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explorerx4

Locally, we are all about the goldens.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I could see someone looking at a Mustang ending up with 4 5 door like the Stinger. If their desire is for something really fast, good handling, etc. the extra doors aren't going to matter (other than for image if that is the real criteria). But few people that need a 4 door are going to cross shop a pony, unless they really had no need for using the back seat in the first place.

I rode in my Mustang back seat just once. Not a fun experience.

Funny thing is.....many supposed roomy 4 door vehicles don't have much room in the back either. Thursday i rode in the back of a Nissan Rouge. I had assumed there was room in the back because I had driven many of them. Not so. I had to get the front passenger to move the seat up so I could get my legs in far enough to close the door.

If I hadn't driven a brand new 740i earlier in the day it might have ruined my mood.

ab348

bwia said:

Isn't it a bit early to switch to snow tires? I thought that was done after turning the clock back, or perhaps you guys don't recognize daylight savings time in Canada. 

By the way, the ATS looks pretty fine in red. From the side profile it kinda looks like a Stinger. And oh shucks, I am beginning to have Stinger evy. Time to bring out the EpiPen.

Our clocks go back tomorrow night, and I didn’t want to brave the tire shop on a Saturday.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

bwia said:

Thought I'd share this piece of advice from Edmunds as published in the Boston Globe.

GET TO KNOW YOUR CAR BEFORE YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT

Once you and the salesperson have agreed on terms, the next step is to sign the purchase documents. This process usually happens in the finance and insurance office and is a common bottleneck, particularly on the weekend. A dealership might have 30 salespeople but only four finance managers.

Instead of waiting around for your turn with the finance manager, make the most of this slowdown by asking your salesperson to teach you how to use the features of your new car. This phase, often called the “delivery,” typically happens after you’ve signed your purchase or lease agreement. Flipping the order won’t inconvenience the dealership, and it will make better use of your time.

From my experience in auto sales, once the buyer goes to finance, the salesman rushes to get another customer, or as we call it an “up”!  Most dealerships now have delivery specialists who deliver the new car to the customer and take them through the basics of the car’s operation and answer all questions. This is done in order to increase customer satisfaction on surveys.But the idea of learning the car’s operation while waiting to get into finance is a great idea when possible.


On my last new car the salesman handed me the keys and I drove away. Since I don't use half the tech in the car that was just fine.

Today I went to the auto show and was looking at some Hyundai new CUV and the young 20s something sales rep started blattering about the great 61/2 inch screen and the interface with Apple Car Play. I wish I had taken a picture of the look on his face when I told him I didn't own a smart phone.

Oh yeah, while I was there I found RB's next car:

explorerx4

Carbon fiber exhaust tips, $1500. OK.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Sad day - the ATS summer-only tires (and OE wheels) are in hibernation until April. Winter rims and X-Ice 3s put on today.

That's interesting that you do that. Do you have any concerns about switching wheels back and forth that often (like scratching rims or improperly torquing lugs)? I was thinking of doing the same myself.

What catagory of summer tires do you use? Have you experienced any problems as the temps fell below 32F?

oldfarmer50

I found these little gems enticing. The white one stickers at $182,000. The other one had no price tag so I guess if you have to ask....

ab348

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

ab348 said:

Thank you kindly!

I've been drawn to some pretty good deals on the used ATS with the 2.0T engine - high teens, low 20's here in Denver. Was hoping to get out and take a test drive last weekend, but it didn't happen.

Perhaps this weekend?

Abs ATS looks pretty nice. What year are you hoping to get for hi teens low 20s Michaell. Mileage????

I just found a red 2016 with 28,000 miles on it for $22,600

One thing to watch is to make sure the model level is acceptable. The variations were a bit confusing but the base model lacks some amenities like 6-way front seats (only 4-way) and no fold down rear seat.

explorerx4

One of my neighbors has a similar car to that orange one.
That's a McLaren?

