I've been real busy and did not have time to tell you thanks for the info you passed on about driving in 4th, using 5th as o/d. I'am still looking for imprinted info on my bumper for towing capacity. I have a QUESTION for you or anybody that relates to the fuel gage. I have fill the tank up for the 1st time, and found the gage only shows the tank is between 1/2 and 3/4 full. I seem to remember someone else with a similar problem several items back. I think the recommendation was to try filling the tank up several more time, if it is still a problem take it in for service. ANYBODY have suggestions???? By the way, I recorded my MPG average and got 22.1. This is around town @ avg of 45 mph/60 mile drive in mountains/80 mile drive on freeway. I think this is good considering I have about 500 miles on it. Right now, I am using Mobil 89 oct. Gas out here in California in the Los Angeles is about $1.33 gal. or 89 oct. (I don't bother looking at the 91 oct. sticker shock!).
CNCMAN.....
Thanks for the info. on Frontier maintenance. I agree with you on the extended life time of platinum plugs. I had an Aerostar(89), prior to my new Frontier(98), and found that I got 90k on the platinums. Also, the timing chain on the Frontier is one of my reasons I bought it. Question...When do the valves need adjusting? I havn't checked the manual.
I think the reason most of us have purchased the Frontier, is more value for the buck. This is the 1st truck is have ever owned, but after a lot of research and driving my overall gut feeling was I liked the redesigned body, new engine(4I) with high end torque, $2,000 rebate, low engine maint., and good gas mileage. The others have their advantages in certain areas, but overall I agree with INTELLICHOICE.
Have a nice Week End to all you Frontier drivers..
LV, I had the fuel gage thing happen for 3 fillups. Then, and ever since, it has cleared up. If it persists a couple more times, I would let the dealer see it. You know how the problem never shows up when you show the dealer. When I had it happen, I was on a trip (1400 miles) and it cleared up before I returned, so I never got to the dealer.
I don't think you can say that a timing chain actuates the valves better than a timing belt, or that the use of a timing chain results in no valve adjustments.
The timing chain/belt simply turns the camshafts. The camshafts open and close the valves by way of a lifter. While a timing chain will definitely actuate the valves for more miles than a timing belt, the valves won't work any better.
Whether or not an engine needs valve adjustments depends on the type of lifter used in the engine. I think most cars/trucks today use hydraulic lifters which require no valve adjustment. If the engine has solid lifters, then periodic valve adjustment would be necessary.
wilco1; I could be wrong, but that is what I remember a mechanic telling me, we also use the chain in our cars, so maybe different valves in there would make a difference. But regardless, my understanding is that the Nissan cars and trucks don't need valve adjustments. Again this is info from a mechanic that works on imports, I am not a mechanic and if I am wrong someone let me know.
There's nothing wrong with an engine manufacturer using a timing belt, and Nissan had them in their cars and trucks also. The 3-liter v6 engines, for instance. There are many high-quality engines with timing belts. They should be changed at about 60,000 miles, but it's relatively inexpensive compared to changing a timing chain. And timing chains not only sometimes need replacement because of stretch or link failure, the spockets have also been known to wear. Whether it's a timing belt or timing chain that breaks, the supposed danger is that the piston can strike a valve that is left hanging open. I have never known anyone who that has actually happened to, but that's the fear.
As far as hydraulic valve lifters which obviate the need for periodic manual adjustment, they've been around for about 40 years, and I'd guess that almost every automotive engine made today has them, not just those made by Nissan. In the early days of hydraulic valve lifters, they used to "stick" and cause a valve tap which sounded like the engine needed valve adjustment, but that was due to the lousy engine oil that was used in the '50s and '60s. Today's engine oils are superior, so that doesn't seem to be the case any more. I've driven several cars and trucks well over a hundred-thousand miles without ever having valve-tap problems. That includes an '87 Nissan pickup which, incidentally, had a timing belt that was changed religiously at 60,000 miles.
DV..... Now that we are into Fall, how is your weather in New England? ( I think that's where you said you did some of your driving). As you get into winter, how do you drive in the snow and ice. Do you have to change tires, or drive with chains? I have herd that in some states, folks have battery warmers. Here in California at the 2,500 ft level we have all 4 seasons. Summers at peak are around 105, winter around 40's (average). Can get as low as 10's, but not often. Usually get snow around last to December that amount to 1 ft. Usually, don't need tire chains, because we live off main road and it get plowed soon after snow. As far as getting to work, which is 50 miles away. I take the day off. Looking forward to first snow to see how the new Frontier handles. Someone has said that if you put some weight in the back, traction is better. What is your experience?
I own a 1998 Nissan Frontier King Cab XE. It replaces a 1996 King Cab XE that Nissan Corp. bought back under the Alabama Lemon Law. It has been a pretty good truck so far except for a nasty vibration at 55 m.p.h. and the white paint has numerous defects (rust-colored stains). Anyone out there with bad white paint?
Curt, Does it clean up with a good wax job but then come back? I have heard of this problem before. It is caused by minute metal from shipment by rail. Supposedly, a vehicle can get metal wear from the train wheels against the tracks. It doesn't really show on other colors. Don't know if this applies to you. Hope not, cause nothing I had ever heard can fix it.
