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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,268

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Response from guy with dashcam:

    he accord flew up and I saw it coming and let off to get in behind it but it turned into me. They had a good 6 feet or so on the other side of them to get around me. You can see me get pushed over the line to my right at the moment of impact. An accord doesn't simply push something that weighs a ton more than it does that easily.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    Doesn't seem like much of a secret plan, does it?

    I should add, "Safest and most environmentally friendly". At one time Volvo was the leader in safety, but, they don't claim that title anymore as others caught up. Many companies try to find a niche market, Volvo is going after the safety and environmentally conscious - which goes hand in hand quite often, Subaru goes after the dog lovers, BMW the ones who want the ultimate driving machine, etc.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    ruking1 said:

    abacomike said:


    ruking1 said:

    A very close friend of mine lives on the east side of Florida’s Highway A1A. What this means is that the Atlantic Ocean is literally his backyard, for his parcel of course. The governments tends his back yard parcel, as it is in turtle hatching areas.

    The last big hurricane was declared almost 100% certain to wipe his house out & put it under 12 ft more of water. So the area in which his parcel was, was given a mandatory evacuation order, upon fear of certain death. Long story short after our family fearing for his life: the Atlantic Ocean RECEEDED out to sea! The governments were notable to replace the waters he & others lost. Nature did some time later.

    A1A floods from ocean water several times a year down here in South Florida mainly in the Miami Beach area - so bad that they have to close the road down.  I have not heard flooding reports for Ft. Lauderdale or Palm Beach.

    Back in the 1960’s, the beaches along A1A were 40-50 yards wide.  Those same beaches today are less than 20 yards wide in most places.  Sand is always being trucked in to preserve the beaches along the coast.  Beaches are what preserve Florida’s reputation as vacation destination.
    Oh I always thought that Floridas vacation destination reputation was based on a big rat mouse.
    This property is contiguous with Highway A1A.


    Beaches too....St Petes voted #1 in the world once again...plus others are in the top 10.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    Here was one more job to do this morning before I could start my regular job.

    Thanks explorer for reminding me why I am down here in the winter. (84F yesterday)

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    driver100 said:

    Here was one more job to do this morning before I could start my regular job.

    Thanks explorer for reminding me why I am down here in the winter. (84F yesterday)
    Don't rub it in. Zero going into work yesterday. :@

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,497
    driver100 said:


    Thanks explorer for reminding me why I am down here in the winter. (84F yesterday)

    We had a nasty weather day here yesterday. Woke up to what seemed to be light snow and some wind, but through the morning the snow became heavier and the wind picked up even more. By the time it was mid-afternoon the temps had gotten above freezing so I decided to clear the 6" or so that had come down with more in areas where the wind had pushed it. It was by then wet and heavy, very difficult to move. Took an hour or so to complete that and by the time I was done it was a heavy mist coming down so I was soaked.

    The snowplow had not come by for the street at that point so I adjourned until later and got changed. The street finally got plowed around 9:30PM so I went back out to clear the end of the driveway. By then it had stopped raining and turned colder again so all the areas I had gotten down to bare were glare ice. I slip-slided to the end of the drive where the plow had deposited a large 2' high pile of ice floes and tectonic plates from the street where the top 3" or so had turned to ice. Again, it was very heavy stuff. I took it slow, resting every so often, and picked away at it for about 45 minutes. My neighbor across the street came by to help me finish up and after about 45 minutes that was done.

    It was a pain but I was glad I did it. This morning I am watching other neighbors trying to clear the ends of their driveways and many are finding it impossible as the stuff has now stuck to itself and it is a big solid mass. Experience told me that would occur which is why I did it last night. What I do not get is one house in particular which is rented by a 20-something couple who have to be the laziest or most clueless ones around, based not just on this but many other things I have noticed. They never shovel, not even their front steps and walkway, so this morning I spotted hubby trying to get down his front steps by walking in the 6" deep footprints he made yesterday. He might not get the car out of his driveway for another month.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    driver100 said:

    Here was one more job to do this morning before I could start my regular job.

