within the VTCS(Variable Tumble Control system) operation "valve closed" period (when ECT is below 149 deg f)

    The noise is a result of the intentional swirl that is generated when the VTCS plates are closed. "
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    You need to cross-post that TSB over on the Problems discussion to help that guy who's got his underwear in a bunch about it.

    So no "death rattle" after all, huh Paul?

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Jason already did it I think.
    What I find interesting though, is this:

    "This swirl accelerates the burning speed of the air/fuel mixture for efficient combustion and enhanced engine performance during cold engine coolant temperatures and low engine RPM operation periods. "
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Since the rattle, according to Mazda, is an intentional result of whatever the heck this VTCS is doing, it could still be enhancing engine performance with the unfavorable result of making a racket, couldn't it?

    I mean, to illustrate a similar example, diesel engines are noisy as hell all the time, but they're still excellent engines, eh?

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    All I meant was that the person complaining about the rattle a few posts back indicated that engine performance was poor whilst the death rattle was in effect.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Does Bill Gates own part of Mazda?

    I'd imagine the theory is quite sound, but in practice it leaves something to be desired. Its hard to tell, though, because we don't have the technical details. It is fun to speculate nonetheless! (and that is what we do best)

    Mine had the rattle, and lost power when rattling.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    According to a previous link I posted, yes, it does. The link showed pics of VTCS vs VICS.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Um, well, the TSB is - the one mentioning the rattle and VTCS - for the 2.0l.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Sorry....This link:

    http://www.protegeclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14824&highlight=VTCS
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    I wasn't sure the last picture (with different control lines) is taken from the FS-DE engine (contrary to the butterfly's) and the link posted by Meade doesn't mention it either.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    The 1.8 and 2.0 engines have VICS.
    The 1.8 and 2.0 engines also have VTCS.
    The VTCS system is only causing rattles in the 2.0.

    Sounds a little squirrely to me.

    Meade
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    The rattle is only causing rattle in *some* of the 2.0l. IMHO, according to Mazda statement, it's a resonance phenomenon, and resonance depends on everything including the face of the moon.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    To further add confusion, the MP3 doesn't have VTCS.

    Does the 1.8L have VTCS? I thought that it didn't??
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I'm fairly certain that I don't have the death rattle and mine is a 2.0L 5-speed manual LX.
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Maltb's post says the shop manual for the 1.8L and the 2.0L both show VTCS...now I'm really confused.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    IIRC, one of its tweaks is a performance intake. They must have left out the VTCS. With that, and probably other tweaks, it loses the ULEV status. That suggests that VTCS really works from and emissions standpoint.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    Take it to the dealer. Gee, thanks.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    The acronym I care about is VFAR.

    "Very Fun And Reliable."

    :)

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    "P.S. Learn to spell."

    :):):):)

    (Extra :)'s thrown in for Pat and the MA)

    Meade
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I thought that was in the Miata engine only?

    Meade: I just know the brakes have 80% now, they did at 24K when I had them checked. Will put the car up myself and check them in a couple days when I install my new wheels.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    VICS is an acronym.

    VCTS is NOT an acronym, it's an abbreviation.

    Get it straight.

    And leave Todd alone.

    :D
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Try "VTCS."

    Meade
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    Why is VTCS not an acronym?
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    Acronyms are abbreviations that can be pronounced as words.

    Ex: NATO, snafu, OPEC, etc.

    Merriam-Webster explains it like this:

    Main Entry: ac·ro·nym
    Pronunciation: 'a-kr&-"nim
    Function: noun
    Etymology: acr- + -onym
    Date: 1943
    : a word (as NATO, radar, or snafu) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term

    Everything else is just a plain old abbreviation. Sorry, one of my pet peeves.

    Oh, my Protege had a very nice two-year birthday yesterday. I took it out for dinner and dancing.

    :D
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    In MY dictionary ...

    "VTCS / vit' kuss /n/ more than one vtc / 1. A thirty-something schoolmarm who has nothing better to do than pounce into discussions at times to point out every last error, no matter how trivial, committed by English majors and other professionals with similar degrees. 2. One who keeps her windows open in car washes. 3. One who blames a dark car on a blown-out light bulb when the word "OFF" is clearly indicated at the switch position./ adj VTCLY

    P.S. Give ya a buck if you can tell me what RADAR stands for without looking it up ...
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    It's a toughie, but I had it on a hiring test at a newspaper.

    Meade
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    Thanks Dale. I know I'm not the first to misunderstand that one.

    So what defines it as a word, a vowel in there somewhere? I'm thinking about NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Admin.) commonly pronounced "Nitsa".
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    That while I was the first to use the word "acronym" in a post, I was NOT the first to go off-topic and make the word the SUBJECT of a post.

    Just keeping things KISS so I'll be A-OK when the CEO comes by ...

    Meade

    P.S. Mike and I have moved our latest posts on this matter over to the Posse.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "Oh, my Protege had a very nice two-year birthday yesterday. I took it out for dinner and dancing."

    My Protege's 2 year birthday is coming up soon. She gets no wining and dining, I just keep her maintained and she puts out.

    Is that how you spell maintained? I guess I should know how to spell that since I worked at J-lube.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    Your protege is a him.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "she". I've actually never checked on my particular car though. Where should I look?
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    MINE is male.

    Zoomster.

    Meade
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    do you always have to ask?
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    No meade, all is intact, thanks very much.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    ;-)
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    and I didn't see anything hangin' down below the beltline. Maybe my brother knocked the Protege's "equipment" off going over a speed bump too fast when he drove it. Ouch!
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    "a car" translated in french is "LA voiture". That's why only few of them are reliable. ;-)
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    someone in the Mazda3 board wants to post them, please somebody helps him.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    but in spanish is it not El Automobile? Masculine, not that mexican built cars are any more reliable than French built.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    is the Fardier, a 3 wheel car built in France in 1771 by Nicolas Joseph Cugnot for the French minister of war.
  • newpro4menewpro4me Member Posts: 14
    For the record, I currently have 118,000 miles on the factory brakes. Disc in front, drum in back, automatic transmission on 2000 ES. A lot of my driving is interstate so take that into consideration. It appears that I can go another 10k miles or so before I need new brakes.

    My car still runs great and looks great. No modifications to the car just regular maint. I don't get a chance to post much, but when I get the chance I read as many posts as possible.
  • theparallaxtheparallax Member Posts: 361
    My car is standing still!!!


    image


    I LOVE THESE NEW GAUGES!!!

  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    That was fast...I thought you were just thinking about getting those gauges. They look pretty cool, though. And yes, glad to see that speedo at zero. :P

    Wade: that's amazing mileage for a 2000, and amazing brake longevity. Do you EVER stop, or do you just set the cruise control and take naps while you're doing 55?
  • theparallaxtheparallax Member Posts: 361
    Well, I was looking at the gauges on the web site the night after we had talked, and decided to splurge and get them. Only took about a week for them to ship. Not bad at all.

    OH yeah, 50K miles is coming up real fast for my Pro. Moving or not...picture is needed!!! J/k, I'll try to be stopped if possible for the big 50K.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Those gauges look almost like mine, except for the green speedo and radio displays. Cool.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Other news: They're calling for a "significant accumulation" of snow here Thursday night into Friday!

    Meade
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    I'm hoping for lots of snow by Saturday! I want to go sled riding.
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