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roadburner

snakeweasel said:

I watched "The 24 Hour War" on Netflix the other day. It's a documentary on the Ford/Ferrari rivalry at Le Mans. It's a very well put together documentary and very informative. I would recommend it.

I recommend the book Ford, The Dust and the Glory: A Racing History, it covers the Ford/Ferrari rivalry in great detail.

roadburner

ab348 said:

For whatever reason, one of my Buicks (I think the Regal, since it was built in Germany and they didn't know what market it was headed to) came with a black plastic front plate holder in a plastic bag from the factory in the trunk. I still have it out in the garage somewhere.

Funny thing about that car - the rear plate pocket was designed for a Euro plate, long but not too tall. You could put a North American plate there, but if you tried to surround it with a license plate frame, it wouldn't fit properly.

My 1973 Bavaria had the fuel filler concealed by the license plate holder, which was hinged at the bottom. The top of the plate would hit the trunk lock button if you didn't trim about 1/4" off the top of the plate.

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

I watched "The 24 Hour War" on Netflix the other day. It's a documentary on the Ford/Ferrari rivalry at Le Mans. It's a very well put together documentary and very informative. I would recommend it.

I recommend the book Ford, The Dust and the Glory: A Racing History, it covers the Ford/Ferrari rivalry in great detail.

Thank you I will look for it.

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

ab348 said:

For whatever reason, one of my Buicks (I think the Regal, since it was built in Germany and they didn't know what market it was headed to) came with a black plastic front plate holder in a plastic bag from the factory in the trunk. I still have it out in the garage somewhere.

Funny thing about that car - the rear plate pocket was designed for a Euro plate, long but not too tall. You could put a North American plate there, but if you tried to surround it with a license plate frame, it wouldn't fit properly.

My 1973 Bavaria had the fuel filler concealed by the license plate holder, which was hinged at the bottom. The top of the plate would hit the trunk lock button if you didn't trim about 1/4" off the top of the plate.

My 1970 Dodge Coronet had that too. Great thing about that was that I could pull up on either side of the pump.

Now I have to remember which side the filler is since the BMW has its filler on the other side than than the Chrysler and the Hyundai.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

I watched "The 24 Hour War" on Netflix the other day. It's a documentary on the Ford/Ferrari rivalry at Le Mans. It's a very well put together documentary and very informative. I would recommend it.

I recommend the book Ford, The Dust and the Glory: A Racing History, it covers the Ford/Ferrari rivalry in great detail.

Thank you I will look for it.

It was expanded into two volumes several years after the original book was published. You want the original book or Volume One, which covers racing through 1967.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

My 1973 Bavaria had the fuel filler concealed by the license plate holder, which was hinged at the bottom. The top of the plate would hit the trunk lock button if you didn't trim about 1/4" off the top of the plate.

My 1970 Dodge Coronet had that too. Great thing about that was that I could pull up on either side of the pump.

Now I have to remember which side the filler is since the BMW has its filler on the other side than than the Chrysler and the Hyundai.

I'm in the same situation; BMWs have the filler on the passenger side, the Jeep and Mini on the driver's side.

fintail

IIRC all German cars have the filler on the passenger side, something they see as safe, I think. My old car also has the bottom-hinged plate hiding the filler, quite handy and just another thing that makes the car stand out at the gas station.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

Hard to find a decent looking front license plate holder. This was one of the better ones!


This one is ugly;

Are you talking about the plate holder or the car? :@

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

suydam said:

Very happy to have a backup camera yesterday during my quick trip to the mall. Parking lot was jammed, and people and families were walking right behind my car as I was backing out. Twice I was surprised by the sudden appearance of a young family member popping out from behind another car right after I thought the coast was clear. Definitely a must have for any vehicle I’m looking at.

I’m very surprised by the entitlement of pedestrians these days. They think nothing of walking right behind you when you’re halfway backed out. I never assume a moving car will stop for me and walk accordingly. Is it hubris, stupidity or cell phone distraction?

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

Hard to find a decent looking front license plate holder. This was one of the better ones!


