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I have a highlander I am moving from next week to my new pacifica. it will not allow you to lock the doors with the keys in the ignition. everytime you do it unlocks the doors.
The door locks on the Pacifice will not activate with the key in the ignition. I tried to lock mine as you describe, and they would not lock. Sounds like a software glitch!
We have experienced pressing the key fob to unlock the driver's door and opened the door to find the seat in the other fob's seating position. Another push of the key fob to unlock the rest of the doors then moved the seat into the correct position. This has happened with both key fobs however, only once with each thus far. I hope it's not a continual problem. Anyone else experience settings not functioning correctly with their key fobs?
If I hit the lock button while turning the car off and don't remove the key, get out of car the doors will be locked. I understand that you can't lock the doors with the door lock switch on the arm rest if the key is in the ignition.Try pushing the lock button on key as you turn off the ignition leaving the key in switch, get out of car and see if doors lock. Mine lock.Punk
Russklass any communication from Chrysler since you sent in your information? I just sent mine in today. I was away on vacation and sure was ticked to see this come out. I've called all around and didn't get much help. The person I talked to at Chrysler's Customer Assistance was very helpful. The pains those operators must go through to try and calm ticked off customers. He indicated that it was very unlikely that they would honor a retroactive rebate. He suggested that once contacted that I should try to negotiate for things like extended warranty or accessories as compensation for being misled on the fact that I was told no incentives would be offered for 6 months to a year.
Anyone who has heard anything from Chrysler on their complaint of the early rebates being offered please post.
I will say in closing he indicated that Chrysler has stepped up and is now offering a free rental car for the day for Pacifica owners when they have their scheduled maintenance done. This will benefit me as the Enterprise office is right across the street from the Chrysler dealership that I will be taking my Pacifica for maintenance to.
My wife test drove a Pacifica today. She is in love! It is her number one pick to replace our Honda Odyssey. I am planning to test drive this weekend, but I am wondering if any of you had test-drove and then decided not to buy and why. I just don't want my wife's excitment to overcome our good judgement.
Door locks: I tried locking the doors with the key fob while the key was in the ignition ... they did not lock. Rebate: Sent a letter in 10 days ago, no response to date. I plan on suggesting an extended warranty credit if they won't do the rebate. Test drive(s): I took 3 test drives before buying ... liked it better each time!
I took delivery yesterday on my special order Pacifica.
Just an observation, when I ordered from my build sheet, the list included - Audio Controls/Steering Wheel Mounted - it is also listed on my window sticker, but on a short trip to show the in-laws last night, my husband noticed that the steering wheel mounted controls are all related to the cruise control.
Has anyone else discovered this? It's not really a problem for me as I usually "set it and forget it" anyway. I'm just wondering if they have re tooled these functions and it hasn't even trickled down to the paper producing segments of their operations yet.
I leave the keys in my Pacifica when it is in my garage. I have had the doors lock on me once, and I am still trying to duplicate it. I usually hit the "unlock all doors" button on the driver's side door when I get out of the driver's seat. I tried pushing the "lock all doors" but it don't work with the door open and the keys in the ignition.
Now that I know it was not just a random thing I will be more careful with the keys. I will do some more experimenting as soon as I can get the car back from my wife... I think I might even have a spare key made (with out the security codes) that will only open the doors.
umich01: There are many reasons not to buy as well as to buy. You should take a test drive and see for yourself. I think once you have taken the drive you will see why we (the owners) like our cars so much. I might add the vehicle has so much to offer that even after you own one you will still make neat discoveries of subtle features you did not realize it has. One example; when you click the key fob once to open the driver's door, the left directional lights blink. Click it twice to open all doors and both directional lights blink.
I ordered my Pacifica w/o even test driving one and was a little concerned when the power comments started popping up in posts. We got the FWD and, after driving it on a highway trip last night, have discovered that power is not an issue. It has more than I will use.
READ THE OWNERS MANUAL! I'm still amazes that people will pay $30-40M for a vehicle and not read the owners manual! You will never find most of the Pacifica's features without at least one thorough reading od the manual(s). P.S. The audio controls are on the BACK of the steering wheel, but you will need to read the manual to understand the functions of the 6 buttons.
Russ - Give me a break, I've had it less than 24 hours and along with the excitement of getting a new vehicle have mowed four acres and installed and painted new baseboards in my aging mother's bathroom remodel.
