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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438
    ruking1 said:

    ??? NYC made it practically impossible to let natural gas lines in to satisfy the natural gas energy demand! So it’s taken to using Russian natural gas ships to meet demand. Now that beyond fool hearty on many different levels.


    Not when you consider who is funding many of the protests against pipelines.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Now, wait just a minute...that was the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland! Give credit where credit is due here... :p
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643

    ruking1 said:

    berri said:

    I wonder if bachelor degrees could be reduced to 3 years by eliminating some (not all) of the gen ed type stuff?

    The short answers are yes! It should be VERY easy, once the extremely difficult BS is/are washed away. The process should really start @ understanding that colleges and universities were not designed to lead to jobs. In a bygone era, they were designed to park kids of the wealthy & job givers for four years. The educational arm that actually DOES LEAD to jobs have mainly been all shut down.

    I personally was on target to get BA/ &/BS in 2.5 years. (47 years ago) my daughters got BA/& BS in 4 years. (11/8 years ago)

    The real issue that $1.5 T to $2 T (essentially wasted & deadbeat) student debt exposes are the utter uselessness of the majority of USA College/University/community college, etc. degrees, even as they are STILL & probably remain to be considered some the best in the world.
    What gets me is the apparent disconnect between degrees and real world jobs. Certainly the social sciences don’t connect to actual careers. Many young clueless students ( me included) are shocked when they can’t turn their expensive degrees into an income.

    If a car salesman sold you a car and later you found out it had no engine he’d be charged with fraud. Don’t know why colleges get a pass.
    They will answer by saying a degree is not a guaranty to a job. It is made available so you can be a better person, know how to think and appreciate better....it isn't a Get A Free Job Card.

    The time has come when we don't need fancy colleges with big campus's. Most classes could be watched on a computer screen...only the top professors in each subject need be hired. Some classes could be held in a workshop when needed. The big problem would be having football and basketball games.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    i am concerned about climate change somewhat, and I do what I can within reason. But, in a crunch, man usually comes through with an answer. In Israel they grow food in the desert, in Tampa they turn ocean water into drinkable water, they have technology to make electric cars and that will only improve, we are making electricity from the sun and that will improve.

    Climate change!......the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Read an article the other day, I think maybe the Tribune, that glacier melting is going to slowly cause Canada and northern Wisconsin to rise in elevation, while Milwaukee and Chicago will sink more. Evidently, the melting glaciers lift weight from the earth's crust and innards that causes the glacier areas ground to gain height. As the molten core moves and grows in those melted glacier areas, the stuff has to come from somewhere and in the WI/IL area that means further south since many centuries ago that land in places like Chicago are residing on used to be glaciers and had previously expanded upward when those glaciers went away. Kind of like Play dough I guess.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,438

    China is currently rolling out the world's largest investment in solar and wind power. It is certainly in China's best interest to grab ahold of the pollulion problem, because it is killing their own population in record numbers. I think air pollution is one of the very few issues in China where there is actual public dialogue.

    I always wondered why if the government wanted to mandate some energy saving improvements they don’t require solar panel on roofs of all those big box stores and warehouses. So much empty real estate going wasted. Maybe give grants to strengthen the roofs to take the weight.

    My only condition would be that the business include in all receipts and invoices how much the costs of such installation affected the price of a customer’s purchase. Give the consumer the opportunity to decide if they want to spend 50 cents more for their Big Mac or bag of Walmart hair curlers in order to live green. It's easy to get people to support clean energy when they think there’s no additional cost.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,673
    edited March 2019
    This is nothing new. 20+ years ago when I was a student, it was the same sales pitch: degree = job. The world 20 years before me was less competitive and insanely expensive than when I was a student, and the world now is that much more competitive and insanely expensive than 20 years ago.

    The sports mention is a bigger deal than many want to admit, as so many schools serve as de facto developmental programs for pro sports leagues, with the often tenuous "student athlete" tales being spun to support it.

    They will answer by saying a degree is not a guaranty to a job. It is made available so you can be a better person, know how to think and appreciate better....it isn't a Get A Free Job Card.

    The time has come when we don't need fancy colleges with big campus's. Most classes could be watched on a computer screen...only the top professors in each subject need be hired. Some classes could be held in a workshop when needed. The big problem would be having football and basketball games.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think we need a brand new terminology -- "Climate Whiplash" will be our new reality.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,673
    The major is what matters.

