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I will take your advice and speak to the dealer about borrowing a Pacifica for the day. Making sure that it is black with the DVD. My wife wants a vehicle that is "meaty". Meaning something larger like the Montero or Land Cruiser. I cannot afford the Land Cruiser so that is not an option. I have told her that the Pacifica is actually larger (length and width)than the Montero, but the height is not there which is deceiving.
Anyhow, there are some great deals to be made with the Pacifica which motivates me even more. If anyone else has any ideas as to how I can convince my wife that this is the right vehicle for the three of us, I would love to hear from you.
The Pacifica is a very appealing station wagon.
But the $ prices from 30-40,000 seem high.
However , as someone else said , people will pay extra , even $ 10,000 extra , for something they find appealing.
From 8.3 to 7.1 is acceptable... not sure about going to 5.9", even though I do like Pacifica. My list is getting shorter (after driving and hating the Honda Pilot), with Murano still in first place, Pacifica second, and both of them "first year", which makes me nervous.
Maybe I should just sell off some offspring and get the BMW X5.
I'm left with a few choices: Highlander, Mitsubishi Endeavor (or other), Subaru Forester (maybe Outback), and another Pathfinder (worse things could happen), and maybe Pacifica (haven't ruled it out, and I do really like it).
Trying to get away from "truck" (and anything easy to roll, with a rough ride). I was looking for something exciting or interesting (Murano and Pacifica win those criteria).
http://www.msnusers.com/chryslerpacificaclub/Documents/pacifica%2- Dcomparison.pdf
Otherwise the Volvo X90 looks like a winner. The X5, based on reliability per recalls and CR, seems like an expensive joke.
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hehehe yeah I wonder if sometimes if there isnt alot of influence (Car and Driver) was under the spotlight last year for taking perks from the big automakers.
the Volvo (forget getting a deal on them) they are sold before they hit the lot from what I hear.
I just noticed your outrageous message. "The Pacifica screams wagon/minivan". This is not true. For one, it doesn't look a bit like a minivan due to no sliding doors. And it is too tall to be a wagon.
Outrageous? I've said some outrageous things, "The Pacifica is a minivan." isn't one of them. There have been many minivans that didn't have sliding doors. It's not just doors, it's the sum of all parts, and in this instance, they equal a minivan. Size + clearance + seating + weight = minivan.
Some full sized vans have sliding doors but, they aren't minivans. Some full sized vans have hinged doors but, they aren't wagons.
Anyway, who cares?
Then I saw how much it would really cost after getting all the stuff in it the Pacifica has...mainly the 3rd row seating. Popped the price up well over 44K. No DVD option and currently only a turbo engine, something I never wanted at all due to added maintenance $$$.
I loved my Volvo...thought I'd always drive one especially due to the safety factor. I have to say though that with the safety features built into the Pacifica and its resulting 5-star crash rating, I feel just as secure and am carrying around an extra $12,000 in my pocket.
My brother in the business always sticks with Explorers but I just have never been impressed with them myself, thats why I went with a Minivan the last time. Its cargo space was very useful and I prefer the more car-like ride it provided.
Anyways, I have to admit to not looking at every vehicle out there, I was prepared to get a Explorer (cuz thats just customary here) or other SUV but I just wanted something a little different, and that was the Pacifica.
I literally typed in crossover vehicle (my brother told me of the term) in "Google" and up popped the Pacifica! I loved the look of this thing and it seemed perfect for what I need. Some cargo space if needed, 3 rows of seats and to top it off it oozes style! I bought one a few weeks later and get compliments, double takes and rubber necking every day. My brother drove it and came away mighty impressed too. Since it is a company vehicle we went with pretty much a base model but to call it a base model is insulting. The standard features are so plentiful it looks and feels "fully loaded" to me! The only small downsides are I am averaging only 15.2 miles per gallon and it might be "slightly" underpowered, but, to me it certainly doesnt feel sluggish in the least. It really feels about right when you think how big this vehicle really is. I dont wish Chrysler bad luck by any means but it feels kinda cool right now when your the only one around driving one of these. I have seen only 3 others on the road in the Cincinnati area so far but expect to see more. I thought the PT Cruiser was pretty cool lookin when it first came out till every other car you see now happens to be one. Bottom line is the Pacifica has performed superbly so far and my complaints are negligible at best. Love it!
