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graphicguy

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

That's pretty cool, although commuting my route on a bike still seems like Russian roulette, given the amount of distracted driving here, and the virtual lack of enforcement. I wonder how that one would fit taller or larger riders.

I saw a woman this morning zooming along on an e-bike - I think scooters here require an endorsement if they can break 30 mph, I wonder if the bike can do so, but dodges the law.

graphicguy said:

There has been a real surge in electric scooters, bikes...and now, motorcycles....

https://electrek.co/2018/07/23/electric-motorcycle-for-2000-usd/

Most states require that ebikes that can go faster than 20 MPH to be registered and licensed and the rider needing an endorsement on their license.

You're right. Same in OH. But, I think they skirt this by claiming it's delivered with a 20 MPH speed limit, but have ways of getting around the issue by limiting the speed with software. Once you find out how to "undo" the artificial limiter, you're off to the races.

jmonroe

Michaell said:

@jmonroe,

Our Outback with the 3.6 gets about 19-21 around town. When we take it on longer road trips, we see 27-28 MPG.

Both of those numbers are bang on with the factory sticker.

How much lead does your wife have in her feet for it to get 15MPG? And, if said lead exists, why are you worried when she chases you around the dining room table? Heck, if anything, you'd catch her first!

I'd say I drive her car as much as she does and she is pretty easy on the long pedal, so it could be me but I doubt it. I don't do jack rabbit starts although I'm sure I test it more than she does. We're going out for dinner, maybe 7 miles round trip. I'll report back in with what the computer says. I know that isn't a good sample size but that's all I can do today.

As for my dining room table trips, I don't want to catch her because the results would be the same. It doesn't sound like you have done much dining room table racing. Just as well since they don't always end well.

BTW, how do you like the 3.6R engine. I know I wouldn't like her Legacy with the 4 cylinder job. Our poster buddy @nyccarguy sure didn't.

jmonroe

xwesx

graphicguy said:

This is my 2nd season with it. In reality, there's very little that can go wrong. The gears are sturdy. I guess over time, the brakes would need some adjustment/replacement. Chain will stretch over time, too.

I suppose the battery only has so many charges it will take before it starts to degenerate. Don't know how many that would be, though.

In short, I think any major maintenance I'd have to do is still a pretty long ways away.

It looked like they used quality bicycle components. I dunno; the one I would want is not available (expected September some time), so maybe I should just bite the bullet and give it a shot with their "zero percent 12-month financing." ~$175 a month for a year with no interest? I'm not sure I could go wrong on that. I just wouldn't get to use it until April 2019.

jmonroe

xwesx said:

graphicguy said:

This is my 2nd season with it. In reality, there's very little that can go wrong. The gears are sturdy. I guess over time, the brakes would need some adjustment/replacement. Chain will stretch over time, too.

I suppose the battery only has so many charges it will take before it starts to degenerate. Don't know how many that would be, though.

In short, I think any major maintenance I'd have to do is still a pretty long ways away.

It looked like they used quality bicycle components. I dunno; the one I would want is not available (expected September some time), so maybe I should just bite the bullet and give it a shot with their "zero percent 12-month financing." ~$175 a month for a year with no interest? I'm not sure I could go wrong on that. I just wouldn't get to use it until April 2019.

Are you expecting a late thaw or what?

jmonroe

explorerx4

@oldfrmer50,
You mentioned Fusion's a few days ago. Titanium's also have LED lighting.
2.0 is the way to go if you need the power. My current Fusion has the 1.5, which is adequate as long as you aren't drag racing or carrying too much weight.

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLt41CdfVv4

abacomike

In order to keep with the rules and regulations of our memberships here on this forum, I preface my post with the fact that my newspaper is delivered to my condo by an employee who drives a 2010 Toyota Camry - they sure do take a beating.  Great survival rate.  Now for my post since I kept with the “car” theme.

Beginning in May of this year, I have contacted and moaned and groaned and called the delivery and subscription department of my local newspaper to report that my newspaper has been delivered 1-2 hours later than their guaranteed delivery time of 6:30 AM on weekdays and 7:30 AM on weekends. Furthermore, on at least a dozen occasions in the past 3 months I got NO newspaper delivered.  Every time I call, I get a customer service rep who, in a very noticeable foreign accent, assures me they have escalated the problems to “upper management” and have notified the distributor of the problem and further assured me I would receive a phone call from the distributor to assist me in solving this persistent delivery issue (no pun intended!).  I have never, ever received a phone call from anyone in all these months and my problems reached a denouement (look the word up guys) with no paper delivered Saturday, Sunday and this morning.  I was at the end of my rope.  My usual phone calls to the paper’s subcontractor that handles deliveries and subscriptions were even more frustrating with promises I would get a call from the delivery contractor.

After many attempts, I called the newsroom of the Ft. Lauderdale paper and asked for help.  I was transferred to a consumer service manager.  She spoke to me in a beautiful Brooklyn accent and I complimented her on her outstanding oral communication skills - she laughed so I knew I was talking to the right person.