This one is ugly;

Are you talking about the plate holder or the car? :@

jmonroe

One hint........not talking about the car

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

Very happy to have a backup camera yesterday during my quick trip to the mall. Parking lot was jammed, and people and families were walking right behind my car as I was backing out. Twice I was surprised by the sudden appearance of a young family member popping out from behind another car right after I thought the coast was clear. Definitely a must have for any vehicle I’m looking at.

I’m very surprised by the entitlement of pedestrians these days. They think nothing of walking right behind you when you’re halfway backed out. I never assume a moving car will stop for me and walk accordingly. Is it hubris, stupidity or cell phone distraction?

And try backing out when you are parked next to a big truck, van or SUV.....can't see anything coming from that side. Have to ease out and hope for the best.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

ab348 said:

For whatever reason, one of my Buicks (I think the Regal, since it was built in Germany and they didn't know what market it was headed to) came with a black plastic front plate holder in a plastic bag from the factory in the trunk. I still have it out in the garage somewhere.

Funny thing about that car - the rear plate pocket was designed for a Euro plate, long but not too tall. You could put a North American plate there, but if you tried to surround it with a license plate frame, it wouldn't fit properly.

My 1973 Bavaria had the fuel filler concealed by the license plate holder, which was hinged at the bottom. The top of the plate would hit the trunk lock button if you didn't trim about 1/4" off the top of the plate.

My 1970 Dodge Coronet had that too. Great thing about that was that I could pull up on either side of the pump.

Now I have to remember which side the filler is since the BMW has its filler on the other side than than the Chrysler and the Hyundai.

Funny, I had forgotten my 69’ Plymouth had the same arrangement. I’m lucky, now all my cars have the fuel door on the same side.

driver100

stickguy said:

the Driver story on the camera proves one of my theories. When you are car shopping, make a list of must haves, and don't under any circumstances talk yourself into skipping any, especially for "a deal".

That rule applies when buying a house too, or any major item. It costs a lot less to get it right the first time around.

driver100

fintail said:

IIRC all German cars have the filler on the passenger side, something they see as safe, I think. My old car also has the bottom-hinged plate hiding the filler, quite handy and just another thing that makes the car stand out at the gas station.

A BMW salesman once told us the filler is on the right so that in most countries, if you run out of gas you don't have to stand on the highway to refill from a can. But, then I read after it depends on how they route all the other stuff....like exhaust. Then I read car companies mix them up so things will go better when a gas station is busy, some have them on the right, some on the left. Which stories are true....who knows?

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

several times just to make sure she knew how to do it. So, if any credit is due, give it to me.

jmonroe

You must work in management.

I did for a while before I retired but I've been paranoid about stuff like this all my life.

FWIW, I've also trained her to shut off the water valves and bleed the pressure from the water hoses connected to the washing machine after every use too. That may be the extent of her technical knowledge of things in the house but I'll take it.

Now, if you're talking about the "credit" thing, I've never gotten more than I deserve, so again, I'll take it rather than it being wasted.

jmonroe

ab348

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

Very happy to have a backup camera yesterday during my quick trip to the mall. Parking lot was jammed, and people and families were walking right behind my car as I was backing out. Twice I was surprised by the sudden appearance of a young family member popping out from behind another car right after I thought the coast was clear. Definitely a must have for any vehicle I’m looking at.

I’m very surprised by the entitlement of pedestrians these days. They think nothing of walking right behind you when you’re halfway backed out. I never assume a moving car will stop for me and walk accordingly. Is it hubris, stupidity or cell phone distraction?

And try backing out when you are parked next to a big truck, van or SUV.....can't see anything coming from that side. Have to ease out and hope for the best.

Yes, that is the real issue for which a backup camera is indispensable. With the wide angle lens they have you can actaally see past the blind spots those beasts create and pick up oncoming cross-traffic or pedestrians.

Speaking of the entitlement of pedestrians - last week I was in a grocery store parking lots which has a Wendy's adjacent to it. It was lunchtime when I went to back out of my spot. There is a nearby high school and a large group of students picked that moment to leave the Wendy's and head back. I has just begun to creep out of my spot when they began to cut across the laneway behind me. None of them seemed to care one iota that there was moving traffic (not just me). They were just oblivious.