Drivingfool

I bought my iPhone 8 Plus about two months ago, brand new from a person selling it on a site called "OfferUp". Great site with local folks selling stuff. We just put my sim card in and it worked. I really wanted the wireless charging feature plus 64 gigs of memory. So, I got a September 2017 to September 2018 phone for $500.00. Like I said, it was a brand new 8 Plus and works perfectly. It's with AT&T and all I need to do is have them unlock it for me. I also sold my iPhone 6s Plus on "OfferUp" for $200.00 last week. So on this purchase, I'm only out $300.00. I also bought the 6s Plus phone when it was almost two years old from someone on eBay who was selling it brand new, never been used. Got it in great new condition for $450.00 and sold my android LG on eBay.
My point is this, one can buy a year old phone and save a good deal of money. No way was I going to spend anywhere over $600.00 for any new phone as it's more than out of my comfort zone. I don't need the most current appliance out there and just as long as it'll keep getting the Apple upgrades, I'm good. Now my wife is looking to switch to an iPhone but she has to have the newest and best so she's going to spring for the XR I assume. But since it's on her dime, I ain't sayin' a word. But truthfully, she could also buy the 8 Plus or even 8 and have a current smartphone, but now, a year old model. And get it at a dynamite price to as I've seen them starting as low as $425.00 for a brand new 8 and $450.00 for a brand new 8 Plus like mine.
Point is, I can live with a year old model and plan to keep it now for three years. But some can't and have to have the newest. All about personal preference. But bottom line, I got a brand new phone and paid a fraction to do it. And I'm happy with that!! It's all about needs and wants. Sure, I want the newest iPhone out there but I don't need it as the year old unit does the same exact thing basically.

The Sandman/Driving Fool

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

Carbon fiber exhaust tips, $1500. OK.

Yeah, but they come already registered.

explorerx4

I did a search on CarMax for 2013 ATS's and 2012 C Class MB's.
Prices were very similar.
Cheapest C Class was a red one.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Oh yeah, while I was there I found RB's next car:

I would MUCH rather have an M2 Competition; the M3 is too big.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

That's interesting that you do that. Do you have any concerns about switching wheels back and forth that often (like scratching rims or improperly torquing lugs)? I was thinking of doing the same myself.

What catagory of summer tires do you use? Have you experienced any problems as the temps fell below 32F?

I have more risk of curbing the OE 18" wheels than damaging them at the tire shop. They also store them there for me. I have been using that shop for a while, the same tech now does all my work there, so we have a good relationship.

The OE tires are Bridgestone Potenza RE050 on 18" rims, staggered in rim width (8" wide in front, 9" in back) and size (225/40R18 front, 255/35R18 out back). Buying snow tires for those would have been crazy expensive so I decided to get a set of 17" rims that fit (no easy task) and the Michelin winters.

Here's the official description of the Bridgestones and why you don't want them on there in the winter:

"The Potenza RE050A is a Max Performance Summer tire designed to complement the performance of sports cars, sports coupes and sport sedans. While the Potenza RE050 is used as Original Equipment on the supercharged Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan, a Potenza RE050A Scuderia version is used on the 12-cylinder Enzo Ferrari supercar, and a Run Flat version is used on the BMW Z4 sports cars and 5-Series sedans. The Potenza RE050A was developed to provide good traction along with responsive and predictable dry and wet road handling. It is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

I like driving on the Michelins better most of the time anyway - much quieter, a bit of a softer ride, at a cost of not quite so razor-sharp steering and handling.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

One of my neighbors has a similar car to that orange one.
That's a McLaren?

If I read the hood emblem right it's an Acura.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

I did a search on CarMax for 2013 ATS's and 2012 C Class MB's.
Prices were very similar.
Cheapest C Class was a red one.

It was probably in a major accident!

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Oh yeah, while I was there I found RB's next car:

I would MUCH rather have an M2 Competition; the M3 is too big.

What a shame. Guess I'll have to send it back.

driver100

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Oh yeah, while I was there I found RB's next car:

I would MUCH rather have an M2 Competition; the M3 is too big.

Not for me!

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That's interesting that you do that. Do you have any concerns about switching wheels back and forth that often (like scratching rims or improperly torquing lugs)? I was thinking of doing the same myself.

What catagory of summer tires do you use? Have you experienced any problems as the temps fell below 32F?

I have more risk of curbing the OE 18" wheels than damaging them at the tire shop. They also store them there for me. I have been using that shop for a while, the same tech now does all my work there, so we have a good relationship.

The OE tires are Bridgestone Potenza RE050 on 18" rims, staggered in rim width (8" wide in front, 9" in back) and size (225/40R18 front, 255/35R18 out back). Buying snow tires for those would have been crazy expensive so I decided to get a set of 17" rims that fit (no easy task) and the Michelin winters.