    Thanks explorer for reminding me why I am down here in the winter. (84F yesterday)
    Don't rub it in. Zero going into work yesterday. :@
    OK, cold air moved in, only a high of 64F today, but 70s for Thurs and Fri, 80 for Sat and Sunday.

    btw...regarding drive-in movies; As of March, there were only 348 drive-in movie theaters in the US, down from 443 theaters in 2000
    There are a few in Florida, one is about 10 minutes away from us....I used to go as a kid and teenager, no desire to be crunched up in a car to watch a movie for 2 to 4 hours these days.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,855
    my car is a heck of a lot more comfortable than most movie theater seats.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    edited March 2019
    Oh yeh, the new theaters near us have seats like this;


    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    edited March 2019
    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    I just now watched. We can't tell from the video if cammer was signaling since we can't see the dash. But I can't see the Accord in the video until the crash happens, so it would seem to me the cammer (Jeep??) was in front and the Accord suddenly accelerated into him, judging by the speed at which he passes. Yes, the Jeep was in the lane that was ending, and he needs to move over with caution, but it looks to me like the Accord driver aggressively drove into him as he tried to do so.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,268
    I think judging by the speed that the Accord may have been trying to speed up and “slip in” ahead of the Expedition.  They must have misjudged the space.  

    At any rate the cop found the Accord at fault.  I just think there is a little blame on the Expedition driver for maybe not braking sooner or maybe trying to move over a touch.  

    Seeing things like this really make me want a dash cam 

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    driver100 said:
    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.
    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment: tjc78 Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw
    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    This is an example of how a rear facing dash cam. That way we could have seen the position of the Honda. My guess is either the Honda was behind the truck and tried at the last minute or next to and slightly behind in which case he should have slowed down.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    edited March 2019
    driver100 said:

    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.

    I think you are way too generous to the Honda guy. This looks like last minute acceleration, in attempt to get in front of the dashcam guy. The dashcam guy is half way into merging, when the Honda guy basically rams his side from the behind position. All that guy needed was to slow down at point of impact, the dashcam guy could reasonably assume the Honda guy was letting him in. My unprofessional opinion is at least 90% Honda guy, perhaps to the 10 % dashcam guy for not turning the signals (you can't hear the blinker sound), probably even less.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    driver100 said:
    Here was one more job to do this morning before I could start my regular job.
    Thanks explorer for reminding me why I am down here in the winter. (84F yesterday)
    Don't rub it in. Zero going into work yesterday. :@
    OK, cold air moved in, only a high of 64F today, but 70s for Thurs and Fri, 80 for Sat and Sunday. btw...regarding drive-in movies; As of March, there were only 348 drive-in movie theaters in the US, down from 443 theaters in 2000 There are a few in Florida, one is about 10 minutes away from us....I used to go as a kid and teenager, no desire to be crunched up in a car to watch a movie for 2 to 4 hours these days.
    I rather like it. Great atmosphere, people picnicking and playing around, a double feature for $10 and you can bring in your own food and snacks. 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    edited March 2019
    we have no idea if that cam, in that vehicle, at that time with that other background noise can pick up the flasher sound, though.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,672
    I might be the first person who has wore one out B) Especially in the racing to the bottom driving environment on this continent.
    ab348 said:



    That would be called a turn signal switch, Fin.

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    I called my service advisor about the 2 recalls.  He looked up the recalls by my VIN and it showed “clear - no recalls”!  So I guess I am OK.  But just to be on the safe side, I will wait awhile before using the adaptive cruise and steering and then recheck in a few weeks.

    I know my car was built early in the model year - recall is for 2018-2019 S450/S560.  So I might just have gotten lucky.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    Better safe than sorry with the automated driving vehicle... to wit, the many Tesla accidents including 1 Friday
    in nowhere else by Florida, Del Ray.

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/feds-investigating-deadly-friday-tesla-crash-in-florida/


    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,532
    abacomike said:

    I called my service advisor about the 2 recalls.  He looked up the recalls by my VIN and it showed “clear - no recalls”!  So I guess I am OK.  But just to be on the safe side, I will wait awhile before using the adaptive cruise and steering and then recheck in a few weeks.