After looking up my subscription on her computer and reading all the referrals sent to “upper management” (she laughed at the term UPPER MANAGEMENT) she said, “...and after 26 requests to the delivery and subscription department you mean to tell me no one ever called you to respond to your phone calls and your delivery problems have not been solved?”  I responded in the affirmative.  She first told me that it was obvious the delivery subcontractor did not want to talk to me or he would have called me.  Secondly, she said that talking to the delivery and subscription department, which is located in THE PHILIPPINES, is not solving the problem because all they do is email the distributor- they can’t call him from the Far Western Pacific Ocean area.

She promised to resolve this and said she would call me tomorrow afternoon to report her findings.  Her son went to Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan as well as NYU (like me) and said she will get to the bottom of this fiasco as the mother of an alum.

So, now we shall see what happens.  All I can say is thank God for immigrants from New York - they get down to business! 

driver100

suydam said:

A great example of Bill Monroe’s bluegrass style. He was amazing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYTvj9Z_rlo

WOW, I am not normally a big C&W fan but I love what those guys can do with those instruments.

My only question, which one is JMonroe or does he bring the guys a drink after they perform?

ab348

driver100 said:

suydam said:

A great example of Bill Monroe’s bluegrass style. He was amazing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYTvj9Z_rlo

WOW, I am not normally a big C&W fan but I love what those guys can do with those instruments.

My only question, which one is JMonroe or does he bring the guys a drink after they perform?

He is probably the dude thumping on that big upright bass in the rear.

BTW the guitar and banjo players are Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs, I believe, best known as the artists responsible for the Beverly Hillbillies theme.

oldfarmer50

iluvmysephia1 said:

I'm still searching. I found a 2017 Nissan Sentra S in Aspen White at Bill Luke Tempe selling for $12,500. That's if I finance the purchase through Bill Luke. The price jumps to $13,500 if you bring in your own bank financing.

BASIC INFO
Body: 4D Sedan
Mileage: 5,964
HWY: 37 MPG†
Based on 2017 EPA mileage ratings. Use for comparison purposes only. Your actual mileage will vary depending on how you drive and maintain your vehicle.
City: 29 MPG†
Exterior: Aspen White
Interior: Charcoal
Engine: 1.8L 4-Cylinder DOHC 16V
Trans: 6-Speed Manual

It is a stick and these cars look good in white to me. Less than 6,000 miles? It is a one-owner and the Car Fax is clean.

$1000 more if you don't use dealer financing? What interest rate is he charging and is there a penalty for early pay off?

tjc78

stickguy said:

Right near @stickguy and I

I knew stick was in NJ, did not know where you are. My schedule is pretty tight since I'm only here for 2.5 days before flying to Raleigh then back to Pitt on Friday. Otherwise I would be happy to catch up with fellow Edmunds posters (assuming you would want to ).

I would have been down! Just as well this is week before vacation and it’s nuts for me Stick and I live probably 15 minutes from one another in the same county.

I’m actually on vacation this week at the shore.

Awesome.  This week can’t go fast enough. 

andres3

fintail said:

The woman I saw this morning must have been going 20-25, and this was on an incline. I wonder if the competent authorities will regulate anything, or if it will open the door for more scooters.

Something like that sounds tempting (at least when not raining) for my <5 mile commute, but the local driving talent pool is pretty shallow, and my route has few bike lanes. I don't want to meet my end via a stereotypical local Range Rover driver texting about their upcoming Soulcycle class while "driving".


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graphicguy said:

My FLX bike will do better than 30 MPH. It has a limiter on it. The company "hinted" that I should contact them for a "surprise" after I bought it. It was then I was told it had a limiter. They told me how to remove the limiter (really easy as it's an electric limiter and not mechanical). I've had my bike up to 45 MPH, but that was on a slight downhill.

Of course, the faster you go, the more power you use. Allegedly, I'm supposed to go 40 miles on a single charge. I've never tempted that and usually go no more than 30-35 miles between charges. That's with the limiter on, though.

Meeting your end at the hands of a distracted driver isn't the only negative result possible. You could be injured. As someone who broke a bone last year, let me tell you, injuries suck. And, at our age, you might not heal back to 100%. Talk about diminished value! That's diminished human value! Luckily, I don't play professional sports and make a living with my physical value. I'd say my arm is back to 95% though; not bad.

suydam

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

suydam said:

A great example of Bill Monroe’s bluegrass style. He was amazing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYTvj9Z_rlo

WOW, I am not normally a big C&W fan but I love what those guys can do with those instruments.

My only question, which one is JMonroe or does he bring the guys a drink after they perform?

He is probably the dude thumping on that big upright bass in the rear.

BTW the guitar and banjo players are Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs, I believe, best known as the artists responsible for the Beverly Hillbillies theme.

I HOPE that’s not what they are best known for, given their long and path-breaking musical careers!

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

explorerx4 said:

Back from our OBX vacation.
Took my new truck for the first time.
You've all seen pictures of sand and water, so I'll post this one instead.
Lower left in the quadrant between the dial gauges is miles travelled and upper right is distance to empty.
It actually got a bit better as we drove further.
The real trip mileage overall will be around 21 mpg.