    Job givers LOL, maybe that's a form of guillotine avoidance.
    ruking1 said:


    The short answers are yes! It should be VERY easy, once the extremely difficult BS is/are washed away. The process should really start @ understanding that colleges and universities were not designed to lead to jobs. In a bygone era, they were designed to park kids of the wealthy & job givers for four years. The educational arm that actually DOES LEAD to jobs have mainly been all shut down.

    I personally was on target to get BA/ &/BS in 2.5 years. (47 years ago) my daughters got BA/& BS in 4 years. (11/8 years ago)

    The real issue that $1.5 T to $2 T (essentially wasted & deadbeat) student debt exposes are the utter uselessness of the majority of USA College/University/community college, etc. degrees, even as they are STILL & probably remain to be considered some the best in the world.

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    The major, and to some degree where the degree was obtained
  • It's easy to get people to support clean energy when they think there’s no additional cost.

    Good point. The other challenge is getting people to look at total cost of ownership. Some green choices cost more upfront, but less or even much less in the long run, but some people can’t get past the initial cost. Home insulation upgrades, LED light bulbs, and home solar come to mind.

    Like any new tech there’s the adoption curve to consider, too, and regardless of the benefits not everyone will jump onboard right away.

    When it comes to clean tech, I think the key is making sure the early adopters are motivated enough to take action in order to pave way for the early majority.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,498
    edited March 2019
    Include total cost of production in that too. Those lithium ion batteries don't come without considerable environmental cost.

    Part of the problem is that there is not a lot of scale in many of these technolgies yet. Solar panels on roofs of every big box store sounds logical but who will make them all? The government here backed a Daewoo wind turbine manufacturing plant and it went bust, leaving the govt holding the bag of course, because they couldn't sell the things. I guess the ones made in China were a lot cheaper.

    How about a $2/gallon federal gas tax in the US? Great for the environment but what would that do to the economy? Up here the feds are trying to do something similar and using the proceeds in part for enviro projects along with income redistribution. Somehow I don't think that will be an economically efficient process.

    None of this stuff is easy.

    ETA: All that said, I can see my next vehicle in a few years time being electric. It would suit my usage pattern well and as we have seen they can actually outperform many gasoline vehicles, so no issue there. It really is just a question of cost.

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  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    Good discussion guys. The important point here is sustainability. If we continue with rapid deforestation, pollute the environment, and burn fossil fuel we'll be all dead in short time. China's industrialization basically follows the American model of the 20th. century but it is more rapid and expansive.

    And where we are losing focus is what is happening in Africa and to a lesser extent in South America. China is resource hungry and in exchange for oil, gas, wood and other minerals it is helping Africa industrialize at a pace that strains the continent's ecosystem.

    Wind, sun and sea water are limitless sources of energy. Life on earth, however, requires a balance between economic development and the sustainability of natural resources. Global warming or global change is our problem and as such it is all our responsibility to remedy our present and past misdeeds.
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,533
    driver100 said:

    tjc78 said:

    @jmonroe

    As for the electrical mishap... Happens to the best of us. Good insulated pliers are a must during a job like that.

    Or do as I do............and call the guy.

    And what happens when you call "the guy" and he screws up something else in the process of "fixing" what he was called out to fix? Like a few years ago when Sears couldn't send one of their own repair men so they sent an independent "authorized" repair guy to fix our dishwasher that was under warranty and the bozo cranked the shutoff valve under the sink so tight that he broke the stem on the valve which caused a large leak when he then removed the water line at the dishwasher to pull it out. If it wasn't for Mrs. j who knew where the house shut off valve was (because we practiced that scenario several times, just for such an event) who knows how much water damage there could have been because that bozo didn't look for where it was prior to starting his repair job. And then months later I found that he broke the drain line connection at the garbage disposal unit which I had to jury-rig a fix for so that we did have damage do to that. Just because you call "the guy" doesn't mean that he knows what he is doing.

    Yes, even though it was months later and it would be hard to prove who screwed up the repair because the dishwasher had to be repaired twice within a month for the same problem, the second time by Sears, I figured it had to be the first guy, so I called Sears to let them know not to EVER send out the bozo repair place again. They said they would make a note of it but who knows if I had to call Sears again that they might send out one of their own bozo's. Again, do you really know if "the guy" you call knows what he is doing? In any case, you the consumer, will pay the price if he doesn't. I just cringe anytime I have to have something done under warranty. I'm at the point in my life where I'd rather break something twice trying to repair it than call someone once.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,498
    This factoid about China's cement usage is rather staggering.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/24/how-china-used-more-cement-in-3-years-than-the-u-s-did-in-the-entire-20th-century/?utm_term=.5251addd638b

    Also note that perhaps 3% of global carbon emissions comes from China's cement production facilities alone.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,858

    You have to admit--whoever is perpetrating the climate change hoax--they have some excellent production values on TV. :p

    Using the guys that did the moon landing I assume.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019

    It's hard to live "pure" these days unless you're hangin' out with the Amish. It's like if a cop followed you around all day behind your car, he'd be able to write you 10 tickets, sooner or later.

