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fintail

Yeah, those PC people are the worst, if only it was like 1890 again.

jmonroe said:

Anyway, you guys have a nice Canada Day. I just had a thought, our politicians should get together and do the PC thing and call it North America Day. That way we could have the longest parade route ever seen. I kinda don't like that idea but I wouldn't put it past PC politicians.

jmonroe

tjc78

qbrozen said:

Every manufacturer's reliability gives me concern, so might as well drive what I like.

Yes you are fearless.. a Rover and a Chrysler product at the same time! 

jmonroe

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

I don't know why you call us (the USA) your "best friends". Best friends don't tax TWICE for products like your list shows you do for "ketchup and manicure products". I'd hate to think how many times you tax your enemies for these products. :@

Those were in response to your guy putting tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. So there. :@

I understand but why tariff us TWICE for the products I mentioned?

jmonroe

Where do you get the "twice" part? Unless you use ketchup when you are giving yourself a manicure.

C'mon man, ketchup is shown twice in the posted paragraph, just like manicure.

jmonroe

jmonroe

fintail said:

Yeah, those PC people are the worst, if only it was like 1890 again.

jmonroe said:

Anyway, you guys have a nice Canada Day. I just had a thought, our politicians should get together and do the PC thing and call it North America Day. That way we could have the longest parade route ever seen. I kinda don't like that idea but I wouldn't put it past PC politicians.

jmonroe

Oh for the good ole days.

jmonroe

sda

pensfan83 said:

Nice little hit and run on this fine Saturday

We had a similar hit and run about 2 yrs ago.  I was dumbfounded that it was almost $3k in damage, not including the rental.  Thankfully Uninsured motorist insurance took care of it which included a reduced deductible.  I can relate to your  frustration.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

andres3 said:

andres3 said:

So my lawyer scheduled the trial for November, at the County Seat. That's a fair bit of advanced scheduling. Hopefully my opposition transfers to a more lucrative law enforcement agency far far away by that time. https://www.motorists.org/issues/speed-limits/langlotz/ Great study on how the IIHS can post studies with more holes than the Titantic in 2018.

I thought the whole case was tossed out. Guess I read the post wrong.

The whole "El Cajon" East County case was put in the proper place, with a Change of Venue to the County Seat. The failure to appear at a Court I never signed to appear at is what was thrown out. The original speeding ticket that started the whole charade still has to be litigated. Lot of goverment wheels turning for a lousy $250 or so (low over speed on speeding).;

You know you can save yourself a lot of this time and frustration by just slowing down a bit.

If you had paid attention, you'd know I did slow down a bit, that's why this speeding ticket is less than others. 5 over "safe speed" as defined by Mr. LEO (15 over posted limit) isn't as expensive as a speeding ticket for 20 over. The point being that this is all over an argument of 5 MPH given the basic speed law is subject to the interpretation of "reasonable and prudent" given conditions.

Again if you were going slower you wouldn't have to put yourself through this hassle. I have learned a long time ago going slower doesn't add that much time to my travel (and usually going faster just ment getting to the next traffic light sooner) and saved me so much hassle that comes with getting pulled over.

So slow down you'll live longer.

snakeweasel

Now what is this new sign in thing where we have to register as an insider? I have spent my life perfecting the art of avoiding being an insider now you want me to become one? 

suydam

So it was actually 15 over.

qbrozen

andres3 said:

Every manufacturer's reliability gives me concern, so might as well drive what I like.

Surely some dealerships have treated you better than others when there's a problem though?

I haven't owned anything long enough to make that distinction. ;b

Probably had the worst time with my Honda Fit, though. At least as far as a radio issue that was never resolved. Oh, but there was that time my caddy was laid up for 10 days waiting for a replacement exhaust. And having the T&C in for a faulty headlight 3 or 4 times before finally getting it fixed long-term. But those did at least get fixed eventually vs the Honda. And, of course, my poor experience with the 135i, but that is not the dealer's fault. Anyway, this probably only demonstrates why I have no allegiance or a particular bone to pick with any one car maker. My experiences have led me to find they are all pretty darned similar.

ab348

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

I don't know why you call us (the USA) your "best friends". Best friends don't tax TWICE for products like your list shows you do for "ketchup and manicure products". I'd hate to think how many times you tax your enemies for these products. :@

Those were in response to your guy putting tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. So there. :@

I understand but why tariff us TWICE for the products I mentioned?

jmonroe

Where do you get the "twice" part? Unless you use ketchup when you are giving yourself a manicure.

