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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Alpha01 - The photos I have seen have a wierd rounded rectangle of black paint or plastic on the fender behind the rear door enclosed by a molding which encircles the windows on each side. If that is a fake, then it is what I have seen.
    ANT14 - I see the HID lights listed in several documents, but the lights in the photos look like regular halogen lamps. If they are standard that is OK, but HID parts are so expensive that I would not order them if they were an option. I was at the dealer last year when the service guy was telling a lady that it would cost $900 to fix her bad headlight!
  • andyman73andyman73 Posts: 368
    I hope that the Freestyle and it's Mercury cousin will stay level with emergency braking manuvers. I performed a panic stop in my '86 Lincoln T/C. I was surprized that the front bumper didn't scrape. I'm sure the idiot who almost pulled out in front of me was thinking the same.

    If the Merc. version has the HID and such standard, we may shop that version instead. Either way, I think Ford has a pennant winning group coming out.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The 500/Montego/Freestyle will not exhibit major nose dive in panic braking.
  • mgpmgpmgpmgp Posts: 15
    Does anyone know if there are plans in the works to offer a larger than average moonroof in the 500 at some point. If so when? (The standard Ford moonroof is very small, and does very little for the vehicle, especially when you consider the price). Something as large as what Surbaru offers in the Forester would be much better.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Nope. More sunroof area you have, lesser structural rigidity you have. And since Ford is using this complex and sophisticated structure that stresses safety, it's not something you will see in the works.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Does anyone know the offical introduction date? Ford, Edmunds, and so forth still list the vehicles in their future sections. With the prices out, are they waiting until dealers have them in stock?

    Isn't anyone else here going to the drive event in LA on 9/2? We will be there at 10:00am.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Job1 was July 12th, Introduction August 11th, when people will see them in showroom... in 3 weeks. Prices in sites such as Edmunds.com and Kbb.com should be posted within the next 2-3 weeks.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Does the Mercury Montego come out much later than the Ford Five Hundred?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Both are being built at the same time... If you see some sort of 'space' between releases, it's more so the Montego makes it's own entrance, instead of being over-shadowed by reports of the 500.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "I performed a panic stop in my '86 Lincoln T/C. I was surprized that the front bumper didn't scrape."

    Go test stop a Lincoln LS, and see what they've done with handling dynamics since 86 - you'll be astonished!
  • andyman73andyman73 Posts: 368
    Oh yeah, I know, they've come a long way, baby! Even the 78 Dodge van, we had, didn't dive like that T/C. I like how some of the newest cars don't even dip a little. Technology sure is nice, sometimes.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    89 Town Cars were made that way on purpose you know - the Titanic effect was very popular back then. It was all about how smooth you could make them.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Click here

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7414

    And scroll down to the middle of the page.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    After hearing all the excuses about how Ford can't get a bigger, more powerful engine in the 500/Montego, I read about the new 300C. When will Ford wake up and realize that the American public wants something with a little more BALLS !!! I just finished the article on the Chrysler 300C for release during next spring. They blew everyone away with the 300C and a 340HP Hemi this model year. The next model will be the SRT-300C, with 425HP. If Chrysler can produce another engine so quickly, what is Fords problem. Ford models in other countries have so much over the American models. I know some of you will say that the new Fords are "pretty". Guess what, so is the 300C, as well as many of the Australian and European Ford models. This is typical of Ford USA. They stand by and let all the imported cars steal the buisniss. No navigation, no satellite radio, and the list continues. They give a little, and take back a lot. When I drove my 1997 Taurus it had power seats for both driver and passenger, power antenna, power lumbar, 4 wheel disc brakes, and so on. I buy a 2000 Mercury Sable, and I get no power passenger seat, a mast antenna, manual lumbar, which did absolutely nothing, and rear drum brakes. Why does Ford insist on shooting itself in the foot ???
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    If gas prices go through the roof, we will see how great the 300C sells. And it is the first year. MANY models of its type quickly sell to everyone who wants one, then the market goes thud.