    I know my car was built early in the model year - recall is for 2018-2019 S450/S560.  So I might just have gotten lucky.

    If the info you received from your friend is correct and not just some internet flack, given that your car was an early build, I'd say your advisor is wrong.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,497
    jmonroe1 said:


    If the info you received from your friend is correct and not just some internet flack, given that your car was an early build, I'd say your advisor is wrong.

    Advice about an internet flack from a different internet flack. Hmm. :D

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2019
    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'm going to tentatively vote that dashcam guy is at fault no matter what any cop says. Since he (the Jeep??) had the merge arrows in his lane, he has to yield no matter what. He should have had his blinker on and his foot on the brake just prior to contact. The Honda has a perfect right to command the lane, unless of course he struck the Jeep from behind.

    I would have to see the damage to deduce more about the dynamics of the accident, but at best, it's a 50-50 split here.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438
    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    I watch a number of dash cam crash videos and most of the accidents could have been avoided if people drove defensively. You can’t anticipate a car flying over the median into your windshield but you can avoid crashing into the back of a truck by slowing down and not tailgating.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    jmonroe1 said:
    I called my service advisor about the 2 recalls.  He looked up the recalls by my VIN and it showed “clear - no recalls”!  So I guess I am OK.  But just to be on the safe side, I will wait awhile before using the adaptive cruise and steering and then recheck in a few weeks.

    I know my car was built early in the model year - recall is for 2018-2019 S450/S560.  So I might just have gotten lucky.
    If the info you received from your friend is correct and not just some internet flack, given that your car was an early build, I'd say your advisor is wrong. jmonroe
    I called MBUSA customer assistance and was assured there there are no active recalls on my car - he checked it using my VIN.  But I am still going to wait a few weeks and then check it again.  Thanks for your input, jmonroe!  ;)

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438
    qbrozen said:

    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    I just now watched. We can't tell from the video if cammer was signaling since we can't see the dash. But I can't see the Accord in the video until the crash happens, so it would seem to me the cammer (Jeep??) was in front and the Accord suddenly accelerated into him, judging by the speed at which he passes. Yes, the Jeep was in the lane that was ending, and he needs to move over with caution, but it looks to me like the Accord driver aggressively drove into him as he tried to do so.
    No doubt the Honda driver was an idiot and caused the accident but that doesn’t mean he was legally in the wrong. I’d love to hear the cop’s rationale as I’m sure he determined something that wasn’t apparent in the video.

    I see behavior like that all the time on the highway where some dope deliberately paces a car trying to merge off the ramp until the merger runs out of road.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    abacomike said:

    I called my service advisor about the 2 recalls.  He looked up the recalls by my VIN and it showed “clear - no recalls”!  So I guess I am OK.  But just to be on the safe side, I will wait awhile before using the adaptive cruise and steering and then recheck in a few weeks.

    I know my car was built early in the model year - recall is for 2018-2019 S450/S560.  So I might just have gotten lucky.

    You can check if your car has a recall on it. Enter your VIN number.
    https://vinrcl.safercar.gov/vin/
    Sometimes cars are built after the fault was found...only earlier models need to be recalled.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438
    fintail said:

    I might be the first person who has wore one out B) Especially in the racing to the bottom driving environment on this continent.

    ab348 said:



    That would be called a turn signal switch, Fin.


    Now you know why so few use them....fear of wearing them out. :'(

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2019

    qbrozen said:

    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    I just now watched. We can't tell from the video if cammer was signaling since we can't see the dash. But I can't see the Accord in the video until the crash happens, so it would seem to me the cammer (Jeep??) was in front and the Accord suddenly accelerated into him, judging by the speed at which he passes. Yes, the Jeep was in the lane that was ending, and he needs to move over with caution, but it looks to me like the Accord driver aggressively drove into him as he tried to do so.
    No doubt the Honda driver was an idiot and caused the accident but that doesn’t mean he was legally in the wrong. I’d love to hear the cop’s rationale as I’m sure he determined something that wasn’t apparent in the video.