C'mon man, ketchup is shown twice in the posted paragraph, just like manicure.

jmonroe

That's just @driver100 trying to hammer home his point and make his post almost as long as one of yours.

berri

I think the added complexity of recent vehicles probably leads to more ownership issues.

Sorry about the car pens, but at least a good body shop and it will be looking good again. Insurance hassles and hit and run pukes are just part of life unfortunately.

driver100

lol....thanks ab....even I couldn't come up with a reply as good as that one.

driver100

fintail said:

I can imagine the Canadian market choosing non-US cars out of principle alone - I've read this is already being done with other products, and I can't blame them.

Some mysteriously claim this is the "art of the deal" and how things are negotiated, but nobody with any real world knowledge, business credentials (inheriting a slumlord empire from daddy doesn't count), or economic credentials would call it the way forward. It is a cool distraction from Russian laundromats operated in tandem with German banks, anyway.

driver100 said:

I don't know if this part was thought through. Canadians may not buy D3 cars if they become more expensive due to tariffs....when cars from Asia and Europe and the rest of the world will stay the same.

It is a sad day that we have to impose unnecessary tariffs on our best friends...but, it has to be done.

It is surprising how many people have told me they won't be going South this winter. And there are groups who are boycotting American products if there is an alternative (Most fruit and vegetables can be sourced in South America or Africa these days for example).

I will make some changes in what I buy, but, I like our winter in Florida and I am not ready to change my lifestyle because of an ignorant political strategy, that defies logic.

Some experts say this could end up being a good thing for Canada and other countries...it forces us to find new markets to trade with.

driver100

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

I don't know why you call us (the USA) your "best friends". Best friends don't tax TWICE for products like your list shows you do for "ketchup and manicure products". I'd hate to think how many times you tax your enemies for these products. :@

Those were in response to your guy putting tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. So there. :@

I understand but why tariff us TWICE for the products I mentioned?

jmonroe

My other answer: We thought you wouldn't notice and we could get away with charging you twice as much.

explorerx4

@driver100,
So there could be some real estate buying opportunities in FL later this year?

jmonroe

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

I don't know why you call us (the USA) your "best friends". Best friends don't tax TWICE for products like your list shows you do for "ketchup and manicure products". I'd hate to think how many times you tax your enemies for these products. :@

Those were in response to your guy putting tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. So there. :@

I understand but why tariff us TWICE for the products I mentioned?

jmonroe

Where do you get the "twice" part? Unless you use ketchup when you are giving yourself a manicure.

C'mon man, ketchup is shown twice in the posted paragraph, just like manicure.

jmonroe

That's just @driver100 trying to hammer home his point and make his post almost as long as one of yours.

I'm sure you didn't mean "one" post. Pretty sure you meant "some", maybe even all. I wouldn't have the rep that I have if it was only "one".

jmonroe

driver100

explorerx4
@driver100,
So there could be some real estate buying opportunities in FL later this year?

Then, there are always the Vultures......just waiting.........

driver100

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

I don't know why you call us (the USA) your "best friends". Best friends don't tax TWICE for products like your list shows you do for "ketchup and manicure products". I'd hate to think how many times you tax your enemies for these products. :@

Those were in response to your guy putting tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. So there. :@

I understand but why tariff us TWICE for the products I mentioned?

jmonroe

Where do you get the "twice" part? Unless you use ketchup when you are giving yourself a manicure.

C'mon man, ketchup is shown twice in the posted paragraph, just like manicure.

jmonroe

That's just @driver100 trying to hammer home his point and make his post almost as long as one of yours.

I'm sure you didn't mean "one" post. Pretty sure you meant "some", maybe even all. I wouldn't have the rep that I have if it was only "one".

jmonroe

I think he meant....97%!

jmonroe

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
So there could be some real estate buying opportunities in FL later this year?

Then, there are always the Vultures......just waiting.........

With the winters we've been having lately, I've been seriously thinking about becoming a "snowbird renter" but now I think I should be putting the squeeze on Canadian sellers.

jmonroe

driver100

OK.........We paid $130k 5 years ago. Will sell for $180k.

Prices will really drop once Canadians start leaving....bottom may fall out as economy in US tanks with loss of jobs from Tariffs. Canada, is the largest buyer for some states, such as Ohio.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

OK.........We paid $130k 5 years ago. Will sell for $180k.

Prices will really drop once Canadians start leaving....bottom may fall out as economy in US tanks with loss of jobs from Tariffs. Canada, is the largest buyer for some states, such as Ohio.