As far as your vibrations, check to see if your tire pressure is as Nissan calls for. When I got mine the tires were over inflated and it cause a little shake. Gone with proper pressure. Otherwise I would have the dealer balance the tires, and maybe an alignment.
Larry, I am in Saratoga Springs, NY. We have had a couple of frosts. Leaves are beautiful. For 3-4 months, a weekly snowfall of 3-6" is always possible and two storms of 12" + for the season are probably a good averages. I will probably use a couple of snow tires or stick with the 4 seasons when they are real new. The tire/wheel packages that you can buy mail order are a good deal. I will put some weight in the bed. I probably will put three 80 lbs sand tubes that you can buy in the front of the bed, in front of the rear axle. And then drive within reasonable speeds. DP
Thanks for the advice on the paint. Unfortunately the stains appear to be in the paint itself and they won't come out even with rubbing compound. I noticed that other white models (Frontiers only) currently at my dealer's lot also have the same problem. As far as the tires, I had them overinflated to 34 psi; I will take your advice and put them to Nissan spec.
to curt3; sorry to hear about your paint spots, I looked at the three white ones we had on our lot very closely, I could not see these rust spots, this makes me think that maybe your dealer got a bad shipment or something in the atmosphere by you is causing it, I have seen those spots before on 94 white maximas and some new oldsmobiles also, so I think it may be environmental, regardless, my recommendation is to bring it as soon as possible to your dealer so they can figure out what it is, you do have a warranty for defects in the paint, but the longer you wait the more suspicious it appears, they should be able to help you from there.
to curt 3, I'm not a Frontier man but I have stains that will not polish off by platium gold front bumper on a new Sentra. I thought that it was bug stains that penetrated the pores of the paint.
I may need to return this car to the dealer to have them look it over!
curt, It still could be that rail dust. I remember my friend going to a special shop to have the paint polished. Have you had it looked at? A good detailer or body shop might be a good second opinion besides the dealer. Have you gotten any info from the dealer? Let us know. DP
I now own a Frontier that Nissan Motors swapped me for a 1996 Nissan Truck that had been giving me a lot trouble starting after getting hot. After eight visits to the dealership and 30 calendar days in the shop since late June of this year, Nissan provided me with a new Frontier in September after I initiated a buy back under the Lemon Law. The dealership changed the fuel pump, the fuel"press?", and performed the diagnostics recommended by the engineers at Nissan Motors but still did not fix the problem. The truck continued to surge at highway speed, the engine light continued to come on, and it would not crank when hot. Needless to say, the mechanics got fed up with the truck and me. In the long run, however, I did come out ahead in that I got a new truck for the payoff on my '96. Basically I got a Frontier King Cab XE with the appearance package, a bedliner, and floor mats for $10,000. I took the advice of a previous Frontier owner and reduced the tire pressure and she rolls smoothly. By the way, if any of you ever want to install a disc changer in your truck, JVC makes a combo cassette/12 disc changer for about $290. I installed it without an installation kit in about 1 hour. The disc changer fits neatly behind the driver's seat next to the access compartment. The deck does not sound quite as rich as the stock deck but the discs are nice to have and this is a lot cheaper than the one available through the dealership. Also, I will get the opinion of a local paint shop concerning the paint on my truck.
Glad the tire pressure thing worked. I Guess that's my claim to fame here. I should jump out here.
Sorry to hear about the first truck. Most of the Nissan truck stories are good quality reports. That is one of the big selling points that ended up selling me. Sometimes a problem can be hard to find. It could be something small and stupid, but if you can't find it you can't fix it.
One question for you. What was your opinion of the Frontier before all this, and what is it now that you have had it for a little?
Glenrose, I have not looked it up, but there has been discussion here about it being a chain, not a belt. That should last until engine overhaul. They don't fail, but the chain and gear system does get sloppy and throw off valve and ignition timing. A belt can fail and depending on the valve travel, can cause impact of valve and piston.
I have liked the Frontier since it debuted. I understand that the '99 models will have body-colored fender trim and improved instrument controls. This is my third Nissan truck since 1993 and I have loved all three of them. Price, quality, and styling are actually quite good. What other company (foreign or domestic) could sell such a well-equipped truck for under $12,000? Many critics of the Nissan Frontier are people who are quite willing to spend an excessive amount on what their pointed-headed friends consider to be trendy. (Landcruisers and Explorers). These people buy 4 wheel drive and never even go camping. Their idea of an outing is going to Ruby Tuesday. I believe that Nissans are incredibly reliable and that my '96 was by far and exception to the rule. This is why I was content with a new Frontier as opposed to getting a refund and heading to the Toyota lot. As far as the 4 cylinder being inadequate, I don't agree. The 2.4 liter puts out as much horsepower as some small 6ers. I have no complaints. If I didn't like the truck I wouldn't be searching the internet for every piece of information I could get about it. Thanks
Don't know about pointed-headed, but I agree that many buyers seem to think they need more than what they really need. How many full size 4x4, V8s are $30k commuter vehicles?
I am actually impressed with what I got for the price. I am sorry I hadn't bought one earlier. I have had some catching up to do, so this one has had extra work. All good so far.
