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ab348

qbrozen said:

But didn’t you just say they are talking about getting rid of all coins? So no coins and no bills smaller than $5 means nothing can cost less than $5 and then go up in $5 increments from there.

No, "other coins", meaning the nickel is next. We still have dimes (for now) and quarters.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Any list I have seen rates the Odyssey minivan as #1 including this list from US News.
2019 Honda Odyssey. Find Best Price. The 2019 Honda Odyssey finishes near the top of our minivan rankings. ...
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. Find Best Price. ...
2019 Chrysler Pacifica. Find Best Price. ...
2018 Kia Sedona. Find Best Price. ...
2019 Toyota Sienna. Find Best Price. ...
2019 Dodge Grand Caravan. Find Best Pric

Wait, is the Odyssey #1 or is it near the top? Near the top implies close to but not at the top.

driver100 said:

BTW....I saw that ad on TV and they say...."In a Nationwide survey Chevy came first" Who knows what survey it is, which models are involved, etc. Why don't they name the survey, maybe it was GM dealers.

I once took an entrepreneur course and they said it is good to make a little badge that says you won a contest even if it is something you made up, or if it is a relative for example, and say you were voted best......do this on your brochures.

Surveys are like polls, you can always find someone to conduct one to give you a predetermined result.

snakeweasel

deleting duplicate post, sorry all.

But hey it gets my post count up.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

how does that work? Literally no mile or year limit?

IIRC reading the fine print once the estimated repair bill exceeds the estimated value of the car the warranty ends.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

I notice even Honda offers extended warranties for their cars, so they must find they're not infallable and able to walk on water like the Civic in the picture tried. I haven't shopped but I'll bet Mercedes offers warranties.

Nope, if you build an infallible car then it's a no brainer to offer an extended warranty. Just collect the money and have no warranty repairs on those infallible cars.

bwia

graphicguy saihid:

@bwia I’ve heard of The Soul of the Machine. Will have to check it out. Thanks. One small correction, i never worked for Data General, although they did try to hire me once. I worked for Control Data....the now defunct Super Computer company.

@GG, sorry about mixing up Control Data with Data General.Nevertheless, here is how the back cover summarizes the treatise:

"Computers have changed since 1981, when Tracy Kidder indelibly recorded the drama, comedy, and excitement of one company's efforts to bring a new microcomputer to market. What has changed little, however, is computer culture: the feverish pace of the high-tech industry, the mystique of programmers, the go-for-broke approach to business that has caused so many computer companies to win big (or go belly up), and the cult of pursuing mind-bending technological innovations.

By tracing computer culture to its roots, by exploring the "soul" of the "machine" that has revolutionized the world, Kidder succeeds as no other writer has done in capturing the essential spirit of the computer age."*  

snakeweasel

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through!

I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

snakeweasel

dino001 said:

Void

Then God said "Let their be light" but God forgot to register that light with BMW so the light didn't work.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.

Gee I only had one vehicle that didn't go past 100K miles and that's only because some lady made a left turn in front of me.

Would you believe that between my and the wife's car we have a combined 225K miles?

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

That's a good point!

Maybe the Chrysler ads should say, "Since most of the parts on your car will be replaced many times with brand new parts....our cars last longer"

11 years and 133K miles and all original parts on mine.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

What's with PA telling commercial vehicles they can't come into PA. They're saying find somewhere to park in OHIO. We're going to be full of semis with as much traffic as flows on I70 and I80...

NY did the same thing. Political grandstanding.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

Farmer. I assume that GT500 was for charity. Some of those go for crazy money.

and good luck this weekend, with the feet of snow followed by sub zero temps!

Yes, it was for charity.

We’re due for 14-20” of snow tonight and everyone is freaking out. So if you don’t hear from me again it’s because I was eaten by polar bears.

I have to go to work Monday at 5:30 and it’s suppose to be -7 with wind. Long johns here I come.

We were promised 6 to 8" today and I think we got half of that.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

dino001 said:

Void

Then God said "Let their be light" but God forgot to register that light with BMW so the light didn't work.