I'll go as high as 122K all in. It sits for half a year deteriorating, got to factor in no maintenance for that period. Very good offer. Airlines won't even want to fly you in come next November. Then it will be too late because I'll have found another place by then. Going once, going twice...going.

jmonroe

explorerx4

@driver100,
I was thinking more like people who live there full time would be able to afford to be homeowners, rather than renters due to being out priced by part timers.

fintail

If a certain someone mouths off a little more, those groups will only grow in number and scope. I suspect there are similar now in Europe. I also suspect the US will be sliding towards recession by around 2020, and this will greatly exacerbate it. It'll also be a more difficult recovery, as stimulus has already been applied to keep this economy going. Sounds like a fun ride ahead

I am also curious regarding the destination of tariff proceeds. This is an era of graft and grifters.

driver100 said:

It is surprising how many people have told me they won't be going South this winter. And there are groups who are boycotting American products if there is an alternative (Most fruit and vegetables can be sourced in South America or Africa these days for example).

I will make some changes in what I buy, but, I like our winter in Florida and I am not ready to change my lifestyle because of an ignorant political strategy, that defies logic.

Some experts say this could end up being a good thing for Canada and other countries...it forces us to find new markets to trade with.

berri

Remember "Stagflation"? If we don't start getting some common sense I think we may be headed there again. Trade wars lead to shortages, price increases, etc. They will likely also lead to an economic slowdown. I'm quickly losing confidence in our leadership's economic skills. As for Canada and Mexico, they will be hurt too. If it goes far enough down the road, the US may see Chinese warships visit ports in those two countries like we do in Asia. You can only play the "negotiation" card so far before it becomes volatile and potentially out of your control. And remember those school school bullies; eventually someone stronger or smarter than them bloodies their nose.

berri

If you want to keep those gains, party leadership is going to have to step in with some common sense. Personally, I believe after the midterms, the party leadership will start handcuffing him before the economy goes down the tubes and we permanently damage our leadership around the globe. And yes, I don't think the composition of party majority is going to change after the midterms. The other side doesn't seem to yet have a coherent, saleable message. As a country we don't really have the power we did several decades ago. Many of our allies can probably survive without us and many of our enemies now have access to weapons of mass destruction. Meanwhile, we don't have the resources to go it alone really. We have many items that require imports to meet our needs and there really are other Finance centers around the world that can probably displace Wall Street if it has to happen.

abacomike

Back to politics I see.  That’s all folks - see you guys when this stops - I’m done!

berri

More economics than politics Mike and it really has the potential to hurt us and the auto industry we follow.

carnaught

Now back to our regularly scheduled program....cars!

graphicguy

abacomike said:

Back to politics I see.  That’s all folks - see you guys when this stops - I’m done!

houdini1 said:

fintail said:

If a certain someone mouths off a little more, those groups will only grow in number and scope. I suspect there are similar now in Europe. I also suspect the US will be sliding towards recession by around 2020, and this will greatly exacerbate it. It'll also be a more difficult recovery, as stimulus has already been applied to keep this economy going. Sounds like a fun ride ahead

I am also curious regarding the destination of tariff proceeds. This is an era of graft and grifters.

driver100 said:

It is surprising how many people have told me they won't be going South this winter. And there are groups who are boycotting American products if there is an alternative (Most fruit and vegetables can be sourced in South America or Africa these days for example).

I will make some changes in what I buy, but, I like our winter in Florida and I am not ready to change my lifestyle because of an ignorant political strategy, that defies logic.

Some experts say this could end up being a good thing for Canada and other countries...it forces us to find new markets to trade with.

Trump won, Hillary lost. Get over it.

Yeah....not sure where that came from?????! How did this turn into a Trump vs Hillary?

jmonroe

graphicguy said:

abacomike said:

Back to politics I see.  That’s all folks - see you guys when this stops - I’m done!

houdini1 said:

fintail said:

If a certain someone mouths off a little more, those groups will only grow in number and scope. I suspect there are similar now in Europe. I also suspect the US will be sliding towards recession by around 2020, and this will greatly exacerbate it. It'll also be a more difficult recovery, as stimulus has already been applied to keep this economy going. Sounds like a fun ride ahead

I am also curious regarding the destination of tariff proceeds. This is an era of graft and grifters.

driver100 said:

It is surprising how many people have told me they won't be going South this winter. And there are groups who are boycotting American products if there is an alternative (Most fruit and vegetables can be sourced in South America or Africa these days for example).