That's good mileage for a truck that was probably pretty well loaded. I might get that with my '15 Genny V8. The thing I will never understand is how I repeatedly got 32 MPG with my '95 Bonneville with the 3800 V6 engine with the A/C on and cruise set to around 65 MPH when I drove back and forth from SC to the Burgh. Even though these drives were limited to only interstate driving, I still think that is very good. I haven't gotten close to that mileage since. I can understand V8's not getting good mileage but even Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 6 cylinder 3.6R engine can't get good mileage. I'll admit I haven't taken the Subie on any trips but putting around town it only gets about 15 MPG.

Hey @venture, what are you getting with your Subie 6 cylinder? Now that I'm asking this, if it is good, I could use that to convince Mrs. j to let me trade in her gas hog. Heck, even if you make up a good number I'll use it as ammo. Don't let me down.

jmonroe

That 3.8L motor was one of the best GM ever made with the exception of the disintegrating intake gaskets. I got over 30mpg in my 91 Olds loaded with passengers and luggage.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfrmer50,
You mentioned Fusion's a few days ago. Titanium's also have LED lighting.
2.0 is the way to go if you need the power. My current Fusion has the 1.5, which is adequate as long as you aren't drag racing or carrying too much weight.

I'm all over the map on what I want worse than Iluv. Now I'm on to hooptie convertibles.



https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/1995-chrysler-lebaren/6650465718.html

driver100

That Lebaren looks nice....always liked those. But, when I see cars like that I can't help but see problems ahead, won't start, burns oil, transmission not shifting......only about 1000 things could go wrong.

Remember the Everly Brothers....Problems problems, problems all day long...........

nyccarguy

nyccarguy

Since I gave you a bite of nostalgia last week with my day trip to Coney Island, here’s a shot from this week’s trip to Cape Cod.  We went to a drive in movie tonight.  It was lots of fun!  My kids LOVED it!

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

That Lebaren looks nice....always liked those. But, when I see cars like that I can't help but see problems ahead, won't start, burns oil, transmission not shifting......only about 1000 things could go wrong.

Remember the Everly Brothers....Problems problems, problems all day long...........

The great thing about hoopties is that you can tolerate many more deficiencies than you would in a new car. When the number of problems exceeds it's charm you simply walk away.

oldfarmer50

nyccarguy said:

Looks like you got an early start at the drive-in. Did you have a picnic first? In the old days they would have a playground under the screen of most drive-ins to keep the kids occupied.

If that's the same place I think it is my parents took us there on a vacation in the 60s. Fog came in and blocked the screen but we got "fog checks" for a future visit.

tbirdmarco

Have bin injoying. Reading all in hear 

abacomike

nyccarguy said:

Since I gave you a bite of nostalgia last week with my day trip to Coney Island, here’s a shot from this week’s trip to Cape Cod.  We went to a drive in movie tonight.  It was lots of fun!  My kids LOVED it!

I proposed to my girlfriend in a drive-in movie in Chicago back in the summer of 1967.  Have no idea what movie we saw, but she said yes!  We were married in March of 1968.

Come to think about it, I must have seen 20 movies in drive-ins but can’t remember one of them.  I wonder if I was distracted by something or someone.  No one watched movies in drive-ins back then - tough to see anything from the back seat if you know what I mean!  

graphicguy

xwesx said:

graphicguy said:

This is my 2nd season with it. In reality, there's very little that can go wrong. The gears are sturdy. I guess over time, the brakes would need some adjustment/replacement. Chain will stretch over time, too.

I suppose the battery only has so many charges it will take before it starts to degenerate. Don't know how many that would be, though.

In short, I think any major maintenance I'd have to do is still a pretty long ways away.

It looked like they used quality bicycle components. I dunno; the one I would want is not available (expected September some time), so maybe I should just bite the bullet and give it a shot with their "zero percent 12-month financing." ~$175 a month for a year with no interest? I'm not sure I could go wrong on that. I just wouldn't get to use it until April 2019.

Gotta say the company has been a pleasure to work with. Some of those Kickstarter campaigns are a study in how to frustrate your customer, if they deliver what they promised at all. Not these guys. They hit all of their production and delivery targets. When mine arrived, while mostly assembled, there were some things that needed to be installed (seat, computer, wheels, etc.). They sent good instructions, but some things needed more clarification. They were all over it helping me. They even sent some extra bolts gratis as I had stripped one of them.

FLX is now up and running and profitable. They’re expanding into other (electric) products. Seems they regularly sell out of some models as a result.

If you don’t mind waiting, I highly recommend them. But, I’ve also heard good things about RAD bikes. So, there are some good choices out there.

graphicguy

@oldfarmer50 and @iluvmysephia1 ....thought of both of you when I read this.....

https://gearpatrol.com/2018/07/24/best-used-cars-10000/

driver100

abacomike said:

nyccarguy said:

Since I gave you a bite of nostalgia last week with my day trip to Coney Island, here’s a shot from this week’s trip to Cape Cod.  We went to a drive in movie tonight.  It was lots of fun!  My kids LOVED it!

I proposed to my girlfriend in a drive-in movie in Chicago back in the summer of 1967.  Have no idea what movie we saw, but she said yes!  We were married in March of 1968.

Come to think about it, I must have seen 20 movies in drive-ins but can’t remember one of them.  I wonder if I was distracted by something or someone.  No one watched movies in drive-ins back then - tough to see anything from the back seat if you know what I mean!  