That’s great!🤣

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!

I think that if you use cash to buy stamps at the automated machines at the post office they will dispense dollar coins as change.

I really think they should dump singles and $2 bills and replace them with coins.

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!

If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

Huh?? So a pack of gum can cost no less than $5? How the hell is that gonna work?

You can pay with the gum using a $1 or $2 coin.......and if it is a vending machine it can give you back change, but not pennies.
They should do away with 5 cent and 10 cent coins too....they are almost useless.
When we got rid of pennies we just round off to the nearest nickel.

But didn’t you just say they are talking about getting rid of all coins? So no coins and no bills smaller than $5 means nothing can cost less than $5 and then go up in $5 increments from there.

I think ab meant 5, 10 25 cent coins. We still use $1 and $2 coins...they are like real money. Quarters car even useful, I think we could keep them, they work at the DIY carwash.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty

Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

If it causes you emotional distress, then yes, that's included.

Thanks, many sleepless nights and sessions with my shrink.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Any list I have seen rates the Odyssey minivan as #1 including this list from US News.
2019 Honda Odyssey. Find Best Price. The 2019 Honda Odyssey finishes near the top of our minivan rankings. ...
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. Find Best Price. ...
2019 Chrysler Pacifica. Find Best Price. ...
2018 Kia Sedona. Find Best Price. ...
2019 Toyota Sienna. Find Best Price. ...
2019 Dodge Grand Caravan. Find Best Pric

Wait, is the Odyssey #1 or is it near the top? Near the top implies close to but not at the top.

driver100 said:

BTW....I saw that ad on TV and they say...."In a Nationwide survey Chevy came first" Who knows what survey it is, which models are involved, etc. Why don't they name the survey, maybe it was GM dealers.

I once took an entrepreneur course and they said it is good to make a little badge that says you won a contest even if it is something you made up, or if it is a relative for example, and say you were voted best......do this on your brochures.

Surveys are like polls, you can always find someone to conduct one to give you a predetermined result.

I noticed that too. I think someone got a bit mixed up. I guess if it is at the top it is also near the top.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

A few days ago we were talking about how young folks didn’t understand old tech like rotary phones. Today at the drive thru I had a similar experience.

My order was for $10.40 so I gave the kid a $10 bill and a $2 bill (yeah they still make ‘em). I immediately could tell I had stirred something up as the kid looked and looked at the bill and just stood there confused. He called his manager over and held it up to the light while having an animated discussion. He even seemed to be googling something on his phone. Finally he had to consult with the boss again because there was no slot in his drawer for $2 bills.

As he handed me my change I asked “did that $2 bill throw you?” He sheepishly said “yeah”.

That was mean oldfarmer giving the kid a two dollar bill. Wasn't there a saying many years ago "That's as phony as a $2 bill"? Should have said $3 bill then it would make sense.

Nope, the saying was "as phony as a $3 bill". The $2 bill goes as far back as the 5cent bill.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.

Gee I only had one vehicle that didn't go past 100K miles and that's only because some lady made a left turn in front of me.

Would you believe that between my and the wife's car we have a combined 225K miles?

Which one has the 220k miles on it?

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!

If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

I haven’t seen a US 50 cent coin in a long time. Most of the old ones were melted down when silver prices spiked years ago.

My American Legion post uses half dollars for change.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

A few days ago we were talking about how young folks didn’t understand old tech like rotary phones. Today at the drive thru I had a similar experience.

My order was for $10.40 so I gave the kid a $10 bill and a $2 bill (yeah they still make ‘em). I immediately could tell I had stirred something up as the kid looked and looked at the bill and just stood there confused. He called his manager over and held it up to the light while having an animated discussion. He even seemed to be googling something on his phone. Finally he had to consult with the boss again because there was no slot in his drawer for $2 bills.

As he handed me my change I asked “did that $2 bill throw you?” He sheepishly said “yeah”.

