Ford '99 Super Duty Delivery Issues

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  • mjemje Member Posts: 33
    Ordered 99 sd250 4x4 v8 3.73 ls Lariat on 8/18.
    Was told on Fri. that it would probably be another
    8 weeks until delivery.
  • casper47casper47 Member Posts: 17
    I ordered my SD250 on 8-10-98. Still not picked up by Ford to build. Does any one know if you can make changes to the order if it hasn't been scheduled to build yet. I would like to add LS to my order. Just don't want the sales dept to lie and say they can't, if they can.
    Casper47
  • frank5frank5 Member Posts: 7
    You can make any change without affecting your build date up until ford pulls the order for building. I ordered my f350 v10 4x4 8/4 and changed the order twice before the end of August but I still received it last tuesday 10 weeks to the day after placing the order.
    By the way I only have 150 miles on it so far but it has a very smooth ride for a 4x4. I traded a Dodge 1500 2 wheel drive that was just a little smoother.
  • AirwolfAirwolf Member Posts: 142
    First, if you were to scroll back through ALL the postings here, you'd see that Gwen can't do ANYTHING for you if you don't have a VIN. You can't get a VIN unless your order has been pulled, and given a build date. Since you have neither, it's useless to call the factory. Too many useless calls might force Ford/Gwen to close down. We can't have that.
    The reason your friend got his quicker might be any number of things, all listed in previous posts:
    1) Your dealer's allocation, ask him about it;
    2) Your order priority, set by dealer, but Ford picks up high priority items first, again, ask;
    3) Lariat Trim in combo with certain items have slow builds, but you'd have to get your order picked up first;
    4) He's yanking your chain, waiting to see how long he'll have to wait before putting your order in.

    The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Call the dealer EVERY DAY, talk to the manager, then the owner. Find out why they havne't ordered your truck yet? Did you put a deposit down? You should get it back until they order your truck.

    Good luck,
    Ryan
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Fleets use the XL models and there is less reliance on suppliers. It would make sense if Ford is geared up to crank out a higher volume of those types of trucks.

    Try to find out how many orders your dealer gets pulled each week. Then try to find out how many orders he has that were placed before yours. Each week, call him on Friday afternoon (orders are pulled Thursday night) to find out if your order was pulled. If not, verify that any orders pulled were placed before yours. A call once or twice a week should make you enough of a pest that he will do what he can to get rid of you.

    Ditto what Airwolf said about calling the factory. If you don't have a VIN#, they can't do anything for you. If you do have a VIN#, they can give you status info in a matter of minutes.
  • campocampo Member Posts: 9
    Brutus congraulations on your new wheels,
    best of luck.
    I'm enjoying mine going on 3k. lots of people
    compliment me on mine.
  • mjemje Member Posts: 33
    As told by everyone else here, there may be many reasons why the delay, however, I can tell you that the lariat package is restricted which means that it is going to be longer. Congrats to everyone who has picked theirs up. This site makes the wait a little easier.
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    I keep hearing this -- my dealer (who ordered mine in 36 days (lariat and everything)) still maintains that there is nothing much on hold. SDs come and go from his lot fairly regularly. Find another dealer, folk.
  • jtdeverejtdevere Member Posts: 8
    I am considering ordering a SD250 xlt crewcab 4x4. Is $1000 over invoice a good price or should I keep looking? Thanks in advance for the help. Jt
  • JR2451JR2451 Member Posts: 1
    For those of you who are keeping track: My F250SD-Super Cab, Lariat, PSD, short bed arrived today, 11 weeks after ordering (order placed Aug. 3). It was worth the wait.

    Thanks to all who have posted such useful information over the past weeks. My experience has generally shown such information regarding order priority, allocations and such has been right on the money.
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    That depends. What is the wait like? Will they jump your order to the head of the line? Do all the other dealerships have 3 month delays before they can even place the order? I paid a little more that I could have for my truck, and got it in a month. The time is something worth adding into the negotiations along with the price.
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    Just an observation...