I will make some changes in what I buy, but, I like our winter in Florida and I am not ready to change my lifestyle because of an ignorant political strategy, that defies logic.

Some experts say this could end up being a good thing for Canada and other countries...it forces us to find new markets to trade with.

Trump won, Hillary lost. Get over it.

Yeah....not sure where that came from?????! How did this turn into a Trump vs Hillary?

Simple, there are Democrats and Republicans in here but that does not mean that this is the forum to dicuss politics. It has to stop NOW before we ruin a good thing.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

berri said:

More economics than politics Mike and it really has the potential to hurt us and the auto industry we follow.

Not much difference between the two as it's being presented.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

OK.........We paid $130k 5 years ago. Will sell for $180k.

Prices will really drop once Canadians start leaving....bottom may fall out as economy in US tanks with loss of jobs from Tariffs. Canada, is the largest buyer for some states, such as Ohio.

Yeah. That almost 300% tariff on dairy products from Ohio's farms and businesses like Dannon really helps sell Ohio products before Canada added any. I thought NAFTA meant no tariffs.

fintail

Who's talking about her?

Your boy is putting the economy in danger as well as embarrassing his country, nobody should get over that.

houdini1 said:

Trump won, Hillary lost. Get over it.

berri

Sorry if I came across as political because I'm actually very much a split ticket, independent voter and voted for neither one of them. But I think the discussion about Canada v US is very relevant to the auto industry as it is potentially the biggest victim if things go haywire. Some think the auto industry is bluffing, but I think the warnings of large impacts on the industry and consumer are very valid. Companies can absorb for awhile, but eventually it has to be passed on through price increases, employee reductions, new product delays or cancellations, etc.

fintail

Gotta compensate for the subsidies given to the dairy industry by the US government somehow. Any numbers on how many Ohio products would sell to Canada without those compensating measures?

I'd like to see a huge tax on purchases by the "investor visa" class where you can buy residency, no "extreme vetting" needed. But a son of a conman son in law of a conman (Jared) is hawking it, so likely no dice.

imidazol97 said:

Prices will really drop once Canadians start leaving....bottom may fall out as economy in US tanks with loss of jobs from Tariffs. Canada, is the largest buyer for some states, such as Ohio.

Yeah. That almost 300% tariff on dairy products from Ohio's farms and businesses like Dannon really helps sell Ohio products before Canada added any. I thought NAFTA meant no tariffs.

fintail

There are zero instances in history of trade wars producing anything positive for real people. There's also zero reason to think things will be different this time. It's almost like none of the mouthpieces have any real credentials or credibility in economics or running a business that wasn't gifted by daddy. Oh yeah, because it's true. And this time, old allies may be able to simply steer around the bluster and carry on.

I'm tellin ya, things are going to get dicey again in the next 24 months, tops.

berri said:

Remember "Stagflation"? If we don't start getting some common sense I think we may be headed there again. Trade wars lead to shortages, price increases, etc. They will likely also lead to an economic slowdown. I'm quickly losing confidence in our leadership's economic skills. As for Canada and Mexico, they will be hurt too. If it goes far enough down the road, the US may see Chinese warships visit ports in those two countries like we do in Asia. You can only play the "negotiation" card so far before it becomes volatile and potentially out of your control. And remember those school school bullies; eventually someone stronger or smarter than them bloodies their nose.

iluvmysephia1

Iluv, I think the problem is spending almost $12000 for a car that is 6 years old and has 61000 miles on it....could be half to 1/3rd of it's life is over. Also, I wonder how hard it has been driven so far....I doubt if the little old lady from Pasadena owned that car. Add to that no real warranty.

I think you would be far better off with the Sentra for about the same price....you know you would have at least 5 more years of life in it, and a warranty. Imagine a one year old Sentra that has depreciated a bit, but still has plenty of life left in it.

I think you will get tired of the driving experience of the Focus when it is in the garage a fair bit of time.

To all of y'all that have posted regarding my little Focus ST foray - including driver100, oldfarmer, andres3, xwesx and stick - yeah, I hear all of you all (I never would have said a statement so "oakie" like that growing up in Seattle - it's the fact that I've lived in Missouri and New Mexico 5+ years now - one hears this kind of talk often enough to start adding up in the memory banks...)but, I am going to just research this one for now. The car was in front of Domino's Pizza on White Sands Blvd. for about 2-3 weeks and no hits for it, now it's in the parking lot of an old thrift store on 10th St. It gets great road view from lots of Alamogordans each and every day, still nobody buying it.