Here's the official description of the Bridgestones and why you don't want them on there in the winter:

"The Potenza RE050A is a Max Performance Summer tire designed to complement the performance of sports cars, sports coupes and sport sedans. While the Potenza RE050 is used as Original Equipment on the supercharged Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan, a Potenza RE050A Scuderia version is used on the 12-cylinder Enzo Ferrari supercar, and a Run Flat version is used on the BMW Z4 sports cars and 5-Series sedans. The Potenza RE050A was developed to provide good traction along with responsive and predictable dry and wet road handling. It is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

I like driving on the Michelins better most of the time anyway - much quieter, a bit of a softer ride, at a cost of not quite so razor-sharp steering and handling.

That's interesting, I put Potenza all seasons on my Eclipse and noticed a really improvement in handling. I wanted to get summer performance tires for the Mustang but always worried if I drove too late in the year the handling characteristics would degrade at below freezing or worse, the tread might be damaged.

Michaell

ab348 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

ab348 said:

Thank you kindly!

I've been drawn to some pretty good deals on the used ATS with the 2.0T engine - high teens, low 20's here in Denver. Was hoping to get out and take a test drive last weekend, but it didn't happen.

Perhaps this weekend?

Abs ATS looks pretty nice. What year are you hoping to get for hi teens low 20s Michaell. Mileage????

I just found a red 2016 with 28,000 miles on it for $22,600

One thing to watch is to make sure the model level is acceptable. The variations were a bit confusing but the base model lacks some amenities like 6-way front seats (only 4-way) and no fold down rear seat.

Ah, good to know. The one I mentioned seemed to be a base trim level.

Found another one, similar miles and price, but a 2014, that is a luxury trim

boomchek

Maserati Gran Tursimo convertibles are among my favourite. Lots of space in all 4 seats, amazing engine note, and just an absolute joy to drive. I had a chance to experience them when I worked at Ferrari/Maserati.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That's interesting that you do that. Do you have any concerns about switching wheels back and forth that often (like scratching rims or improperly torquing lugs)? I was thinking of doing the same myself.

What catagory of summer tires do you use? Have you experienced any problems as the temps fell below 32F?

I have more risk of curbing the OE 18" wheels than damaging them at the tire shop. They also store them there for me. I have been using that shop for a while, the same tech now does all my work there, so we have a good relationship.

The OE tires are Bridgestone Potenza RE050 on 18" rims, staggered in rim width (8" wide in front, 9" in back) and size (225/40R18 front, 255/35R18 out back). Buying snow tires for those would have been crazy expensive so I decided to get a set of 17" rims that fit (no easy task) and the Michelin winters.

Here's the official description of the Bridgestones and why you don't want them on there in the winter:

"The Potenza RE050A is a Max Performance Summer tire designed to complement the performance of sports cars, sports coupes and sport sedans. While the Potenza RE050 is used as Original Equipment on the supercharged Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan, a Potenza RE050A Scuderia version is used on the 12-cylinder Enzo Ferrari supercar, and a Run Flat version is used on the BMW Z4 sports cars and 5-Series sedans. The Potenza RE050A was developed to provide good traction along with responsive and predictable dry and wet road handling. It is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

I like driving on the Michelins better most of the time anyway - much quieter, a bit of a softer ride, at a cost of not quite so razor-sharp steering and handling.

That's interesting, I put Potenza all seasons on my Eclipse and noticed a really improvement in handling. I wanted to get summer performance tires for the Mustang but always worried if I drove too late in the year the handling characteristics would degrade at below freezing or worse, the tread might be damaged.

OF, your worried about tread damage? What about sliding off the road?
I have a friend who had an Olds Cutlass (that is really dating me) with high performance tires and he couldn't drive if there was any snow on the ground. I hardly ever bought snow tires, but my 2008 BMW Cabriolet couldn't plow through more than 2 inches of snow on the ground.
Don't risk driving in snow without snow tires on your Stang.

ab348

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

stickguy

hope Driver and Dino are OK (both around Tampa, right?) Looks like some bad weather went through last night.

PA west of Philly took a pounding too.