    The best way to insure quick acknowledgement of your ordered truck is to use a dealer that does reasonable volume for what you want. In other words, they sell of lot of the model you're ordering, whether it's a car, minivan, or class 3 pickup. A mom-and-pop dealer probably has excellent customer service practices, but will be low on the allocation list. If I was in the market for a Super Duty, I'd probably hit Meadowland Ford here in NJ, because they are a pure truck dealer (no cars) and have pretty good turnaround time.
  • jtdeverejtdevere Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for the advice. I just got a quote for $500 over invoice with what the sales manager says is a 6 to 8 week delivery time. Is he telling me the truth? How do I find out without plunking my deposit down and waiting? 6 to 8 weeks seems a little fast from what I have been told. JT
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Ask him how many current Superduty orders he currently is waiting on. If it's over 1/2 dozen, ask him how many orders he usually gets pulled each week. 6-8 weeks is not unrealistic if the guy does not have that many orders currently placed or if he has a very big allotment. Look at how quickly Stanford got his truck.
  • jwp1jwp1 Member Posts: 7
    I ordered 99 F250SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat on 9-29-98 &
    have not rec'd VID or build date yet. Was told 8-12
    weeks when ordered, in Leavenworth, Ks.
  • mroffshoremroffshore Member Posts: 148
    jwpl,

    You should get a build date in a few more weeks. Good luck on the delivery. Do you do any bird hunting out there? I was in your part of the country last fall and met some of the nicest people in the world! I was on a pheasant and quail hunt from NJ, can't wait to come back to Kansas!!

    Mroffshore
  • dmscmsdmscms Member Posts: 5
    As a point of reference. I ordered a 250 XLT SB,
    4X4, Crew Cab, V10, 3.73 with limited slip, on
    July 16th. I just received word that my truck
    should arrive next week. The dealer claims it
    was set at a priority 10 from day 1.
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    The single biggest factor involved is how long it takes your dealer to get the order pulled. If you can find a dealership within 100 miles that has no waiting list, you'll do a lot better than if your order has to sit behind 25 others. It may be worth it to you to pay more money for preferential treatment also.
  • hoeftrhoeftr Member Posts: 8
    Just an Update my truck, ordered 9/26 is due to arrive at the dealer Nov 9, I even have a Vin Code so that means its fairly close. That will make about 6 weeks. Can't wait to get it.
  • jwp1jwp1 Member Posts: 7
    mroffshore,

    Not much of a hunter in the last twenty-five years, old hunting buddies like to drink to much whiskey on hunting trips. do enjoy fishing & work with many hunters.
    Dealers order printout shows priority 15, he's confident will arrive in 8 weeks, has my 97 tacoma as down payment and wainting for 94 suburban as 2nd trade.
    paid invoice and got respectable trade allowances, 2nd truck i've bought from him, he's the fleet sales mngr and been there for over 35 yrs.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Ditto what Stanford said. Once the ordered is pulled, it's like clock work unless something unusual happens like a rail strike. After the order is pulled, it's usually 4-6 weeks.

    He's also right about paying more for quicker service. Dealers have an incentive to assign higher priorities to vehicles that make more money. If you can determine the number of orders currently placed at a dealership and the average number of orders pulled each week, you can pretty much guestimate delivery dates.
    at that point, you have to decide if the extra time is worth the money you save.

    In the end, I saved $1,000. My wait was at least twice the wait of most people I know in locally. For me, the wait was worth it. If the savings had been under $500, I would have bought local. Local service wasn't really that big of deal for me because I'm moving out of this state in January.

    Still, I had a minor warranty issue with my truck. One of the few things I didn't check when I picked it up were the window shield wipers. The switch was bad. The dealer around the corner had no problem fixing it and did it quickly and without complaint. No doubt, before I hit the road in January, my truck heads to his shop for a good check over before the long road trip. That's based on his positive attitude and no griping that I didn't buy it at his dealership.

