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How does gas at $4 and higher impact you?

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Sorry guys, had to show there is some good things about CA. Gas prices are not one of them.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Local TV news reports ALWAYS mention contrived market related issues and never bring up speculators. Of course, when you get enough gold, you can buy the news.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    So you can no longer afford to drive your car and start riding your bike. Guess what the people that brought us $5 gas now want to charge you to ride your bike.

    New East River Bridges Toll Proposal Goes After Everyone, Including Bicyclists

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/23/renewed-calls-to-add-tolls-to-east-river-- bridges/
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Time to get a rowboat docked at the East River!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I've carried my bike in my canoe before - just need a trailer for towing the canoe on the other side. :D
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "A new Consumer Reports study says that more than 20 vehicles, including the Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD LTZ, Ford F-250 Lariat and Ford F-150 XLT V8, go beyond the $100 mark to fill up at the pump.

    Other vehicles on the list include the Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie, Ford Expedition EL Eddie Bauer, Chevrolet Avalanche LT and Audi Q7 Premium Plus. Rounding out the top 10 on the list are the Mercedes-Benz GL 450, Porsche Cayenne V6 and Lincoln Navigator Ultimate."

    $100 Fill-Ups New Reality for Some Drivers (Inside Line)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    edited March 2012
    I dropped nearly $45 to fill up my Escort yesterday, and I put less than ten gallons in the tank! THIEVES!!! :mad:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    lol, and what's the main export of the state where you live again Wes?

    Guess it only becomes thievery once it's refined. :D
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    My Expedition has a 28 gallon tank, at 4.09 a gallon it's certainly possible to have a $100 fill up. Closest so far has been $94.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I filled up my '67 Catalina the other day, a car with a 26 gallon tank. Usually the first fill-up of the spring uncovers a hideous mpg of the previous tank. Often less than 7 mpg. Well, imagine my shock, when it only took something like 11.5 gallons, yielding an average mpg of the previous tank of an impressive 10.6 mpg!

    I thought something was wrong and maybe the fuel pump cut off early. But then, I remembered that back in October I drove it to pick up some friends and then drive to a classic car show in Rockville MD, and probably put about 60 miles on it that day, a good deal of it highway.

    I remember back in 2004, when gas prices broke $2/gal, whining when one day it took over 60 bucks to fill the car up on a mostly empty tank. Guess those days are gone for good!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    Well, considering that a dollar is worth about a third of what it was in 2004 (regardless of what CPI says), I have to say, "yes." Those days are gone for good. :(
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think the CPI has been low as a result of radical housing value losses in a few locations. Have you seen any real downturn in housing price in Fairbanks? I think Anchorage/Wasilla avoided most of the big losses. Utilities, rent, gas and food have all gone way up. We have had a little downturn in gas prices. Still nothing under $4 per gallon. Costco is down to $4.15 from the $4.29 peak. I would look for it to head back up by Memorial day.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    How do you figure?
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    Yeah, that's probably a large part of it. There are many places where you can buy for little more than a song. I wouldn't say that housing has taken a "downturn" in Fairbanks... more like a stabilization. The prices were going up, up, up for a long while, with time on the market nearly zilch. Now, the prices are all similar to what they were five years ago, with time on the market generally about 3-6 months (still pretty good, honestly).

    Fuel prices here are continuing to climb: RUG is $4.23 to 4.30 in town.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    There are other factors that moderate CPI (cost cutting... you pay a little more but you get a lot less). For a simple example that can be extended into nearly every realm of "manufactured" good, one might pay only 25% more today for ice cream, but ten years ago that ice cream had 20% more calories in the package and was 64oz (half-gallon) in volume rather than 48oz now. Yeah, it doesn't *look* smaller (due to creative packaging as well as aerating the product), but you're still paying more for significantly less. If you compare apples to apples, the cost-per-quantity is more like a 50%+ increase. If you took today's ice cream product and sold it in the same form and alongside that of yesteryear, there would be a one-quart and two-quart container on the shelf, both for the same price... which would you rather buy? (The same goes for base-price vehicles.)

