Mazda Protegé

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  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    There's a TSB for it - your dealer should replace them free of charge. Mine broke while trying to remove them for clean-up (and also b/c of a curb - but that's another story)

    Dinu
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    I don't think its a Ford Engine in the 3. Didn't Mazda 100% develop the 4 cylinder engine in the Mazda 6? So wouldn't the 2.3 engine in the Mazda 3 be the same engine used in the 6? I know the V-6 in the Mazda 6 is a duratec block but Mazda has finishing tocuhes on the Duratec.

    Also I read on interesting stat in the USA Today yesterday. The average age buyer of the Mazda Speed Protege is 24 years old. Wow! Mazda is getting the attention of young people nowadays. The same couldn't be said in 1998. 24 years old for a speciality car like that is pretty good. I read Mazda was targeting the 29 year old single male with the MSP.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    I saw in the USA Today article that there is going to be a 2003.5 Mazda Speed Protege which has cheaper wheel covers than the 2003 MSP's. So is Mazda running production for 2003.5 Protege's(DX, LX, ES, and MSP model trims) until the 3 comes out as an 05 model? When the 3 comes out it is going to be in January of 2004 after New Years right?
  • tomcivilettitomciviletti Member Posts: 207
    My first question is: will the 3 have the build quality of the pro, or of the focus? Who wants a hot little econo-box that lives in the shop? Not me. Even warranty repairs can be expensive in time wasted and aggravation. Then there is life after the warranty.
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    The 2003.5 MSPs have all been built. Production on the 3 started last month. We should see the 3 in North America around November.

    3s will be built in Hiroshima and Hofu, Japan in the same factories the Mazda builds the current Protege and Miata. I would expect similar reliability to those vehicles, i.e. very good.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    The 2003.5 MSPs have all been built. Production on the 3 started last month. We should see the 3 in North America around November.


    where'd you get that info? I thought the 3 was pretty darn nice looking and I might be willing to wait for its arrival in a few months...
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    "Seriously now, the 3 is likely to be the most miserly on fuel, so if everything else works out (fit, feel, cost, reliability etc.), it'll likely be my next car..."

    I heard a report on NPR yesterday concerning gas prices the next 5 to 10 years -- expect them to go up, especially during the summer months. And the current increases may become standard by next spring. It's due to low supplies and how quickly George W. can get the Iraq oil fields working again.

    "How'd you stop? What happened? Go airborne and land in a hay barn beside two guys blowing Alpine Horns and shouting, "Ricola!!!"????"

    And the answer is:
    Nope, I drove into a big sand trap built to stop trucks when their brakes fail. Then backed out slowly and put it in 1st gear. It was a long, slow discent on very twisty and steap roads with switchback curves. In the Alps roads are terraced like vinyards with small increases (or discents) in altitude. I had a long line of big BMWs and Mercedes behind me flashing their lights to pass or for me to speed up. Once in the valley I used the handbrake to stop until I could find a gas station. Rural gas stations usually have a mechanic.

    Then I took the Simca back to the rental agent and got another car to finish my trip. Small country, easy to return cars. They gave me a room in a beautiful hotel on Lake Zurich for the night. The next morning I had breakfast on the terrace with a terrific view of the Alps and swans swimming on the lake.

    Suggestion, when buying your next car, do without some options and treat yourself to a week in the Swis Alps. Try a fly and drive vacation like those offered on go-today.com. Rent a Mazda2, gas is very high there. Best way to learn driving over twisty roads. Don't stay in hotels, stay in "pensions" (Pen-zi-ons, private homes which rent rooms -- includes breakfast), about $25 a night.

    fowler3
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    I got this information from reading the Mazda3 boards on Edmunds.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I hear you on the gas prices. Here in MD, the cheapest I have found recently is $1.59 a gallon for regular unleaded. I can remember back when gas was $.99 a gallon, and I am only 25! I wish it would go back down, but it seems to go higher and higher with the summer vacation season winding down.
  • fowlerisgodfowlerisgod Member Posts: 2
    I have a 2001 Protege LX Automatic with a total mileage of 12,400 miles in two years of ownership. My wife drives it nearly every day to work - not a long drive as you can see by the mileage. Hoevever, my concern is of the overall MPG. I just came back from a trip from Boston to Upstate NY. I did 700 miles RT in all. My speed averaged 75-80mph as there was almost no traffic on I88 either way. I90 was a little busier. Anyway - I averaged 35mpg going out and 32mpg coming back. In all the time I have owned this car, I have never average more than 36mpg. The actual mpg on the car (we have kept a log from day 1) is 25.12.

