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ab348

Today I had the ATS back at the dealer to get them to finish the service they failed miserably at last week (which they finally got done) and so I had the XT4 loaner again, great vehicle I must say. I stopped to top up the tank at a station a block away from the dealer before returning it. Just as I got out of the XT4, these two vehicles appeared on the street and pulled in, one behind me and one at the next island. Two young Asian guys driving them, likely from China attending medical school here. The family money must be staggering.





When I took the second picture the little dog started barking at me. I began to wonder if it wasn't @driver100 's pooch trying to tell me it had been kidnapped.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

Today I had the ATS back at the dealer to get them to finish the service they failed miserably at last week (which they finally got done) and so I had the XT4 loaner again, great vehicle I must say. I stopped to top up the tank at a station a block away from the dealer before returning it. Just as I got out of the XT4, these two vehicles appeared on the street and pulled in, one behind me and one at the next island. Two young Asian guys driving them, likely from China attending medical school here. The family money must be staggering.





When I took the second picture the little dog started barking at me. I began to wonder if it wasn't @driver100 's pooch trying to tell me it had been kidnapped.

Nah, Trixie has been taught not to bark at Edmunds members; especially not at a fellow countryman.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

My second time purchasing a car on my own, I went to the Chev dealer and test drove a Camaro. The salesman offered the list price of the car minus the lowest wholesale price for my Mustang trade. I left the showroom still laughing.

I was insulted that he thought I was that dumb.

I find that tossing some sales jargon like “trunk money” and “grinder” around keeps them off balance as they think you’re knowledgeable even if you aren’t.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

And the Audi drivers took over the rude, inconsiderate spot--at least some of them did.

Mercedes drivers have generally been more courteous. I did have an S500 driver cut over between me and a car in front in a rather short spot on the interstate. I think from what Mike has said the car probably had nannies that told him he had room OR it was being self driven at the time and the car decided there was room..

Audi drivers rude! Hope our Audi poster doesn't see that

I saw that automatic lane change device in action, my salesman demonstrated it on the highway. I was surprised at the space it went into. You tell the car you want to change lanes and go left, if the car can fit in a parking space it moves over....I would never do that myself.

I am amazed at what some people consider to be an acceptable lane change. As a general rule - I think the car already in the new lane should not have to use his brakes, if I am changing lanes. There are exceptions, like a ramp coming up, or a string of cars in the left lane who won't let you in.

I agree with the lane change rule, generally I change lanes at such a distance that the car I am moving in front of isn't automatically tailgating me. Sometimes doing that I get someone cutting in around me often almost hitting me and/or the car we are passing. All to get where they are going 5 seconds sooner.

At 16 in driver’s ed I learned that you don’t cut in on a car you’re passing until you can see him in the rear view mirror. 50+ years later I still use that as a guide.

stickguy

common sense!

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

You can certainly control the process via email/phone

I also deal like you OTD pricing or in case of a lease all in numbers with set OOP at signing

When I did the deal on the trailer they started talking about setup fees, etc. I said let’s simplify this .. I’ll pay X all in delivered and setup.

Went quickly after that.

I did an OTD offer on my last new car. Made things simple and prevented any tricks.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

sda said:

When I thought I had finalized the purchase of the Q5 I discovered it only had one key. Knowing getting another key could be expensive I made getting a second key part of the deal. They declined and I walked. As I was driving home, about 15 minutes later I get a call they will replace the key. The key would have cost $500 had I been forced to get it retail.

You should have made them sweat for 48 hours after they wasted 15 minutes of your time (at least).

Easier said then done though, as you want the Q5!

The problem with letting them sweat is that as soon as he walked they were under no obligation to hold the car for him. In 48 hours it could be sold.

How many times did Isell talk about people who walked out on killer deals only to have the car sold when they came back. If you walk away you have to be prepared for the deal to fall apart.

When I bought the Mustang I walked and was fully prepared to live without it. I would have not called back if the salesman didn’t call me.

oldfarmer50

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

stickguy

driver must have gotten out before the truck fell on him. lucky guy.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

common sense!

I agree but it aint so common with a majority of drivers. If it was our insurance rates wouldn't be so high.

I use the rear view mirror method too when moving back into the right lane because that is how my father taught me. He also taught me to consider the left lane as a lane I was just borrowing for a very short period of time. After all these years I can still hear him saying that.

jmonroe

abacomike

fintail said:

From what I hear, new cats are a lot easier to sell than old ones.