    The dealer still gets paid via reimbursement, although it's a little less than the normal fee. The guys in the service department get paid the same, regardless of whether it's warranty or not. I like the idea of establishing a relationship with the local service department. Was it Rich that mentioned a case of beer is a nice tip? One of the first things I plan to do when I get back to Alaska is take my truck to the local Ford dealer for a service checkup and to start building a relationship with that service department.

    jwpl,

    Is there such a thing as too much whiskey on a fishing trip?
  • jtdeverejtdevere Member Posts: 8
    Well I hope to place my order in 1 to 2 weeks. I thank you all for your knowledge. This sure is alot of money for a pick-up.....
  • jwp1jwp1 Member Posts: 7
    brutus,

    thats a negative on the fishing & whiskey, I just didnt like mixing it with firearms, too many close calls and bad judgement decisions. not nearly as scared of drowning or flying hooks!
  • dennis4dennis4 Member Posts: 47
    Called the dealer today and got the usual.... no change, clean and unscheduled. I questioned the fleet manager as to why my truck's status hasn't changed after 8 weeks and got the same old story, "we're doin our best, your priority is a "2" (?) and we'll let you know when anything changes." After a few minutes I asked if I could change an option since it wasn't pulled yet and within 15 seconds he said that I couldn't because it has an ETA at the dealer of 11/02! Go figure.... well then I asked him for the VIN and he said he didn't have it, but he will probably get it soon. My question : how do I squeeze the VIN out of him and should I count on the 11/02 date? His sudden burst of knowledge has me wondering if he is lacking honesty, ability or sincerity. Thanks
  • KEH4x4KEH4x4 Member Posts: 109
    I ordered my F250 XLT Crew Cab 4x4 short bed on August 19 . It was a priority 10. The build date was the week of October 12. I just learned today that it was shipped on October 21 (9 weeks after order) with a 12 day transit time. That seems like a long time to go from KY to AZ. At least it is coming soon.
    Anyway,the last few days I was trying to call Gwen during the day and would get a ringing phone and what appeared to be a broken answering machine. I thought I would try at about 6PM and what do you know? A guy answered and checked my status for me. I never tried calling in the evening because I figured that they only worked that job for the day shift. My dealer is abso-freaking-lutely WORTHLESS. They have NEVER returned my calls, I always had to call them back, and even then they never had any information. If it wasn't for this list giving the phone number, I would have no idea what the status of my truck is. After I sign the final papers on my truck, I am going to tell the sales manager how worthless they are and tell him if he doesn't give me a free bed liner, I am going to complain to Ford about their terrible service, and post on every internet forum that has to do about trucks and Super Duties how unhappy I am with them.. Would that be blackmail? I want to thank everyone on this forum for all of the information that I have received.
    Ken
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Dennis,

    If you delivery date is really 11/2, the dealer has a VIN. Maybe he just doesn't know what report to look at to find it. The good news is that I think if the dealer were lying about the delivery date at this point, he would have picked a date farther down the road.

    One thing to remember is that the delivery date is the week of delivery, not necessarily the actual date. I believe all build and delivery dates are Mondays, but we know they build and deliver on other days. My truck arrived on a Tuesday, a day after the estimated date.

    The amount of time between the build and delivery dates is normal, so I wouldn't worry about that. Cross your fingers and hopefully your truck will be here in less than 10 days. It doesn't sound like you will get any more info out of your dealer, so I'd just plan to call him on 11/2 and 11/3 and 11/4.....
  • chadw1chadw1 Member Posts: 22
    Dennis4,
    It seems that yoiu are in the same boat I'm in. I would call my dealer and they would tell me that my order was clean and hasd been picked up so I asked for the VIN, they didn't know it. As time went on I paid them a visit personally one afternoon, and asked them about the VIN and if my order had been picked up why couldn't they give it to me. So that sent them scambling to their book and then they finally told me my order had not been picked up.

    If you are dealing with the fleet or sales manager they do know what they are doing, so don't let them play dumb on you.