Hope it wasn't Guns of Navarone or Bridge on the River Kwai.....even worse The Longest Day!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

That Lebaren looks nice....always liked those. But, when I see cars like that I can't help but see problems ahead, won't start, burns oil, transmission not shifting......only about 1000 things could go wrong.

Remember the Everly Brothers....Problems problems, problems all day long...........

The great thing about hoopties is that you can tolerate many more deficiencies than you would in a new car. When the number of problems exceeds it's charm you simply walk away.

Nah, after it broke down 3X in a month I would need an anger management course.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

@oldfarmer50 and @iluvmysephia1 ....thought of both of you when I read this.....

https://gearpatrol.com/2018/07/24/best-used-cars-10000/

I'd take the MR2 followed by the Vette then the Volvo but a MB with a gazillion miles? No thanks.

The follow up article was also interesting. Recent models of all three Detroit muscle cars are the worst? I'd suspect that was due to beating them up.

In light of recent developments I would add my wife's PT Cruiser to that worst list.

qbrozen

I also dove into that worst list a little. I don't buy it. But I've always said CR is useless

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

nyccarguy said:

Looks like you got an early start at the drive-in. Did you have a picnic first? In the old days they would have a playground under the screen of most drive-ins to keep the kids occupied.

If that's the same place I think it is my parents took us there on a vacation in the 60s. Fog came in and blocked the screen but we got "fog checks" for a future visit.

I thought that was a pic of the morning after. I guess they all went out to breakfast when everyone woke up. Looks like @nyccarguy woke up first and he's waiting for the rest of the family to get up. I wonder how long he had to wait?

jmonroe

fintail

That W123 240D looks insane, like it has been restored.

graphicguy said:

@oldfarmer50 and @iluvmysephia1 ....thought of both of you when I read this.....

https://gearpatrol.com/2018/07/24/best-used-cars-10000/

jmonroe

abacomike said:

nyccarguy said:

Since I gave you a bite of nostalgia last week with my day trip to Coney Island, here’s a shot from this week’s trip to Cape Cod.  We went to a drive in movie tonight.  It was lots of fun!  My kids LOVED it!

I proposed to my girlfriend in a drive-in movie in Chicago back in the summer of 1967.  Have no idea what movie we saw, but she said yes!  We were married in March of 1968.

Come to think about it, I must have seen 20 movies in drive-ins but can’t remember one of them.  I wonder if I was distracted by something or someone.  No one watched movies in drive-ins back then - tough to see anything from the back seat if you know what I mean!  

I know what you mean but I was usually in the front seat because I was the driver. One time when I was with my best friend and his long time girl friend who were in the back seat, when I looked in the rear view mirror I didn't see any heads and I started to laugh. My girl friend for quite some time asked, "what's so funny, this movie isn't a comedy. Someone just got shot"? I just turned the rear view mirror so she could see back there. Then she laughed too. Without turning around I yelled out, "what are you guys doing back there". In unison two heads popped up and they both said, "NOTHING". That's when I said, "then get the hell outta there and let someone back there that knows what to do". My girl friend quickly said, "stay where you are. I'm having a tough enough time with him here in the front seat". Now those were the best days for sure.

jmonroe

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

@oldfarmer50 and @iluvmysephia1 ....thought of both of you when I read this.....

https://gearpatrol.com/2018/07/24/best-used-cars-10000/

I'd take the MR2 followed by the Vette then the Volvo but a MB with a gazillion miles? No thanks.

The follow up article was also interesting. Recent models of all three Detroit muscle cars are the worst? I'd suspect that was due to beating them up.

In light of recent developments I would add my wife's PT Cruiser to that worst list.

That would be my ranking, too. Agree about the miled up Benz.

Mr_Shiftright

graphicguy said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

That's pretty cool, although commuting my route on a bike still seems like Russian roulette, given the amount of distracted driving here, and the virtual lack of enforcement. I wonder how that one would fit taller or larger riders.

I saw a woman this morning zooming along on an e-bike - I think scooters here require an endorsement if they can break 30 mph, I wonder if the bike can do so, but dodges the law.

graphicguy said:

There has been a real surge in electric scooters, bikes...and now, motorcycles....

https://electrek.co/2018/07/23/electric-motorcycle-for-2000-usd/

Most states require that ebikes that can go faster than 20 MPH to be registered and licensed and the rider needing an endorsement on their license.

You're right. Same in OH. But, I think they skirt this by claiming it's delivered with a 20 MPH speed limit, but have ways of getting around the issue by limiting the speed with software. Once you find out how to "undo" the artificial limiter, you're off to the races.

But you know....skinny little tires, limited braking....20 mph on a bicycle is fast enough....you hit one little rock, or catch a groove in the road and you're in for it---as we say in the motorcycle world---"a few seconds on the Belt Sander of Life".

graphicguy

Mr_Shiftright said:

graphicguy said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

That's pretty cool, although commuting my route on a bike still seems like Russian roulette, given the amount of distracted driving here, and the virtual lack of enforcement. I wonder how that one would fit taller or larger riders.