I got ghosted twice emailing about cars on my last deal, so I did most of it in person.

abacomike said:

Dealing online for a new car takes the fun out of buying a new car - I enjoy the process because I control the process. But if you don't enjoy the process, you can buy online. Remember I was a new cat salesman and manager.

MEOW?! 🤪😜

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

I doubt that I could get away with something like that. The guy was probably afraid to go home without the groceries his wife sent him to get.

When it ain't your time...it ain't your time.

jmonroe

abacomike

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:

The only thing better would be if Driver got involved.

No, not even I am going to attempt that one!

Thank goodness for that! 🤪😜

sda

andres3 said:

sda said:

When I thought I had finalized the purchase of the Q5 I discovered it only had one key. Knowing getting another key could be expensive I made getting a second key part of the deal. They declined and I walked. As I was driving home, about 15 minutes later I get a call they will replace the key. The key would have cost $500 had I been forced to get it retail.

You should have made them sweat for 48 hours after they wasted 15 minutes of your time (at least).

Easier said then done though, as you want the Q5!

True, but I had a very disappointed wife when I told her no deal. She really surprised herself and liked it. Happy to say she is smitten with it and was sharing that with me yesterday.

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

I doubt that I could get away with something like that. The guy was probably afraid to go home without the groceries his wife sent him to get.

When it ain't your time...it ain't your time.

jmonroe

Am I the only one that figured the driver that walked away with minor injuries was the truck driver, and not the flattened pancake driver?

abacomike

Tonight at 9:30 PM on NBC, a new series airs called "Sunnyside". It's about an ex-NYC councilman who lives in Sunnyside, Queens, NYC. I was born and raised in Sunnyside Queens and lived there until my 22nd birthday. Kal Penn is the star of the series. Small world, isn't it?

oldfarmer50

Hey, don’t the various Edmunds divisions talk with each other? I just got an email from Edmunds stating that I hadn’t used the forums in six months and did I “ever buy that car”?

I can only assume they meant the Kia which I researched and bought in March. If they wanted to know all they had to do is look here. I even post pictures of it.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

I doubt that I could get away with something like that. The guy was probably afraid to go home without the groceries his wife sent him to get.

When it ain't your time...it ain't your time.

jmonroe

Am I the only one that figured the driver that walked away with minor injuries was the truck driver, and not the flattened pancake driver?

Nope, the driver of the car. I don’t understand it either.

driver100

ab348 said:

Today I had the ATS back at the dealer to get them to finish the service they failed miserably at last week (which they finally got done) and so I had the XT4 loaner again, great vehicle I must say. I stopped to top up the tank at a station a block away from the dealer before returning it. Just as I got out of the XT4, these two vehicles appeared on the street and pulled in, one behind me and one at the next island. Two young Asian guys driving them, likely from China attending medical school here. The family money must be staggering.


When I took the second picture the little dog started barking at me. I began to wonder if it wasn't @driver100 's pooch trying to tell me it had been kidnapped.

That does look like our last dog Gigi who we unfortunately had to have put down in December. Jmonroe said she didn't bark at Edmunds members....she didn't bark at anything, ever, not even when a robber tried to break into the house and the alarms went off....slept through the whole thing.

Trixie on the other hand, who becomes one year old on October 15th, would bark for sure;

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

fintail said:

You mean the passing lane?

I pass on the right more than I'd like, but that comes with the territory around here.

imidazol97 said:

Fifteen years ago the BMW drivers were obnoxious in their driving attitudes in this area. That was a driver's car and was quick. A lot of newbies were buying them and impressing themselves with their purchase. They tailgated, they cut in, they zoomed.

But the purchasers changed over the years and they are more typical drivers for this area.

And the Audi drivers took over the rude, inconsiderate spot--at least some of them did.

Mercedes drivers have generally been more courteous. I did have an S500 driver cut over between me and a car in front in a rather short spot on the interstate. I think from what Mike has said the car probably had nannies that told him he had room OR it was being self driven at the time and the car decided there was room. But typically MB drivers don't tailgate if you're going slower than they want in the traffic. They will take the opportunity to pass or change lanes and get around to go on their way instead of trying to force the driver ahead to change lanes (be aware I'm always going 5 over the limit if traffic allows and I'm in a high speed lane.).