    Now I do have a VIN and an ETA of 11/2. So I will expect my truck to be in some time that week ( I think they get deliveries on WED.) That will make it 18 weeks, but I do know that my order was a priority 20 for about 7 weeks. I really can't complain because I am getting the truck for $99 under invoice. ( the dealer matched the price of Isbell ford)

    I do have a question.
    I was wondering what all the numbers and letters mean in the VIN. So I typed the VIN into the lemon fax (or what ever it is) on Edmund's site and it said it was a cc 4x2 5.4 V8, but I changed my order to the V10. I will be very unhappy if it comes as a v8. Do you think lemon fax is right?

    cw
  • jennerbjennerb Member Posts: 1
    We are having trouble shifting our new F250 4x4
    Does anyone know of any technical service advice on shifting problems with 1999 F250?
  • hoeftrhoeftr Member Posts: 8
    If its shift as in the manual Transmission, it must be a common problem, I was going to buy a
    PSD with the 6 speed until I test drove one. The clucth engauges at just barely above the floor boards making it difficult to shift. I have also heard several complaints on other news groups about the same thing.
  • lemanslemans Member Posts: 43
    I have read some articles on calling Gwen on delivery problems. Who is Gwen and what is the phone number. what info is expected ?
    If I wait 6 to 8 weeks and do not have a build date or delivery date, I think I will cancel the order and start over at another dealer. I am using one in a small town who say that I should receive my truk around Jan. Seem like a long time to wait. I know that I only ordered it a coupel of weeks ago. Lets see what happend.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    You can get Gwen's number by scrolling back through some of the previous responses. Gwen will not be able to help you unless your dealer can provide you with a VIN number, so it won't do any good to call her without it. If your dealer can provide you with a VIN number, he can provide you with build and delivery dates.

    6-8 weeks is about the fastest anyone is getting their trucks. A 12 week wait would not be out of the ordinary.
  • gmacegmace Member Posts: 31
    I haven't had any luck contacting Gwen but sent a couple emails, and left a couple messages on the machine. Good news is my salesman called today and left a message that the delivery week should be Thanksgiving week.
    The order was originally placed on March 25 so the delivery will be 8 months from order. F350, SRW, 4x4, Lariat, CC, LWB, V10, 3.73LS, Camper pkg, tow pkg, block heater, CD player, Auto trans, manual locking hubs, light prarie tan metallic.

    I think I get the record for the longest lead time.

    If I'm lucky I'll get it before Turkey day and put some miles to Phx. on it to see family.

    Next, family and I can drive up to CO to buy a camper. Probably a Lite Craft or Phoenix insulated pop up.

    I guess I just better hope I don't get a problem like vibes or bad oil consumption or something.

    Greg
  • lemanslemans Member Posts: 43
    (KEH4x4) What do you mean the item number? Is that a number you can get from you dealer?
  • lemanslemans Member Posts: 43
    gmace Why did you order the manual locking hubs ?
    I didn't know that that was availabel. However I was told by the dealer that the hubs would disegage when I took the truck out of 4-wheel drive. It is my understanding by this the from wheel would be fee wheeling. have I mad a mistake by not ordering manual locking hubs?
  • f150manf150man Member Posts: 42
    YES! Dealer called me today to say he has my VIN# and The Super Duty will be in first week of December. For those still waiting here are the facts. I placed order with dealer on 9.29.98 and he warned me of long lead time. Today 10.27.98 he said the order was pulled and it will arrive in 5 weeks (more or less). Everyone on this website has confirmed that the trucks are built like clockwork after the VIN number is assigned... so it will be 9 weeks from placing order to arrival of the truck. Unit is F250 CC SB SRW Power stroke diesel Lariet with many options.
    Dealer also mentioned to me that Ford was now backlogged 4 months on the power stroke diesel. This means that the next 4 months supply of diesels are already spoken for.
    Keep in mind that I buy many units from this dealer for my company, so I may have been moved up in tje waiting line.
    Good luck to all still waiting for their orders to get pulled into Louisville.
    PS After owning 5 F150's I may have to change my handle once the Super Duty arrives:-)
  • gmacegmace Member Posts: 31
    The order sheet has to code for either manual locking hubs or manual locking hubs delete. I was trying to communicate I did not order ESOF. That's all. The hubs with ESOF are supposed to be able to be locked and unlocked manually if the automatic system doesn't function. Your order should be fine. If you ordered ESOF, the hubs will be unlocked (freewheel) with 4WD off. If you didn't order ESOF, you get manual locking hubs which will allow the front wheels to freewheel also.
    Greg
  • KEH4x4KEH4x4 Member Posts: 109
    The item number is really the order number. My dealer gave that to me. I don't know if the dealer or the builder assigns the number, but the dealer gave it to me about two weeks after I ordered the truck.
    Also, I didn't get the ESOF (Electric Shift On the Fly) because I heard several months ago that they were having problems with it. If I need four wheel drive, I don't want it to fail and leave me stuck in the middle of nowhere. I may also install a limited slip in the front axle some day, and the limited slip works better with manual hubs.
  • hoeftrhoeftr Member Posts: 8
    I talked with gwen tonight about 7pm CST, And my truck just rolled off the line last thursday, and was in the cargo lot. Does anyone know how long it takes for the truck, once finished, to ship to its destination, in this case Milwaukee WI?
  • LlightLlight Member Posts: 4
    After headache after headache with various Ford
    dealers in the Seattle area, we finally ordered our
    F-250, V-10, 3.73 LS. At one dealership we were
    told that Ford didn't even make the 3.73 LS as an
    option in the SD 250's with the V-10! My husband,
    (the former GM poster boy) is pleased with our
    purchase - we originally wanted a new Silverado
    long bed but who knows when they'll get around to
    making them. One drive of the V-10 and I was
    hooked. Wish it wasn't so high off the ground but
    that's what cab steps are for, I guess. One
    question - we've only taken a V-10 out on the usual
    10 minute test drive. What's the ride REALLY
    like? I had a head injury a few years ago and
    can't take the really bumpy ride of a pickup.
    We'll be towing a 6500 lb. travel trailer. Would
    appreciate anyone's remarks/comments on the ride.