Speaking of which, that lot is in a development that also has a couple of other fast food places, a Subway and a Little Caesars. They are overrun with high school kids at lunch. Now I know times are different now, but that must get very expensive for their parents to fund eating out at lunch every day. Not all of these kids are from affluent areas either. I guess I have trouble relating after having had too many peanut butter & jam sandwiches and pieces of fruit when I was bringing my lunch to school.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

Hard to find a decent looking front license plate holder. This was one of the better ones!


This one is ugly;

Are you talking about the plate holder or the car? :@

jmonroe

One hint........not talking about the car

That's a relief.

fintail

And then you have Costco with extra long hoses, so one can theoretically use either side. I will still pull up to the correct side when patronizing their stations. That's another thing that makes me laugh, seeing people pull up to the wrong side - fuel gauges have had an arrow indicating filler location for years, but people still seem to forget.

On the subject of doing it right the first time, I see threads on MB forums about people trying to retrofit options - especially fancier lighting and widescreen gauges. It can end up being more troublesome than simply finding a car with the desired options. When I car shop, there are always a couple "deal breaker" options, then I don't have to think about it later.

driver100 said:

A BMW salesman once told us the filler is on the right so that in most countries, if you run out of gas you don't have to stand on the highway to refill from a can. But, then I read after it depends on how they route all the other stuff....like exhaust. Then I read car companies mix them up so things will go better when a gas station is busy, some have them on the right, some on the left. Which stories are true....who knows?

ab348

My Cutlass has the fuel filler behind the rear plate also. The convenience of not having to remember which side it is on is outweighed by the painful necessity to crouch down when filling the tank, not much fun with bad knees.

fintail

Another reason to back in - it is usually easier to pull out, although if one has a big enough bloatmobile with tinted windows beside them, it still can be iffy. My car has wide angle front and rear cameras, which are utilized in tight parking situations.

Living in a relatively densely populated area, I see a lot of pedestrians doing it their own way. Key groups are kids with headphones, and older people. If you are under 20 or over 60, you write your own rules I see it as an opportunity to ensure my horn works.

I think everything is expensive for parents today, you should see the cost of youth sports and other activities. Many doddering parents probably can't make a pb&j, not to mention teaching a kid how to do it, then the kid ends up a bit entitled, and of course society or the media are to blame, not idiotic parents.

ab348 said:

Yes, that is the real issue for which a backup camera is indispensable. With the wide angle lens they have you can actaally see past the blind spots those beasts create and pick up oncoming cross-traffic or pedestrians.

Speaking of the entitlement of pedestrians - last week I was in a grocery store parking lots which has a Wendy's adjacent to it. It was lunchtime when I went to back out of my spot. There is a nearby high school and a large group of students picked that moment to leave the Wendy's and head back. I has just begun to creep out of my spot when they began to cut across the laneway behind me. None of them seemed to care one iota that there was moving traffic (not just me). They were just oblivious.

Speaking of which, that lot is in a development that also has a couple of other fast food places, a Subway and a Little Caesars. They are overrun with high school kids at lunch. Now I know times are different now, but that must get very expensive for their parents to fund eating out at lunch every day. Not all of these kids are from affluent areas either. I guess I have trouble relating after having had too many peanut butter & jam sandwiches and pieces of fruit when I was bringing my lunch to school.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

ab348 said:

For whatever reason, one of my Buicks (I think the Regal, since it was built in Germany and they didn't know what market it was headed to) came with a black plastic front plate holder in a plastic bag from the factory in the trunk. I still have it out in the garage somewhere.

Funny thing about that car - the rear plate pocket was designed for a Euro plate, long but not too tall. You could put a North American plate there, but if you tried to surround it with a license plate frame, it wouldn't fit properly.

My 1973 Bavaria had the fuel filler concealed by the license plate holder, which was hinged at the bottom. The top of the plate would hit the trunk lock button if you didn't trim about 1/4" off the top of the plate.

My 1970 Dodge Coronet had that too. Great thing about that was that I could pull up on either side of the pump.

Now I have to remember which side the filler is since the BMW has its filler on the other side than than the Chrysler and the Hyundai.