Thanks for letting me know about the controls. Perhaps the listing should be Hidden Audio Controls/Steering Wheel Mounted. Ha!
BTW - I just spoke with my insurance carrier and am reeling from the shock. They say that symbols have not been assigned to this vehicle so the premium will have to be based on VIN and MSRP. The vin classifies it as a truck and, well, we all know about the MSRP.
Did you have this same problem? Any solutions?
Thanks in advance. What would we newbies do without you?
I contacted my carrier yesterday to notify them of the changes that will be made effective Sat 6/21 when I take delivery. Here in NJ our insurance is out of sight to begin with, so I'm guessing my annual premium of $1150 is probably more than yours.
My carrier classifies the Pacifica as an SUV. The rep told me that the premium may go down as more experience is recorded on the vehicle. Its just too new for them to have any decent stats on it yet.
The premium is still $300 less per year than on my husband's three-year old LHS, so I can't really complain.
Oh, and for anyone shocked by our insurance costs...we both have crystal clean driving records (knock wood) and use one of the lowest-priced carriers still in the state of NJ. Car insurance sucks here.
I work at a bank. I once used M to denote thousand on a different board and everyone thought that it meant million. At work, we use M for thousand and MM for million and BB for billion. I wonder if it's finance related.
Anyway, congrats to all of you who bought the Pacifica. It looks like Chrysler is finally benefitting from the merger with Daimler.
Insurance for our Pacifica ($40M MSRP) is $882/yr in Western New York State, with some very high policy limits. This rate is about the same for the 300M it replaced.
I work in the foodservice frozen food industry (see profile), in no way related to the finance industry.
To Peter: Thanks for bailing me out on the M vs. K issue. I've always believed M is correct for thousands, but it could be K. Any bankers our there want to weigh in?
maxmom: I don't mean to rag on you in particular about reading the owners manual. It's just that a great number of questions asked on the auto message boards could be answered if owners would just crack the cover on the manual. There are so many really neat features on many new cars that require owner programming, most people well never know about then if they don't read the manual. Wait 'till you find out what you can do with the steering wheel audio controls and you will see what I mean. Forget the yard work and go for a long ride in your new baby!
On a quick run to the grocery this afternoon (still not having taken the time to thoroughly read the manual), I found the "secret" audio buttons. Made the mistake of pressing one and losing the Eagles on CD right in the middle of my favorite song. Okay, I promise not to touch them again until I read.
A friend and I are about to leave to take the kids to a Harry Potter release party. My first real drive in the Pacifica, about 100 miles.
As for insurance, I guess I should count my lucky stars. My premium is going to run about $600 per year. They also said that it could decrease as soon as symbols are assigned and some history builds up.
Thanks for all of your replies, even to the dumb questions.
OK, Mona, I'll give you a break. Pressing the center of the right audio button changes bands in sequence AM, FM, tape, CD, CD changer, repeat. If you lost your CD song, just keep pressing the same button until the song picks up where it left off. Now read the manual!
Quote: "I will say in closing he indicated that Chrysler has stepped up and is now offering a free rental car for the day for Pacifica owners when they have their scheduled maintenance done. This will benefit me as the Enterprise office is right across the street from the Chrysler dealership that I will be taking my Pacifica for maintenance to. "
Does that apply to all vehicles on ONLY with the Chrysler extended Vehicles ? my dealer's finance guy was saying its a feature of their extended warranties .... hmmm deceptive of them if its offered on All Pacificas ...
I just picked up my Pacifica today, and the salesman told me that the free loaner was available only to Pacifica and Crossfire purchasers when their scheduled service is expected to take longer than one hour, up to five days. It can be extended to 10 days if any parts are on national backorder.
Looks like ms_mayor already beat me to the answer. I was told the same thing, service longer than an hour or so on ANY Pacifica or Crossfire that a rental car would be provided.