Please drop me an e-mail at my Edmunds profile address so I can ask if you know him.
Chrysler's Pacifica in Re-Launch
Sales of Chrysler Pacifica picked up in June after a slow May, with 6642 deliveries in June.The touring wagon, having difficulty getting noticed, will be the subject of a new advertising effort in July in which it is compared with Acura MDX and Volvo XC90. Chrysler launched the much-anticipated Pacifica with all high-end, loaded $37,000 versions that easily topped $40,000 with tax and extras. Now the company is rushing front-drive versions to dealers that will retail around
$31,000-$33,000. The comparison ads, say Chrysler dealers familiar with the plan, will put the
vehicle in the category in which it is meant to be judged. "People didn't know what to make of it when it first arrived...a $40,000 Chrysler station wagon?" said one dealer. Sales chief Gary Dilts
said dealers are pushing test drives of the Pacifica to customers visiting the dealerships for
service. Each test drive gives customers a chance to win a free Pacifica. A similar program is starting for the Ram pickup. Dilts said the company probably erred in stacking the early inventory of Pacificas with loaded versions. "We did the same thing with Ram, and it worked out alright," said Dilts. —Jim Burt
I really didn't want AWD or DVD, but the first Pacifica my dealer got had everything else I wanted in my choice of color, so I paid the extra amount. Am I sorry I did? No way! As I said before, some feelings are worth more than money.
Went to the Air Force Museum & saw yout beloved B25 "Mitchell" and a whole lot more.
The new (3rd) building is open, and my 8-year-old got close up and personal with his favorite, the SR-71 "Blackbird".
I just purchased a small 1 1/2" X 2 1/4" convex mirror for my driver's side mirror from my auto parts store. I'll let you know how it improves side visiblity.
For Volvo, I love them (have owned 5 of them), but that $50k+ CAD price, non-negotiable, as someone mentioned, waiting list, snooty sales and service staff, outrageous parts and service costs... well, I could buy two cars with that kind of money, and two cars is not an unthinkable proposition (one for the SO, and one for tax advantages).
The XC70 and the XC90 are both wonderful, comfy, and all of that, but... out of the question this time around.
b25nut: Please do report on the mirror, because Pacifica does have an awkward view of what's around it.
Ummm, well, the full size Ford E-Series van has a "Sliding Side Cargo Door" (per the Ford web site), and Chevy also offers a no charge "Door, sliding passenger side -- Code: YA2" on their full size Express van (per the Chevy web site).
Best Regards,
Shipo
Does anyone know if there is a good 3rd party supplier for this that would work on the Pacifica?
If I get my money I am expecting ( publisher clearinghouse send me another notice that i may have won)I might like to get a Pacifica.
It reminds me of my dads old Dodge Monaco Wagon.
The car had a 383 with a 2 barrel carb.
I wonder if the Pacifica is faster than that car.
I think the Monaco Wagon was a few hundred lbs lighter.
I am still waiting for it to arrive... just broke the 300 mile breakin - so its off to the dealers tomorrow for my first oil change (I know not needed due to manual) but I like to get the first oil out before I go over the 55 mph mark after break in (hey its free anyway from the dealer - first oil change)
The Pacifica did very well. They did not like the fuel economy, engine noise or engine performance. Other than that, they gave it a very good review. They put it up against the Murano, Trailblazer, Pilot, etc.
I did not read the full article yet, but I read the Pacifica part and saw that it did very well against the competition.
I don't even know how to respond to this. I can't think of a full sized van that doesn't offer sliding doors. My family has owned 4 with a sliding door. The first was a Leisure Van conversion made out of a Ford Econoline. I think we bought it around 1976. The last was a GMC Savannah.
I'm pretty sure many of GM's minivans also could also be had with hinged doors.
A couple more choices (though it is much, much, much, more a truck) is the Durango. It guzzles gas but, my cousin just bought a new one basically loaded for $22,800 (with employee discount). They're clearing out the old body style.
Or a vehicle that's much more fun to drive than just about anything in it's class is the Mazda MPV. In ES trim, it's pretty nimble. (And I think it looks pretty darn cool) The third row folds under and flips backwards so you can use it while tailgating. The windows in the side doors roll down, and the 2nd row seats move to form a bench or captains chairs. It's got the DVD thing. It comes with a 200hp 3.0 V6. And, I think it got 5 stars all the way around for crash tests too. PLUS, there are incentives galore depending upon your region.