    We felt like we got a fair deal - we paid $300
    over invoice. Kinda weird - we didn't sign a thing
    and they didn't ask us to leave a down payment.
    All in all a pretty stress free experience
    considering we'd been to 9 dealerships before we
    found this one. The nice thing is we get to keep
    our money in our own county.

    This is our first new truck in 8 years of marriage
    and the GM poster boy's first Ford!

    Looking forward to your responses.
  • AirwolfAirwolf Member Posts: 142
    Is it me, or is #690 a complete word-for-word report of a message from about two months ago?

    Ryan
  • jwp1jwp1 Member Posts: 7
    f150man,
    I also ordered F250 CC SRW PSD Lariat Camper pkg, TTow pkg, T Hitch Red on 9-29-98, I called Gwen with order number last nite (10-27)and was told there is no build date or vin# yet. Oder is clean, meaning there was no options ordered that were not available. Just hasn't been picked up yet.
  • lemanslemans Member Posts: 43
    KEH4x4 I may be mistaken, but I thought the dealer or maybe someone else told me that there is way to engage the 4 wheel drive manual if the ESOF fails. Maybe I should have look closer at the web sits before I orderd the ESOF. However, I will probly fall into the statics as one of the ones that seldoms goes off road with a 4 wheel drive. I manily ordered it for the few times I might need it to pull a camper up a gravel road. At the present I can't see paying the amount we are for a new truck and take it off road in the bushes. However, I know that the guys that pull horse trailers need it a lot more that I will. Lets hope that they have the bugs out of the ESOF shortly. I don't like the shift in the floor for the 4 wheel drive. I know that that is silly, but I am a ham radio operator and will build stand on the hump and the shift lever for the 4 wheel would present a problem.
    I only ordered my truck a couple of weeks ago, don't know how I am going to stand the wait. On the good side the wife is wanting the truck more thatn I am. She is alread calling it her truck. boy it is going to be fund watching her trying to drive a F250 Super duty 4 wheel drive crewcab long wheel base since she is use to driving a dodge minivan. I think I will find a large open fiel for her to train on how to drive a truck this big. Maybe I had better do a little training also since I have been driving the same minivan and my 1965 Lemans conv.
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    The ESOF problems were corrected many months ago. You should be fine as far as that goes.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    No problems with my ESOF. Those were remedied earlier in the production cycle. You can override the ESOF by manually locking the hubs. By getting the ESOF, you didn't eliminate the ability to lock the hubs manually. You only added an extra option that you can choose to use or not.