    The only thing I regret about dying someday is that I don't get to see how it all turns out! Will there be bullet trains? Life on Mars? A reliable Alfa Romeo?

    It’s funny how “pure” comes before/after the Horse - - - -😜 NYC & to a lesser extent SF. will write multiple overtime parking tickets to the same car. Then, I’m sure there’s a limit, have it towed away😩

    It will turn out just fine? I’m sure most of the world thought World War II the apocalypse! WW2 racked up a total of approximately 82 M dead. It killed mostly “white people” with a much lesser % of “people of color” . (If that is still pc?)

    Bullet trains? It’s already a reality! I posted that in one of the responses. The bullet trains are just not 150 paces from your house. You’ll have to probably fly or sail ( by so called fossil fuel’s, which is false) to Europe or Asia to get comparison rides. A reliable Alfa Romeo? Ah, ...no! They have always been made to BE UNreliable! Get over the reliable issue.😉😎 If you want reliable buy Lexus/Toyota. If they sell Alfa Romeo TO Toyota & IF they make it reliable, Alfa Romeo would then be sold to some entity like Fiat Chrysler/ George Soros corporation, so it can go back to being ...UNreliable!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    People run the spectrum in level of commitment to solving any problem, from denial to mere gesture to modest effort to sainthood.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    edited March 2019
    The test for the politicians backing climate change fixin' is to see when they stop flying around in jets and driving low mileage gas hogs.

    If they really want to use less fossil fuels, nuclear energy is the way to go--it works for France.
    France has 58 nuclear reactors operated by EDF, with a total capacity of 63.1 GWe. France's present electricity generation mix is a result of the French government deciding in 1974, just after the first oil shock, to expand rapidly the country's nuclear power capacity, using Westinghouse technology.
    http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx

    The climate change "scientists" who came out of the woodwork were anyone from your local hairdressed to the meteorologist fresh out of radio/TV school to the expolitical hacks. True scientists were looking at the data collection, the misrepresentation of data by selective culling and timely cutoffs to make it work for the one side's goal. Many media groups and social groups banned or restricted the ability of the folks looking at the data and the methodology because they want the public to see and hear only the one side.

    As for my background, most of the variation is due to the sun and its eleven-year cycle. The choice of how to measure the true "heat content" of the earth causes lots of disagreement because it can be varied to support one opinion.

    The way to learn about a full subject like climate change is to hear both opinions. Some including social media won't air both sides for a real debate.

    Meet the Press Won't Have Science Deniers
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/chuck-todd-climate-deniers-banned-meet-press/

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826

    People run the spectrum in level of commitment to solving any problem, from denial to mere gesture to modest effort to sainthood.

    Indeed that is so true! So the current way of things operating “the ways of the world” shows that all this will not even be close to a reality for another 50 to 80 years.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    The person featured as an "expert" on 60 minutes seems to actually be an activist:
    "A CBS News report Sunday discussing a climate change lawsuit neglected to disclose important facts about the case, namely the role one of its sources plays in the litigation.
    UCLA law professor Ann Carlson appeared in a “60 Minutes” report as an expert observing the validity of a climate lawsuit holding the U.S. government responsible for the oil industry’s alleged contributions to global warming. CBS’ Steve Kroft failed to mention in his report the issue Carlson’s history of working on climate litigation holding oil companies responsible for climate change.

    "Kroft instead painted her as a neutral observer with knowledge about the ins and outs related to how such a case might effect the U.S. Constitution."

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/04/climate-change-lawsuits-oil/

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    fintail said:

    The major is what matters.

    Job givers LOL, maybe that's a form of guillotine avoidance.

    ruking1 said:


    The short answers are yes! It should be VERY easy, once the extremely difficult BS is/are washed away. The process should really start @ understanding that colleges and universities were not designed to lead to jobs. In a bygone era, they were designed to park kids of the wealthy & job givers for four years. The educational arm that actually DOES LEAD to jobs have mainly been all shut down.