    I see behavior like that all the time on the highway where some dope deliberately paces a car trying to merge off the ramp until the merger runs out of road.
    I think the bottom line for judging this accident would be "who had the last opportunity to avoid the accident". It sure looks like the Jeep ?? sped up to get ahead of the Accord, and the Accord didn't back off.

    So, yeah, I think the Jeep ?? might be at fault. He should have yielded. He sped up because there was no room for him to move over just before the accident.

    But what we don't know is if the Honda also sped up, and then it's a collision of egos and a 50-50 situation.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438

    Better safe than sorry with the automated driving vehicle... to wit, the many Tesla accidents including 1 Friday
    in nowhere else by Florida, Del Ray.

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/feds-investigating-deadly-friday-tesla-crash-in-florida/


    Every dash cam crash video shows non Teslas t-boning cars cutting out from a side street without looking. Interesting that the Tesla can be guilty of not driving defensively too.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'm going to tentatively vote that dashcam guy is at fault no matter what any cop says. Since he (the Jeep??) had the merge arrows in his lane, he has to yield no matter what. He should have had his blinker on and his foot on the brake just prior to contact. The Honda has a perfect right to command the lane, unless of course he struck the Jeep from behind.

    I would have to see the damage to deduce more about the dynamics of the accident, but at best, it's a 50-50 split here.

    Agree.......except for this line "The Honda has a perfect right to command the lane", Honda Guy has an obligation to help the merging traffic get on the highway. Too many think like Honda guy...I am in this lane so it is my lane!
    Another thing is I doubt the Jeep Guy had his signal on. He wasn't going to budge either...he thought he was driving along in his big SUV and he doesn't have to allow for other cars.
    I doubt if the cop looked at the video. The cop wanted a simple solution, the Honda hit the Jeep, so he found him at fault.
    Both of them could have avoided the accident.....Jeep Guy had a bigger responsibility to look back and make sure there was no traffic beside him.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    driver100 said:
    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.
    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment: tjc78 Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw
    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm going to tentatively vote that dashcam guy is at fault no matter what any cop says. Since he (the Jeep??) had the merge arrows in his lane, he has to yield no matter what. He should have had his blinker on and his foot on the brake just prior to contact. The Honda has a perfect right to command the lane, unless of course he struck the Jeep from behind. I would have to see the damage to deduce more about the dynamics of the accident, but at best, it's a 50-50 split here.
    Agree.......except for this line "The Honda has a perfect right to command the lane", Honda Guy has an obligation to help the merging traffic get on the highway. Too many think like Honda guy...I am in this lane so it is my lane! Another thing is I doubt the Jeep Guy had his signal on. He wasn't going to budge either...he thought he was driving along in his big SUV and he doesn't have to allow for other cars. I doubt if the cop looked at the video. The cop wanted a simple solution, the Honda hit the Jeep, so he found him at fault. Both of them could have avoided the accident.....Jeep Guy had a bigger responsibility to look back and make sure there was no traffic beside him.
    Until we know the position of the Honda in the moments prior to the accident this is all academic. That being said the Honda did seem to be going a good bit faster than the truck at impact. That would seem to suggest that the truck was clear to merge when he started and the Honda tried to pass it before he fully was on the lane.

    But as I said it's all academic.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    Honda should have seen Jeeps predicament and known he could merge....defensive driving101.
    No reason for Honda to be speeding up at that point.....unless he was trying to cut off the Jeep.
    Jeep Guy should have seen Honda though....and his lane was ending which he didn't seem to notice.
    50/50

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    Pep peeve in Ohio. Various ramps with dual (duel) lanes have different patterns of whether the left lane merges or the right lane merges.  I believe ramps at adjacent interchanges have different patterns.  Confusing.


    Add in the airhead driver on phone and testosterone driver trying to prove his car is fast and it's worse. 

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,532

    qbrozen said:

    driver100 said:

    Looks to me like the car with the dashcam had the right of way.

