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imidazol97

driver100 said:

You can try this simple recipe, Canada Goose with popcorn stuffing;

Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Brush Goose well with melted butter, salt, and pepper.

Fill cavity with stuffing and popcorn. Place in baking pan making sure the neck end is toward the front of the oven, not the back.

After about 4 hours listen for the sounds of popping kernels.

When the turkey's rear blows the oven door open and the bird flies across the room... You know it's Done!!

Sounds like something from an "I Love Lucy" skit--the days of real television humor and acting skills.

driver100

henryn said:

driver100 said:

They weren't reliable at first, then they learned how to copy better than the original. But, reliability isn't an innovation, that is just copying better. Not denying they do a good job of copying, but, very little actual innovation....oh yeh, forgot the floating roofline.

I'm sorry, but that is a nonsensical statement. How exactly would you "copy better than the original"???

You could "copy", and then "improve on the copy" but it would no longer be a copy.

I saw a Michael Jackson imitator in Las Vegas who was better than the original. He was more like Michael Jackson than Michael Jackson.

driver100

fintail said:

I think the modern pioneer of the played out faux floating C-pillar is the Opel Adam, entering production 6 years ago:



No need to innovate when the product is reliable, and maybe puts on an aggressive face to fool the masses. Most people have little desire for bleeding edge tech or good design.

driver100 said:

They weren't reliable at first, then they learned how to copy better than the original. But, reliability isn't an innovation, that is just copying better. Not denying they do a good job of copying, but, very little actual innovation....oh yeh, forgot the floating roofline.

I don't think anyone would copy any design ideas from that car. It is similar to the floating roofline design, but not really....just trying to make it look unique. I would liken it to the roof pillar in a QX50...just trying to be different.

driver100

suydam said:

I’m curious. What would be late 60’s “original” of a car like the Honda Accord or Toyota Corolla? I know when my mom bought a Corona in 1969, it was because she couldn’t find a compact American vehicle.

Valiant, Falcon. Don't forget all the small British cars, Hillmans, Austin, Morris, etc.
They didn't really originate the small car. They took small British type cars and made them reliable.....copied!

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

People in FL get what they pay for, maybe like that part of the country in general. Low taxes, low amenities, other issues. I like in an area invaded by transplants, and I know nobody who moved to FL and didn't come running back.

stickguy said:

nice house. and cheap per Zillow. I can see why people move to FLorida if can get that house for that price, and negligible property taxes (and cheap state taxes). I just know that my wife would never live there year round.

Strange, I know nobody who moved to Florida that didn't stay.

I do! The BUGS and the humidity got to them and they bailed out of Florida!

Wait until the serious flooding starts to get worse. St Petersburg, Tampa, Miami, Miami Beach and Panama City are predicted to be seriously compromised. Zillow advises buyers that 1 in 8 homes in Florida will be underwater by 2100 and NOAA says that Miami streets will flood every year after 2070. Nothing for US to worry about unless you are a baby checking into the Forums.

Good, we are about 25 feet above sea level....should make our place more valuable.
I don't expect to be here in 2070 anyway.....no problem.

driver100

berri said:

I'll give this to Japan years back; they forced GM and Ford to up their quality and get more efficient. Good news, because today I think things have leveled quite a bit between the different manufacturer's. Just imagine what the vehicle situation in the US would be today if the GM Ford duopoly still reigned - remember the quality level and price increases back in the 70's before the Asians set up transplants?

The quality of Asian cars made American cars much better.

driver100

fintail said:

I think the modern pioneer of the played out faux floating C-pillar is the Opel Adam, entering production 6 years ago:



No need to innovate when the product is reliable, and maybe puts on an aggressive face to fool the masses. Most people have little desire for bleeding edge tech or good design.

driver100 said:

They weren't reliable at first, then they learned how to copy better than the original. But, reliability isn't an innovation, that is just copying better. Not denying they do a good job of copying, but, very little actual innovation....oh yeh, forgot the floating roofline.

Actually, I think that roof was copied from a 1956 Hillman Californian model;

snakeweasel

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

People in FL get what they pay for, maybe like that part of the country in general. Low taxes, low amenities, other issues. I like in an area invaded by transplants, and I know nobody who moved to FL and didn't come running back.

stickguy said:

nice house. and cheap per Zillow. I can see why people move to FLorida if can get that house for that price, and negligible property taxes (and cheap state taxes). I just know that my wife would never live there year round.