Crud! Saturday is the big ad day here in Portland, OR. My dealer is now trying to move the oldest Pacifica's on the lot. 6 of them at $5,000 off MSRP. I can tell because they list the stock numbers and they are 5 digits long and the last digits are 1,2,3,4 and 6. Car number 2 is an Inferno Red fully loaded which costs $200 extra for that special color putting the MSRP at $41,400 and sale price $36,400. That's less than I paid for my less optioned Pacifica less than a month ago. I'm starting to have real buyer's remorse on this whole thing. I really didn't expect Chrysler if they were truly trying to move upscale and make these new line of cars more exclusive like a Mercedes and with production at only 100k this year that they would have held the line on pricing at least a little longer. I also just received my DaimlerChrylser Survey in the mail today. They will receive a piece of my mind as an early adopter and taking me to the cleaners. I bought my Honda on ad and saved thousands, looks like I should have waited one more month on the Pacifica and could have saved a ton too. The sale price puts all these vehicles almost $2k under dealer invoice. So anyone trying to get Edmunds dealer invoice either talk them down more or come to Portland, Oregon and pick yourself up one at a $5,000 discount. Truly disappointed, makes it even harder for me to get in what I truly think is a nicely done car and wouldn't trade any of my options if I had to do it over again, just would have liked to not seen such deep discounting early on.
While I can understand your frustration, I also think that anytime you buy a car you always run the risk of a better deal coming along later on. It's like trying to time the stock market...something even the best pros can't always do.
Could I have gotten a better deal on mine than $600 over invoice? Maybe. If I'd waited, would the rebate be bigger, or gone altogether? Who knows. But now that my Pacifica is sitting in my driveway I'm not going to play the what-if game. I'm just going to enjoy it.
Overall, if I care for it properly and it lasts me the same 155,000 miles I put on my last car, I'll feel that it was worth every penny I paid no matter what.
Quote: "I will say in closing he indicated that Chrysler has stepped up and is now offering a free rental car for the day for Pacifica owners when they have their scheduled maintenance done. This will benefit me as the Enterprise office is right across the street from the Chrysler dealership that I will be taking my Pacifica for maintenance to. "
Where can I find this in print from Chrysler? How long will they be offering this (for the life of the car?)? I expect to pick mine up any day now (when I checked last week, they had finished assembly and were just waiting for shipment) and want to know about what I am entitled.
The Pacifica would be a LOT more attractive as an alternative to minivans or SUVs if it had 3 passenger second row seating. The third row is not well suited for adults, and the cargo space behind the third row is less than the trunk space of most sedans.
As I see it, it is more a 4 passenger car with the opportunity to hold 2 kids in the extra seat, or two more adults on a temporary basis. Since I have 3 kids, ages 14, 6 and 6 and since we also have a minivan, this seating fits us perfectly.
Local DC dealer said to me that many are turned off by the lack of a 3-person bench in the middle option. This pig is certainly wide enough to put a nice comfy bench right in the middle and then have a ton of room in the rear for gear -- like a good ol Caprice Classic wagon or a Colony Park. Oh, but DC doesn't want anyone to think of the Pacifica as a station wagon -- it's a Sports Tourer.
I think that the less priced Pacifica that will be built in August will offer a bench instead of the captain chairs. I hope all future Pacifica will have the captain chairs as an option.
It's going to be interesting to see what they cut out in the de-contented version. Off hand, it's hard to see what you could take out that would save the thousands of dollars that they need to get out of the price. Some of the media have said cloth seats instead of leather. But, of course, it has cloth seats standard now. Cheaper cloth? The biggest single cost reducer that I could see would be to put in a 3 passenger second row and cut out the third row seating entirely. They have mentioned dropping the adjustable pedals and memory seats, but that would save only a few hundred dollars. Ditto dropping the automatic load leveling, another thing that has been mentioned.
The second row captain's seating is one of the top three reasons I chose this vehicle over others...it simply fits my family to a tee. I'm not interested in trying to fit as many people as I can in a car based on available space...I want my family to travel in comfort.
While its true that offering a bench or captain's seating as options may make the Pacifica appeal to a wider audience, "this pig" the way its currently offered is a blue-ribbon winner for those of us currently driving it.
Those of you that are fortunate enough to have your Pacifica already, are you using the prescribed 89 octane (plus) gas or are you using 87 octane (regular)? What kind of performance did the regular offer?
DC slipped up on this one. Plenty of gagety options, but no way to make it a practical station wagon. This thing has the same lack of utility as a minivan -- holds people and little gear, or plenty of gear but fewer people, but not both. The station wagon model is still the most practical for a family of 4 or 5, and DC will have to offer the second row bench or this pig is gonna go the way of the Edsel.