That was mean oldfarmer giving the kid a two dollar bill. Wasn't there a saying many years ago "That's as phony as a $2 bill"? Should have said $3 bill then it would make sense.

Nope, the saying was "as phony as a $3 bill". The $2 bill goes as far back as the 5cent bill.

Man is sent to jail for trying to use $2 bills to pay at Best Buy;
https://youtu.be/iS3yjfefUD8

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

dino001 said:

Void

Then God said "Let their be light" but God forgot to register that light with BMW so the light didn't work.

That’s great!🤣

Well I am at my tax job right now and its to early in the season so I am very bored.

To make matters worse they stuck me at a Wal Mart.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.

Gee I only had one vehicle that didn't go past 100K miles and that's only because some lady made a left turn in front of me.

Would you believe that between my and the wife's car we have a combined 225K miles?

Which one has the 220k miles on it?

The Chrysler has just over 133K miles and the Hyundai is pushing 90K.

snakeweasel

Got a phone call (really a voice mail) from my dealership about the car I purchased from them saying that they could get me into a newer car for the same monthly payment.

Two issues, while we get my car serviced there (just down the street from where I work) We didn't buy it there. We never bought a car from them. The other issue is both cars are paid off so we don't have a monthly payment, do you think they can match that?

stickguy

they can't get rid of quarters. You wouldn't be able to get a shopping cart at Aldi!

I got another letter from a local Nissan dealer telling me they can take my leased Highlander back there and I don't have to return it to Toyota. They send that occasionally, and email too.

problem is, I never bought a car from them, and never leased a Highlander. I have no idea why they are so sure I lease a Highlander but they think the lease is up in April so maybe they will stop bothering me about it.

28firefighter

Strange. Have you checked your credit report recently?

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.

Gee I only had one vehicle that didn't go past 100K miles and that's only because some lady made a left turn in front of me.

Would you believe that between my and the wife's car we have a combined 225K miles?

Which one has the 220k miles on it?

The Chrysler has just over 133K miles and the Hyundai is pushing 90K.

The 2014 C250 has 26k miles on it and I was wondering if it was time to trade it in.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.

Gee I only had one vehicle that didn't go past 100K miles and that's only because some lady made a left turn in front of me.

Would you believe that between my and the wife's car we have a combined 225K miles?

My cars total 259k miles, 349k if you count my son’s. Heck, I had 259k on my old F 150.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

A few days ago we were talking about how young folks didn’t understand old tech like rotary phones. Today at the drive thru I had a similar experience.

My order was for $10.40 so I gave the kid a $10 bill and a $2 bill (yeah they still make ‘em). I immediately could tell I had stirred something up as the kid looked and looked at the bill and just stood there confused. He called his manager over and held it up to the light while having an animated discussion. He even seemed to be googling something on his phone. Finally he had to consult with the boss again because there was no slot in his drawer for $2 bills.

As he handed me my change I asked “did that $2 bill throw you?” He sheepishly said “yeah”.

That was mean oldfarmer giving the kid a two dollar bill. Wasn't there a saying many years ago "That's as phony as a $2 bill"? Should have said $3 bill then it would make sense.

Nope, the saying was "as phony as a $3 bill". The $2 bill goes as far back as the 5cent bill.

Man is sent to jail for trying to use $2 bills to pay at Best Buy;
https://youtu.be/iS3yjfefUD8

Ha ha, that kid at the end looked just like the one I got all flustered.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty

Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

If it causes you emotional distress, then yes, that's included.

Thanks, many sleepless nights and sessions with my shrink.

Gee, I would have listened to you for a lot cheaper.

qbrozen

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through! I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

oldfarmer50

Real or camera tricks?

https://youtu.be/iIRVrQ5cRks

driver100

I think it is real because it shows the speed in relation to other cars. But, how fast was he going - did I miss that? It seemed pretty fast, like 150. I sometimes think someone driving like that doesn't really have a clue what he is doing....there are too many variables that he can't plan for. If you drive like that you don't respect what speed really is.

stickguy

well, just need to look at the speedo in the video. and of course, convert from KM if you want MPH

qbrozen

I’m baffled how they can rev it so high with that kind of boost. 

henryn

Yeah, that would have been around 150 mph. Anyone driving that fast on the public roads should be locked up and lose their license. Permananently.

snakeweasel

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through!