Strange, I know nobody who moved to Florida that didn't stay.

I do! The BUGS and the humidity got to them and they bailed out of Florida!

My guess is the people that move to Florida then leave have no real experience with their summers. People who stay were aware of it going in.

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

People in FL get what they pay for, maybe like that part of the country in general. Low taxes, low amenities, other issues. I like in an area invaded by transplants, and I know nobody who moved to FL and didn't come running back.

stickguy said:

nice house. and cheap per Zillow. I can see why people move to FLorida if can get that house for that price, and negligible property taxes (and cheap state taxes). I just know that my wife would never live there year round.

Strange, I know nobody who moved to Florida that didn't stay.

I do! The BUGS and the humidity got to them and they bailed out of Florida!

Wait until the serious flooding starts to get worse. St Petersburg, Tampa, Miami, Miami Beach and Panama City are predicted to be seriously compromised. Zillow advises buyers that 1 in 8 homes in Florida will be underwater by 2100 and NOAA says that Miami streets will flood every year after 2070. Nothing for US to worry about unless you are a baby checking into the Forums.

I am still waiting for all the environmental disasters that I was warned about in the 70's. Also wasn't Al Gore training us a long time ago that the polar ice packs would be gone by now?

cdnpinhead

It's (moderately) interesting that in the East people tend to move south permanently to FL or NC (among others), while out here the snowbirds are very much a migratory species -- November through March, as a rule, though there's a bump up after the new year. I'm not sure why, but I get the impression that there aren't so many people moving back and forth twice a year (Driver notwithstanding) to FL. AZ summers (where most people live) are horrible, but I'd submit that FL summers are every much as bad.. Go figure.

Mr_Shiftright

Your wait is over.

snakeweasel

cdnpinhead said:

It's (moderately) interesting that in the East people tend to move south permanently to FL or NC (among others), while out here the snowbirds are very much a migratory species -- November through March, as a rule, though there's a bump up after the new year. I'm not sure why, but I get the impression that there aren't so many people moving back and forth twice a year (Driver notwithstanding) to FL. AZ summers (where most people live) are horrible, but I'd submit that FL summers are every much as bad.. Go figure.

I would gladly suffer through hot and humid Florida summers if it means I never have to see this again.

Mr_Shiftright

It does seem to be easier to get cool than get warm. I still don't know why ancient humans migrated from Africa to Norway.

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

It does seem to be easier to get cool than get warm. I still don't know why ancient humans migrated from Africa to Norway.

Because being a Viking is simply awesome.

ab348

I had lunch with a group of 60-somethings today and the unanimous opinion was that tolerance for winter weather decreases exponentially with increasing age. 

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

I had lunch with a group of 60-somethings today and the unanimous opinion was that tolerance for winter weather decreases exponentially with increasing age. 

Well there are actual biological reasons for that, related to aging. Manufacturers of heated seats figured this out long ago.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

berri said:

I'll give this to Japan years back; they forced GM and Ford to up their quality and get more efficient. Good news, because today I think things have leveled quite a bit between the different manufacturer's. Just imagine what the vehicle situation in the US would be today if the GM Ford duopoly still reigned - remember the quality level and price increases back in the 70's before the Asians set up transplants?

The quality of Asian cars made American cars much better.

Speaking of American quality, does anyone have an opinion on the Chevy Equinox? Wife though it looked “cute” but I hear the 1.5L base engine is kind of slow.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

I had lunch with a group of 60-somethings today and the unanimous opinion was that tolerance for winter weather decreases exponentially with increasing age. 

Pushing 60 here and I can attest that winters seem to be getting harder and harder to tolerate.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

People in FL get what they pay for, maybe like that part of the country in general. Low taxes, low amenities, other issues. I like in an area invaded by transplants, and I know nobody who moved to FL and didn't come running back.

stickguy said:

nice house. and cheap per Zillow. I can see why people move to FLorida if can get that house for that price, and negligible property taxes (and cheap state taxes). I just know that my wife would never live there year round.

Strange, I know nobody who moved to Florida that didn't stay.

I do! The BUGS and the humidity got to them and they bailed out of Florida!

My guess is the people that move to Florida then leave have no real experience with their summers. People who stay were aware of it going in.