Dave.... Thanks for getting back to me on how you prepare and drive in Saratoga Springs during the winter. I will get me 3 80 lbs tubes as you suggested. We are still enjoying the last of summer. However, did have a 34 degree morning a week ago. Fall, is in the air, but no frost yet in the California High Desert. My wife and I took a week end trip to San Diego. The Frontier had 850 miles on it, But now has 1,054. Most of the drive down and back was on Interstate 15, with speeds still around the 55 to 65 mark for break in. Now that I have passed the 1,000 mi mark I understand that I can now drive at any speed. Is that your understanding? While in S.D., we did a lot of down town driving. Took a mpg check when we gassed up in S.D. to come home and got 26 mpg. (that included the Freeway drive + downtown). I think that is real good on a new engine. By the way. I had that gas gage problem where it did not show FULL, but after 3 fill ups, the problem seems to have gone away. Thanks for the advice.
Curt3..... I would suggest that you take your white paint problem into the dealer right away. As my sales person told me, and you may want to verify it, that you body and paint are covered for 5 years. I can tell you that I have disovered that when they painted my Frontier, the bottom 6 inches have a 4 inch strip of paint that was put on to thick, resulting in run marks. Since it is near the bottom of the body, I think I will leave it. To have more paint there is better, and you can't see it. This underscores the fact that Nissan my have a quality problem. But, so far I am a happy camper with my Frontier and hope to get many years of service with it.
My knowledge is that you are supposed to be easy on the engine and to try not to maintain a constant engine speed for the first 500 miles. I don't remember what the manual said. I have never seen a speed limit, but the faster you drive the harder you push the engine. I would say that unless the manual says otherwise, you have completed the task. I had a similar situation, breaking in on a trip. And got same mileage.
To add, a motor from the manufacturer is already broken in before it is installed in the car. Special oil is still used for break in but is drained and replaced prior to installation. On a rebuild, this break in using a break in oil for the first 500 miles is still the norm.
Looks like that gas gauge thing is quite predictable. First few fillups and it clears up.
I too am ready to buy a Frontier. I have done considerable research on the reviews and the numbers (mostly found here at edmunds.com). From reading your responses to the frontier the general consensus is that everyone enjoys them. I am looking to buy the full package, i.e., power, appearance and comfort 4X4. However, I have heard all positive, does anyone have any complaints?
Scott, Two things you will discover. Slight shake at high way speeds IF your tire pressure is too high. Run at factory recommendation. Also for the first few fillups of you gas tank, your gas gauge will indicate funny, or wrong. It goes away, probably some preservative on it.
I don't have any problems with it. It is a comfortable commuter vehicle to work, and takes a load good too. Was cheap and and gets good mileage. If it is anything like the old ones as far as quality and durability, I will be very satisfied. Have not found any faults. I did just receive a notice to bring the truck in to add an air conditioning hose tiedown. Guess it can rub and fail.
I have a 4x2, 5sp, XE, Kingcab, with appearance package, after market cruise, and bedliner. I paid $100 over invoice, then took $2500 rebate off after tax.
I guess you might say I am "Enjoying the ride". Dave
I posted a while back about vibration at highway speeds. I tried different pressures and nothing worked so I took it to the dealer. Turns out one of the rear tires (Firestone Wilderness HT's were OE), was out of round, so the dealer ordered me a set of Michelin Rainforces (no cost to me). Hey I'll trade a set of Firestones for a set of Michelins anyday. And I had 8000+ miles on the Firestones!
Anyway, I've almost got 10K on it and I'll post my list of pros and cons when I reach that mark.
Dave...... Question for you or anybody else that this may apply to. Do you have what appears to be a paint overspray strip approx. 6" from the bottom of the body. This overspray runs the length of the body. I spoke to another guy who installed my alarm, and he said that his has it to. He said, it's extra paint put their by the factory to reduce the ding marks put up by rocks and sand.
I've been reading most of the posts here and scanning the rest, and even though I didn't find what I wanted, the discussion regarding frontiers vs hardbodies interested me. Maybe this has been beat to death, but as a current owner who is jumping off the nissan bandwagon, I figured another opinion would not hurt.
I have an 86.5 SE 4x4 King cab that I bought new in december of 85. I have loved the truck for 13 years, until a recent string of failures (distributor sensor, clutch, coil, muffler, Emissions canister...) made me realize I was getting to the "nickle and dime" period of maintenance. I felt it was early, at 85,000 miles, but not too far off based on years.
Anyway, my only complaint has ever been that the V6 (only 140 hp back then) is not the most exciting engine, and only gets around 16 MPG around town, where I drive most. It is pretty torquey at low speeds, though, and can pull stumps in low range.
When I made the decision to replace the truck, I looked at the frontier. I was dissapointed that the most power I could get was just what I had, but since it is in a 4-banger, the peak torque is way up the RPM range. Not really good for slogging through the sand at cape hatteras.
I also thought the styling was boring compared to my hardbody. I know it is a little petty to complain about, but certainly it is nice to be proud of how your vehicle looks. My old truck has often turned heads, with its agressive styling and big 31x10.5 tires. Those tires also helped quite a bit on the beach, so form and function were complimentary.
I have also become a homeowner since I bought it, and have more 4'x8' sheets of wood to haul around. I needed a bigger cargo box.
When Toyota came out with the mid-sized t100, I felt sure that nissan would follow suit, and I figured that would happen when I heard they were re-designing the truck, but instead the frontier was the result.
I guess the bottom line is that Nissan has not kept up with my needs in size, but even if that were not the case, I just can't get excited about the power or styling of the frontier.