I saw a woman this morning zooming along on an e-bike - I think scooters here require an endorsement if they can break 30 mph, I wonder if the bike can do so, but dodges the law.

graphicguy said:

There has been a real surge in electric scooters, bikes...and now, motorcycles....

https://electrek.co/2018/07/23/electric-motorcycle-for-2000-usd/

Most states require that ebikes that can go faster than 20 MPH to be registered and licensed and the rider needing an endorsement on their license.

You're right. Same in OH. But, I think they skirt this by claiming it's delivered with a 20 MPH speed limit, but have ways of getting around the issue by limiting the speed with software. Once you find out how to "undo" the artificial limiter, you're off to the races.

But you know....skinny little tires, limited braking....20 mph on a bicycle is fast enough....you hit one little rock, or catch a groove in the road and you're in for it---as we say in the motorcycle world---"a few seconds on the Belt Sander of Life".


No disagreement. I removed the software limiter on mine. Got it up to 35 MPH. At first it was a hoot. But, as you say, once you realize one blow out, one unexpected rock on the roadway, one pothole you didn't anticipate, and you're doing a not so graceful exit off the seat of the bike into blacktop, a telephone pole, a car, or Lord only knows what else.....at 35 MPH, with nothing but a flimsy helmet protecting you.

I actually put the limiter back on. 20 MPH on a bike is plenty for me.

Now, in my youth, when I was riding motor cycles regularly, there wasn't enough speed that could satisfy me.

I never said I was the brightest bulb in the lamp! Surprised I'm still in (relatively) good shape as a result.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

I also dove into that worst list a little. I don't buy it. But I've always said CR is useless

You wonder what went wrong with the cars to get dinged. If a sports car was the worst because of limited trunk space that wouldn't worry me as much as if they were complaining about a failed transmission.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

graphicguy said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

That's pretty cool, although commuting my route on a bike still seems like Russian roulette, given the amount of distracted driving here, and the virtual lack of enforcement. I wonder how that one would fit taller or larger riders.

I saw a woman this morning zooming along on an e-bike - I think scooters here require an endorsement if they can break 30 mph, I wonder if the bike can do so, but dodges the law.

graphicguy said:

There has been a real surge in electric scooters, bikes...and now, motorcycles....

https://electrek.co/2018/07/23/electric-motorcycle-for-2000-usd/

Most states require that ebikes that can go faster than 20 MPH to be registered and licensed and the rider needing an endorsement on their license.

You're right. Same in OH. But, I think they skirt this by claiming it's delivered with a 20 MPH speed limit, but have ways of getting around the issue by limiting the speed with software. Once you find out how to "undo" the artificial limiter, you're off to the races.

But you know....skinny little tires, limited braking....20 mph on a bicycle is fast enough....you hit one little rock, or catch a groove in the road and you're in for it---as we say in the motorcycle world---"a few seconds on the Belt Sander of Life".

No disagreement. I removed the software limiter on mine. Got it up to 35 MPH. At first it was a hoot. But, as you say, once you realize one blow out, one unexpected rock on the roadway, one pothole you didn't anticipate, and you're doing a not so graceful exit off the seat of the bike into blacktop, a telephone pole, a car, or Lord only knows what else.....at 35 MPH, with nothing but a flimsy helmet protecting you.

I actually put the limiter back on. 20 MPH on a bike is plenty for me.

Now, in my youth, when I was riding motor cycles regularly, there wasn't enough speed that could satisfy me.

I never said I was the brightest bulb in the lamp! Surprised I'm still in (relatively) good shape as a result.

Ah youth, when no speed is too much. I have fond memories of flying my bicycle down the big hill to the ice cream store no hands style to get a sundae. Passing cars on the right without a care in the world. I might have been doing 35 but it felt like 100. Thanks to the angels I never fell off.

jmonroe

OK, here's my MPG test results for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 3.6R engine:

Went out to dinner last night. Round trip was 6.6 miles not the 7 I said it would be but 7 was a pretty good guess. MPG was 12.9 on trip computer "A". I set trip computer "B" at about 2.5 miles from home on the way back just for the fun of it. MPG was 17.6 , for trip computer "B" when we got home. The only way I can begin to explain this is that the car was cold (not driven all day until we went out to dinner last night) so by the time I was driving it home after dinner it was warmed up. Again, just a guess as to why the difference from 12.9 MPG (11 miles) to 17.6 MPG (about 2.5 miles).

Today we both had scheduled doctor's appointments with the same doctor. Round trip was 11.0 miles and the MPG was 17.4 (only used trip computer "A"). Some of that was cold driving on initial start up but the rest was with the car fully warmed up. So, that 15 MPG that I mentioned in my post yesterday is probably about what that car gets on average for in town driving under all temperature conditions.

This morning when we got home, Mrs. j got out of the car first to get the mail. While I was still in the car recording numbers, she wanted to know what I was doing and I told her, "hold on I'll explain this when we get in the house". Once in the house I said, "your car is a gas hog. Cars today get better gas mileage so maybe we should get you a new Legacy". Well, that did it. She said, "I knew I'd be sorry for saying that burgundy Subaru we were behind when we went out for dinner on our anniversary last week would come back to haunt me. And furthermore, even though I don't know anything about cars, I know enough that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a car to get a little better gas mileage is a dumb economic move".