My tennis friends who decided to move completely to Florida often find the summers hard to take, but, they say they find ways to cope.....stay in air conditioning a lot, or in the pool, and play tennis early in the day.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

It's (moderately) interesting that in the East people tend to move south permanently to FL or NC (among others), while out here the snowbirds are very much a migratory species -- November through March, as a rule, though there's a bump up after the new year. I'm not sure why, but I get the impression that there aren't so many people moving back and forth twice a year (Driver notwithstanding) to FL. AZ summers (where most people live) are horrible, but I'd submit that FL summers are every much as bad.. Go figure.

cdn, I migrate because I have to, and I prefer it this way. But, the people who move to Florida permanently just find it too hard and expensive to keep two places going....and, if they have to choose one, they choose Florida because as people get older they like the cold less and less, and the cost of living is a lot lower. Besides, every day feels like you are at camp for adults in Florida.....it simplifies your life, it is easy, and it is fun.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

It does seem to be easier to get cool than get warm. I still don't know why ancient humans migrated from Africa to Norway.

Or why my grandfather ended up in Canada instead of Florida.

driver100

ab348 said:

I had lunch with a group of 60-somethings today and the unanimous opinion was that tolerance for winter weather decreases exponentially with increasing age. 

A lot of people feel that they will live longer if they are in Florida for the winter. For one thing, you can get out and exercise more. The sun feels good. Fewer colds or flu since you are outdoors and have stronger resistance. And, a lot less chance of falling because of ice or being in a car accident. And, you aren't cooped up all day.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

ab348 said:

I had lunch with a group of 60-somethings today and the unanimous opinion was that tolerance for winter weather decreases exponentially with increasing age. 

Pushing 60 here and I can attest that winters seem to be getting harder and harder to tolerate.

I will be 72 in a few months, we have had our Florida place for 8 years....which has flown by, but, every year I am more and more thankful I don't have to put up with cold and snow.

explorerx4

I'd rather have cold than hot and humid. Of course, not cold all the time.
Shoveling/Snow blowing snow can be a lot of work, but I don't really mind it.
The other day, several of my neighbors didn't mind it either since they were cleaning other neighbor's sidewalks.
We had someone who used to live around the corner visit for the weekend.
They kept looking out the back of the house and saying there is nothing like that where they live in Florida.
It's all homes, apartments and shopping areas. Nothing nice to look at.

Michaell

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

berri said:

I'll give this to Japan years back; they forced GM and Ford to up their quality and get more efficient. Good news, because today I think things have leveled quite a bit between the different manufacturer's. Just imagine what the vehicle situation in the US would be today if the GM Ford duopoly still reigned - remember the quality level and price increases back in the 70's before the Asians set up transplants?

The quality of Asian cars made American cars much better.

Speaking of American quality, does anyone have an opinion on the Chevy Equinox? Wife though it looked “cute” but I hear the 1.5L base engine is kind of slow.

Compared to the PT? Probably faster.

I had one as a rental last year. I thought it was just fine.

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

I migrate because I have to, and I prefer it this way.

You're fortunate to be able to move back and forth. My impression is that many/most of the snowbirds in the East can't or don't choose to afford two dwellings, so they put up with the FL "issues."

abacomike

When I lived in New York City (22 years) and in Chicago (23 years) I merely coped with the winters and the cold and snow that season brings with it.  I had no choice given my circumstances.

I then had the opportunity to work in a private school in the California Desert where winters were comfortable (65-75 degrees) but the summers were almost unbearable (105-109 degrees).  But I vowed to never live through a winter again where there was snow and temps below 50 degrees.

I ended up here in South Florida where the weather is delightful in winter.  Yes, we have warm summers (90-95 degrees) with humidity but I live here 12 months a year and have acclimated to summer life - I just stay in air-conditioned environs with brief excursions in the summer heat when I walk to or from my car.  I have remote start on the car so I run the car for 5 minutes before I go down to get inside the car.  I have cooled seats as well.

But the cost of living here is what attracts me the most.  I live on $3000 a month which covers all my expenses including insurance, HOA dues, food, phone, electricity, car payment, gasoline, etc.  That leaves me with $2000 a month to play with - send money every month to my grandson who is at college, go to the casino 2-3 times a month, movies, lunches out with my friends, clothing (which is rare due to warm climate), etc.  I fly my kids here once each year as well.

I have looked into moving to northern Florida near Jacksonville, but my cost of living would go up 30% because I have no mortgage on my condo but would need to rent or take out a mortgage on another condo.