That is the problem in a nutshell isn't it? Those that define the passing lane as some arbitrary and subjective "fast/high" speed lane, rather than what it is, which is a passing lane, a lane where you are supposed to be passing people. DUH! DOH!

While "fast/slow/high" speeds are subjective and arbitrary, slower and faster is not. It is relative and absolute. That's why the signage generally says either "Keep Right EXCEPT to Pass!" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right."

You don't get to redefine "slower." If someone else is faster, you are slower. If someone else is slower, you are faster. I love it.

If someone else is faster than it does not mean that I am slower. The law defines "slower" as under the normal flow of traffic. If the normal flow of traffic is 70 and I am doing 75 and you are doing 80 I may be slower than you but I am not defined by the law so "slower" as in "slower traffic keep right".

100% INCORRECT as usual.

You have to assume, in your scenario that the flow of traffic is 70 MPH. What if there are only 2 cars involved? The slowest, and the faster. The law becomes crystal clear then. The law doesn't want people doing complex calculations that you wish to put into the law, to be performed by a driver going down the road.

Do you honestly expect a driver to do this kind of complex math to figure out the normal flow ? A+B+C+D+E+F+G+H+I+J = 10(X) X being the "normal" flow of traffic? It's much simpler, easier, and sensible to just go by the honest interpretation of what the signage says, in plain English, rather than interject silly definitions. Estimations of speed would be inaccurate by the average person, but anyone that isn't blind knows what faster/slower is at a glance in a split second.

Actually I am correct in this manner as there is rarely just two cars on multi lane roads. But it's pretty simple, if more cars pass you than you're passing you are slower traffic. The law defines slower traffic as that which is going slower than the normal flow of traffic. Simple isn't it.

Again just because someone is going slower than you doesnt mean they are the slower traffic that needs to stay right.

Now if you live in a state that has a keep right except to pass (you don't BTW) then it's a different story.

In your ridiculous scenario, in CA, you might have to count 50 cars, and determine if your in the bottom 26 or top 24. Absurd, LOL.

The average USA driver can't even be relied upon to count their fingers.

my last post on this. How you feel about it has no bearing on this. The law says what it says, the courts agree with me (or more accurately I am repeating what the courts have proclaimed). If you dont like it run for office and change the law.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

Is that a Genesis?

ARe there any other pictures that might give somebody a hint about the car's identify?

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

And the Audi drivers took over the rude, inconsiderate spot--at least some of them did.

Mercedes drivers have generally been more courteous. I did have an S500 driver cut over between me and a car in front in a rather short spot on the interstate. I think from what Mike has said the car probably had nannies that told him he had room OR it was being self driven at the time and the car decided there was room..

Audi drivers rude! Hope our Audi poster doesn't see that

I saw that automatic lane change device in action, my salesman demonstrated it on the highway. I was surprised at the space it went into. You tell the car you want to change lanes and go left, if the car can fit in a parking space it moves over....I would never do that myself.

I am amazed at what some people consider to be an acceptable lane change. As a general rule - I think the car already in the new lane should not have to use his brakes, if I am changing lanes. There are exceptions, like a ramp coming up, or a string of cars in the left lane who won't let you in.

I agree with the lane change rule, generally I change lanes at such a distance that the car I am moving in front of isn't automatically tailgating me. Sometimes doing that I get someone cutting in around me often almost hitting me and/or the car we are passing. All to get where they are going 5 seconds sooner.

At 16 in driver’s ed I learned that you don’t cut in on a car you’re passing until you can see him in the rear view mirror. 50+ years later I still use that as a guide.

That reminds me of my first time driving down an interstate highway here in rural Illinois. I passed someone and kept a watch on my rearview mirror for him (her?) but they never appeared in it. Finally I looked over my shoulder to see if they sped up to keep up with me. Nope, nowhere to be seen like they just fell off the earth. In reality we were approaching an exit when I passed him and he likely too it and I didn't see it. but man it was weird at the time.

houdini2

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

My second time purchasing a car on my own, I went to the Chev dealer and test drove a Camaro. The salesman offered the list price of the car minus the lowest wholesale price for my Mustang trade. I left the showroom still laughing.

I was insulted that he thought I was that dumb.

I find that tossing some sales jargon like “trunk money” and “grinder” around keeps them off balance as they think you’re knowledgeable even if you aren’t.

I usually just rush in and yell, "Who wants to sell me a car TODAY" !!

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

fintail said:

You mean the passing lane?