Man, I am tired of weather!

explorerx4

The track is Lime Rock Park, which is about an hour away from me in the very pretty northwest corner of CT.

qbrozen

That I never got to the track with my V-sport will probably be one of my top lifetime regrets.

graphicguy

boomchek said:

Maserati Gran Tursimo convertibles are among my favourite. Lots of space in all 4 seats, amazing engine note, and just an absolute joy to drive. I had a chance to experience them when I worked at Ferrari/Maserati.

Oooooooooo......I’d LOVE to park that at the GG estate. I let you guys talk me out of a Maserati.

graphicguy

ab348 said:

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

I actually had one of those a a loaner from Cadillac for an afternoon. Amazing car. I’ve never driven an M5, which they compare it to. But, just coming from a Stinger test drive, I’d say they’re comparable.

MSRP was close to $70K, though. For that money, there are a lot of really good cars. Not to mention you can get a Stinger or G70 for way less, too.

I believe you own the ideal Cadillac.....ATS with the V6.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

Good link.

oldfarmer50

boomchek said:

Maserati Gran Tursimo convertibles are among my favourite. Lots of space in all 4 seats, amazing engine note, and just an absolute joy to drive. I had a chance to experience them when I worked at Ferrari/Maserati.

The company has a few of those. The one I got to drive was the Quattroporte which wasn't too shabby but that one looks like a lot more fun.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

I actually had one of those a a loaner from Cadillac for an afternoon. Amazing car. I’ve never driven an M5, which they compare it to. But, just coming from a Stinger test drive, I’d say they’re comparable.

MSRP was close to $70K, though. For that money, there are a lot of really good cars. Not to mention you can get a Stinger or G70 for way less, too.

I believe you own the ideal Cadillac.....ATS with the V6.

My friend's CTS-V with the 700 hp Lingenfelter engine package was crazy fun; I did a 200 foot burnout with no trouble at all...

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That's interesting that you do that. Do you have any concerns about switching wheels back and forth that often (like scratching rims or improperly torquing lugs)? I was thinking of doing the same myself.

What catagory of summer tires do you use? Have you experienced any problems as the temps fell below 32F?

I have more risk of curbing the OE 18" wheels than damaging them at the tire shop. They also store them there for me. I have been using that shop for a while, the same tech now does all my work there, so we have a good relationship.

The OE tires are Bridgestone Potenza RE050 on 18" rims, staggered in rim width (8" wide in front, 9" in back) and size (225/40R18 front, 255/35R18 out back). Buying snow tires for those would have been crazy expensive so I decided to get a set of 17" rims that fit (no easy task) and the Michelin winters.

Here's the official description of the Bridgestones and why you don't want them on there in the winter:

"The Potenza RE050A is a Max Performance Summer tire designed to complement the performance of sports cars, sports coupes and sport sedans. While the Potenza RE050 is used as Original Equipment on the supercharged Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan, a Potenza RE050A Scuderia version is used on the 12-cylinder Enzo Ferrari supercar, and a Run Flat version is used on the BMW Z4 sports cars and 5-Series sedans. The Potenza RE050A was developed to provide good traction along with responsive and predictable dry and wet road handling. It is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

I like driving on the Michelins better most of the time anyway - much quieter, a bit of a softer ride, at a cost of not quite so razor-sharp steering and handling.

That's interesting, I put Potenza all seasons on my Eclipse and noticed a really improvement in handling. I wanted to get summer performance tires for the Mustang but always worried if I drove too late in the year the handling characteristics would degrade at below freezing or worse, the tread might be damaged.

OF, your worried about tread damage? What about sliding off the road?
I have a friend who had an Olds Cutlass (that is really dating me) with high performance tires and he couldn't drive if there was any snow on the ground. I hardly ever bought snow tires, but my 2008 BMW Cabriolet couldn't plow through more than 2 inches of snow on the ground.
Don't risk driving in snow without snow tires on your Stang.

Oh, no, no,dear boy....baby would never see snow and the lousy salt that comes with it. I have a whole fleet of hoopties for that.

I do drive into the fall up to the first snow and the temps could potentially get into the 20s. My concern with summer tires is that the rubber compounds lose some of their handling dynamics below freezing and some of them can't even be driven without losing chunks of tread. I was wondering about ab348's experience from a real world standpoint.