    Basic goods (including staple food products, construction goods, and the like) are all on the order of 3x+ more expensive than they were 8-10 years ago. The consumer sees the change more transparently in those goods simply because there isn't anything there to cut (except quality) in order to mask it. Because I live simply (most of my purchases fall into the "basic goods" category), I see it every day.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I quit eating ice cream because it cost so much more now that 5 years ago. What I notice is CH sugar as I feed a lot of humming birds. 3 years ago you could buy a 5 lb bag on sale for $1.88. Last sale on CH Sugar was $3.99 for a 4 lb bag. Of course in November of 2008 gas had dropped to $1.69 per gallon. And is now $4+ per gallon. Not much is less other than housing in very depressed markets.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I hear you can buy a condo in Florida dirt cheap these days.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think you may have missed the window of opportunity on FL Condos. Looks like the prices have come back to near peak levels.

    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/371-Channelside-Walk-Way-PH-1901-Tampa-FL-3360- 2/60620644_zpid/
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I saw lots of stuff for sale around St. Pete Beach and the prices still looked good.

    And the gas prices were good when I was there a couple of weeks ago ($3.70s). Getting hot there now already though (90 predicted for today).
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    Yes, sugar for sure! Sugar, flour, any form of milk other than "fresh" (that's only gone up by 40% here).

    There have certainly been ups and downs along the way (products such as honey are very noticeable in this regard), but the trend has continually gone up, and year-over-year increases of 25% are not uncommon.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    $3.70s! That looks real good right about now! :shades:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    The price of gas going from $3 to $4 per gallon means that a person driving 15,000 miles per year averaging 25mpg will pay $1.64 per day more for gas, so for every $1/gal the price goes up, a person will pay another $1.64 per day.

    When I look at the increased cost just in groceries, a one or two dollar per gallon price increase in gas seems pretty minor. I don't hear too many folks complaining about the price of groceries, but I guess that's because the price of gas is much easier to measure and see.

    Personally, I think if somone is really concerned about the extra $1.64 per day expenditure on gas, they'd be better off looking at their driving habits and choice of vehicle. It's pretty funny when someone is driving a $50K giant SUV and then complaining about the price of gas. That's like going to a broadway show costing $500 dollars per ticket and then complaining about the price of the snacks during intermission!
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    It all depends on what you actually spend. I just did an expense comparison (I'm kind of anal about our finances and track everything via quicken)

    YTD we've spent $146 less on groceries vs. the same period last year and $46 more on gas. I've driven the Expedition less YTD than last year to account for the gas costs. Maybe the kids are eating more at their friends' houses, I don't know.
  • busirisbusiris Member Posts: 3,490
    You must admit, grocery stores and commodity suppliers do a great job in confusing he buying public, so that the price comparisons per unit are sometimes all but impossible...

    Example: price shop and compare toilet paper....

    IMO, that's why being on the metric system would make it much easier to compare the price per unit of items of different sizes in the store.... Unless manufacturers began packaging products in odd sized metric lots, such as 493 grams or 1.1337 liters...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    It's pretty funny when someone is driving a $50K giant SUV and then complaining about the price of gas.

    Well, I'm stopping off at the gas station after work to fill up my '79 New Yorker, which is down to about 1/4 tank, and pick of some cigarettes, so I'll do some complaining later on, after I get home! :shades:

    I think the NY'er has only gone about 130 miles since its last fill up, but there was some winter driving and a lot of sitting, so I'll be shocked if it comes out to more than 8 mpg. And it has an appetite for premium, so I imagine that'll be about a $70 fill up.

    The cancer sticks, in comparison, are a relative bargain at around $65 per carton! (oh, and before I get lectured by anyone on those, I get 'em for a friend because they're cheaper out my way. He'll buy 'em one pack at a time otherwise, and end up spending $7-8 per pack!)
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Dang! I can remember when cigarettes were 45 cents a pack back in the early 1970s! My Dad would send me to the corner store with a 50-cent piece or two quarters to pick up a pack of Tareyton or Vantage cigarettes for him. Imagine a store owner selling cigarettes to an 8 year-old today!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    About the furthest back I can remember for cigs was around $1.25-$1.50 per pack. When I was in high school, I worked part time at a veterinary clinic that was next door to a grocery store. Sometimes the lab technician would send me over with some money to get her a pack.