I pass on the right more than I'd like, but that comes with the territory around here.

imidazol97 said:

Fifteen years ago the BMW drivers were obnoxious in their driving attitudes in this area. That was a driver's car and was quick. A lot of newbies were buying them and impressing themselves with their purchase. They tailgated, they cut in, they zoomed.

But the purchasers changed over the years and they are more typical drivers for this area.

And the Audi drivers took over the rude, inconsiderate spot--at least some of them did.

Mercedes drivers have generally been more courteous. I did have an S500 driver cut over between me and a car in front in a rather short spot on the interstate. I think from what Mike has said the car probably had nannies that told him he had room OR it was being self driven at the time and the car decided there was room. But typically MB drivers don't tailgate if you're going slower than they want in the traffic. They will take the opportunity to pass or change lanes and get around to go on their way instead of trying to force the driver ahead to change lanes (be aware I'm always going 5 over the limit if traffic allows and I'm in a high speed lane.).

That is the problem in a nutshell isn't it? Those that define the passing lane as some arbitrary and subjective "fast/high" speed lane, rather than what it is, which is a passing lane, a lane where you are supposed to be passing people. DUH! DOH!

While "fast/slow/high" speeds are subjective and arbitrary, slower and faster is not. It is relative and absolute. That's why the signage generally says either "Keep Right EXCEPT to Pass!" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right."

You don't get to redefine "slower." If someone else is faster, you are slower. If someone else is slower, you are faster. I love it.

If someone else is faster than it does not mean that I am slower. The law defines "slower" as under the normal flow of traffic. If the normal flow of traffic is 70 and I am doing 75 and you are doing 80 I may be slower than you but I am not defined by the law so "slower" as in "slower traffic keep right".

100% INCORRECT as usual.

You have to assume, in your scenario that the flow of traffic is 70 MPH. What if there are only 2 cars involved? The slowest, and the faster. The law becomes crystal clear then. The law doesn't want people doing complex calculations that you wish to put into the law, to be performed by a driver going down the road.

Do you honestly expect a driver to do this kind of complex math to figure out the normal flow ? A+B+C+D+E+F+G+H+I+J = 10(X) X being the "normal" flow of traffic? It's much simpler, easier, and sensible to just go by the honest interpretation of what the signage says, in plain English, rather than interject silly definitions. Estimations of speed would be inaccurate by the average person, but anyone that isn't blind knows what faster/slower is at a glance in a split second.

Actually I am correct in this manner as there is rarely just two cars on multi lane roads. But it's pretty simple, if more cars pass you than you're passing you are slower traffic. The law defines slower traffic as that which is going slower than the normal flow of traffic. Simple isn't it.

Again just because someone is going slower than you doesnt mean they are the slower traffic that needs to stay right.

Now if you live in a state that has a keep right except to pass (you don't BTW) then it's a different story.

In your ridiculous scenario, in CA, you might have to count 50 cars, and determine if your in the bottom 26 or top 24. Absurd, LOL.

The average USA driver can't even be relied upon to count their fingers.

my last post on this. How you feel about it has no bearing on this. The law says what it says, the courts agree with me (or more accurately I am repeating what the courts have proclaimed). If you dont like it run for office and change the law.

You found published case law on this? I'd sure like to see that!!!!

I won't hold my breath though :

driver100

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

Is that a Genesis?

ARe there any other pictures that might give somebody a hint about the car's identify?

Why a Genesis? Maybe it is a GM product.
It must be a well made car if the driver walked away, with only a cut finger.
Actually, it looks like after market wheels to me....hard to tell what it was.

stickguy

Consumer's reports came today (yeah, I still get it). their car article this month is about cars with 'fatal flaws" and comparing them to better solutions.

for large luxury sedans, the Lexus LS got the "fine but flawed" title, and the Genny G90 got "better bet". And a much higher road test score.

tjc78

What’s flawed about the LS (except the front end) At one time it was their highest rated sedan.

stickguy

usability. The "Achilles heel" was unnecesarily complex controls. with the finicky touchpad.

road test score was pretty low too.72 for the Lexus, and 89 for the Genny.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

Is that a Genesis?

ARe there any other pictures that might give somebody a hint about the car's identify?