    I personally was on target to get BA/ &/BS in 2.5 years. (47 years ago) my daughters got BA/& BS in 4 years. (11/8 years ago)

    The real issue that $1.5 T to $2 T (essentially wasted & deadbeat) student debt exposes are the utter uselessness of the majority of USA College/University/community college, etc. degrees, even as they are STILL & probably remain to be considered some the best in the world.

    You are actually pretty close to the truth. Just remember that the “TV” guillotine isn’t the current weapons of facist choice.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    fintail said:

    The major is what matters.

    The universities and colleges could cut lots of their overpaid professors who in some cases teach few class hours and really bring down the cost of a degree by eliminating lots of the old tenured areas. STEM is what's needed in today's world.

    Many of the old departments are spending their time trying to politically indoctrinate students. That is an observation from The OSU over 4.5 years of exposure to them with our son who graduated a couple back. Save the money spent and put it into more research and technological departments.

    In many cases students in Ohio are better off taking classes from vocation ed schools that coordinate with 2-year colleges or a few 4-year colleges to give a head start on a trade/technical degree. Bypass the basketweaving and other stuff.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If someone is not a scientist in this area of expertise, they can believe whatever they want, but it's meaningless without having peer-reviewed data, to take a position either supporting or denying anthropogenic climate change. It's just white noise in the media. Unlike politics, in science if you can't prove it, you don't got it.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019

    If someone is not a scientist in this area of expertise, they can believe whatever they want, but it's meaningless without having peer-reviewed data, to take a position either supporting or denying anthropogenic climate change. It's just white noise in the media. Unlike politics, in science if you can't prove it, you don't got it.

    That is not even close to the design OF the scientific method ! Anybody can Google to find out how the scientific method really works. To cut to the chase, scientific method works to CONTINUOUSLY disapprove what has already been “proven” & in some cases, hypothesized to be true.

    So when you hear propaganda like: 97% of the scientists AGREE that climate change IS the reality, the reality is many of those have been cowed into that mantra, to as fantail would say, avoid the guillotines. Me?... burning @ the stakes (with the proper off setting carbon bonfire credits.) 🤑😜
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,498

    The person featured as an "expert" on 60 minutes seems to actually be an activist:
    "A CBS News report Sunday discussing a climate change lawsuit neglected to disclose important facts about the case, namely the role one of its sources plays in the litigation.
    UCLA law professor Ann Carlson appeared in a “60 Minutes” report as an expert observing the validity of a climate lawsuit holding the U.S. government responsible for the oil industry’s alleged contributions to global warming. CBS’ Steve Kroft failed to mention in his report the issue Carlson’s history of working on climate litigation holding oil companies responsible for climate change.

    "Kroft instead painted her as a neutral observer with knowledge about the ins and outs related to how such a case might effect the U.S. Constitution."

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/04/climate-change-lawsuits-oil/

    I'm shocked, I tells ya, SHOCKED!!! :o

    I am not so much disagreeing with the man-made climate change argument, but I do tend to take "science" and "experts" with several large grains of salt when those are cited as the reason we should take some course of action. My reasoning is having to deal with numerous Public Health "experts" and "scientists" in my former work. Seldom have I seen such patently transparent twisting of numbers to suit an agenda. They checked their unbiased credentials at the door and put on an activist suit. Public Health seems to have adopted an "ends justifies the means" philosophy and with that their credibility has taken a huge drop among those who look past the headlines and at the underlying numbers. Not saying that is happening on CC but it would not shock me at all.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,673
    I don't know how many credible scientists use Daily Caller or Washington Times links when compiling data B)

    Next up, I'll ask my 8 year old niece why the fintail's turn signals are being quirky.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,673
    Even if those were cut, as was said, I seriously doubt tuition would see a major change. It would just increase profit margins, maybe help fund a new arena or something else so necessary for academics.

    I'd be interested to see a list, with credible sources, of the claimed indoctrination. Some programs may have views that upset the easily offended, but chances are, the students who choose those programs already had similar sympathies, and are not taken aback by it. Nothing in the world is politically neutral, including the STEM that many like to preach.

    I agree a 2 year degree moving on to 4 or more, or a good trade can be a much better route these days. And at least here on the informal best coast, the name of the school granting one's degree is of minor importance, you won't be penalized for going to a state school. I know people are much more into it as you hit the other coast.



    The universities and colleges could cut lots of their overpaid professors who in some cases teach few class hours and really bring down the cost of a degree by eliminating lots of the old tenured areas. STEM is what's needed in today's world.