Funny, I had forgotten my 69’ Plymouth had the same arrangement. I’m lucky, now all my cars have the fuel door on the same side.

For many years (60's through early 80's at least), GM had the filler access behind the license plate that was mounted in the middle of the rear bumper. I heard that design was abandoned for safety reasons due to rear end collisions. Kinda makes sense.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

Out with the wife to see an adaptation of "A Christmas Carol" on stage. Three rows back towards stage right, pretty decent seats.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

fintail said:

IIRC all German cars have the filler on the passenger side, something they see as safe, I think. My old car also has the bottom-hinged plate hiding the filler, quite handy and just another thing that makes the car stand out at the gas station.

A BMW salesman once told us the filler is on the right so that in most countries, if you run out of gas you don't have to stand on the highway to refill from a can. But, then I read after it depends on how they route all the other stuff....like exhaust. Then I read car companies mix them up so things will go better when a gas station is busy, some have them on the right, some on the left. Which stories are true....who knows?

Well about them being safer if you are on the side of the road refilling from a can, I guess it would have made the zero times I have run out of gas on the last 42 years a bit safer.

Didn't Lotus have a model with fillers on both sides?

imidazol97

Go Bucks!

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:

IIRC all German cars have the filler on the passenger side, something they see as safe, I think. My old car also has the bottom-hinged plate hiding the filler, quite handy and just another thing that makes the car stand out at the gas station.

A BMW salesman once told us the filler is on the right so that in most countries, if you run out of gas you don't have to stand on the highway to refill from a can. But, then I read after it depends on how they route all the other stuff....like exhaust. Then I read car companies mix them up so things will go better when a gas station is busy, some have them on the right, some on the left. Which stories are true....who knows?

Well about them being safer if you are on the side of the road refilling from a can, I guess it would have made the zero times I have run out of gas on the last 42 years a bit safer.

Didn't Lotus have a model with fillers on both sides?

It seems people ran out of gas more in the olden days...maybe cars go further now, and there are more warnings and a GPS to locate a station.
But fillers on both sides..........Mrs D can load up from one side...me the other, beats a charging station.

suydam

imidazol97 said:

Go Bucks!

Yes indeed! O-H!

roadburner

Every time I see that VW ad where the backup camera and sensors stop the SUV from backing over the oblivious texting hipster it reminds me that we interfere with the law of natural selection at our peril.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

Very happy to have a backup camera yesterday during my quick trip to the mall. Parking lot was jammed, and people and families were walking right behind my car as I was backing out. Twice I was surprised by the sudden appearance of a young family member popping out from behind another car right after I thought the coast was clear. Definitely a must have for any vehicle I’m looking at.

I’m very surprised by the entitlement of pedestrians these days. They think nothing of walking right behind you when you’re halfway backed out. I never assume a moving car will stop for me and walk accordingly. Is it hubris, stupidity or cell phone distraction?

And try backing out when you are parked next to a big truck, van or SUV.....can't see anything coming from that side. Have to ease out and hope for the best.

Yes, that is the real issue for which a backup camera is indispensable. With the wide angle lens they have you can actaally see past the blind spots those beasts create and pick up oncoming cross-traffic or pedestrians.

Speaking of the entitlement of pedestrians - last week I was in a grocery store parking lots which has a Wendy's adjacent to it. It was lunchtime when I went to back out of my spot. There is a nearby high school and a large group of students picked that moment to leave the Wendy's and head back. I has just begun to creep out of my spot when they began to cut across the laneway behind me. None of them seemed to care one iota that there was moving traffic (not just me). They were just oblivious.

Speaking of which, that lot is in a development that also has a couple of other fast food places, a Subway and a Little Caesars. They are overrun with high school kids at lunch. Now I know times are different now, but that must get very expensive for their parents to fund eating out at lunch every day. Not all of these kids are from affluent areas either. I guess I have trouble relating after having had too many peanut butter & jam sandwiches and pieces of fruit when I was bringing my lunch to school.

You’re talking like an old fogie for real now. When you were a kid would expect $1000 sneakers, cell phones or lap tops and if you did would you have expected your parents to buy them for you? Today’s parents think nothing of giving their kids allowances which exceed what they could earn working at Wendy’s.