I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

Real or camera tricks?

https://youtu.be/iIRVrQ5cRks

I would say that if it's real it's not a stock engine.

qbrozen

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through! I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

There is a year zero by astronomical calendar. There are many people throughout history, smarter than you or me, who count a year 0. And, frankly, it makes sense to me that since we don’t jump from 99 to 101 nor from 999 to 1001, we also would not jump from -1 to 1.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty

Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

There are exceptions to every rule.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through!

I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

There is a year zero by astronomical calendar. There are many people throughout history, smarter than you or me, who count a year 0. And, frankly, it makes sense to me that since we don’t jump from 99 to 101 nor from 999 to 1001, we also would not jump from -1 to 1.


But in the Gregorian calendar (the one we are using) there is no year zero. Year -1 and prior are denoted as BC or Before Christ and the year 1 and beyond as AD or Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord). So year 0 would not be before Christ nor in the dominion of Christ, yet any year must be on one or the other hence the year 0 cannot exist in the Gregorian calendar.

qbrozen

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through! I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

There is a year zero by astronomical calendar. There are many people throughout history, smarter than you or me, who count a year 0. And, frankly, it makes sense to me that since we don’t jump from 99 to 101 nor from 999 to 1001, we also would not jump from -1 to 1.

But in the Gregorian calendar (the one we are using) there is no year zero. Year -1 and prior are denoted as BC or Before Christ and the year 1 and beyond as AD or Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord). So year 0 would not be before Christ nor in the dominion of Christ, yet any year must be on one or the other hence the year 0 cannot exist in the Gregorian calendar.

Neither of us is “wrong,” and we can certainly disagree. 

snakeweasel

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through!

I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

There is a year zero by astronomical calendar. There are many people throughout history, smarter than you or me, who count a year 0. And, frankly, it makes sense to me that since we don’t jump from 99 to 101 nor from 999 to 1001, we also would not jump from -1 to 1.


But in the Gregorian calendar (the one we are using) there is no year zero. Year -1 and prior are denoted as BC or Before Christ and the year 1 and beyond as AD or Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord). So year 0 would not be before Christ nor in the dominion of Christ, yet any year must be on one or the other hence the year 0 cannot exist in the Gregorian calendar.

Neither of us is “wrong,” and we can certainly disagree. 

Since we disagree one or both of us has to be wrong. It's simple, the calendar we use has no year zero, therefore the century started in 2001.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty

Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

There are exceptions to every rule.

jmonroe

Come on, you know that every one of you guys who teased driver100 about that shirt ran right out and bought a couple for himself. You were just jealous that driver wore it so well.

abacomike

driver100 said:

My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.

Gee I only had one vehicle that didn't go past 100K miles and that's only because some lady made a left turn in front of me. Would you believe that between my and the wife's car we have a combined 225K miles?

Which one has the 220k miles on it?

The Chrysler has just over 133K miles and the Hyundai is pushing 90K.

The 2014 C250 has 26k miles on it and I was wondering if it was time to trade it in.

It’s ALWAYS time to trade “it” in! 

abacomike

After driving this new E Class sedan for a few days, I can honestly say that Mercedes has “cheapened” it since I had an E Class Sedan in 2015.  More use of plastics inside; stiffer riding and handling to a fault; smaller and less comfortable seating; poorer rear visibility.

I do like the wider main dash screen for better GPS visibility as well as the larger brake discs and calipers.  The vehicle is very responsive to driver steering and braking input, but as I mentioned previously, the engine is slow to respond to driver input and very underpowered @ 240 hp for a 4000 pound car.  