    What should I be getting - is this a good rate of mpg or poor ? What is the best cruisiung speed for this model ?
  • bmclaughlin1bmclaughlin1 Member Posts: 19
    2 years ago today we bought an 01 Protege LX, 2.0, automatic. We now have 24,691 miles on it.
    It has been absolutely trouble free. We usually get between 25-32 mpg. We live in NE Pa. and run Michelin Artic Alpins in the winter. The car has been unstoppable. It's color is Emerald Mica.
    As you can guess, we love this car!

    Bill
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Friend of "Fowler"? :)

    Dinu
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    Vocus said, "I can remember back when gas was $.99 a gallon, and I am only 25!"

    Yeah, that was cheap, Vocus, maybe we will see that low price one more time. But, I'm old enough to remember when gas was 32-cents a gallon for regular, cars got about 10mpg-14mpg highway, speed limits were 55mph, and no Interstates. Everything is relative and averages out if we are lucky.

    My Protegé is also a 2001 LX with AT and 36mpg is what I averaged on a long day trip to Virginia. I thought that was good for the Pro, considering it is rated 23 City and 31 Highway. Don't expect Civic mileage and be happy you get higher than the EPA rating.

    When I had a 1994 Civic, I was so happy to have a car that got high fuel economy - 38mpg highway with the AC On, 41mpg with AC Off. But I found I wasn't saving much money -- because I drove it TWICE AS OFTEN as the previous car. That "finding a reason to drive it" thing. ;) So the Pro does just fine and my mileage after 28 months is 15,400.

    One thing you will notice, with a full tank the fuel gauge will drop rather quickly to the half tick mark, then slowly below half. I have been driving this weekend (local trips) with the gauge below half and it hasn't moved hardly at all.

    fowler3isnotgod
  • mbs7mbs7 Member Posts: 28
    My 99 LX now has 61,000 miles and it has been nearly perfect. The engine runs like new and doesn't consume any oil. The transmission shifts as smooth as ever and shows no signs of problems. All of the accesories continue to function and seem like new. It appears that this car still has lots of life left. Every time I get behind the wheel it's a pleasure.

    I've had two "problems" with it. Around 35K miles the Mass Airflow Sensor went bad, but they replaced it free under warranty. I also suffered through a persistent pinging that has now gone away, I think due to a really long road trip I took. Other than that, this car has been completely without incident. I have done the routine maintenance and have taken it in for its major maintenance services. I've had the transmission fluid and filter replaced once.

    At this point, I would definitely buy another Protege. The car looks great and runs better. The price is very low and the standard options are good. Why would anyone buy a Civic or Corolla?
  • tomcivilettitomciviletti Member Posts: 207
    I can remember when regular gas waas 19.9/gallon, and I'm only...ah, nevermind.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Do you remember when the news spread about the discovery of the New World too?
  • tomcivilettitomciviletti Member Posts: 207
    I still have all my hair [more than ever in some spots] and can still please [or scare away] a woman. When I was a teen in NE PA, we had some great gas wars. With my "63 bug, even a poor hiskool student could keep on truckin'.
  • mazdafiremazdafire Member Posts: 3
    Bought a new '02 Mazda Protege 18 months ago and put about 12,000 miles on it. A few days ago the car burst into flames while I was driving it. The car is now totalled. Mazda claims they don't have an investigative team to find the source of the fire and refuses to help.