I think I lost that argument so now what do I do?

jmonroe

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

fintail said:

That's pretty cool, although commuting my route on a bike still seems like Russian roulette, given the amount of distracted driving here, and the virtual lack of enforcement. I wonder how that one would fit taller or larger riders. I saw a woman this morning zooming along on an e-bike - I think scooters here require an endorsement if they can break 30 mph, I wonder if the bike can do so, but dodges the law.

There has been a real surge in electric scooters, bikes...and now, motorcycles.... https://electrek.co/2018/07/23/electric-motorcycle-for-2000-usd/

Most states require that ebikes that can go faster than 20 MPH to be registered and licensed and the rider needing an endorsement on their license.

You're right. Same in OH. But, I think they skirt this by claiming it's delivered with a 20 MPH speed limit, but have ways of getting around the issue by limiting the speed with software. Once you find out how to "undo" the artificial limiter, you're off to the races.

But you know....skinny little tires, limited braking....20 mph on a bicycle is fast enough....you hit one little rock, or catch a groove in the road and you're in for it---as we say in the motorcycle world---"a few seconds on the Belt Sander of Life".

No disagreement. I removed the software limiter on mine. Got it up to 35 MPH. At first it was a hoot. But, as you say, once you realize one blow out, one unexpected rock on the roadway, one pothole you didn't anticipate, and you're doing a not so graceful exit off the seat of the bike into blacktop, a telephone pole, a car, or Lord only knows what else.....at 35 MPH, with nothing but a flimsy helmet protecting you. I actually put the limiter back on. 20 MPH on a bike is plenty for me. Now, in my youth, when I was riding motor cycles regularly, there wasn't enough speed that could satisfy me. I never said I was the brightest bulb in the lamp! Surprised I'm still in (relatively) good shape as a result.

On downhill stretches bike racers can hit or even exceed 55 MPH. During the last Olympics bike races actually put ran the motorcycles that were recording the race on the down hill sections. I have approached 50 on a down hill sprint, that was a rush.

https://youtu.be/T26rPJDr-hM

snakeweasel

jmonroe said:

OK, here's my MPG test results for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 3.6R engine: Went out to dinner last night. Round trip was 6.6 miles not the 7 I said it would be but 7 was a pretty good guess. MPG was 12.9 on trip computer "A". I set trip computer "B" at about 2.5 miles from home on the way back just for the fun of it. MPG was 17.6 , for trip computer "B" when we got home. The only way I can begin to explain this is that the car was cold (not driven all day until we went out to dinner last night) so by the time I was driving it home after dinner it was warmed up. Again, just a guess as to why the difference from 12.9 MPG (11 miles) to 17.6 MPG (about 2.5 miles). Today we both had scheduled doctor's appointments with the same doctor. Round trip was 11.0 miles and the MPG was 17.4 (only used trip computer "A"). Some of that was cold driving on initial start up but the rest was with the car fully warmed up. So, that 15 MPG that I mentioned in my post yesterday is probably about what that car gets on average for in town driving under all temperature conditions. This morning when we got home, Mrs. j got out of the car first to get the mail. While I was still in the car recording numbers, she wanted to know what I was doing and I told her, "hold on I'll explain this when we get in the house". Once in the house I said, "your car is a gas hog. Cars today get better gas mileage so maybe we should get you a new Legacy". Well, that did it. She said, "I knew I'd be sorry for saying that burgundy Subaru we were behind when we went out for dinner on our anniversary last week would come back to haunt me. And furthermore, even though I don't know anything about cars, I know enough that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a car to get a little better gas mileage is a dumb economic move". I think I lost that argument so now what do I do? jmonroe

Well you can accidentally leave the keys in the car when you park the car on the street. That might accelerate the need to buy a new car.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

OK, here's my MPG test results for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 3.6R engine:

Went out to dinner last night. Round trip was 6.6 miles not the 7 I said it would be but 7 was a pretty good guess. MPG was 12.9 on trip computer "A". I set trip computer "B" at about 2.5 miles from home on the way back just for the fun of it. MPG was 17.6 , for trip computer "B" when we got home. The only way I can begin to explain this is that the car was cold (not driven all day until we went out to dinner last night) so by the time I was driving it home after dinner it was warmed up. Again, just a guess as to why the difference from 12.9 MPG (11 miles) to 17.6 MPG (about 2.5 miles).

Today we both had scheduled doctor's appointments with the same doctor. Round trip was 11.0 miles and the MPG was 17.4 (only used trip computer "A"). Some of that was cold driving on initial start up but the rest was with the car fully warmed up. So, that 15 MPG that I mentioned in my post yesterday is probably about what that car gets on average for in town driving under all temperature conditions.

This morning when we got home, Mrs. j got out of the car first to get the mail. While I was still in the car recording numbers, she wanted to know what I was doing and I told her, "hold on I'll explain this when we get in the house". Once in the house I said, "your car is a gas hog. Cars today get better gas mileage so maybe we should get you a new Legacy". Well, that did it. She said, "I knew I'd be sorry for saying that burgundy Subaru we were behind when we went out for dinner on our anniversary last week would come back to haunt me. And furthermore, even though I don't know anything about cars, I know enough that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a car to get a little better gas mileage is a dumb economic move".