    Also, this car isn't marketed to people who want a car that has what you said. This is more Avalon material. There's a lot more money to be made LONG term by going after the great middle market than the enthusiasts. You, (and we), are NOT typical. The mere fact you have enough interest to post here makes you (and me) not representative of by far the majority of the American car market.
  • zhelderzhelder Posts: 42
    I agree with you 100%. I was planning to wait to buy a 500, but decided to buy a Honda Accord last year, upgrading from a '96 Taurus. I'm glad I didn't wait for the 500, because it looks like a disappointment to me. The outside looks nice, but the interior, while appearing roomy, looks like it's straight out of 1990. The car also seems like it will be underpowered with the 200HP Duratec, even with a CVT. And it is absolutely inexcusable for a car in this price range not to have navigation and satellite radio systems as options. I have also seen the Australian Ford sedans you mentioned online and they are absolutely stunning, both inside and out. Why is an American car company producing such bland cars for its home market? Although I'm still undecided about the Chrysler 300's looks, Chrysler got the overall package right, offering a big, roomy, powerful car with a nice interior and tons of options for reasonable prices. Base prices on the 500 are not quite as high as I thought they would be, but after adding popular options (moonroof, side curtain airbags, etc.) the price adds up. I got an Accord fully loaded with just about every option a person could want, including navigation and satellite radio, and paid a reasonable price for it. I wouldn't mind if it was a pinch larger, but it is still comfortable and blows away my Taurus in terms of build quality and ride quality. Ford does indeed need to wake up. I think the 500 may be too little, too late.
  • The 300c makes up less than half of all 300 sales. Furthermore, the MDS featured in the 300C allows for well above average fuel economy given is weight and power.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    were no big deal to the focus groups Ford used to help design the cars - which tells you what kind of people volunteer for focus groups I guess. I agree with you - I wish this car had some more guts, but remember where Ford was aiming - a replacement for the Taurus & Crown Vic in one car. If they add in the Navigation and the Satellite Radio options, which they can do pretty quickly, it'll make a big difference. For now, I also think it's a big mistake not to have them. I'm sure Bill is screaming about stuff like that in light of the 300's debut - Chrysler's new car is fraught with some problems, but it's darn cute.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    I think most people who are shopping for a new car are looking for something extra, like features or performance that their present car doesn't have, or fresh styling. If all they are looking for is basic transportation, there are a lot of alternatives out there. I forsee generous factory incentives and rental car fleet sales for the Five Hundred.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I agree with you on what the market wants today - I'm thinking the crowd who don't care about nav & sat are more the Cavalier or Malibu crowd, not the new Flagship of Ford crowd. I expect Bill will see that pretty soon, and add it on.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    I have no need or desire for a 340 hp family sedan with a trunk that's barely larger than a Focus's, that leaves the Chrysler 300 out --- Yes, I know it's available with a smaller engine but the 300 and Magnum were designed around the 5.7l HEMI, and it compromises the packaging in too many ways, leading to a smaller trunk and poorer visiblity. Honda Accords are to me, too ugly, too small, and have horrible seats, that's all subjecive of course but it's also what counts if you're driving the car. I don't care much for the Malibu Maxx's sunroof, I despise sunroofs'. The Camry is better than the Acoord but still too small. The Taurus and Sable are dated, they could have been made more competitive, but Ford left that job to the Buick Lacrosse;) The Five Hundred seems to be it, a relatively economical sedan that has enough room for my needs, it'll carry 8' lumber and canvas rolls, and have room for my dad's wheelchair, and relatively easy ingress/egress for him. Those are my requirements, I don't see another sedan on the market that meets them anywhere near as well.
    It's a sedan that's a minivan alternative.
    Satellite radio, and Nav. might be nice for some but they are readily available aftermarket, and I have no need or desire for either at this time. If I were a real estate agent I'd probably want nav. and if I moved somewhere without CBC and decent Jazz stations I'd probably consider Satellite radio.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I've missed too much these past 2 day, was up in Orlando... had an Appt. with Charley...