In summary, I like it here given my situation.  And I am at least 10 miles west of the ocean so I have no concerns about flooding. 

ruking1

Finally on I-5 in CA, there is a proposal for certain sections to have an unlimited speed limit, like on the autobahn !

venture

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

berri said:

I'll give this to Japan years back; they forced GM and Ford to up their quality and get more efficient. Good news, because today I think things have leveled quite a bit between the different manufacturer's. Just imagine what the vehicle situation in the US would be today if the GM Ford duopoly still reigned - remember the quality level and price increases back in the 70's before the Asians set up transplants?

The quality of Asian cars made American cars much better.

Speaking of American quality, does anyone have an opinion on the Chevy Equinox? Wife though it looked “cute” but I hear the 1.5L base engine is kind of slow.

What's the hurry?

driver100

explorerx4 said:

I'd rather have cold than hot and humid. Of course, not cold all the time.
Shoveling/Snow blowing snow can be a lot of work, but I don't really mind it.
The other day, several of my neighbors didn't mind it either since they were cleaning other neighbor's sidewalks.
We had someone who used to live around the corner visit for the weekend.
They kept looking out the back of the house and saying there is nothing like that where they live in Florida.
It's all homes, apartments and shopping areas. Nothing nice to look at.

Let's see what you think when you are 60+.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

I migrate because I have to, and I prefer it this way.

You're fortunate to be able to move back and forth. My impression is that many/most of the snowbirds in the East can't or don't choose to afford two dwellings, so they put up with the FL "issues."

Some start out with two homes....and if they can they maintain two homes. But, many find maintaining two homes is costly, so they decide to sell the northern home. It helps if they have relatives or kids they can visit in the summer....to break the hot summer up a bit.

tjc78

I could never live south. I loathe the heat so much I'll put up with the cold

I just came back from a trip to Scottsdale (work) and the first thing I noticed on the drive to the hotel were these almost commercial size AC units on the roof of every house. If that's what you need to stay cool.... I'm out.

abacomike

driver100 said:

I migrate because I have to, and I prefer it this way.

You're fortunate to be able to move back and forth. My impression is that many/most of the snowbirds in the East can't or don't choose to afford two dwellings, so they put up with the FL "issues."

Some start out with two homes....and if they can they maintain two homes. But, many find maintaining two homes is costly, so they decide to sell the northern home. It helps if they have relatives or kids they can visit in the summer....to break the hot summer up a bit.

Breaking up the summer by going to New York, Chicago or most other cities at the same latitudes in the East or Midwest does not solve the heat and humidity problem.  It’s almost the same climate - hot and humid.

But the Pacific coastline would be cooler and less humid as well as the Maine coastline (cooler but still humid).  Many Floridians rent cabins in the mountains of NC, NY, VT, PA, etc, where temps are cooler.  My parents used to spend 6-8 weeks each summer at Grossingers Hotel in the Catskills.  Not cheap, but quite comfortable.

stickguy

I am the opposite. I don't mind heat but have trouble dealing with being freezing cold. Especially since I spend a lot of time outside regardless of the weather, thanks to walking the dog 2x daily.

imidazol97

I know Spring is coming. I saw a metal, long travel trailer being towed back north on I75 yesterday. It's like the migration of the birds. In the fall a flow of trailers large enough to live in, like the one I saw yesterday, all the way to campers on pickups loaded to the gills with "stuff" start moving south on I75. Plates from Live Michigan to Canada.

Then a few months later a flow back north starts but it's not as well defined. The south flow occurs in clumps around the 6 month time frame and after Christmas holiday, as people flee to the warm climate.

Counter to this flow is a flow of campers and boats heading back north after the summer in Kentucky and Tennessee. People who planted temporary boats and homes there in the summer, are moving them back north.

Driver100's explanation of the times for the Snow Birds and the timing for those from Canada have helped me understand the flow. I sometimes get to see the drivers and realize they are like me. I could be one of them if we wanted to leave things here for a few months...

suydam

Oh I have vivid memories of taking our dogs out in 5 degree weather. At 60+ I am very happy to be back on the SoCal Coast, where it’s neither hot nor humid. It’s in the upper 30s this morning but will be in the 50s by 10 AM. I loved our years in Ohio, but the winter weather really got to me.

stickguy

My wife would never move some place far away. West coast, totally out. Florida would even be too far, plus she would never do the summers.

berri

I've rented Equinox multiple times over the years. The current version is a tad slow, but not awful. It is comfortable, but overall I think I liked the previous gen better because it seemed to handle luggage in the back a little better and the driver's seat seemed better (maybe a bit longer seat cushion). However. I see more than a few complaints on the web about things such as oil consumption, so I don't know really.

graphicguy

This and That....