    I didn't think anything of it until one day, I got in line behind the wife of the reverend at our church and suddenly I felt guilty about being in possession of the things! In conversation, sounding guilty as could be, I blurted out "These aren't for me, I don't smoke!" Someone in line behind me yelled out something like "Yeah, right! Like I've never heard that one before!" And everybody in line, including the cashier and the reverend's wife, got a good chuckle out of it.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,680
    Hahahahah; times, they were a changin'! Ten (or maybe twenty) years prior to that, and you might have bought a pack just to pretend like you were a smoker! :P

    I recall my dad and step-mom both quitting the habit in the early '80s. Before that, every adult in my life was a smoker, but after that there was only my (bio) mom continuing the "tradition."
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    "YTD we've spent $146 less on groceries vs. the same period last year and $46 more on gas"
    Maybe you spent more going out to eat and less on groceries!

    Back on groceries, I've noticed that buying larger sizes often is MORE expensive per unit. Next time you buy peanut butter, paper towels or anything else, check the price per unit on the shelf and you might find out it's actually cheaper buying the small size. They price this way because the know most people assume that buying the larger size is cheaper as it has in the past, so most folks blindly buy the larger size without checking.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I recall my dad and step-mom both quitting the habit in the early '80s. Before that, every adult in my life was a smoker, but after that there was only my (bio) mom continuing the "tradition."

    My Grandparents on my Dad's side of the family used to smoke, but I think they were just social smokers rather than chain smokers. When the Surgeon General's warning first came out around 1958 or so, they both decided to quit, and were able to break themselves of the habit in about three days. Of course, cigarettes didn't have as many addictive chemicals in them back then as they do today; so I imagine now it wouldn't be so easy to kick the habit so quickly unless you had incredible willpower. FWIW, Granddad's 97 now, and still kicking! However Grandmom died at the age of 73, back in 1994, from some hereditary disease; forget what it was though.

    On my Mom's side, well, Granddad grew up on a tobacco farm, so needless to say, he and his siblings were rolling their own by around the age of 5 or 6! He was a pretty heavy smoker, enough that I remember as a kid he and my great-uncle would make regular trips over to Virginia and load up, where it was cheaper. Grandmom rarely, if ever smoked, but I'm sure the second hand smoke didn't do her much good. She's still kicking though, at the age of 88. Granddad was diagnosed with lung cancer in late 1989, just after his 73rd birthday. They tried to remove the lung, but once they were in there found out it had spread to his lymph nodes and there was nothing they could do, and he passed away a few months later, in April of 1990.

    My Dad was a heavy smoker as well, but has given it up. For the time being, at least. And a few of my uncles have kicked the habit as well.

    Oh, as for my '79 New Yorker's fill up yesterday, it did better than I thought. Actually managed to eke out 8.8 mpg on that tank, and the fuel bill was around $66.80, only a few bucks more than that carton of Marlboros!
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I always check the per unit price and have found the same thing you have. Another trick produce people use is selling by the Each rather than the pound. Bell Peppers sold by the each generally end up very expensive by weight.

    Our gas is coming down ever so slightly. Paid $4.15 yesterday at Costco. Most stations over $4.30 per gallon for RUG. Premium holding at 20 cents higher. Making it a relative bargain. I guess they do that for the 1%ers that drive luxury cars using premium. :shades:
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    They're showing these really scary anti-smoking commercials on TV depicting victims of throat cancer. Those images are enough to make one throw away the Newports, especially the one with the bald woman with no teeth and a hole in her neck the size of an Eisenhower silver dollar!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Not from where I stand! I was driving to work this morning and noticed an eight-cent jump across the board from yesterday! Are they getting ready to gouge Easter holiday travelers? "Sorry, kids! No chocolate bunnies or mashmallow peeps this year! Daddy's got to fill up the car!"
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The first time I drove to Alaska in 1970, I remember gas being very expensive compared to the USA. What really struck me was the price of cigarettes. I never smoked but signs selling cigarettes for over $2 a pack were in gas stations and restaurants. I thought who in their right mind would pay $2 for a pack of cigarettes. Now that would be cheap.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Holding steady at 3.95 RUG here.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    I occasionally smoke cigars, but they can make cigarettes look cheap.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    At least not the independent gas stations.

    "The pain at the pump is hitting not only consumers but also the owners of America's roughly 110,000 independent gas stations.

    Lower convenience-store sales and hefty credit-card processing fees are also hurting the economics of gas-station ownership, many owners say."