I feel sorry for the people who fell for the Celine Dion crap and rushed out and bought one -- they overpaid by thousand$.
A little late on the draw on this one but I thought Roman numeral MM was two thousand? Hence M&M candy being the official candy of the new millineum? I thought M could also stand for mega which in scientific terms equals one million?
Anyway while I'm here, love the Pacifica and was impressed when I saw one on display at the mall and car show.The exterior looks awesome like a station wagon on steroids. The quality of the interior was definitely upscale. Surprised that the car weighs in at 4700 pounds kind of near the mass of SUV's.
I wish the Pacifica success but wouldn't be surprised if it fell short of expectations. I think it's a niche vehicle, the best looking 6 seater out there and a worthy minivan alternative. If I had to seat more than 5 people it would definitely be my choice but under 5 people I might choose something else , RX330, X5,MDX,FX35. I think vehicles that go for big bucks (> 30,000) that are not luxury marquis i.e. Lexus, Cadillac etc have a hard time justifying their price to the public. Those people IMHO expect better level of service and treatment. That's why I think some worthy vehicles have not sold well, Mazda Millenia (after a few years), Mitsubishi Diamante and maybe the 04 Nissan Maxima and Murano. Chrysler does make some of the most attractive vehicles out there and I hope it can achieve it's goal as becoming the premier American division of DC.
Congrats to those who bought one. I'm sure you made an excellent choice!
You call the Pacifica a "pig", and praise the unlamented Caprice Classic stationwagon, the all time pig? Please go back to the BMsnob, oops, I mean the BMW board and stay there!
"We took delivery of our Bright Silver/Taupe Pacifica on May 3rd, paying dealer invoice price. MSRP is $40,385".
I understand why you are touchy. NY dealers are knocking almost $8k off the sticker of loaded-to-the-gills Ps that are collecting dust on the lots. Dealer I spoke with said I should come back in late July and they will be in around $31k. Until they get the second row bench, though, it is not as practical as my current Taurus wagon.
I will now just have to echo russklass. I'm over my being ticked off about the pricing. I understand that if one waits that better deals usually come along. However, I thought that with the Pacifica's and Crossfire's DCX would try a different pricing tactic. How often do you see rebates on Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Acura? I surely didn't expect the Pacifica's to have such deep discounts early on even if they are "piling" up on the lots. Dealers around here have around 20 a piece, just selection IMO not "piling up". I'm happy that we have the Pacifica and it meets everything that we were looking for to replace our Explorer.
I was reading Popular Mechanics at the barber shop this weekend and it had sneak peeks at the Ford equivalent of the Pacifica, the Freestyle. Based on the Taurus platform. How is this for decision making, they will have V6, V8, FWD, 4-wheel drive and AWD models. That is what I hated with purchasing a Ford, just way too many options when looking at what's available on the lot. The Pacifica was a nice easy purchase with limited options and good options at that.
I'll let the board know if/when I hear from DCX on trying to be compensated at all for being a purchaser less than 10 days before the $1,000 incentive went into effect and the promises made by the dealership of no incentives for 6 months to a year.
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Sounds like a software glitch!
Anyone who has heard anything from Chrysler on their complaint of the early rebates being offered please post.
I will say in closing he indicated that Chrysler has stepped up and is now offering a free rental car for the day for Pacifica owners when they have their scheduled maintenance done. This will benefit me as the Enterprise office is right across the street from the Chrysler dealership that I will be taking my Pacifica for maintenance to.
I tried locking the doors with the key fob while the key was in the ignition ... they did not lock.
Rebate:
Sent a letter in 10 days ago, no response to date. I plan on suggesting an extended warranty credit if they won't do the rebate.
Test drive(s):
I took 3 test drives before buying ... liked it better each time!
Just an observation, when I ordered from my build sheet, the list included - Audio Controls/Steering Wheel Mounted - it is also listed on my window sticker, but on a short trip to show the in-laws last night, my husband noticed that the steering wheel mounted controls are all related to the cruise control.
Has anyone else discovered this? It's not really a problem for me as I usually "set it and forget it" anyway. I'm just wondering if they have re tooled these functions and it hasn't even trickled down to the paper producing segments of their operations yet.