    How do you figure? It looked as if his lane ended and he would be required to yield as he merged into the other lane. The guy in the Honda wasn’t a very good driver if he saw the guy making a forced merge and still tried to bull his way past him. Still, I think he had the right of way. Am I missing something?
    Original post for those who want to watch it and comment:
    tjc78
    Guy in another Forum posted this. He is generally a pretty good poster, but I’m having trouble believing something fishy wasn’t going on here. The Accord Driver was cited, so there that but it seems to me the other driver was trying not to let them in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35clisIBRqw


    In my professional opinion....they are 50/50 at fault. The dashcam guy was supposed to merge into the left lane....there are arrows on the pavement telling him to do that. The guy in the Honda should have seen his predicament and he should have given him space to merge in. Neither one budged......the dashcam guy continued in his lane which was ending, the Honda guy wasn't going to let him in. I would say the dashcam guy is a little more at fault if I was forced to choose one.....he made no effort to signal or work his way into the other lane or to see whether someone was going to let him in.
    I just now watched. We can't tell from the video if cammer was signaling since we can't see the dash. But I can't see the Accord in the video until the crash happens, so it would seem to me the cammer (Jeep??) was in front and the Accord suddenly accelerated into him, judging by the speed at which he passes. Yes, the Jeep was in the lane that was ending, and he needs to move over with caution, but it looks to me like the Accord driver aggressively drove into him as he tried to do so.
    No doubt the Honda driver was an idiot and caused the accident but that doesn’t mean he was legally in the wrong. I’d love to hear the cop’s rationale as I’m sure he determined something that wasn’t apparent in the video.

    I see behavior like that all the time on the highway where some dope deliberately paces a car trying to merge off the ramp until the merger runs out of road.
    When my Father taught me to drive he taught me to drive defensively and I can still hear him saying, "you can be right, DEAD right. Right of way means nothing if you get into an accident". That has taught me not to try to teach bad drivers a lesson because that is not my job when I'm driving. That is not to say I just smile when I see idiots on the road because I have called them worse than idiots believe me. Mrs. j is tired of hearing me say, "when that a-hole got his car they were selling cars that day not drivers licenses". Although not as much today as when I was raising my Sons.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,532
    driver100 said:

    Oh yeh, the new theaters near us have seats like this;


    Ah man...just seeing those comfy seats in a theater makes my jaw sore. I have a habit of falling asleep in movies when I don't like what is playing and since I snore, my ribs hurt from taking wake-up elbows from Mrs. j . You see, if I was in a seat like that during a bad movie, my jaw would be taking those shots not my ribs. :'(:'(

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  • houdini2houdini2 Member Posts: 411
    On the Honda and Jeep/Explorer, it is hard to tell if they had been driving sort of side by side or if the Honda came up quickly from behind. If side by side for a while I think the Jeep should have slowed. If Honda came up quickly and passed, I'd say his fault.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191


    I see behavior like that all the time on the highway where some dope deliberately paces a car trying to merge off the ramp until the merger runs out of road.

    Depending on the traffic, this may or may not be the right thing to do. In a fast traffic it's obviously stupid, but in a slow traffic/jam, it's called "zipper" merging, when merge lane drivers are supposed to pull all the way forward and then interlace with each other. Very common in Europe, in some countries actually mandatory, but I some Americans seem to be completely mystified by it, even angry (their reaction can be why didn't you try to merge before?), so I adjust my behavior, too.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,973
    I'm siding with dashcam driver because their vehicle was obviously ahead of the black car and there was only one lane at that point. Black car driver deserved to get cited just because they are a bad driver.
    If they had just stayed to the left there was plenty of room to pass the dashcam vehicle.
    Veering right, right into the dashcam vehicle makes no sense.
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  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    jmonroe1 said:


    When my Father taught me to drive he taught me to drive defensively and I can still hear him saying, "you can be right, DEAD right. Right of way means nothing if you get into an accident". That has taught me not to try to teach bad drivers a lesson because that is not my job when I'm driving. jmonroe