I don't doubt that Nissan has built a high quality, dependable truck once again, but I felt the F150 better fit my needs now. Still, I think that where Nissan nailed the right styling and performance marks with the hardbody, they missed them with the frontier.
So back to what I came for... How close to avg retail (as listed here or kelly's etc.) are trucks of my vintage and set-up selling for? anybody know? as I said, I have mucho new parts, and have added a cd player, bedliner and cruise control.
This is not overspray, but a thick coating under the finish coat. This is very common these days.
John,
I am not surprised Nissan stayed out of the full size market. Toyota has not done well with the T100, sales wise. They are now starting a new full size that will be available with a V8.
I think Nissan does compact trucks well. If your needs have changed, then you must look elsewhere. I to have done a fair amount of hauling, and have had no problems with 4x8 sheets. Of the non-full-sized, the frontier competes well. The looks are fine with me. I don't find trucks to be to stimulating, though of all of the p/u's, Dodge has the best looks. I would rather I went unnoticed anyway.
As to value of your truck, I don't know, but kelly blue book, edmunds and other sites are good starts and then compare to others for sale. At that age, you probably won't get much credit for extras, but may get some for mileage.
If any of you out there have a Frontier made in the earlier part of 1998 you should have received a recall bulletin from the factory warning you about the possibility of the seat belts getting severed in a crash. Make sure that if you have an early model Frontier that your dealer has placed a protective covering around the front seatbelt posts.
How do you all feel about synthetic oil? I was a firm believer in synthetic oil until I read a Consumers Reports magazine about a year or so ago dealing with the use of regular oil vs. synthetic. According to their test in New York taxis, regularly changed natural oil works just as well as synthetic in cars driven in extreme service situations. I religiously changed my Castrol Syntec every 4,000 in my Nissan truck and Ford Aspire until I read the article. Now if have switched to Castrol 10W40 and change it every 3,500 miles. Any comments?
just wanted to pass on a tip to all you frontier owners out there, I was really impressed when I saw that the 99's had body colored front bumpers and fender flares, it makes a world of difference, I talked to my body shop and they think that they can paint mine for about $250, check it out!
I also wanted to pass on an observation to everyone and hopefully an administrator that may be watching, I read edmund's review of the frontier about a month ago, one big piece of false information was in the review, I have notified the editors, but, they seem to want incorrect information out there for some reason, The review says that the frontier has a "carryover" engine that has pushed the old hardbody for the past several years, did anyone else catch this? Obviously this is not a carry over engine, just popping the hood will tell you that, the new engine came from the Altima, the only carryover part is that it is a 2.4l engine, it is now DOHC instead of SOHC, 16v instead of 12v, has more power and a different torque curve, all edmund's will tell me is "we'll take a look at it" that was over a month ago, maybe I am being too picky, but I expect accuracy from these folks, other wise how can they be trusted as a reference? I would ask anyone else concerned to contact edmunds editors also, maybe they will get the point.
also it is kind of hard to find the editors contact here, try editors@edmunds.com if that does not work, go to about edmunds from the home page and find contact us.
Curt, I have not bothered with synthetics. Although they last longer, you should still change the filter as recommended. It is easier to just stick with regular oils. They are good. I change mine a little less than recommended. With the frontier I am going 4000 to 4500 mi. Recommended for normal usage is 7500.
Just another note, here in Edmunds, they have a list of best resale value for cars and trucks. Using 1994s, Nissan King Cab was second best pickup. Eighth overall after a bunch of SUVs. Hope the frontier keeps this up.
hey dave, did you or anyone else try to contact edmunds about the innacurate info, maybe I am overreacting, but if someone reads the review, they might think, nice truck, but they didn't do anything with the engine. Hopefully I am not just relieving myself in the wind here. I like Edmunds and I expect a certain level of professional journalism.
cncman, No I have not. I had not picked up on that observation. I did a lot of reading, and knew that there where differences in the engine. The Nissan dealer had a reprint of a truckin' article (Feb 98) that described the changes to the head and compression. The Nissan brochere says the engine is new. Is the block the same as the previous? I don't know, but the engine has been refined.
So far I am happy with the power. It seems to be getting stronger and I probably have learned where the power is. But I really would like to see curves. Do you know where I could get HP and Torque curves for the four cyl. engine?
DP and CNCMAN......When I spoke with the Fleet Sales Manager, he told me the 98 Frontier 4cyl has lighter piston rings than last years 4cyl in order to help bring down the Smog emissions. I haven't do a follow up on this, maybe you guys can put this information into the mix. Has anyone tried the Wed site for Nissan to see if they have anyone there that can give us the differences between last year's and our 98 4cyl's?
larry, I think that the best way to cover this is to say what has not changed, 2.4l is about it, it is now DOHC instead of SOHC 4v per cylinder instead of 3, more power, different torque curve, intake resonator, it is basically the engine used in the altima, I know what the differences are, I just want to know why edmunds refuses to change wrong info!