Now that I know it was not just a random thing I will be more careful with the keys. I will do some more experimenting as soon as I can get the car back from my wife... I think I might even have a spare key made (with out the security codes) that will only open the doors.
umich01: There are many reasons not to buy as well as to buy. You should take a test drive and see for yourself. I think once you have taken the drive you will see why we (the owners) like our cars so much. I might add the vehicle has so much to offer that even after you own one you will still make neat discoveries of subtle features you did not realize it has. One example; when you click the key fob once to open the driver's door, the left directional lights blink. Click it twice to open all doors and both directional lights blink.
I was very impressed with the test-drive, especially since I had read a post complaining about how the engine is not powerful enough.
I found the car to have plenty of power, it drove very smoothly, and I liked the car even more after test-driving it!
I'm still amazes that people will pay $30-40M for a vehicle and not read the owners manual!
You will never find most of the Pacifica's features without at least one thorough reading od the manual(s).
P.S. The audio controls are on the BACK of the steering wheel, but you will need to read the manual to understand the functions of the 6 buttons.
Thanks for letting me know about the controls. Perhaps the listing should be Hidden Audio Controls/Steering Wheel Mounted. Ha!
BTW - I just spoke with my insurance carrier and am reeling from the shock. They say that symbols have not been assigned to this vehicle so the premium will have to be based on VIN and MSRP. The vin classifies it as a truck and, well, we all know about the MSRP.
Did you have this same problem? Any solutions?
Thanks in advance. What would we newbies do without you?
I contacted my carrier yesterday to notify them of the changes that will be made effective Sat 6/21 when I take delivery. Here in NJ our insurance is out of sight to begin with, so I'm guessing my annual premium of $1150 is probably more than yours.
My carrier classifies the Pacifica as an SUV. The rep told me that the premium may go down as more experience is recorded on the vehicle. Its just too new for them to have any decent stats on it yet.
The premium is still $300 less per year than on my husband's three-year old LHS, so I can't really complain.
Oh, and for anyone shocked by our insurance costs...we both have crystal clean driving records (knock wood) and use one of the lowest-priced carriers still in the state of NJ. Car insurance sucks here.
To msmayer- We look forward to hearing about your delivery experience. Please keep us posted.
Btw, on the subject of insurance, you'll find some great information in Edmunds Insurance Center.
Happy motoring! ;-)
Revka
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WOW! $30-40 million! I thought $30-40K was steep for a minivan. : )
Russ, no offense, you are, IMO, the Pacifica guru and I'll take any advice you offer. I'm still waiting for your insurance advice.
And no, I've still not read the manual. Hedge trimming in the southern sun was on today's list.
Revka - Thanks for everything!
I work at a bank. I once used M to denote thousand on a different board and everyone thought that it meant million. At work, we use M for thousand and MM for million and BB for billion. I wonder if it's finance related.
Anyway, congrats to all of you who bought the Pacifica. It looks like Chrysler is finally benefitting from the merger with Daimler.
Peter
I work in the foodservice frozen food industry (see profile), in no way related to the finance industry.
To Peter: Thanks for bailing me out on the M vs. K issue. I've always believed M is correct for thousands, but it could be K. Any bankers our there want to weigh in?
maxmom: I don't mean to rag on you in particular about reading the owners manual. It's just that a great number of questions asked on the auto message boards could be answered if owners would just crack the cover on the manual.
There are so many really neat features on many new cars that require owner programming, most people well never know about then if they don't read the manual. Wait 'till you find out what you can do with the steering wheel audio controls and you will see what I mean.
Forget the yard work and go for a long ride in your new baby!
A friend and I are about to leave to take the kids to a Harry Potter release party. My first real drive in the Pacifica, about 100 miles.
As for insurance, I guess I should count my lucky stars. My premium is going to run about $600 per year. They also said that it could decrease as soon as symbols are assigned and some history builds up.
Thanks for all of your replies, even to the dumb questions.
Pressing the center of the right audio button changes bands in sequence AM, FM, tape, CD, CD changer, repeat.
If you lost your CD song, just keep pressing the same button until the song picks up where it left off.
Now read the manual!