    Many of the old departments are spending their time trying to politically indoctrinate students. That is an observation from The OSU over 4.5 years of exposure to them with our son who graduated a couple back. Save the money spent and put it into more research and technological departments.

    In many cases students in Ohio are better off taking classes from vocation ed schools that coordinate with 2-year colleges or a few 4-year colleges to give a head start on a trade/technical degree. Bypass the basketweaving and other stuff.

  • houdini2houdini2 Member Posts: 411
    edited March 2019

    If someone is not a scientist in this area of expertise, they can believe whatever they want, but it's meaningless without having peer-reviewed data, to take a position either supporting or denying anthropogenic climate change. It's just white noise in the media. Unlike politics, in science if you can't prove it, you don't got it.

    But science is always testing, questioning, and revising results. Even science that is almost universally accepted is not "settled". That is a big black mark and red flag against those supporting human caused climate change.

    Many of the climate debate experts remind me of those various experts who are hired by lawyers to help prosecute or defend their clients. Each side being experts in their field, but willing to have very diverse opinions as long as they get paid enough. Plus they're willing to testify for either side.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019
    ab348 said:

    The person featured as an "expert" on 60 minutes seems to actually be an activist:
    "A CBS News report Sunday discussing a climate change lawsuit neglected to disclose important facts about the case, namely the role one of its sources plays in the litigation.
    UCLA law professor Ann Carlson appeared in a “60 Minutes” report as an expert observing the validity of a climate lawsuit holding the U.S. government responsible for the oil industry’s alleged contributions to global warming. CBS’ Steve Kroft failed to mention in his report the issue Carlson’s history of working on climate litigation holding oil companies responsible for climate change.

    "Kroft instead painted her as a neutral observer with knowledge about the ins and outs related to how such a case might effect the U.S. Constitution."

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/04/climate-change-lawsuits-oil/

    I'm shocked, I tells ya, SHOCKED!!! :o

    I am not so much disagreeing with the man-made climate change argument, but I do tend to take "science" and "experts" with several large grains of salt when those are cited as the reason we should take some course of action. My reasoning is having to deal with numerous Public Health "experts" and "scientists" in my former work. Seldom have I seen such patently transparent twisting of numbers to suit an agenda. They checked their unbiased credentials at the door and put on an activist suit. Public Health seems to have adopted an "ends justifies the means" philosophy and with that their credibility has taken a huge drop among those who look past the headlines and at the underlying numbers. Not saying that is happening on CC but it would not shock me at all.
    Pretty simple stuff. Consultant jobs @ good to great salaries/billable hours. Say the truth (choose the wrong agenda), & after that one can’t even get a “sustainable salt pounding” job.🤛 (old Roman salt mines joke)
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,268
    edited March 2019
    I've actually never been to drive in. I believe that Camden NJ was the first ever drive in, in the US. That's only 5-6 miles from my house.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    ruking1 said:

    If someone is not a scientist in this area of expertise, they can believe whatever they want, but it's meaningless without having peer-reviewed data, to take a position either supporting or denying anthropogenic climate change. It's just white noise in the media. Unlike politics, in science if you can't prove it, you don't got it.

    That is not even close to design OF the scientific method ! Anybody can Google to find out how the scientific method really works. To cut to the chase, scientific method works to disapprove what has already been proven to be true.

    So when you hear propaganda like: 97% of the scientists agree that climate change IS the reality, the reality is many of those have been cowed into that mantra, to as fantail would say, avoid the guillotines.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    That argument has veered into conspiracy theories, which is not a scientific argument to contest the data. That's a political argument, once again.

    But I agree, if anyone can explain the unprecedented, a-historical rapidity of climate change in 2019, and destruction of reefs, the melting of glaciers, the increased severity of weather, the overall warming of the earth year by year---well, man, have at it. Let's see your data and let's all shake it and see how it holds up.

    Conspiracy theories are a very weak rebuttal.



  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019
    NOBODY has ever been convicted of environmental conspiracy theory’s, whether they be true or false or applicable or...NOT ! YOU are talking conspiracy theories! I was NOT talking about conspiracy theories.

    Local TV channel meteorologists are wrong a good % of the time! Nobody has ever done an expose’ of “collusion”, how wrong they & each are & the percentages and the underlying misinterpreting of data, if you will. Keep in mind the data is/has been a while massaged through sophisticated and expensive high speed computers. The connection here is very easy to see.