I was looking through an inset in my newspaper on the new 1999 vehicles, and happened upon a picture of a four door (crew cab)Nissan Frontier. This is just what the doctor ordered. It looks like a vehicle that can do about everything; carry more than two people in comfort, do light hauling, (with the possible exception of sheets of plywood)and get decent gas mileage. I have a number of questions. Since the v-6 will be the standard engine, what will the trailer pulling capabilities be? Will it have the option of a manual or automatic transmission? I assume that the stats of the Pathfinder would apply. What about the length of the bed? When can we expect to see one on the lot? Is there any information on the ball park figure of the price? Thanks for your replies.
hey Bruce5, I believe the four door will basically be the same as the 99 frontier out now, 3.3l v6 auto or stick, 3500lb towing stick, 5000lb auto. I don't know the size of the bed but I will let you know as soon as I do. Pricing is only a guess, but a fully loaded 99 se frontier 4x4 automatic, with sunroof, pw, pdl, cd/cassette, security system etc. has an MSRP of about 23k, I imagine a four door with just average equipment, automatic will be about the same. Hope this helps.
Thanks cncman & UJ for the information. Why is it that we haven't seen a four door compact truck on the streets before? I hear that they're more common outside of the United States, Is that true?
probably glenrose, also I just passed 4500 miles on my XE frontier, and I am loving it, I still got 21.8 MPG around town, short trips with the A/C blowing full blast, I work close to home so I really don't do much highway driving.
I HAVE A 98 FRONTIER XE AND ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. I HAVE HAD IT FOR 6 MONTHS AND HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS AND NO NEED TP HAVE IT AT THE DEALER EXCEPT FOR THE RECALL. NO WANDER IT IS HIGH ON JDPOWER INTIAL QUALITY.
hey everyone, check out the december MT, they have a big spread on the new SUV's and SUT's and new 240z concept car in there, looks great, I think this is a major sign of what to expect from Nissan in the future.
Dave.....How is your weather these days. Here in the Antelope Valley in California the nights are getting around the 30 degree mark, no ice very dry. Days are around upper 60's. Took a ride in the local mountains Sunday and the Frontier is great to handle. It glides through the curves. I have about 1500 miles on it now, and the engine seems to start peaking higher in all gears. Well got to go..........Larry
Chilly. Can't say cold because its going to be getting much colder. It's a mental thing. Highs lately have been mid 40s, and today will be less. Morning frosts have been normal for a week or two. This morning was 27.
At 4600 miles now. Seems as though the motor is getting stronger. Pickup is descent. Heat is good too. I should be buying some weight soon, I would not be surprised if we had snow soon. Last year we got a few inches around thanksgiving. I guess there was lake effect snow closer to Lake Ontario a few days back. Be prepared.
Hi Dave....Last night we had a low of 29 and our 1st frost. The high went to 55. Looks like a Pacific storm may get here on Wed. I know the condition called Lake Effect generates snow conditons for you. Not sure how this condition occures since we have no lakes the size Lake Ontario. We usually don't get our 1st snow till mid December. I'll take your idea on getting sand for the truck.
By the way, I ran into an artical on our 98 Frontiers that detailed the changes in the engine over the 97's. I was to tired to do copy and paste, so I'll try in again and attach copy. Finally had a chance to get on the Freeway and get the truck up to 75-80. Rides like a dream.
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DV,
I've been real busy and did not have time to tell you thanks for the info you passed on about driving in 4th, using 5th as o/d. I'am still looking for imprinted info on my bumper for towing capacity. I have a QUESTION for you or anybody that relates to the fuel gage. I have fill the tank up for the 1st time, and found the gage only shows the tank is between 1/2 and 3/4 full. I seem to remember someone else with a similar problem several items back. I think the recommendation was to try filling the tank up several more time, if it is still a problem take it in for service. ANYBODY have suggestions???? By the way, I recorded my MPG average and got 22.1. This is around town @ avg of 45 mph/60 mile drive in mountains/80 mile drive on freeway. I think this is good considering I have about 500 miles on it. Right now, I am using Mobil 89 oct. Gas out here in California in the Los Angeles is about $1.33 gal. or 89 oct. (I don't bother looking at the 91 oct. sticker shock!).
CNCMAN.....
Thanks for the info. on Frontier maintenance. I agree with you on the extended life time of platinum plugs. I had an Aerostar(89), prior to my new Frontier(98), and found that I got 90k on the platinums. Also, the timing chain on the Frontier is one of my reasons I bought it. Question...When do the valves need adjusting? I havn't checked the manual.
I think the reason most of us have purchased the Frontier, is more value for the buck. This is the 1st truck is have ever owned, but after a lot of research and driving my overall gut feeling was I liked the redesigned body, new engine(4I) with high end torque, $2,000 rebate, low engine maint., and good gas mileage. The others have their advantages in certain areas, but overall I agree with INTELLICHOICE.
Have a nice Week End to all you Frontier drivers..
LV
I had the fuel gage thing happen for 3 fillups. Then, and ever since, it has cleared up. If it persists a couple more times, I would let the dealer see it. You know how the problem never shows up when you show the dealer. When I had it happen, I was on a trip (1400 miles) and it cleared up before I returned, so I never got to the dealer.
DP
I don't think you can say that a timing chain actuates the valves better than a timing belt, or that the use of a timing chain results in no valve adjustments.
The timing chain/belt simply turns the camshafts. The camshafts open and close the valves by way of a lifter. While a timing chain will definitely actuate the valves for more miles than a timing belt, the valves won't work any better.
Whether or not an engine needs valve adjustments depends on the type of lifter used in the engine. I think most cars/trucks today use hydraulic lifters which require no valve adjustment. If the engine has solid lifters, then periodic valve adjustment would be necessary.