"I will say in closing he indicated that Chrysler has stepped up and is now offering a free rental car for the day for Pacifica owners when they have their scheduled maintenance done. This will benefit me as the Enterprise office is right across the street from the Chrysler dealership that I will be taking my Pacifica for maintenance to. "
Does that apply to all vehicles on ONLY with the Chrysler extended Vehicles ? my dealer's finance guy was saying its a feature of their extended warranties .... hmmm deceptive of them if its offered on All Pacificas ...
it seems like a red-headed step child instead
Could I have gotten a better deal on mine than $600 over invoice? Maybe. If I'd waited, would the rebate be bigger, or gone altogether? Who knows. But now that my Pacifica is sitting in my driveway I'm not going to play the what-if game. I'm just going to enjoy it.
Overall, if I care for it properly and it lasts me the same 155,000 miles I put on my last car, I'll feel that it was worth every penny I paid no matter what.
Read the full road test here: 2004 Chrysler Pacifica, by Ed Hellwig. And let us know what you think.
Thanks for your comments! ;-)
Revka
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"I will say in closing he indicated that Chrysler has stepped up and is now offering a free rental car for the day for Pacifica owners when they have their scheduled maintenance done. This will benefit me as the Enterprise office is right across the street from the Chrysler dealership that I will be taking my Pacifica for maintenance to. "
Where can I find this in print from Chrysler? How long will they be offering this (for the life of the car?)? I expect to pick mine up any day now (when I checked last week, they had finished assembly and were just waiting for shipment) and want to know about what I am entitled.
Many thanks....
The second row captain's seating is one of the top three reasons I chose this vehicle over others...it simply fits my family to a tee. I'm not interested in trying to fit as many people as I can in a car based on available space...I want my family to travel in comfort.
While its true that offering a bench or captain's seating as options may make the Pacifica appeal to a wider audience, "this pig" the way its currently offered is a blue-ribbon winner for those of us currently driving it.
I feel sorry for the people who fell for the Celine Dion crap and rushed out and bought one -- they overpaid by thousand$.
Anyway while I'm here, love the Pacifica and was impressed when I saw one on display at the mall and car show.The exterior looks awesome like a station wagon on steroids. The quality of the interior was definitely upscale. Surprised that the car weighs in at 4700 pounds kind of near the mass of SUV's.
I wish the Pacifica success but wouldn't be surprised if it fell short of expectations. I think it's a niche vehicle, the best looking 6 seater out there and a worthy minivan alternative. If I had to seat more than 5 people it would definitely be my choice but under 5 people I might choose something else , RX330, X5,MDX,FX35. I think vehicles that go for big bucks (> 30,000) that are not luxury marquis i.e. Lexus, Cadillac etc have a hard time justifying their price to the public. Those people IMHO expect better level of service and treatment. That's why I think some worthy vehicles have not sold well, Mazda Millenia (after a few years), Mitsubishi Diamante and maybe the 04 Nissan Maxima and Murano. Chrysler does make some of the most attractive vehicles out there and I hope it can achieve it's goal as becoming the premier American division of DC.
Congrats to those who bought one. I'm sure you made an excellent choice!
Wildcorgis
Please go back to the BMsnob, oops, I mean the BMW board and stay there!
MSRP is $40,385".
I understand why you are touchy. NY dealers are knocking almost $8k off the sticker of loaded-to-the-gills Ps that are collecting dust on the lots. Dealer I spoke with said I should come back in late July and they will be in around $31k. Until they get the second row bench, though, it is not as practical as my current Taurus wagon.
I am, however, very upset with the way Chrysler is treating those of us who purchased early in good faith, only to have Chrysler offer incentives when they said they would not.
For those having difficulty finding the incentive web site, here it is:
http://apps.edmunds.com/new/2004/chrysler/pacifica/100218687/ince- ntives.html?vdp=off&setzip=14127&state=NY&tid=edmunds- .n.incentives.incentives.3.5.Chrysler*
Notice there is also a $500 cash to the dealers to "assist with a trade in". Returning lessees need not apply!
I was reading Popular Mechanics at the barber shop this weekend and it had sneak peeks at the Ford equivalent of the Pacifica, the Freestyle. Based on the Taurus platform. How is this for decision making, they will have V6, V8, FWD, 4-wheel drive and AWD models. That is what I hated with purchasing a Ford, just way too many options when looking at what's available on the lot. The Pacifica was a nice easy purchase with limited options and good options at that.
I'll let the board know if/when I hear from DCX on trying to be compensated at all for being a purchaser less than 10 days before the $1,000 incentive went into effect and the promises made by the dealership of no incentives for 6 months to a year.