    Anyone have any similar problems with fires and/or services?
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    you have the first protege on this forum that got BBQ'd

    sorry to hear about your loss :-(

    but, why are you calling Mazda for an investigation team? The car is totalled, might as well grab the money and get a new car
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    As long as the insurance company doesn't claim you're at fault, just walk away and get another car. why would it matter what research mazda does? you car is gone either way.
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    But you could also look at it this way. He turns it into insurance and it's a claim on his policy, which can lead to higher rates and dropped insurance.

    And the car was only 18 months old. If it was a manufacturing defect that caused the fire, why shouldn't Mazda be held responsible? I would guess the warranty doesn't explicitly say it covers BBQ'd parts, but I would think it should. Is that any different than the transmission falling out?
  • mazdafiremazdafire Member Posts: 3
    That's what I am trying to find out. If the fire merely damaged the car and it was fixable, it would be covered under the warranty. So why is it not covered under the warranty if it is totalled.

    The insurance settlement barely covers my outstanding loan. So I am out the money I have invested in this car so far.
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    rests with the insurance company (or owner). If they determine it was caused by a manufacturing defect, then Mazda is liable and must provide you with a new car under the warranty. Your insurance adjuster should be able to tell where the fire started.
  • mazdafiremazdafire Member Posts: 3
    Insurance adjuster said he couldn't tell and they refuse to hire an investigator to determine the cause.
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Call your state attorney general's office. Tell them your 18 month old car burned up and your insurance company won't investigate. Call fires are pretty rare, especially on new cars. That should pique their attention.

    Oh yeah, tell your insurance company that you are going to make the call. Finally, call Mazda again and tell them you are going to get the SAG involved. All you can do is give them fair warning. If they do not respond, then it is their own fault. There is no reason Mazda could not hire an investigator. Be advised, if they do and the fire was your fault, they have the right to bill you for the investigator.
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    either way Mazdafire is going to get burned again.

    Sorry about your car.

    I'll bet when tomciviletti bought his first car the dealer wrote the bill of sales on a clay tablet! Oh, yeah, that wasn't a car it was a chariot. ;)

    fowler3
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Just went through a similar situation as you did, only whomever tried to take my car then burned it because they couldn't beat the theft system on it (it was not a Protege). The insurance company investigated for about a month before even starting work on the car, and then they worked on the car for about 3 weeks before totaling it.

    I can tell you right now they are going to investigate the matter pretty extensively. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't put an investigator on the situation.

    Best of luck getting a new car. I also know what you mean by being out the money you have paid into the car already, but it happens. Good luck.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    @#$%^&!!!

    I was stopped in traffic this morning in the rain, on the local road near the high school (same place I saw the RX-8 the other day), when Zoomster got rear-ended by a snot-nosed kid in a '94 Accord who wasn't looking where he was going.

    @#$%^&!!!

    On came the flashers and out came the Meadeball, cell phone in hand, already calling the police. Seriously, it felt a lot worse than it was (good ol' Protege bumpers), and even though he did put a small dent/hole in my bumper, it's mostly just some pretty severe scratches and some paint swapping. (That Honda white looks just wonderful on my Emerald Mica, lemme tell ya.) But I've been burned before; this wasn't going to be one of those "swap insurance info and leave" kinda things. The kid was like, "Dude, what are we waiting for?" I was like, "We be waitin' right here for the law, DUDE!!!" His girlfriend was sitting in the car looking like, "Oh puh-lease, like we need to get to like, class, OK?"

    I was like, "Nope!"

    Really, I didn't have anything against the kid; it was raining; it was early morning and dark and misty; all I really wanted was to get a report filed so I didn't run into any insurance hassles.

    Turned out the cop charged him with "following too closely."

    Oh well. Now I guess my house will be egged.

    And yippee. Now I gotta go to court October 24.

    But Zoomster gets to go to the best body shop in town, this time at somebody ELSE's expense!!!