Well what do you know, it was a 350Z.

stickguy

damned lucky to beat the odds and survive that.

ab348

Speaking of Genesis, today in traffic I saw an Equus. Remember those? Supposedly a super high-end Genesis. Bet the people who bought them must regret it now. Just another example of how Hyundai has bungled the rollout of their upmarket aspirations.

stickguy

there is one that lives just outside my neighborhood. I think the old guy that owns it traded a first gen sedan (what became the G80) for it.

oldfarmer50

Was delivering cars here yesterday. Can’t make up my mind. If a big bag of money falls from the sky, which should I buy?

https://www.depaulaford.com/inventory/new-2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-rwd-2d-coupe-1fa6p8jz2k5551382

https://www.depaulaford.com/inventory/new-2019-ford-mustang-roush-rwd-2d-coupe-1fa6p8cf8k5172759

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

Was delivering cars here yesterday. Can’t make up my mind. If a big bag of money falls from the sky, which should I buy?

https://www.depaulaford.com/inventory/new-2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-rwd-2d-coupe-1fa6p8jz2k5551382

https://www.depaulaford.com/inventory/new-2019-ford-mustang-roush-rwd-2d-coupe-1fa6p8cf8k5172759

Just me, I like the looks of the Roush.

Anyway dream on, if a big bag of money falls from the sky you can bet your bottom dollar it's going to land smack dab on my head sending me to the promised land.

ab348

I would want a bigger bag of money to fall from the sky so I could get an Audi R8 V10.

tjc78

Let's just forget about the bag falling.... I'll take an ACH transfer directly to my checking.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

I would want a bigger bag of money to fall from the sky so I could get an Audi R8 V10.

Funny, I saw one of those at the local airport Monday. As I was drooling over it I noticed it had a NYS inspection sticker but no registration sticker. As we were pulling away some young guy got in as if he was preparing to drive it. I’d love to know the story behind that.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Speaking of Genesis, today in traffic I saw an Equus. Remember those? Supposedly a super high-end Genesis. Bet the people who bought them must regret it now. Just another example of how Hyundai has bungled the rollout of their upmarket aspirations.

Seems to be a pretty good used car bargain. Are they prone to any significant failures?

https://www.listingallcars.com/vdp/3198360930787000655/Used-2016-Hyundai-Equus-Signature-for-sale-in-Jersey-City-NJ-07305-by-Axis-Motorcars

stickguy

Original sticker over $62k. Good deal. Lot of car for price of a base trim Camry.

Wonder if being RWD hammers it?

Local jersey car though, always dealer serviced.

Not fan of colors, but like the car, as far as barges go.

fintail

I might rather have the Kia K900, which at least has 2012 era styling rather than the "suddenly its 2007!" Equus. I believe they are structurally related and have a similar feature set. Both depreciate like used milk.

ab348

I believe many Equus vehicles ended up in livery service, either in airport or car service use.

imidazol97

When I'd see an Equus in this area, after I figured out it wasn't a regular HyKia that it looked like, I decided the owner had been upsold on the idea that it was a premium vehicle and would impress other folk. The drivers almost always looked like they had no need for that vehicle. It just didn't fit them other than the Cadillac image.

imidazol97

Sometimes we comment how cars look somewhat alike (other than the mammoth grills on a certain company's cars).

Had the same problem in 1939 (no I wasn't there).
I enjoyed looking at the names.

stickguy

Not many of those left. Well under half

imidazol97

A there 7 left out of 21? The whole back row is left!

driver100

imidazol97 said:

A there 7 left out of 21? The whole back row is left!

Barely!

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

Is that a Genesis?

ARe there any other pictures that might give somebody a hint about the car's identify?

Well what do you know, it was a 350Z.

A bucket of bondo and some touch-up paint and she'll be as good as new. Wasn't @roadburner looking for one of these?

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

Is that a Genesis?

ARe there any other pictures that might give somebody a hint about the car's identify?

Well what do you know, it was a 350Z.

A bucket of bondo and some touch-up paint and she'll be as good as new. Wasn't @roadburner looking for one of these?

stickguy

Good thing it wasn’t a convertible

jmonroe1

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

This happened about a mile from me.



In case you can’t see, that’s a red car under 80,000 pounds of flour. Driver walked away with minor injuries.

News reports didn’t identify what kind of car but from the wheels I’d say some kind of sporty car.

Is that a Genesis?

ARe there any other pictures that might give somebody a hint about the car's identify?

Well what do you know, it was a 350Z.

A bucket of bondo and some touch-up paint and she'll be as good as new. Wasn't @roadburner looking for one of these?

If he was it wouldn't be one with that many scratches.

jmonroe