Highway friving is quite good in terms of road feedback to the steering wheel and smooth responsiveness once you’ve attained highway speed.  Fuel economy is actually lower than my S450 which is 600 pounds heavier.  I would suspect that the new E450 is a much better option over the E300.  I drove an E450 last month and boy is it fast and responsive.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through! I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

There is a year zero by astronomical calendar. There are many people throughout history, smarter than you or me, who count a year 0. And, frankly, it makes sense to me that since we don’t jump from 99 to 101 nor from 999 to 1001, we also would not jump from -1 to 1.

But in the Gregorian calendar (the one we are using) there is no year zero. Year -1 and prior are denoted as BC or Before Christ and the year 1 and beyond as AD or Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord). So year 0 would not be before Christ nor in the dominion of Christ, yet any year must be on one or the other hence the year 0 cannot exist in the Gregorian calendar.

Neither of us is “wrong,” and we can certainly disagree. 

Since we disagree one or both of us has to be wrong. It's simple, the calendar we use has no year zero, therefore the century started in 2001.

When you’ve gotten to the point of presenting a case for what a “century” consists of in terms of days, it is obvious we have begun to run out of topics we’ve not yet discussed here on this board.  But, well done Snake on your above presentation - I learned something! 

qbrozen

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

snakeweasel said:

To me anything built in this century is new.

I can't believe I missed this gem the first time through! I agree! I find it a little shocking every time I remind myself that we're on the twentieth year of century already.

You might be in the 20th year of this century but the rest of us just started the 19th year. So how are things in the future?

Oh, I disagree. We are all in the 20th year. Think about it. The year 2000 was indeed part of this century.

You can disagree all you want but you would be wrong. The year 2000 was in the last century. Consider this, there was no year zero, 1 BC was followed by 1AD. Hence the 1st century was 1AD through 100AD, the second century started in the year 101 and so forth with each century ending in a year that ended in a double zero. For the year 2000 to be in the 21st century somewhere a century had to be only 99 years. So the current century started in 2001, we are in the 19th year of the current century.

There is a year zero by astronomical calendar. There are many people throughout history, smarter than you or me, who count a year 0. And, frankly, it makes sense to me that since we don’t jump from 99 to 101 nor from 999 to 1001, we also would not jump from -1 to 1.

But in the Gregorian calendar (the one we are using) there is no year zero. Year -1 and prior are denoted as BC or Before Christ and the year 1 and beyond as AD or Anno Domini (in the year of our Lord). So year 0 would not be before Christ nor in the dominion of Christ, yet any year must be on one or the other hence the year 0 cannot exist in the Gregorian calendar.

Neither of us is “wrong,” and we can certainly disagree. 

Since we disagree one or both of us has to be wrong. It's simple, the calendar we use has no year zero, therefore the century started in 2001.

The calendars I “use” have never displayed days prior to my birth year. Just how old are you?
My calendars also don’t state they are Gregorian.
And, no, since there are multiple answers and you can find people on both sides of the topic, one of us does not have to be wrong.  

So since you know so much about that particular calendar, I have always beem curious about some details maybe you can clear up. 
1. Why does “Before Christ” end 358 days before his birth?
2. Why doesn’t each new year start with his birthday?

bwia

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

dino001 said:

Void

Then God said "Let their be light" but God forgot to register that light with BMW so the light didn't work.

That’s great!🤣

Well I am at my tax job right now and its to early in the season so I am very bored.
To make matters worse they stuck me at a Wal Mart.

@snakeweasel, I would expect the Tax Cut and Jobs Act will make your work must easier this year. The IRS estimates that 12% of households will itemize leaving a whopping 88% who will take the increased standard deduction. So I would expect you to charge much less per Federal return. Fat chance. Not sure if the new law simplifies State taxes though.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty

Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

There are exceptions to every rule.

jmonroe

Come on, you know that every one of you guys who teased driver100 about that shirt ran right out and bought a couple for himself. You were just jealous that driver wore it so well.

Now this man deserves an Edmund's free T-shirt, possibly not a horizontal striped one though.