    Agreed, I don't try teaching lessons, either at least not by blocking. BTW, I when I moved to the US, I remember reading in Flordia Driver Book that in Florida NOBODY has a "right of way". It essentially means that even if other driver has a "yield" sign, you do not have "right of way", which means you can't ram somebody, just because they didn't yield.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019
    By CA traffic laws, the Honda has the right of way on the Jeep’s right lane merging/disappearing. But on secondary considerations, fault (academically ) is 30-50% the Jeep’s. Normally it would be the Jeep’s fault.
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    dino001 said:
    When my Father taught me to drive he taught me to drive defensively and I can still hear him saying, "you can be right, DEAD right. Right of way means nothing if you get into an accident". That has taught me not to try to teach bad drivers a lesson because that is not my job when I'm driving. jmonroe
    Agreed, I don't try teaching lessons, either at least not by blocking. BTW, I when I moved to the US, I remember reading in Flordia Driver Book that in Florida NOBODY has a "right of way". It essentially means that even if other driver has a "yield" sign, you do not have "right of way", which means you can't ram somebody, just because they didn't yield.
    According to “Florida’s Rules Of The Road” guidebook for those taking their written driver’s test, pedestrians who are in a crosswalk always have the right of way - i.e., you must yield.  

    When two two cars are at a 4-way stop sign at an intersection after arriving simultaneously,  the driver on the right has the right of way.  If two cars are at a 4-way stop at an intersection, the car that arrived first has the right of way.

    But I think I know what you are trying to communicate, Dino.  There are many variables and factors that determine “fault” in the event of an accident.  Right of way is just one - others include weather conditions, traffic flow, speed limits, etc.  It is assumed that if you rear-end another car, you are at fault.  If you are backing out of a driveway and you are hit by a car, you are at faults because the cross traffic has the right of way.

    There are always contributing factors when determining fault - speeding is one as are inclement weather, inoperative headlights, faulty brakes, poor judgement, to name just a few.  But “right of way” is always considered in determining causes of accidents.  ;)

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438
    ruking1 said:

    By CA traffic laws, the Honda has the right of way on the Jeep’s right lane merging/disappearing. But on secondary considerations, fault (academically ) is 30-50% the Jeep’s. Normally it would be the Jeep’s fault.

    NY law says the same but what’s the point if you get wrecked or killed? Maybe Florida has to say no one has right of way because of all the insurance fraud.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    edited March 2019
    Earlier posts had mentioned the narrowing of the sandy beach in Florida. That triggered what I'd learned spending many vacations in Charleston/Folly Beach. So I checked on my favorite online sites for facts and found this

    https://www.postandcourier.com/news/beach-renourishment-protects-homes-tourism-but-the-pace-and-costs/article_c8ab2bd4-789c-11e8-bd5a-d7f1a7b4b649.html

    The sand normally migrates along the coast moving southward with the wind and currents. That migration has been disrupted by man made devices, jetties were mentioned in the article. I recall that dams and changes to river flow also affected the sand in the Folly Beach area.

    So the narrowing of beaches is not necessarily any sign of rising water levels but rather of disappearing sand.
    Florida is even wanting to import sand from Jamaica. But that currently is illegal.

    I recalled the rows of wooden posts driven into the seafloor that jutted out into the waters on Folly Beach perhaps every 1000 feet. They were to catch the sand and hold it on the north side rather than letting the wind and currents move it southward toward Florida.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    In Florida, some 2.4 million people and 1.3 million homes, nearly half the risk nationwide, sit within 4 feet of the local high tide line. So, yeah, Florida is in the crosshairs.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Haven't been to Folly Beach since my military days many years ago. Bet it has changed tremendously from the quiet, a bit isolated place it used to be.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    edited March 2019

    ruking1 said:

    By CA traffic laws, the Honda has the right of way on the Jeep’s right lane merging/disappearing. But on secondary considerations, fault (academically ) is 30-50% the Jeep’s. Normally it would be the Jeep’s fault.

    NY law says the same but what’s the point if you get wrecked or killed? Maybe Florida has to say no one has right of way because of all the insurance fraud.
    Since few people in Florida actually have valid insurance you have to consider that too. I can't believe how many people on the judge shows drive without insurance, or try to buy insurance after they have an accident. They never consider....what if I injure someone and their medical bills could be $200k.