    I guess my thinking is a little different on the truck use issue. I can't imagine spending this much on a truck and babying it like a car. I plan to take good care of it and definitely don't plan to abuse it. If I can take an alternative route that will avoid low hanging trees, or other obstacles, I'll do it. But if the only way to the fishing hole requires some off-roading or the potential for a couple of scratches and scrapes, all I can say is, fish on!
  • f150manf150man Member Posts: 42
    Hang in there!! The dealers allocation plays a big part in when your order will get picked up. If you talk to the dealers sales manager he will have a pretty good idea of his next slot that your truck may fall into. Don't try to pin him down to a specific day... but within a 2 or 3 week window he shoulod have a good idea when he can get your order into the plant for production.
    I have noticed in the last 3 or 4 weeks that there is not a Super Duty on any lot in my neck of the woods (Southern New England). These trucks are HOT and anything built on spec that hits the lot is gone in a few days! We purchased at work a F550 manual trans last month and I can tell you it is a pure joy to drive. Ford has created one great truck and the diesel is the cat's meow.
  • f150manf150man Member Posts: 42
    PS Seems like we ordered identical trucks......
    but mine will be White over Gold in color.
  • jwp1jwp1 Member Posts: 7
    f150man,
    mine was gonna be white over gold, but i drove in after ordering by phone to get trades appraised and saw a sold f250 sd sc v10 lariat in red and changed the color to red. you made a good choice i have seen that color combination and liked it a lot. a good friend who happened to be an IH truck salesman once told me there are only three colors to buy and that is white, black or red, and you can always pay $100.00 more for the red one because it will always sell first. good luck and keep me up to date.
  • LlightLlight Member Posts: 4
    Dear Airwolf,

    I originally posted in the F-250 owners about two weeks ago, not two months ago. It was interesting - I'm new to Fords, new to this town hall and assumed that with all these happy Ford owners, one of them would've written back to me to educate me on this expensive purchase we've recently made and are anxiously awaiting. Also, I truly wish to know what the ride is like. Therefore I attempted to post again in the delivery conference thinking that since I am awaiting delivery my post would be better suited here. Didn't mean to strain your eyes to read my post again - I'm serious about learning more about this truck and assumed this was the place to be educated.
  • KEH4x4KEH4x4 Member Posts: 109
    Doesn't the ESOF have an electrical switch that shifts into four wheel drive? And the manual version has the shift lever? I think so and hope so. I trust a manual lever over an electrical switch. Blown fuses, snagged wires on rocks/brush could disable the four wheel drive if it is electric. I will only use the four wheel drive about once a month, but would hate to tow my boat down a long dirt road while camping and have it rain heavy over night and get stuck in the mud because of a blown fuse or snagged wires. With a manual lever, you can have two or three guys grab the shift lever and cram it into gear if something gets a little stiff.
  • casper47casper47 Member Posts: 17
    I called Ford's Customer Service today. They don't know anything about build dates. They did call my dealer while I was on the phone and the dealer told C/S to have me call them. I called and they explained in great detail why the SD cc Lariat's are not being built very fast. He also said that he just got off an 1 1/2 hour conference with Ford and dealers across the nation. All had the same gripe. Not enough SD's being built. He even taped it and said that I was welcome to borrow it to see and hear for my self that the problem is not in just one or two areas in the country. He said that CC are held up till 1-1-99 and Lariat's till 12-31-98 along with the V10. All of which I have ordered on 8-10-98.
    I made the mistake of selling my 94 4x4 to the dealer when I ordered my new truck thinking that I would have the new one before the snow flys. Now it looks like I will be driving my old 2 wheel drive beater car through the winter.
    He also explained that even thou my truck is priority 10 that it is not buildable because of the hold up's at ford with the Lariat's, CC's and V10's and that a priority 80 that is buildable could be built before mine is. Priorities go up to 99. He said that a 99 will not ever get built and went on to explain why a dealer would use this code. What my dealer is telling me is that if it is not a disel with stick shift it's not going to be built any time soon. That's what he heard from Ford today. I am going to look at that tape just for my own satisfaction.
    I would like to know if any other dealers are telling the same story around the country.
    Please post it if you have heard any thing like this. I'll let you know if the tape sound legit.
    Casper47
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