The YouTube car reviewer drives the little 2014 Ford Fiesta ST (loved it a lot) and the 2013 Ford Focus ST turbo model like the one here, and he absolutely loves both of them. Not a loud interior, apparently, and great acceleration. I may be looking at a car that really exceeds my wants and needs. I am doing very well at this job here in Alamo - indeed, the best of any healthcare job I've had since I entered the Allied Healthcare field in June of 2005. I felt comfortable buying a house for the two of us and our now 1 dog and 2 cats.

oldfarmer50 - thanks for your driving comparison input regarding Ford Focii rental rigs. Good stuff ta ponder and your report shines favorably on the Ford Focus of the last 5 years.

driver100 - I see your point, in fact, any of the town's folks that are even a little interested in the small hot hatch are likely not digging the selling price. I'm not scared of the 61,000 miles, but how nasty has the owner's driving experience been to the car? As to the sporty gold-colored hatchback being in the service garage more often than in our home's garage, well, there you have my rapt attention, and you have one of the prime reasons I've bought all Kia since 1999. Excepting a certain sporty 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS in March 2007, the other 3 cars I've bought since then have been Kia's. And my Kia's have done me well, yes they have. So I totally get that part of this, I would of course check the CarFax (anytime now) and also have the car examined by a certified mechanic very closely.

It's pretty wild that I can get a basic '17 Nissan Sentra S 6-speed sedan for only $12,487 with the car having only 665 miles on it. It has a 7-year and 100,000 mile Powertrain Warranty on it as well. Wow, I just learned that now as I prepare this comment. Unbelievable - it's a Planet Nissan CPO Sentra S - I know you all don't like the car, it has a rental car look to you, I understand that. You have to understand that I've totally scoped the car's looks out and I love it. driver100 - you're right, the Sentra S makes much more money sense buying it over the '13 Ford Focus ST.

Yes, oldfarmer50, the '13 Ford Focus ST has the 2.0L turbocharged EcoBoost four-cylinder engine. It cranks out 247 hp and 266 lb-ft of torque. Reading the following from a 2011 Car and Driver article comes this:

Powering the Focus ST is a 2.0-liter turbocharged EcoBoost four-cylinder. With direct injection, variable intake and exhaust timing, and bitchin’ hexagonal center-exit exhaust finishers, the aluminum four cranks out 247 horsepower and 266 lb-ft of torque. A six-speed manual will be the only transmission offered at launch, although Ford might fit its dual-clutch automatic at a later date. (We’ll pass, at least until it feels more like a proper dual-clutch automatic than a dual-clutch masquerading as a regular automatic.)

To help get that power to the ground without jerking the car into the weeds, the Focus ST will have a brake-based limited-slip differential similar to that in the base Focus. (Ford tries to spin it as torque vectoring, but it isn’t.) Ford says that the function of this system in the ST will extend to cornering as well, intervening to limit understeer prior to the activation of stability control. A brake-based system intervening to limit understeer sounds a lot like stability control to us, but, either way, less understeer is more good. To further aid reflexes, Ford fitted redesigned anti-roll bars and dropped the ST 0.4-inch closer to the ground than other Focuses.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2013-ford-focus-st-debuts-in-frankfurt-news

This car would do spins and swizzles all around the 2017 Nissan Sentra S 6-speed stick. But the Sentra S comes CPO with a great Warranty. I'm just kicking ideas around for now - I see a lot to like about this Focus ST. I'd have it checked out thoroughly - I'll read the CarFax shortly. The '17 Sentra S gets a clean CarFax. And, believe it or not, occasionally I actually do pull the trigger and buy a new (er) car, guys! Not often, but it does happen. Having two more years to pay on the '11 Kia Soul 5-speed shouldn't hold a transaction back from happening, the Mrs. will raise up opposition in a large manner for sure, so this one probably won't happen. I just have the online research experience of the '08 Lancer GTS that panned out, plus 3 good Kia's panning out in real life to make me feel like planning out a purchase from internet research, plus my own car experience, plus thorough test drives and planned-out financing makes for a fairly good possibility factor of getting a successful transaction accomplished.

I have my online Michigan friend's Mom's 2002 Kia Spectra that she ran 600,000 miles up on, too, for positive Kia real-life examples to think about, too! Whoa - jmonroe got nothing on this post, whew!!

tjc78

600k in a Kia Spectra.... life is too short.

ab348

Let's be real careful regarding political posts, gang. Nothing can kill a forum as quickly.

iluvmysephia1

Let's be real careful regarding political posts, gang. Nothing can kill a forum as quickly.