    It'll be interesting to see just what they have to replace. I don't think they take dents/holes out of plastic bumpers, so I guess a new bumper cover and paint job is in the works. Anyone want to throw out the first guess as to how much a new bumper cover on a 2000 Protege costs?

    @#$%^&!!!

    Meade
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "Anyone want to throw out the first guess as to how much a new bumper cover on a 2000 Protege costs?"

    IIRC, mine was $700 to repair.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    As Newt said in "Aliens" ...

    "It's just a piece of plastic."

    :D

    Meade

    P.S. Raymond, I'm ignoring you. You silly boy.
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    Glad that's all there was to it, Meade :)

    Yeah, I'd guess 600-800-ish. My front bumper (which I was too cheap to do anything about) was estimated at 400 through 600, on an older model car. Pieces of broken plastic cost way too much moolah.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    for the new bumper (installation included)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Make that a whole carton of eggs.

    Meadeball
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    You might not need a new bumper cover, they might just refinish it like they did with mine. I had scratches that went into the plastic and they were still able to repair it.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    How do you "refinish" a piece of -- plastic -- with gouges all the way through it (i.e. holes) anyway?

    Sounds like you dealt with Miserly Insurance Co., or your body shop just got their hands on the new Ronco Bumper, Baseboard & Toilet Seat Rejuvenator!

    Besides ... like I said ... he was at fault ... cost is NOT a problem!

    Meade
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I don't know how they did it, but it turned out perfect. Believe me, I was skeptical at first but the body shop assured me that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and I couldn't.....and my bumper cover had gouges in it too.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Refinish the cover and replace the energy absorber.

    Bummer. Fresh drivers need to cool it for a while, especially when the road is wet (actually, ALL drivers do). They grossly underestimate how wet or humid weather can decrease traction and brake effectiveness.

    I'm glad you made them stick around for the law to show up and file a report. That'll do more to change his behavior than anything else.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Maybe his Accord was shod with Poortenzas.

    It was raining, after all!

    :)

    Meade
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    $1735.85....I'm glad no one was hurt dude!

    ;-)

    -larry
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    in your Protege's. I can't PAY anyone to hit my old Lexus's. I wish someone would hit it burn it something. And don't get me started on my Dakota.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    ... for someone to total one of my cars. 'Twould be a stroke of amazing luck to be able to run out and secure a shiny new 6 for myself right about now ...

    Meade

    P.S. "Seriously bad luck"? You may be asking for some bad luck if you keep driving around with that piece of wood lodged in your tire!
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    I wish someone would hit it burn it something
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    Leon, just because the dude has a deer run into his car and a young bro smacks his bumper, why do you call that bad luck? To me SERIOUSLY bad luck is owning a old Lexus's and a Honda Accord in the same lifetime.

    -lovetrain
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I love my LS but the GS is just too durn slow. Nice to look at though. As far as the new Honda...Well we've bought new ones for that last 4 years. 1999 Civic, 2000 Accord, 2001 Accord, 2002 Civic, and 2003 Accord. Soon to be a 2004 Element more than likely since Anony decided she didn't like the Forester. If that's bad luck, I'd hate to see what good luck looks like.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    u need better brakes. that way u stop quicker than the guy following you. u get the point?
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Both "old" Lexus's are paintwork free. I'd like em perfect or gone. No middle ground.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    put some nice brakes.
    start driving in front of a 16 wheeler.
    brake.

    u get a new car.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
  • steven39steven39 Member Posts: 636
    hello, iam considering these 3 cars and was wondering which of these is the best of the bunch. the protege es that i looked at yesterday came fully loaded with abs brakes
    and auto, and the 6 disk cd-moonroof package with a msrp of about 18,700.00 which compared with the civic ex is a great deal. as far as the golf gls goes, the only reason i was considering it is cuz thedealer sells both mazda and vw products and i was comparing both cars and the golf does come with a lot of standard saftey equipmnt as well as a host of other neat stuff as well.the only thing that has me concerned as far as the golf goes, is reliabilty of vw products which i heard is not great. also, the mazda 6 they have on the lot caught my eye as well.thanx steve
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