    Pain at Pump Is Hitting Gas Stations (WSJ)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I used to own some oil company stocks, Shell (RDS/B) and Exxon-Mobil (XOM). Never really made much off of 'em, but that's partly my fault. I sold at a slight loss, and bought what I thought would be better investments. Shell had been paying a dividend of around 6% per year, and I think XOM was around 3%, so overall I still came out ahead.

    If I'd held onto them longer, I would've made out okay, as Shell has gone up from $50-55 when I sold it in early 2010 to around $70 today, and I think XOM has gone from around $65-70, when I sold in late 2009, to about $8085 now.

    But I used a lot of those proceeds to buy some Apple and Google, so I'm not crying over spilt oil right now. :shades:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Online cross-shopping data from auto information company Edmunds.com shows that buyers typically compare hybrids with similar conventionally powered vehicles. For example, the conventional Honda Civic is the second most cross-shopped car by people who also are looking at the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight hybrid models.

    “The lineup of alternate-drive vehicles and their premium price points just aren’t appealing enough to consumers to give the segment the momentum it once anticipated, especially given the growing strength of fuel economy among compact and midsize competitors,” said Lacey Plache, Edmunds.com chief economist."

    Many hybrid-car owners buy once -- but not again, Polk study says (LA Times)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Most people calculate the savings and the hybrids just come up short most of the time. Unless you like the goofy looking Prius. My BIL wanted the 2010 Escape Hybrid and when he left the dealership he was driving a V6 Limited that was loaded for $8k less than a hybrid with less stuff. He gets 29 MPG on trips and is very happy as his 2006 Explorer was a gas hog.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    My educated guess about that subject is that the choices are based more on a poor economy than they are on consumers doing math and balking at hybrids.

    When you are struggling and/or worried about your future income, a car payment $100-$150 cheaper per month looks much more attractive in the dealership. Most people don't consider what fuel will cost LATER and then end up regretting the choice of a lower MPG car.

    Then from the story there is this quote:

    It’s hard to know what’s causing the low repurchase rate. One reason is that about 17,000 people purchased electric cars last year, and other data shows that many of those were trading in a hybrid vehicle.

    As we expected, the EVs took some hybrid sales away.

    With Toyota's new line of Prius cars, the hybrid sales are going to see another little spike up in coming months.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Gas Prices Grow More Under Obama than Carter

    Marking the similarities between President Barack Obama's time in office and former president Jimmy Carter's is nothing new. But as of Monday, Obama has hit one more Carter benchmark - both saw gas prices double in their first term of office. [See Where Gas Prices are Spiking the Most]

    In fact, while just barely, Obama has seen an even higher gas price increase than Carter dealt with under his administration.

    Under the Carter administration, gas prices increased by 103.77 percent. Gas prices since Obama took office have risen by 103.79 percent. No other presidents in recent years have struggled as much with soaring oil prices. Under the Reagan administration, gas prices actually dropped 66 percent. When Bill Clinton was president, gas prices grew by roughly 30 percent, and under both Bush presidencies, gas prices rose by 20 percent.


    Which says to me we need an Oil Man in the WH. :shades:

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/04/09/gas-prices-grow-- more-under-obama-than-carter
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Apparently, high gas prices might be causing people to trade in elephants for cheetahs.

    http://consumerist.com/2012/04/average-price-for-new-cars-hits-high-of-30000.htm- l

    Average car price hits $30K+ for the first time ever.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Average car price hits $30K+ for the first time ever.

    As bad as that sounds, when you adjust for inflation, I don't think $30K is all that bad. For instance, my '57 DeSoto, which had an MSRP of around $3800 as equipped, would be about $31,000 today! Now, that was a middle-priced car in those days, but even more common Chevies, Fords, and Plymouths could get pretty pricey. For instance, my grandparents paid around $3500 for a new '57 Ford Fairlane 500 4-door hardtop. That would be around $28,500 in today's dollars.

    Even my Mom's '86 Monte Carlo, which was around $14,500 out the door, would be $30,348 today! And the $22,389 out the door that my 2000 Intrepid cost me, in November 1999, would be around $30,800!

    Suddenly, the $21,500 I was recently quoted for a 2012 Ram Hemi sounds downright cheap! :P
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    I'll keep my paid for elephant that gets 12-17mpg. My monthly fuel bill is no where near what a payment on a $30k car would be. If I can't afford to fill up, I will drive less.

    Though looking at pickup sales, they haven't slowed down at all.
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