Happy shopping.
On a side note, I don't think you'll find too many vehicles comparably equipped to the CR-V much cheaper. And it's fuel economy is generally about 25% better than anything in it's class. However, while it's cargo room is good for it's class, (actually the most in it's class) it is only half of what the Pacifica offers. That's why I was surprised you mentioned the Outback and the Endeavor. But, I'm not going to mention it again as it obviously isn't anything you want. That, and this isn't the place.
I went with the full dash kit from Joshua Tree,http://www.woodtrim.com/info_home.cfm
The kit is of very fine quality, and after the nervous installation of the first piece, (pick a small flat-area), easy to install.
I sent pix to Joshua Tree, and will post a link when thay are available.
This is not a sports car!
After 4300 miles in our Pacifica, the last 1100 loaded to the gills on a trip, I can honestly state that the power is very adaquate.
Power was a big concern with me, after 130,000 miles in two 300Ms, but I have not felt at a loss for power yet. Sure, the more power the merrier, but I am satisfied that the 3.5 will perform well over the life of the car/truck/SUV/minivan/whatever.
A $3. solution sounds like a good thing. I backed up and parked the Pacifica (about 3 feet away from a fence that I thought I was inches from).
I think you get used to it. Getting used to it is where several of the dings on my Pathfinder came from.
For CR-V: 15" wheels, small cabin, small engine... made for someone else, and I'm sure it's great. I want a huge, roomy, comfy machine! I DO NOT want any 4-banger of any type or description. They DO NOT deliver, and they make a ton of noise about it, and use the same amount of fuel as my PF. I do not want my passenger in my lap, or resting their left arm on my controls, or in my "space".
Durango is a huge monster truck, rides like one, and uses gas like one. I don't need to haul a boat, so no V8. I want something like, say... what's the name of this board?... oh, yes, Pacifica!
MPV is a minivan. I haven't even tried one, and do not intend to. I tried a Rendezvous and nearly puked (and that was just from looking at the baby's room wallpaper they covered the seats with).
Endeavor won't be out for a while, so I can't consider it. Outback doesn't "do it" for me (I just plain don't like it), and neither does Forester.
If the Acura MDX is priced below Pacifica, I had best check that out. I had the impression it was priced with the Lexus and BMW. The MDX looks like it might do it for what I want and need.
There is not much I have not driven in the last month, in the "crossover" category, and under $50k CAD.
I'm still at #1, Murano, #2, Pacifica
It had an unidentified $1015. reduction in price from MSRP ($46,000 in Canada, AWD, no options).
On the Chrysler Web site, it does say that leather is an option, so they are very confused. There are a lot of specs misssing (fuel economy, etc.), so it looks like they haven't really decided what they're doing, and how they'll do it.
By the way, both test drives were great. This will not be an easy decision. Of course, I told the sales person to call me when they duplicate the deep discounts the US has just seen. Of course, he pretended like that was not going to happen, ever, in any universe.
Of course, I ignored that, refused to let him "price" it until he knocked several thousand off, which he was not ready to do, so ... back into the PF.
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the Endevor (on the other post) is out. I test drove one last week before I got my Pacifica. the Mitsubishi Endevor. Nice SUV looks like a Jeep Laredo. But has no real options other then Leather. NO DVD, No big Stereo... so no toys ... if you want a simple SUV worth looking at... and if you buy something else hey you get $100 for looking ;-)
Pacifica is supposed to be (in Canada) available in two trims: FWD or AWD, both with leather (according to the literature, but I've seen a cloth-seated Pacifica).
Options are the DVD, the 5.1 sound, and a few others.
Toyota is big on option packages, even in Canada, but the rest are pretty much as they are (with a few model choices, 2-3).
If they haven't figured out they will have to discount this puppy, too bad for them.
They're starting to act like Volvo dealers, and most of them know less about the vehicle than I have learned here and other places on the Web.
Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind.
The Montero is too big. I'm going "smaller than PF" with more comfort and more car-ride.
Suzuki is the only one I have not yet tried. I'll get to it before final decision, but it has not turned my crank yet, from looking at ones on the road, and parked. Doesn't look like anything special, but deserves a ride. It is in the category and price range for me.
Thanks for the input, libertcay!