    Zhelder,

    Ok hold on... With all due respect...

    "Why is an American car company producing such bland cars for its home market?"

    But you bought an Accord? That and the Camry are the KINGS of blandness. People actually like bland, which is one of the reasons they sell well.

    FDCapt,

    Ford is looking at the Australian Falcon, there's a couple of them here in the U.S. being analyzed. You will be shocked in the next few years...

    Overall this isn't a car to shock and awe, nor was it ment to.... Just like the Chrysler PTCruiser, and the Beetle... everyone was "ohhh look at that".. YET the majority moved on.. Not to mention those vehicles do not have a high repeat buyer quotient either. We need to see how the 300 does overall.

    Let alone, people should wait for the 500, before judging....
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    ANT14, let's make clear you mean the New Beetle, which you do. If you meant the old one, millions and millions went "Ohhh, look at that" and bought one for years and years. And then, the car could no longer be made to meet modern safety standards.

    I bet the Five Hundred surprises most of the naysayers, who aren't the target market for this car anyway. If they are SOOOO enamored of the Chrysler 300C, then they should just go out and buy the dern thing, enjoy, and go post in the appropriate forum. Reminds me of the constant discussion an old poster here at Edmunds used to bring up over and over about OHV engines in the GM forums. Eventually, everyone figured out that he had only one note he played over and over. He either got bored or, more likely, was asked to leave. And the forums are, in my humble opinion, better off without his constant, never changing harangue.

    The Five Hundred is not designed to make people look at it and go "Oh, my!" This car was not designed to thrill those looking for intense speed and aggresssive styling. Other cars are available for that purpose. One, I submit, is the Ford Mustang.

    And I have NO interest in that car. Still, I don't get on the Edmunds board for Mustang and diss it for not having better fuel economy, a bigger trunk, a usable back seat, easier access and exit, etc.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Must people shop based on looks first, then on price.

    On the 300c I've heard just as many people say they look ugly as say they look great.

    When you look at how INEXPENSIVE the Five Hundred is going to be compared to its direct competition, its hard to not at least give it a serious look.

    Apparently a few years ago Ford did a study which basically asked import buyers if they would consider an American car if it had the same quality and technology of the imports....

    The findings were NO, NOT UNLESS the American car was ALOT CHEAPER!!!

    I think Ford was paying attention...

    The typical "Five Hundred buyer" is going to be someone who is going to be looking for interior room at least equal to the minivan or SUV he is replacing. and here this car delivers big time.

    Also since the 3.5L isn't available immediately leasing seems alike a good idea. :)

    Mark
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    " let's make clear you mean the New Beetle"

    Yes New Beetle, who ahhh when it came out, but stale like last weeks Coke since.

    On the 300C, it's the "C" that will get the attention of some consumer's... That's the bait and hook model... They will enter, see the cost, see they can't afford it, walk out with a lesser 2.7, or 3.5L version. Majority will settle for the V6 models.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,942
    "Headlines

    GM CVT Goes Away in '06
    Date Posted 08-05-2004
    General Motors' experiment with a continuously variable transmission (CVT) in some of its small cars will end after the 2005 model year. The transmission, which uses adjustable pulleys to transmit power instead of fixed gears, has been installed in Saturn Ion Coupes, Vue SUVs and a European model since 2002. However, GM has had to recall vehicles so equipped because of complaints of grinding noises and failed gearboxes: GM also extended the warranty on existing CVTs as a result. GM will limit the CVT to the Vue AWD in the 2005 model year, and then will possibly replace it with a new, efficient six-speed automatic it is developing in cooperation with Ford."

    Quote from Edmunds - Headlines. . .

    I certainly hope Ford has a better experience.

    - Ray
    Interesting - verrrry interesting . . .
    2016 BMW 340i
  • msuradmsurad Posts: 7
    Very well said, Johnclineii, nedc2, and mschmal. I agree with posts 1081, 1083, and 1084 completely. The Five Hundred seems to have the things most people really need and nothing they don't, but evidently people don't have enough common sense to realize that.
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