I suppose I’m not one to talk since I keep my kids supplied in a never ending stream of hooptie transportation.

suydam

There have always been rich spoiled kids and there have always been everyone else. Today is no different. I was very working class as a child, and yet I ate lunch most days at the local burger joint cuz that’s what the cool kids did. I had a part-time job to manage it. Actually a lot of fast food is really cheap. I’m not sure it costS any different than the cafeteria lunches.

fintail

I'm waiting for a "I walked to school uphill in both directions in 3 feet of snow in shoes made from old cereal boxes" kind of line from some people here

Good point about fast food, it might be cheaper than healthier food for those who live in food deserts or simply lack time time or knowledge (hence the obesity crisis as the socio-economic reality devolves).

Sandman6472

Both our German vehicles fill-up from the passenger side. But the icon inside the dash shows this. Prefer the Japanese who use the drivers side. Much easier really!

omarman

suydam said:

imidazol97 said:

Go Bucks!

Yes indeed! O-H!

I-O!

cdnpinhead

"I'm waiting for a "I walked to school uphill in both directions in 3 feet of snow in shoes made from old cereal boxes" kind of line from some people here."

Yes, I'm sure you are.

jmonroe1

fintail said:

I'm waiting for a "I walked to school uphill in both directions in 3 feet of snow in shoes made from old cereal boxes" kind of line from some people here

Good point about fast food, it might be cheaper than healthier food for those who live in food deserts or simply lack time time or knowledge (hence the obesity crisis as the socio-economic reality devolves).

Well...I wasn't going to say anything but now that you mention it.

jmonroe

stickguy

neither one of my kids ever wanted to eat cafeteria food, and there was no option for going off campus so they took good old home made bag lunches. Many of which I actually made.

for gas filler, I had a few on the passenger side, but really prefer driver's. Since in NJ there is no self service, so you have to talk to the attendant, and dealing with that and paying through the passenger side is a pain.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

I'm waiting for a "I walked to school uphill in both directions in 3 feet of snow in shoes made from old cereal boxes" kind of line from some people here

Good point about fast food, it might be cheaper than healthier food for those who live in food deserts or simply lack time time or knowledge (hence the obesity crisis as the socio-economic reality devolves).

Speaking of walking in snow we’re expecting up to a foot (if you can believe the weatherman) and they’re spraying the roads with brine again. I could hear my car rusting away.

BTW, when I walked to school in the snow I had boots. You must have been poor!

stickguy

all our upstate family was happy to be getting home before the snow hit. Our son normally went back on Sunday after Thanksgiving, but he headed back today also.

Michaell

stickguy said:

all our upstate family was happy to be getting home before the snow hit. Our son normally went back on Sunday after Thanksgiving, but he headed back today also.

My stepson and his wife took the new Tucson to Nebraska to spend T-giving with his dad's family. On their way home, the DIL got a ticket for tailgating a cop.

Live and learn.

If he was a LLC, would it have made a difference?

stickguy

was it at least an unmarked car?

Michaell

stickguy said:

was it at least an unmarked car?

I have to believe so.

But, knowing them, I'm not 100% certain...

ab348

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

was it at least an unmarked car?

I have to believe so.

But, knowing them, I'm not 100% certain...

Kids these days...

driver100

How do people learn to drive.....and then tailgate? I get tailgaters all the time here, they like to ride my rear bumper until they can wedge themselves into the next lane. Your DIL must be one of the few people to actually get a ticket this year....for tailgating of all things!

imidazol97

suydam said:

imidazol97 said:

Go Bucks!

Yes indeed! O-H!

I - O

imidazol97

jmonroe1 said:

fintail said:

I'm waiting for a "I walked to school uphill in both directions in 3 feet of snow in shoes made from old cereal boxes" kind of line from some people here

Good point about fast food, it might be cheaper than healthier food for those who live in food deserts or simply lack time time or knowledge (hence the obesity crisis as the socio-economic reality devolves).

Well...I wasn't going to say anything but now that you mention it.

jmonroe

My father actually did walk to school in the rural area where he grew up. He was the one who went early and started the fire in the wood or coal stove, whichever it was.