I think I lost that argument so now what do I do?

jmonroe

Well you can accidentally leave the keys in the car when you park the car on the street. That might accelerate the need to buy a new car.

Are you kidding? Who wants a 2012 Legacy that's a gas hog? It does have low mileage though, less than 33K.

jmonroe

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=trA2muc1FQI

xwesx

abacomike said:

No one watched movies in drive-ins back then - tough to see anything from the back seat if you know what I mean!  

I know what you mean! I only went to a drive in a few times when I was very young, but I was always in the back seat and it was very difficult to see the screen from there.

xwesx

graphicguy said:

I actually put the limiter back on. 20 MPH on a bike is plenty for me.

Now, in my youth, when I was riding motor cycles regularly, there wasn't enough speed that could satisfy me.

I never said I was the brightest bulb in the lamp! Surprised I'm still in (relatively) good shape as a result.

I may not be speaking for everyone here, but I think that most of us can look back on some of the things we have done and feel rather thankful / surprised that we made it this far.

As for bike speeds, I can see why they would include limits for machines that are not self-powered. However, I typically ride my bike at 20 mph or more on flats, and DEFINITELY far faster than that down hills. As long as I'm the one expending the effort, I'll go however fast I want. It is rare that speed is in excess of the auto limit, but it does happen now and again!

houdini1

driver100 said:

suydam said:

A great example of Bill Monroe’s bluegrass style. He was amazing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYTvj9Z_rlo

WOW, I am not normally a big C&W fan but I love what those guys can do with those instruments.

My only question, which one is JMonroe or does he bring the guys a drink after they perform?

Here are some of my favorite lyrics from an old song by Waylon Jennings:

You can hear the Grand 'Ol Opry in Nashville Tennessee
It's the home of country music, on that we all agree
But when you cross that 'Ol Red River Hoss, that just don't mean a thing
Cause when you're down in Texas, Bob Wills is still the King....

graphicguy

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

fintail said:

That's pretty cool, although commuting my route on a bike still seems like Russian roulette, given the amount of distracted driving here, and the virtual lack of enforcement. I wonder how that one would fit taller or larger riders.

I saw a woman this morning zooming along on an e-bike - I think scooters here require an endorsement if they can break 30 mph, I wonder if the bike can do so, but dodges the law.

There has been a real surge in electric scooters, bikes...and now, motorcycles....

https://electrek.co/2018/07/23/electric-motorcycle-for-2000-usd/

Most states require that ebikes that can go faster than 20 MPH to be registered and licensed and the rider needing an endorsement on their license.

You're right. Same in OH. But, I think they skirt this by claiming it's delivered with a 20 MPH speed limit, but have ways of getting around the issue by limiting the speed with software. Once you find out how to "undo" the artificial limiter, you're off to the races.

But you know....skinny little tires, limited braking....20 mph on a bicycle is fast enough....you hit one little rock, or catch a groove in the road and you're in for it---as we say in the motorcycle world---"a few seconds on the Belt Sander of Life".


No disagreement. I removed the software limiter on mine. Got it up to 35 MPH. At first it was a hoot. But, as you say, once you realize one blow out, one unexpected rock on the roadway, one pothole you didn't anticipate, and you're doing a not so graceful exit off the seat of the bike into blacktop, a telephone pole, a car, or Lord only knows what else.....at 35 MPH, with nothing but a flimsy helmet protecting you.

I actually put the limiter back on. 20 MPH on a bike is plenty for me.

Now, in my youth, when I was riding motor cycles regularly, there wasn't enough speed that could satisfy me.

I never said I was the brightest bulb in the lamp! Surprised I'm still in (relatively) good shape as a result.

On downhill stretches bike racers can hit or even exceed 55 MPH. During the last Olympics bike races actually put ran the motorcycles that were recording the race on the down hill sections. I have approached 50 on a down hill sprint, that was a rush.

https://youtu.be/T26rPJDr-hM


Nope...not doing that. Pretty cool to watch, though. Actually, the brakes on my bike a tons better than what I road as a kid. I have hydraulic disks, slotted rotors and dual piston calipers.

This, vs a small piece of rubber rubbing on a steel rim to slow me down when I was younger. Or, even worse, coaster brakes.

jmonroe

xwesx said:

abacomike said:

No one watched movies in drive-ins back then - tough to see anything from the back seat if you know what I mean!  

I know what you mean! I only went to a drive in a few times when I was very young, but I was always in the back seat and it was very difficult to see the screen from there.

Well, if you really wanted to see the flick, all you had to do was pop your head above the front seat but we all know there ain't no fun in doing that.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

OK, here's my MPG test results for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 3.6R engine:

Went out to dinner last night. Round trip was 6.6 miles not the 7 I said it would be but 7 was a pretty good guess. MPG was 12.9 on trip computer "A". I set trip computer "B" at about 2.5 miles from home on the way back just for the fun of it. MPG was 17.6 , for trip computer "B" when we got home. The only way I can begin to explain this is that the car was cold (not driven all day until we went out to dinner last night) so by the time I was driving it home after dinner it was warmed up. Again, just a guess as to why the difference from 12.9 MPG (11 miles) to 17.6 MPG (about 2.5 miles).