BTW, I grew up driving RWD in the snow and my recent winter car was a RWD Lincoln. No biggie.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

boomchek said:

Maserati Gran Tursimo convertibles are among my favourite. Lots of space in all 4 seats, amazing engine note, and just an absolute joy to drive. I had a chance to experience them when I worked at Ferrari/Maserati.

Oooooooooo......I’d LOVE to park that at the GG estate. I let you guys talk me out of a Maserati.

You always had my permission.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

hope Driver and Dino are OK (both around Tampa, right?) Looks like some bad weather went through last night.

PA west of Philly took a pounding too.

Man, I am tired of weather!

Given that @driver100 made a post earlier, I'd say the tornado didn't affect him. Now all we have to do is wait for @dino001 to check in with good news.

I'm with you @Stick, I'm tired of bad weather just from a rainy Summer but I know the Winter in Southwestern PA that is about to start any minute now is not going to be a nice time either, that's for sure.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

I actually had one of those a a loaner from Cadillac for an afternoon. Amazing car. I’ve never driven an M5, which they compare it to. But, just coming from a Stinger test drive, I’d say they’re comparable.

MSRP was close to $70K, though. For that money, there are a lot of really good cars. Not to mention you can get a Stinger or G70 for way less, too.

I believe you own the ideal Cadillac.....ATS with the V6.

My friend's CTS-V with the 700 hp Lingenfelter engine package was crazy fun; I did a 200 foot burnout with no trouble at all...

You could hurt your neck in that thing.

BTW, it had to be a nice burgundy color, huh? Couldn't be a plain white job. I'm getting tired of everyone in here rubbing it in. :@

jmonroe

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

BTW, I grew up driving RWD in the snow and my recent winter car was a RWD Lincoln. No biggie.

I did not grow up in the snowbelt, hence the first time I was exposed, it was a real learning experience. It snows around here maybe once every 10 years, but usually not enough to affect driving. Except for the idiots who act like it's the end of the world.

We do occasionally (every few years) get an ice event. Now that is a whole lot of NOT fun! The drivers have no idea, no one has the right tires, the city and county do not have the equipment and personnel to deal with the bridges and overpasses. Total nightmare.

The worst I can recall (although I didn't have to live through it) was the snow in Atlanta a few years ago. Thousands of people trapped in their cars on the freeways for 24 to 36 hours.

henryn

explorerx4 said:

Carbon fiber exhaust tips, $1500. OK.

I think if I won the lottery, a really big lottery, and I was throwing money around right and left, I would still object to that. There's just something about that which rubs me the wrong way.

explorerx4

That was probably 2 inches of snow in Atlanta.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I do drive into the fall up to the first snow and the temps could potentially get into the 20s. My concern with summer tires is that the rubber compounds lose some of their handling dynamics below freezing and some of them can't even be driven without losing chunks of tread. I was wondering about ab348's experience from a real world standpoint.

I read somewhere (probably on the Cadillac forums) that the tires I have should not be used below 50F. That seems too high to me but that is the number I have in my head. I do understand with some performance tires there is a risk of tread damage if used in the cold, though I dunno if mine are in that category. Not worth taking a chance as we have already have had a few below-zero mornings here.

ab348

henryn said:

explorerx4 said:

Carbon fiber exhaust tips, $1500. OK.

I think if I won the lottery, a really big lottery, and I was throwing money around right and left, I would still object to that. There's just something about that which rubs me the wrong way.

I don't understand the point of carbon fiber exhaust tips. They are already black. What's the fun in that? I love my polished stainless ones, so pretty when clean.

tjc78

This is purely nuts.... check out the clip starting at 1:30. One of the craziest races I’ve watched.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-iHExWjwA


***foul language***

qbrozen

Audi driver is an absolute moron. The planet will be better off when he inevitably kills himself or goes to jail.

sda

That's one detail that a lot of people miss when washing their car, cleaning the exhaust tip(s). Little details make all the difference. When white wall, red walls, lettered tires were popular, not cleaning those made it look like a job not finished.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

I actually had one of those a a loaner from Cadillac for an afternoon. Amazing car. I’ve never driven an M5, which they compare it to. But, just coming from a Stinger test drive, I’d say they’re comparable.

MSRP was close to $70K, though. For that money, there are a lot of really good cars. Not to mention you can get a Stinger or G70 for way less, too.