A golfing buddy bought an Equinox last Fall as a daily driver (he also has a 2 year old Mustang GT ‘vert and some sort of Lexus tiny small ute that his wife drives). Was tilting a beer with him last weekend. I asked how he liked the Equinox. He wants to trade it already. He did mention it was slow. He said the biggest issue he had with it was all the plastics and build quality.

I reminded him that his Mustang isn’t a pole sitter when it comes to the best of materials. He said the Lexus didn’t cost that much more and there is a world of difference in build and materials.

Can’t argue with him since I don’t know how those Lexus hatch hybrids drive. I do know the Mustang, though.

Anyway, he’s looking at the RDX and the Infiniti QX (50, I believe) as a replacement....all costing more than the Equinox did.

Mentioned my sister and I jointly owned a 4 BR condo in Hilton Head. Some years, we made good money on it. Other years, it was a PITA. We always stayed in it a couple of times/year each. It was in Sea Pines....nice area, walking out the deck and down some stairs and we were right on the water. Even renting it out ¾ of the year, it seemed every weekend we’d get a call from the management company stating there was this or that which needed to be tended to, and to please send a check.

I understand the allure of FL in the winter. I have friends who spend Spring through Fall here in OH, and then spend 3-4 months in their condo in FL. I just don’t understand having two sets of furniture, another car (which is only used 3-4 months out of the year), putting everything in storage when you leave either place.

Maybe it’s because winters are milder in the OH Valley. It doesn’t bother me. Still, at some point, I will retire and leave. I’ve got this itch to live in Puerto Rico. We’ll see how that works out.

....and lastly.....my sister bought a new ‘69 Corona, which just about put my Father (who was ALL IN on BUY AMERICAN at the time) into cardiac arrest. She kept it 12 years and put 180K miles on it. I bought it from her for $400 and kept it another 18 months and sold it with 200K miles for $250. Just routine maintenance, tires, belts, batteries, fuel....that was about it. Most reliable car she and I had ever known. At the time I sold it, the only thing wrong was some rust on the bottom of the rocker panel and the driver’s seat had a 2” tear in one of the seams (which I fixed with duct tape). Great car.

houdini2

Mr_Shiftright said:

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

People in FL get what they pay for, maybe like that part of the country in general. Low taxes, low amenities, other issues. I like in an area invaded by transplants, and I know nobody who moved to FL and didn't come running back.

stickguy said:

nice house. and cheap per Zillow. I can see why people move to FLorida if can get that house for that price, and negligible property taxes (and cheap state taxes). I just know that my wife would never live there year round.

Strange, I know nobody who moved to Florida that didn't stay.

I do! The BUGS and the humidity got to them and they bailed out of Florida!

Wait until the serious flooding starts to get worse. St Petersburg, Tampa, Miami, Miami Beach and Panama City are predicted to be seriously compromised. Zillow advises buyers that 1 in 8 homes in Florida will be underwater by 2100 and NOAA says that Miami streets will flood every year after 2070. Nothing for US to worry about unless you are a baby checking into the Forums.

All this has been predicted before, but was supposed to happen by 2020. OOPS !

suydam

graphicguy said:

This and That....

A golfing buddy bought an Equinox last Fall as a daily driver (he also has a 2 year old Mustang GT ‘vert and some sort of Lexus tiny small ute that his wife drives). Was tilting a beer with him last weekend. I asked how he liked the Equinox. He wants to trade it already. He did mention it was slow. He said the biggest issue he had with it was all the plastics and build quality.

I reminded him that his Mustang isn’t a pole sitter when it comes to the best of materials. He said the Lexus didn’t cost that much more and there is a world of difference in build and materials.

Can’t argue with him since I don’t know how those Lexus hatch hybrids drive. I do know the Mustang, though.

Anyway, he’s looking at the RDX and the Infiniti QX (50, I believe) as a replacement....all costing more than the Equinox did.