Today we both had scheduled doctor's appointments with the same doctor. Round trip was 11.0 miles and the MPG was 17.4 (only used trip computer "A"). Some of that was cold driving on initial start up but the rest was with the car fully warmed up. So, that 15 MPG that I mentioned in my post yesterday is probably about what that car gets on average for in town driving under all temperature conditions.

This morning when we got home, Mrs. j got out of the car first to get the mail. While I was still in the car recording numbers, she wanted to know what I was doing and I told her, "hold on I'll explain this when we get in the house". Once in the house I said, "your car is a gas hog. Cars today get better gas mileage so maybe we should get you a new Legacy". Well, that did it. She said, "I knew I'd be sorry for saying that burgundy Subaru we were behind when we went out for dinner on our anniversary last week would come back to haunt me. And furthermore, even though I don't know anything about cars, I know enough that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a car to get a little better gas mileage is a dumb economic move".

I think I lost that argument so now what do I do?

jmonroe

Start crying hysterically until she gives in.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

OK, here's my MPG test results for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 3.6R engine:

Went out to dinner last night. Round trip was 6.6 miles not the 7 I said it would be but 7 was a pretty good guess. MPG was 12.9 on trip computer "A". I set trip computer "B" at about 2.5 miles from home on the way back just for the fun of it. MPG was 17.6 , for trip computer "B" when we got home. The only way I can begin to explain this is that the car was cold (not driven all day until we went out to dinner last night) so by the time I was driving it home after dinner it was warmed up. Again, just a guess as to why the difference from 12.9 MPG (11 miles) to 17.6 MPG (about 2.5 miles).

Today we both had scheduled doctor's appointments with the same doctor. Round trip was 11.0 miles and the MPG was 17.4 (only used trip computer "A"). Some of that was cold driving on initial start up but the rest was with the car fully warmed up. So, that 15 MPG that I mentioned in my post yesterday is probably about what that car gets on average for in town driving under all temperature conditions.

This morning when we got home, Mrs. j got out of the car first to get the mail. While I was still in the car recording numbers, she wanted to know what I was doing and I told her, "hold on I'll explain this when we get in the house". Once in the house I said, "your car is a gas hog. Cars today get better gas mileage so maybe we should get you a new Legacy". Well, that did it. She said, "I knew I'd be sorry for saying that burgundy Subaru we were behind when we went out for dinner on our anniversary last week would come back to haunt me. And furthermore, even though I don't know anything about cars, I know enough that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a car to get a little better gas mileage is a dumb economic move".

I think I lost that argument so now what do I do?

jmonroe

Well you can accidentally leave the keys in the car when you park the car on the street. That might accelerate the need to buy a new car.

Are you kidding? Who wants a 2012 Legacy that's a gas hog? It does have low mileage though, less than 33K.

jmonroe

I could take it, you know, just to help out a friend. None of my vehicles gets particularly good milage. Might even throw a few bucks your way. Couldn't be much since I just spent most of my cash on a new exhaust and strut brace for the baby.

thebean

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

OK, here's my MPG test results for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy with the 3.6R engine:

Went out to dinner last night. Round trip was 6.6 miles not the 7 I said it would be but 7 was a pretty good guess. MPG was 12.9 on trip computer "A". I set trip computer "B" at about 2.5 miles from home on the way back just for the fun of it. MPG was 17.6 , for trip computer "B" when we got home. The only way I can begin to explain this is that the car was cold (not driven all day until we went out to dinner last night) so by the time I was driving it home after dinner it was warmed up. Again, just a guess as to why the difference from 12.9 MPG (11 miles) to 17.6 MPG (about 2.5 miles).

Today we both had scheduled doctor's appointments with the same doctor. Round trip was 11.0 miles and the MPG was 17.4 (only used trip computer "A"). Some of that was cold driving on initial start up but the rest was with the car fully warmed up. So, that 15 MPG that I mentioned in my post yesterday is probably about what that car gets on average for in town driving under all temperature conditions.

This morning when we got home, Mrs. j got out of the car first to get the mail. While I was still in the car recording numbers, she wanted to know what I was doing and I told her, "hold on I'll explain this when we get in the house". Once in the house I said, "your car is a gas hog. Cars today get better gas mileage so maybe we should get you a new Legacy". Well, that did it. She said, "I knew I'd be sorry for saying that burgundy Subaru we were behind when we went out for dinner on our anniversary last week would come back to haunt me. And furthermore, even though I don't know anything about cars, I know enough that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a car to get a little better gas mileage is a dumb economic move".

I think I lost that argument so now what do I do?

jmonroe

Start crying hysterically until she gives in.

No, I think he saves that tactic until he wants something else.

driver100

xwesx said:

abacomike said:

No one watched movies in drive-ins back then - tough to see anything from the back seat if you know what I mean!  

I know what you mean! I only went to a drive in a few times when I was very young, but I was always in the back seat and it was very difficult to see the screen from there.

In the old days if you were in the back you could see fairly well with bench seats and no headrests. In a lot of todays cars the front seats are pretty tall....anyone in the back just has a small area between the seats to try to see a movie screen.