Can anyone else clarify? I'm no expert.
wilco
I could be wrong, but that is what I remember a mechanic telling me, we also use the chain in our cars, so maybe different valves in there would make a difference. But regardless, my understanding is that the Nissan cars and trucks don't need valve adjustments. Again this is info from a mechanic that works on imports, I am not
a mechanic and if I am wrong someone let me know.
As far as hydraulic valve lifters which obviate the need for periodic manual adjustment, they've been around for about 40 years, and I'd guess that almost every automotive engine made today has them, not just those made by Nissan. In the early days of hydraulic valve lifters, they used to "stick" and cause a valve tap which sounded like the engine needed valve adjustment, but that was due to the lousy engine oil that was used in the '50s and '60s. Today's engine oils are superior, so that doesn't seem to be the case any more. I've driven several cars and trucks well over a hundred-thousand miles without ever having valve-tap problems. That includes an '87 Nissan pickup which, incidentally, had a timing belt that was changed religiously at 60,000 miles.
Now that we are into Fall, how is your weather in New England? ( I think that's where you said you did some of your driving). As you get into winter, how do you drive in the snow and ice. Do you have to change tires, or drive with chains? I have herd that in some states, folks have battery warmers. Here in California at the 2,500 ft level we have all 4 seasons. Summers at peak are around 105, winter around 40's (average). Can get as low as 10's, but not often. Usually get snow around last to December that amount to 1 ft. Usually, don't need tire chains, because we live off main road and it get plowed soon after snow. As far as getting to work, which is 50 miles away. I take the day off. Looking forward to first snow to see how the new Frontier handles. Someone has said that if you put some weight in the back, traction is better. What is your experience?
Does it clean up with a good wax job but then come back? I have heard of this problem before. It is caused by minute metal from shipment by rail. Supposedly, a vehicle can get metal wear from the train wheels against the tracks. It doesn't really show on other colors. Don't know if this applies to you. Hope not, cause nothing I had ever heard can fix it.
As far as your vibrations, check to see if your tire pressure is as Nissan calls for. When I got mine the tires were over inflated and it cause a little shake. Gone with proper pressure. Otherwise I would have the dealer balance the tires, and maybe an alignment.
Larry,
I am in Saratoga Springs, NY. We have had a couple of frosts. Leaves are beautiful. For 3-4 months, a weekly snowfall of 3-6" is always possible and two storms of 12" + for the season are probably a good averages. I will probably use a couple of snow tires or stick with the 4 seasons when they are real new. The tire/wheel packages that you can buy mail order are a good deal. I will put some weight in the bed. I probably will put three 80 lbs sand tubes that you can buy in the front of the bed, in front of the rear axle. And then drive within reasonable speeds.
DP
sorry to hear about your paint spots, I looked
at the three white ones we had on our lot very closely, I could not see these rust spots, this makes me think that maybe your dealer got a bad
shipment or something in the atmosphere by you is
causing it, I have seen those spots before on 94
white maximas and some new oldsmobiles also,
so I think it may be environmental, regardless,
my recommendation is to bring it as soon as possible to your dealer so they can figure out what it is, you do have a warranty for defects in the paint, but the longer you wait the more suspicious it appears, they should be able to
help you from there.
I'm not a Frontier man but I have stains that will not polish off by platium gold front bumper on a new Sentra. I thought that it was bug stains that penetrated the pores of the paint.
I may need to return this car to the dealer to have them look it over!
Thanks, roots1
It still could be that rail dust. I remember my friend going to a special shop to have the paint polished. Have you had it looked at? A good detailer or body shop might be a good second opinion besides the dealer. Have you gotten any info from the dealer? Let us know.
DP
In the long run, however, I did come out ahead in that I got a new truck for the payoff on my '96. Basically I got a Frontier King Cab XE with the appearance package, a bedliner, and floor mats for $10,000.
I took the advice of a previous Frontier owner and reduced the tire pressure and she rolls smoothly. By the way, if any of you ever want to install a disc changer in your truck, JVC makes a combo cassette/12 disc changer for about $290. I installed it without an installation kit in about 1 hour. The disc changer fits neatly behind the driver's seat next to the access compartment. The deck does not sound quite as rich as the stock deck but the discs are nice to have and this is a lot cheaper than the one available through the dealership.
Also, I will get the opinion of a local paint shop concerning the paint on my truck.
Glad the tire pressure thing worked. I Guess that's my claim to fame here. I should jump out here.
Sorry to hear about the first truck. Most of the Nissan truck stories are good quality reports. That is one of the big selling points that ended up selling me. Sometimes a problem can be hard to find. It could be something small and stupid, but if you can't find it you can't fix it.
One question for you. What was your opinion of the Frontier before all this, and what is it now that you have had it for a little?
Glenrose,
I have not looked it up, but there has been discussion here about it being a chain, not a belt. That should last until engine overhaul. They don't fail, but the chain and gear system does get sloppy and throw off valve and ignition timing. A belt can fail and depending on the valve travel, can cause impact of valve and piston.