I believe you own the ideal Cadillac.....ATS with the V6.

My friend's CTS-V with the 700 hp Lingenfelter engine package was crazy fun; I did a 200 foot burnout with no trouble at all...

You could hurt your neck in that thing.

BTW, it had to be a nice burgundy color, huh? Couldn't be a plain white job. I'm getting tired of everyone in here rubbing it in. :@

jmonroe

I saw a G70 in burgandy yesterday. I was going to take a picture of it but I didn't want to get you depressed. That's a nice little car for $43k.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

BTW, I grew up driving RWD in the snow and my recent winter car was a RWD Lincoln. No biggie.

I did not grow up in the snowbelt, hence the first time I was exposed, it was a real learning experience. It snows around here maybe once every 10 years, but usually not enough to affect driving. Except for the idiots who act like it's the end of the world.

We do occasionally (every few years) get an ice event. Now that is a whole lot of NOT fun! The drivers have no idea, no one has the right tires, the city and county do not have the equipment and personnel to deal with the bridges and overpasses. Total nightmare.

The worst I can recall (although I didn't have to live through it) was the snow in Atlanta a few years ago. Thousands of people trapped in their cars on the freeways for 24 to 36 hours.

Why would you sit in your car for 36 hours? Unless there was 6 feet of snow or I was barefoot, I'd start hiking to the nearest waffle house.

roadburner

Well, I spent an hour today repairing the Keurig coffeemaker; a bit of a fiddly job, but it beats buying a new one.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I do drive into the fall up to the first snow and the temps could potentially get into the 20s. My concern with summer tires is that the rubber compounds lose some of their handling dynamics below freezing and some of them can't even be driven without losing chunks of tread. I was wondering about ab348's experience from a real world standpoint.

I read somewhere (probably on the Cadillac forums) that the tires I have should not be used below 50F. That seems too high to me but that is the number I have in my head. I do understand with some performance tires there is a risk of tread damage if used in the cold, though I dunno if mine are in that category. Not worth taking a chance as we have already have had a few below-zero mornings here.

I assume you're referring to degrees C when you say nights below zero. What's the coldest you've driven the summer tires and did you notice any dramatic differences?

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Well, I spent an hour today repairing the Keurig coffeemaker; a bit of a fiddly job, but it beats buying a new one.

I replace my Mr. Coffee about once a year for$16. Before they started making them in China they cost $25-30 but lasted a lot longer.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

Here's a fun video from R&T about the Cadillac CTS V-Sport (with a gratuitous shot at the infotainment system that is seemingly required by the Union of Automotive Journalists):

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a24165276/cadillac-cts-v-sport-video-review/

I actually had one of those a a loaner from Cadillac for an afternoon. Amazing car. I’ve never driven an M5, which they compare it to. But, just coming from a Stinger test drive, I’d say they’re comparable.

MSRP was close to $70K, though. For that money, there are a lot of really good cars. Not to mention you can get a Stinger or G70 for way less, too.

I believe you own the ideal Cadillac.....ATS with the V6.

My friend's CTS-V with the 700 hp Lingenfelter engine package was crazy fun; I did a 200 foot burnout with no trouble at all...

You could hurt your neck in that thing.

BTW, it had to be a nice burgundy color, huh? Couldn't be a plain white job. I'm getting tired of everyone in here rubbing it in. :@

jmonroe

I saw a G70 in burgandy yesterday. I was going to take a picture of it but I didn't want to get you depressed. That's a nice little car for $43k.

Thanks, you're now at the top of my poster-buddy list.

jmonroe

driver100

stickguy said:

hope Driver and Dino are OK (both around Tampa, right?) Looks like some bad weather went through last night.

PA west of Philly took a pounding too.

Man, I am tired of weather!

Thanks for asking Stick, not sure if Dino reported in yet.
The tornadoes...4 of them, were about one hour North of us.
The sky got dark, the wind was strong, the rain came driving down,,,it was about 1/100th of a hurricane, but still pretty awesome, makes you think.
We had a few rounds of the loudest thunder I have ever heard......the whole house shook (it isn't a mobile home), but, no real damage anywhere around...a few smaller branches down.

Jmonroe did some good detective work knowing I would have mentioned it in my earlier post before going to pickleball.