    Another example, how many meteorologists had predicted 406 in of snow at this time of the season ? https://www.skiheavenly.com/the-mountain/mountain-conditions/snow-and-weather-report.aspx

    Indeed one of our top politico’s former Governor Jerry Brown predicted DEEP global warming drought. So if that wasn’t bad enough, he declared that no new reservoirs would be built. This of course sent & will continue to send trillions and I mean trillions of gallons of water, not used to the sea.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,498
    I think part of the issue with CC here in Canada is that the governing party federally has embraced it as one of their core beliefs and are constantly bloviating about it. Given the dislike for politicians generally, and the growing disdain for this government in particular, that may be doing more harm than good in making a credible argument.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,974
    My youngest was complaining that her credit score dropped because she paid off her student loan(4 1/2 years) and doesn't have any other debt.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,858
    we went to the drive in quite often when I was in HS. much easier to sneak in a cooler of beer.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,974
    Here was one more job to do this morning before I could start my regular job.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,498
    That looked like my driveway a couple of hours ago, but I had a bit more snow. It was of the wet-cement variety.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019
    ab348 said:

    I think part of the issue with CC here in Canada is that the governing party federally has embraced it as one of their core beliefs and are constantly bloviating about it. Given the dislike for politicians generally, and the growing disdain for this government in particular, that may be doing more harm than good in making a credible argument.

    Most every country, region, state, county, local rural, local city, etc., treats GC like part of the governing religion. It is used to frighten, form, dictate implement policy/ies: to control the masses. Global warming concept has been hijacked to be made narcissistic beyond belief!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019

    Here was one more job to do this morning before I could start my regular job.


    GOOD snow CUT job! How big was the snow plow?

    I get my driveway done and they will stop 1 foot from garage doors, which leaves us 1 foot of snow sometimes up to 3 feet high to shovel. But the rest of it they do quite nicely.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,858
    I hate winter.

    just had an interesting piece on the local news. Apparently Volvo will be implementing governers on all their cars next year, capping them at 112. Kinda defeats the purpose of the Polestar tune models! Pretty sure that will be plenty for me, though might hurt sales in Germany.

    nothing to do with economy. It is for safety. Though if you are already over 110, what the heck, might as well keep going!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Not too many places you can comfortably go 112 mph---parts of Nevada wouldn't be a problem, or I-15 in Utah-- although it might be good to cruise the road at 55 mph to check for rocks or debris before you make that run!

    Maybe Volvo wants to save money on tires? 112 mph does sound suspiciously like a convenient number.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,974
    @ruking1,
    I cleaned it myself with my little Honda HS720. :)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Volvo has almost been going down like a rock, since it was bought by the Chinese. (Geely)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    What gives you that impression? 2018 was a good year for them, compared to the 5 years prior to that.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2019
    I wish them no ill will, but even if I was predisposed to buying Volvo, I would not, for @ least 2024 MY. It’s a got lucky to booby trapped land mine models & model years.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    fintail said:


    Next up, I'll ask my 8-year old niece why the fintail's turn signals are being quirky.

    Have you checked the blinker fluid and the pump for it? Those are pretty reliable cars: built like tanks. Shouldn't have turn signal problems.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,731
    edited March 2019
    ab348 said:

    I think part of the issue with CC here in Canada is that the governing party federally has embraced it as one of their core beliefs and are constantly bloviating about it. Given the dislike for politicians generally, and the growing disdain for this government in particular, that may be doing more harm than good in making a credible argument.

    The problem is when government gets involved setting parameters.

    If there's a problem, the market will find a better way and a solution. More electric vehicles, although they use fossil fuels from the electric platns.


    It's my opinion, opinion folks, that the GM settlement a few years back with the government inplementing a plan the government wanted which kept the party-friendly unions in charge of GM with stock and in control of the labors costs at the plants is the reason that GM has closed some plants in the US. The political involvement actually kept a realistic cost solution from being a part of GM's renewal. Add the soft market for sedans... And voila: plants close. Jobs gone.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,643
    jmonroe1 said:

    driver100 said:

    tjc78 said:

    @jmonroe

    As for the electrical mishap... Happens to the best of us. Good insulated pliers are a must during a job like that.

    Or do as I do............and call the guy.

    And what happens when you call "the guy" and he screws up something else in the process of "fixing" what he was called out to fix? .
    jmonroe
    That may all be true...but, if you had called the guy instead of doing the DIY oil change.....you may still have your Hyundai.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

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