Dave
I believe that Nissans are incredibly reliable and that my '96 was by far and exception to the rule. This is why I was content with a new Frontier as opposed to getting a refund and heading to the Toyota lot. As far as the 4 cylinder being inadequate, I don't agree. The 2.4 liter puts out as much horsepower as some small 6ers. I have no complaints. If I didn't like the truck I wouldn't be searching the internet for every piece of information I could get about it. Thanks
Don't know about pointed-headed, but I agree that many buyers seem to think they need more than what they really need. How many full size 4x4, V8s are $30k commuter vehicles?
I am actually impressed with what I got for the price. I am sorry I hadn't bought one earlier. I have had some catching up to do, so this one has had extra work. All good so far.
DP
Thanks for getting back to me on how you prepare and drive in Saratoga Springs during the winter. I will get me 3 80 lbs tubes as you suggested. We are still enjoying the last of summer. However, did have a 34 degree morning a week ago. Fall, is in the air, but no frost yet in the California High Desert. My wife and I took a week end trip to San Diego. The Frontier had 850 miles on it, But now has 1,054. Most of the drive down and back was on Interstate 15, with speeds still around the 55 to 65 mark for break in. Now that I have passed the 1,000 mi mark I understand that I can now drive at any speed. Is that your understanding? While in S.D., we did a lot of down town driving. Took a mpg check when we gassed up in S.D. to come home and got 26 mpg. (that included the Freeway drive + downtown). I think that is real good on a new engine. By the way. I had that gas gage problem where it did not show FULL, but after 3 fill ups, the problem seems to have gone away. Thanks for the advice.
Curt3.....
I would suggest that you take your white paint problem into the dealer right away. As my sales person told me, and you may want to verify it, that you body and paint are covered for 5 years. I can tell you that I have disovered that when they painted my Frontier, the bottom 6 inches have a 4 inch strip of paint that was put on to thick, resulting in run marks. Since it is near the bottom of the body, I think I will leave it. To have more paint there is better, and you can't see it. This underscores the fact that Nissan my have a quality problem. But, so far I am a happy camper with my Frontier and hope to get many years of service with it.
Larry
My knowledge is that you are supposed to be easy on the engine and to try not to maintain a constant engine speed for the first 500 miles. I don't remember what the manual said. I have never seen a speed limit, but the faster you drive the harder you push the engine. I would say that unless the manual says otherwise, you have completed the task. I had a similar situation, breaking in on a trip. And got same mileage.
To add, a motor from the manufacturer is already broken in before it is installed in the car. Special oil is still used for break in but is drained and replaced prior to installation. On a rebuild, this break in using a break in oil for the first 500 miles is still the norm.
Looks like that gas gauge thing is quite predictable. First few fillups and it clears up.
Dave
Two things you will discover. Slight shake at high way speeds IF your tire pressure is too high. Run at factory recommendation. Also for the first few fillups of you gas tank, your gas gauge will indicate funny, or wrong. It goes away, probably some preservative on it.
I don't have any problems with it. It is a comfortable commuter vehicle to work, and takes a load good too. Was cheap and and gets good mileage. If it is anything like the old ones as far as quality and durability, I will be very satisfied. Have not found any faults. I did just receive a notice to bring the truck in to add an air conditioning hose tiedown. Guess it can rub and fail.
I have a 4x2, 5sp, XE, Kingcab, with appearance package, after market cruise, and bedliner. I paid $100 over invoice, then took $2500 rebate off after tax.
I guess you might say I am "Enjoying the ride".
Dave
I posted a while back about vibration at highway speeds. I tried different pressures and nothing worked so I took it to the dealer. Turns out one of the rear tires (Firestone Wilderness HT's were OE), was out of round, so the dealer ordered me a set of Michelin Rainforces (no cost to me). Hey I'll trade a set of Firestones for a set of Michelins anyday. And I had 8000+ miles on the Firestones!
Anyway, I've almost got 10K on it and I'll post my list of pros and cons when I reach that mark.
wilco
Question for you or anybody else that this may apply to. Do you have what appears to be a paint overspray strip approx. 6" from the bottom of the body. This overspray runs the length of the body. I spoke to another guy who installed my alarm, and he said that his has it to. He said, it's extra paint put their by the factory to reduce the ding marks put up by rocks and sand.
Larry
I have an 86.5 SE 4x4 King cab that I bought new in december of 85. I have loved the truck for 13 years, until a recent string of failures (distributor sensor, clutch, coil, muffler, Emissions canister...) made me realize I was getting to the "nickle and dime" period of maintenance. I felt it was early, at 85,000 miles, but not too far off based on years.
Anyway, my only complaint has ever been that the V6 (only 140 hp back then) is not the most exciting engine, and only gets around 16 MPG around town, where I drive most. It is pretty torquey at low speeds, though, and can pull stumps in low range.
When I made the decision to replace the truck, I looked at the frontier. I was dissapointed that the most power I could get was just what I had, but since it is in a 4-banger, the peak torque is way up the RPM range. Not really good for slogging through the sand at cape hatteras.
I also thought the styling was boring compared to my hardbody. I know it is a little petty to complain about, but certainly it is nice to be proud of how your vehicle looks. My old truck has often turned heads, with its agressive styling and big 31x10.5 tires. Those tires also helped quite a bit on the beach, so form and function were complimentary.
I have also become a homeowner since I bought it, and have more 4'x8' sheets of wood to haul around. I needed a bigger cargo box.