    Maybe we have to consider that too....usually people without insurance are irresponsible and they are usually at fault...maybe the Honda guy doesn't have insurance. The Jeep guy seemed very responsible....driving slowly, didn't ram into anyone.....but, then again, he was merging and should have been watching.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    In Florida, some 2.4 million people and 1.3 million homes, nearly half the risk nationwide, sit within 4 feet of the local high tide line. So, yeah, Florida is in the crosshairs.

    We are about 25 feet above sea level.....but the ponds that are about 75 yards from our house sure can fill up. I haven't seen an alligator there in 8 years, but neighbors said they saw 3 that were about 5 feet long. Back home you might find your truck covered in snow, but, you don't have to worry about alligators.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019

    ruking1 said:

    By CA traffic laws, the Honda has the right of way on the Jeep’s right lane merging/disappearing. But on secondary considerations, fault (academically ) is 30-50% the Jeep’s. Normally it would be the Jeep’s fault.

    NY law says the same but what’s the point if you get wrecked or killed? Maybe Florida has to say no one has right of way because of all the insurance fraud.
    Actually there are a lot of points. But the video does not/seems not to even approach the fear level in the question. In CA ( I suspect FL also) fully 25% of drivers are either not or under insured.

    Having said that, if one plans to drive in AZ, NM, TX, LA, FL, etc. familiarization with each/the states laws are prudent.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    driver100 said:

    ruking1 said:

    By CA traffic laws, the Honda has the right of way on the Jeep’s right lane merging/disappearing. But on secondary considerations, fault (academically ) is 30-50% the Jeep’s. Normally it would be the Jeep’s fault.

    NY law says the same but what’s the point if you get wrecked or killed? Maybe Florida has to say no one has right of way because of all the insurance fraud.
    Since few people in Florida actually have valid insurance you have to consider that too. I can't believe how many people on the judge shows drive without insurance, or try to buy insurance after they have an accident. They never consider....what if I injure someone and their medical bills could be $200k.

    Maybe we have to consider that too....usually people without insurance are irresponsible and they are usually at fault...maybe the Honda guy doesn't have insurance. The Jeep guy seemed very responsible....driving slowly, didn't ram into anyone.....but, then again, he was merging and should have been watching.
    Okay, I learned something new today. All states (well 49 out of 50) require liability insurance, and I had assumed that most drivers would have it. And actually, “most” do, if you consider most to mean more than 50%. But a much higher percentage than I would have expected are driving around without it.

    And guess what? Florida is the worst, at 26.7%. Texas, where I live, comes in at 14.1% which shocked me. The state pushes that pretty hard. You can’t get license plates without proof of liability. Every traffic stop, you have to show that proof. As I said, they push it pretty hard. The fact that 1 in 7 cars on the roads I drive every day don’t have it is shocking.

    https://www.carinsurance.com/Articles/uninsured-motorist-coverage-state-averages-of-uninsured-drivers.aspx

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited March 2019
    driver100 said:
    By CA traffic laws, the Honda has the right of way on the Jeep’s right lane merging/disappearing. But on secondary considerations, fault (academically ) is 30-50% the Jeep’s. Normally it would be the Jeep’s fault.
    NY law says the same but what’s the point if you get wrecked or killed? Maybe Florida has to say no one has right of way because of all the insurance fraud.
    Since few people in Florida actually have valid insurance you have to consider that too. I can't believe how many people on the judge shows drive without insurance, or try to buy insurance after they have an accident. They never consider....what if I injure someone and their medical bills could be $200k. Maybe we have to consider that too....usually people without insurance are irresponsible and they are usually at fault...maybe the Honda guy doesn't have insurance. The Jeep guy seemed very responsible....driving slowly, didn't ram into anyone.....but, then again, he was merging and should have been watching.
    Your comment “...few people in Florida have valid insurance...” is not only an outrageous statement but it’s totally false!  In order to obtain a valid State vehicle registration certificate each year, you must enter the insurance policy number and 5-digit State Code number on the application form.  

    What you are stating is that “most” Florida drivers are uninsured by assuming “few” have valid insurance.  Perhaps you should consider amending your comment.

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