Mentioned my sister and I jointly owned a 4 BR condo in Hilton Head. Some years, we made good money on it. Other years, it was a PITA. We always stayed in it a couple of times/year each. It was in Sea Pines....nice area, walking out the deck and down some stairs and we were right on the water. Even renting it out ¾ of the year, it seemed every weekend we’d get a call from the management company stating there was this or that which needed to be tended to, and to please send a check.

I understand the allure of FL in the winter. I have friends who spend Spring through Fall here in OH, and then spend 3-4 months in their condo in FL. I just don’t understand having two sets of furniture, another car (which is only used 3-4 months out of the year), putting everything in storage when you leave either place.

Maybe it’s because winters are milder in the OH Valley. It doesn’t bother me. Still, at some point, I will retire and leave. I’ve got this itch to live in Puerto Rico. We’ll see how that works out.

....and lastly.....my sister bought a new ‘69 Corona, which just about put my Father (who was ALL IN on BUY AMERICAN at the time) into cardiac arrest. She kept it 12 years and put 180K miles on it. I bought it from her for $400 and kept it another 18 months and sold it with 200K miles for $250. Just routine maintenance, tires, belts, batteries, fuel....that was about it. Most reliable car she and I had ever known. At the time I sold it, the only thing wrong was some rust on the bottom of the rocker panel and the driver’s seat had a 2” tear in one of the seams (which I fixed with duct tape). Great car.

My mother’s Corona had a similar story. She drove it for years and years, and then it got handed down from one young driver to another for several years after that.

ab348

The running gear on those '60s/'70s Toyotas (and Datsuns) was bulletproof. That is what built their reputation. Their weak area was body and trim, especially rust protection. In salty climates they could rot really fast. That seemed to get worse with their early '70s models.

houdini2

suydam said:

I’m curious. What would be late 60’s “original” of a car like the Honda Accord or Toyota Corolla? I know when my mom bought a Corona in 1969, it was because she couldn’t find a compact American vehicle.

In about 1980 Detroit was continuing to build cars that were worn out after a couple of years and 50,000 miles. They loved planned adolescence. That is about when Honda, Toyota, and Nissan really took off. Detroit eventually had to change, and begin copying the Japanese, but not very successfully as they eventually went bankrupt. They now build trucks to survive. I'm still hoping for a comeback.

houdini2

houdini2 said:

suydam said:

I’m curious. What would be late 60’s “original” of a car like the Honda Accord or Toyota Corolla? I know when my mom bought a Corona in 1969, it was because she couldn’t find a compact American vehicle.

houdini2

houdini2 said:

houdini2 said:

suydam said:

I’m curious. What would be late 60’s “original” of a car like the Honda Accord or Toyota Corolla? I know when my mom bought a Corona in 1969, it was because she couldn’t find a compact American vehicle.

In about 1980 Detroit was continuing to build cars that were worn out after a couple of years and 50,000 miles. They loved planned adolescence. That is about when Honda, Toyota, and Nissan really took off. Detroit eventually had to change, and begin copying the Japanese, but not very successfully as they eventually went bankrupt. They now build trucks to survive. I'm still hoping for a comeback.

Michaell

My folks bought a 1973 Corona, new. That was the car I learned to drive in. I don't recall there being any problems with it, at all … until I totaled it in an accident on the way to school one morning.

houdini2

Clearing.

suydam

Have to disagree with that arc a little bit. Their model lineup now is generally pretty good and reliable. I have a Buick Encore and a Chevy Volt, and both are well made, reliable, and new design and tech for their time. Hard to shake decades of bad and mediocre vehicles, though.

Michaell

suydam said:

Have to disagree with that arc a little bit. Their model lineup now is generally pretty good and reliable. I have a Buick Encore and a Chevy Volt, and both are well made, reliable, and new design and tech for their time. Hard to shake decades of bad and mediocre vehicles, though.

I have a GM credit card, and at the beginning of the year they give me a "bonus" to use. About $2800 if I get something by the end of the month.

I'm not in the market, but even if I were, I struggle to determine what model I'd use it on.

houdini2

suydam said:

Have to disagree with that arc a little bit. Their model lineup now is generally pretty good and reliable. I have a Buick Encore and a Chevy Volt, and both are well made, reliable, and new design and tech for their time. Hard to shake decades of bad and mediocre vehicles, though.

Yes, something like your Volt may be in my future. I apologize for all those extra posts. Not sure what happened, but probably my fault.