Regarding threads being closed on Edmunds, can any of you remember a time when Edmund's 'Cars and Conversations' was shut down? Even very briefly?

berri

I think economic and finance matters impacting the North American auto industry is a very valid conversation topic in a forum discussing the industry. Maybe we just need to be extra cautious on how we write the matters because there are perhaps some who think a position in these areas automatically equates to a political position. It doesn't really because the topic transcends politics and potentially affects all citizens regardless of any political affiliation or preferences they may have. But the whole country is maybe a little too heavily politically charged these days, so I guess we need to ne a bit more careful how we phrase things sometimes. We can argue Ford v Chevy or Detroit v Asia respectful of others views and we need to try and do the same on business topics. But I hope we just don't close our eyes and pretend there won't be any impacts or ramifications from decisions in these areas. Make believe can have sad consequences.

jmonroe

iluvmysephia1 said:

Let's be real careful regarding political posts, gang. Nothing can kill a forum as quickly.

Regarding threads being closed on Edmunds, can any of you remember a time when Edmund's 'Cars and Conversations' was shut down? Even very briefly?

You gotta be kidding. Why test the patience of our Mods?

jmonroe

tommister2

abacomike said:

Back to politics I see.  That’s all folks - see you guys when this stops - I’m done!

I'm with Mike, 100%...I enjoy the car conversations. Why get political? People don't like Obama, people don't like Trump...who cares. Take it somewhere else.

iluvmysephia1

You gotta be kidding. Why test the patience of our Mods?

jmonroe

Hey, you, another Edmunds poster who types up long posts like I do - howdy hi! The point of my post is not politically-driven, nor am I trying to encite a riot of sorts. I'm simply asking all of us hardcores if they can remember Edmunds' 'Cars and Conversations' thread being shut down due to the poster's being out-of-control, or for any reason, for that matter?

I agree, BTW - let's not try the patience of our Mods. Like I may very likely have done about a week and a half ago while being tormented by a toothache and a lack of sleep.

tommister2

driver100 said:

OK.........We paid $130k 5 years ago. Will sell for $180k.

Prices will really drop once Canadians start leaving....bottom may fall out as economy in US tanks with loss of jobs from Tariffs. Canada, is the largest buyer for some states, such as Ohio.

This makes me think, I bet someone measures the impact of snowbirds on FL. I don't think I could begin to guess how much it is...also makes me wonder how many have cars they keep in FL like you do? Do you think anyone tracks that? Heck, maybe FL doesn't even know you are Canadian

roadburner

@iluvmysephia1 I'd have a thorough PPI performed on the ST and if it passes, go for it. If the car doesn't have a raft of aftermarket modifications installed, I doubt it will have been thrashed all that bad.
Of course, I share my automotive mantra with fellow Kentuckian David E. Davis Jr.- "No Boring Cars!"

jmonroe

tommister2 said:

driver100 said:

OK.........We paid $130k 5 years ago. Will sell for $180k.

Prices will really drop once Canadians start leaving....bottom may fall out as economy in US tanks with loss of jobs from Tariffs. Canada, is the largest buyer for some states, such as Ohio.

This makes me think, I bet someone measures the impact of snowbirds on FL. I don't think I could begin to guess how much it is...also makes me wonder how many have cars they keep in FL like you do? Do you think anyone tracks that? Heck, maybe FL doesn't even know you are Canadian

Yeah they do, I told them several times already. It's a tariff thing.

jmonroe

roadburner

tjc78 said:

600k in a Kia Spectra.... life is too short.

As for me, I'd just cut to the chase and choose lethal injection...

iluvmysephia1

tjc78 and roadburner - you guys are cracking me up! No, when I am not in pain and have acquired enough sleep, I'm just fine having my car brand besmerched! Kia is doing very well building long-lasting cars and SUV's with a great Warranty and reasonable prices. The '02 Kia Spectra, though, nuff said!

roadburner - your summation on the little hot hatch is a keeper. I'm gonna write that test's name down and know what it is, and be ready to get it. I agree with your summation, and I didn't see anything resembling mass terror done on the body or it's mechanicals. The sheet on the windshield doesn't say that the person has modded it super-silly in any way. I don't think the price is high, do you? It's listed for $11,500. It's got 61,000 miles on it.

imidazol97

Pedestrian safety--do away with SUV's.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/28/suvs-killing-americas-pedestrians/646139002/