When Toyota came out with the mid-sized t100, I felt sure that nissan would follow suit, and I figured that would happen when I heard they were re-designing the truck, but instead the frontier was the result.
I guess the bottom line is that Nissan has not kept up with my needs in size, but even if that were not the case, I just can't get excited about the power or styling of the frontier.
I don't doubt that Nissan has built a high quality, dependable truck once again, but I felt the F150 better fit my needs now. Still, I think that where Nissan nailed the right styling and performance marks with the hardbody, they missed them with the frontier.
So back to what I came for...
How close to avg retail (as listed here or kelly's etc.) are trucks of my vintage and set-up selling for? anybody know? as I said, I have mucho new parts, and have added a cd player, bedliner and cruise control.
This is not overspray, but a thick coating under the finish coat. This is very common these days.
John,
I am not surprised Nissan stayed out of the full size market. Toyota has not done well with the T100, sales wise. They are now starting a new full size that will be available with a V8.
I think Nissan does compact trucks well. If your needs have changed, then you must look elsewhere. I to have done a fair amount of hauling, and have had no problems with 4x8 sheets. Of the non-full-sized, the frontier competes well. The looks are fine with me. I don't find trucks to be to stimulating, though of all of the p/u's, Dodge has the best looks. I would rather I went unnoticed anyway.
As to value of your truck, I don't know, but kelly blue book, edmunds and other sites are good starts and then compare to others for sale. At that age, you probably won't get much credit for extras, but may get some for mileage.
Dave
I talked to my body shop and they think that they can paint mine for about $250, check it out!
information was in the review, I have notified the editors, but, they seem to want incorrect information out there for some reason, The review
says that the frontier has a "carryover" engine
that has pushed the old hardbody for the past several years, did anyone else catch this?
Obviously this is not a carry over engine, just
popping the hood will tell you that, the new engine came from the Altima, the only carryover
part is that it is a 2.4l engine, it is now DOHC
instead of SOHC, 16v instead of 12v, has more power and a different torque curve, all edmund's will tell me is "we'll take a look at it" that was over a month ago, maybe I am being too picky, but
I expect accuracy from these folks, other wise how
can they be trusted as a reference? I would ask anyone else concerned to contact edmunds editors also, maybe they will get the point.
and find contact us.
I have not bothered with synthetics. Although they last longer, you should still change the filter as recommended. It is easier to just stick with regular oils. They are good. I change mine a little less than recommended. With the frontier I am going 4000 to 4500 mi. Recommended for normal usage is 7500.
Just another note, here in Edmunds, they have a list of best resale value for cars and trucks. Using 1994s, Nissan King Cab was second best pickup. Eighth overall after a bunch of SUVs. Hope the frontier keeps this up.
DP
No I have not. I had not picked up on that observation. I did a lot of reading, and knew that there where differences in the engine. The Nissan dealer had a reprint of a truckin' article (Feb 98) that described the changes to the head and compression. The Nissan brochere says the engine is new. Is the block the same as the previous? I don't know, but the engine has been refined.
So far I am happy with the power. It seems to be getting stronger and I probably have learned where the power is. But I really would like to see curves. Do you know where I could get HP and Torque curves for the four cyl. engine?
Thanks,
DP
Larry
it is now DOHC instead of SOHC 4v per cylinder
instead of 3, more power, different torque curve,
intake resonator, it is basically the engine used in the altima, I know what the differences are,
I just want to know why edmunds refuses to change wrong info!
This is just what the doctor ordered. It looks like a vehicle that can do about everything; carry more than two people in comfort, do light hauling, (with the possible exception of sheets of plywood)and get decent gas mileage. I have a number of questions. Since the v-6 will be the standard engine, what will the trailer pulling capabilities be? Will it have the option of a manual or automatic transmission? I assume that the stats of the Pathfinder would apply. What about the length of the bed? When can we expect to see one on the lot? Is there any information on the ball park figure of the price? Thanks for your replies.
be the same as the 99 frontier out now, 3.3l v6
auto or stick, 3500lb towing stick, 5000lb auto.
I don't know the size of the bed but I will let you know as soon as I do. Pricing is only a guess,
but a fully loaded 99 se frontier 4x4 automatic,
with sunroof, pw, pdl, cd/cassette, security system etc. has an MSRP of about 23k, I imagine
a four door with just average equipment, automatic
will be about the same. Hope this helps.
on my XE frontier, and I am loving it, I still got
21.8 MPG around town, short trips with the A/C
blowing full blast, I work close to home so I really don't do much highway driving.
a big spread on the new SUV's and SUT's and new 240z concept car in there, looks great, I think this is a major sign of what to expect from Nissan in the future.
Chilly. Can't say cold because its going to be getting much colder. It's a mental thing. Highs lately have been mid 40s, and today will be less. Morning frosts have been normal for a week or two. This morning was 27.
At 4600 miles now. Seems as though the motor is getting stronger. Pickup is descent. Heat is good too. I should be buying some weight soon, I would not be surprised if we had snow soon. Last year we got a few inches around thanksgiving. I guess there was lake effect snow closer to Lake Ontario a few days back. Be prepared.
Dave
By the way, I ran into an artical on our 98 Frontiers that detailed the changes in the engine over the 97's. I was to tired to do copy and paste, so I'll try in again and attach copy. Finally had a chance to get on the Freeway and get the truck up to 75-80. Rides like a dream.
Larry