I can't remember that he mentioned the location of the building. I suspect it was a wood structure and no longer surviving. The early concept of schools for every small block of rural square miles within the county left a lot of buildings, some wood, some brick, still standing when I was a youth. That's why I value the one near my home area that is often in my icon picture. That one is being restored as have been only a few. Most became storage barns for farmers and deteriorated.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

How do people learn to drive.....and then tailgate? I get tailgaters all the time here, they like to ride my rear bumper until they can wedge themselves into the next lane. Your DIL must be one of the few people to actually get a ticket this year....for tailgating of all things!

I see people at work who tailgate constantly and wonder what they’re thinking. Personally I don’t trust my abilities enough to avoid a crash if I’m riding somebody’s bumper. Don’t they realize that a rear collision is totally the fault of the tailgater no matter what the other car does?

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

I see people at work who tailgate constantly and wonder what they’re thinking. Personally I don’t trust my abilities enough to avoid a crash if I’m riding somebody’s bumper. Don’t they realize that a rear collision is totally the fault of the tailgater no matter what the other car does?

20 years ago with the folks who had a big license plate "3" on the front of their car or windshield banners praising Earnhardt would tailgate. I guess they were emulating NASCAR and were thinking they were actually racing up the interstates especially I75 in KY and TN (and OH).

Then it was the folks who just felt everyone should get out of their lane, no matter the risk in making lane changes and having slow down between slower cars in the right of two lanes to allow the speeder to pass.

Now I think it's an attitude of not caring what they do but they just wanna do what they wanna do. Often with a phone to their ear.

If someone is tailgating me I slow down a click every 1/2 mile of so until I can safely make the lane change. Understand I'm going at least 5 miles to 8 miles per hour over the limit and traffic is heavy enough that changing to the middle or right lane means I have to slow down while the speedster passes.

Then often the tailgater doesn't want to go fast, they just want to tailgate fast; they will hang slow in the left lane blocking so I can't get back over to continue at my chosen speed. MICHIGAN drivers have the best practices award for not tailgating and giving time for someone to get over. And then they get past your car and move on up and often change back to the middle lane if it's open enough.


Most tailgaters drive only in the left lane. They never move over even if someone faster than they are comes up behind them. I've watched them from Cincy to Dayton never leave the left lane or 3 or 4 lanes. LOL

Then there's this:

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/fight-breaks-out-when-car-left-its-side-after-collision-dayton/6h7QONKX4RX6hDLvmSh38K/

There's a video at top which may take a while to appear and may have a bunch of ads--this is what passes for a newspaper/TV/radio conglomerate in Dayton.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

How do people learn to drive.....and then tailgate? I get tailgaters all the time here, they like to ride my rear bumper until they can wedge themselves into the next lane. Your DIL must be one of the few people to actually get a ticket this year....for tailgating of all things!

I see people at work who tailgate constantly and wonder what they’re thinking. Personally I don’t trust my abilities enough to avoid a crash if I’m riding somebody’s bumper. Don’t they realize that a rear collision is totally the fault of the tailgater no matter what the other car does?

I think a lot of people buy pickup trucks so they can tailgate and feel indestructible, also get a lot of pleasure out of feeling like a bully.

carnaught

Tailgating, cutting you off, then going slow, LLC’s and turning left into the center or far right lane - these are a few of my unfavorite things.

driver100

carnaught said:

Tailgating, cutting you off, then going slow, LLC’s and turning left into the center or far right lane - these are a few of my unfavorite things.

Yesterday a guy was tailgating me, the light ahead was red, I was coasting up to the 5 cars stopped at the light, and this moron that was tailgating me had to speed around me to get one car ahead, and wait at the light. I have to ignore them, if I think about it too much it will send my blood pressure readings up.

fintail

You should check out the Seattle metro area - turning into the incorrect lane is like an art form here. Tailgating isn't as big of an issue, as few go fast enough to do it, although I do seem to notice it most from larger pickups. Turn signal use is also evaporating.

Sadly, I suspect all of those are a national disease rather than localized outbreaks.

carnaught said:

Tailgating, cutting you off, then going slow, LLC’s and turning left into the center or far right lane - these are a few of my unfavorite things.