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stickguy

I found the tlx horrible when I got it. Scary actually constantly slamming on brakes with huge gaps. Someone said to check the settings. Turns out it was set to max sensitivity. I changed to lowest settings and it made a big difference. I rarely have a chance to use it with my normal driving but I don’t mind it on the rare occasion I can put it on.

suydam

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

28firefighter said:

Bolt does not qualify for the $7500 anymore, I don't think - I believe the federal rebate on that dropped to $3750 earlier this year.

Well...that’s sad to hear. The Bolt is a good car that deserves more widespread adoption.

I like the idea of leasing EVs - at least for now.

I looked at Bolt before I committed to the i3. It is much quicker than the i3 and has much better range. But it was also more expensive to lease by about $125/month comparably equipped (despite an MSRP $14,000 less) and I liked the looks of the i3 better anyway - I'm crazy, I know.

I tried the Bolt when we were deciding whether to buy out the Volt. It seems much cheaper inside than the Volt, and I wouldn’t want to occupy those seats for a road trip. Very uncomfortable. It does not qualify any more for the $7500 rebate. The Nissan Leaf Plus, OTOH, is very comfortable inside and still qualifies. If you lease, the dealers will often take the $7500 off the MSRP (in addition to all the other incentives), so leasing EVs is very attractive. In California you will also get a check for $1000 from your electric company.

imidazol97

fintail said:

"Autronic Eye", on Cadillac from 1952-53 I think, also available on Buick and Olds I am pretty sure, and as you say, similar systems use by others within a few years. Pretty cool tech for the day. I think it was some kind of vacuum tube system.

jmonroe said:

FWIW, when I was a kid in the early '50's, the upscale Detroit cars (Cadillac, Lincoln, Chrysler and Packard) had a high beam sensor system. In the left corner of the dash aimed at the windshield, there was a pod that was the sensor for the system. My Dad had a cousin who owned a Cadillac that had the high beam system and I remember going for a ride in that car one night when my Dads cousin loaned him his car. I thought that was the cats meow. It's easy to impress a young kid with stuff like that.

jmonroe

GM's Oldsmobile was first: "Oldsmobile might be history now, but back in 1952 the company­ made history along with Cadillac­ when the brands offered GM's Autronic Eye, the first automatic headlight-dimming system. "
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a9816/carchaeology-1952-oldsmobile-and-the-first-headlight-dimmer-16301766/

More about GM's Autronic Eye. I recall they had a Safety Salute built into the system IIRC. The headlights did a blink when dimming from high to low beams; that was a reminder to the oncoming drivers that they should dim their lights or a salute to applaud their having done so already? That may have been in the later version Guide-Matic
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2016/06/21/photonic-technology

Also it was about that era where GM was working on implementing automatic headlights on at dusk, off at dawn into the system along with a delay of headlights turning off when parking to give driver time to get to house or other destination abode. I'm a little fuzzy on when these were there. I'm recalling ads along with talking to someone at Guide Lamp Division in Anderson when job hunting.

driver100

nyccarguy said:

pensfan83 said:

The ACC in the car is fine but I don't like the Taco6mas, not as smooth IMO so I've taken to disabling it and going old school.

Funny - I feel the exact opposite. I love the way the ACC works in the Tacoma. Very smooth and the braking is almost unnoticeable. In the Pilot, you can feel the brakes being applied when the ACC is in use.

You guys and your ACC's....I don't even have a backup camera.

I would almost never use my cruise around here, it won't be able to stop in time to avoid the zig zaggers.

driver100

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

jmonroe

pensfan83 said:

nyccarguy said:

pensfan83 said:

The ACC in the car is fine but I don't like the Taco6mas, not as smooth IMO so I've taken to disabling it and going old school.

Funny - I feel the exact opposite. I love the way the ACC works in the Tacoma. Very smooth and the braking is almost unnoticeable. In the Pilot, you can feel the brakes being applied when the ACC is in use.

I literally used the Tacoma's ACC once and haven't used it again so maybe I need to try adjusting the distance. That resolved the issues I had with the car's ACC when I first got it.

The ACC on both the Genny and the Legacy seem.to be identical right down to the display. So much so, if I didn't look to see what car I was driving, I'd never know what car I was in. They must be made by the same guy. I'm usually a pretty conservative guy and like lots of space between me and the car ahead me but I've found that the 4 car default buffer zone on both of our cars is way too conservative for me and I adjust the buffer zone to 3 cars. That seems to be best for how I drive.

I use ACC as a toy but I know I'd never feel comfortable letting it do all the work. I'd say ACC is one of those options you have to play with for a while to find the ideal setting that is best for you.

Happy tinkering.

jmonroe

driver100

Mrs D arrives at Sarasota airport this evening. I have been making meals for me and Trixie for the last week.
Remember how I said everyday a car crashes into a store or a house in the Tampa Bay area?
Well last night this truck went full speed right through a wall and ended up in the baggage area of SRQ (43 sec)
https://www.fox13news.com/news/truck-crashes-into-baggage-claim-area-of-sarasota-bradenton-airport-narrowly-missing-employee

You should see the speed this sucker was flying at....miracle no one was hurt.

stickguy

Driver, nothing is ever cheap in NYS.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

Just a quick search shows me that to get a Leaf for less than 5 grand you have to get more than 5 years old and somewhat miled up. At that point I would be worried about having to replace the batteries soon.

stickguy

Did a quick pass of Lowe’s DW section. From looking at style, features, price, and talking to the sales dude, would likely get the upper middle level Maytag. 3 racks, seemed nice. Bigger motor! Would be just over $600 for the nicer one. Seemed to be the sweet spot.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

Did a quick pass of Lowe’s DW section. From looking at style, features, price, and talking to the sales dude, would likely get the upper middle level Maytag. 3 racks, seemed nice. Bigger motor! Would be just over $600 for the nicer one. Seemed to be the sweet spot.

Here, save yourself $590.

jmonroe

stickguy said:

Did a quick pass of Lowe’s DW section. From looking at style, features, price, and talking to the sales dude, would likely get the upper middle level Maytag. 3 racks, seemed nice. Bigger motor! Would be just over $600 for the nicer one. Seemed to be the sweet spot.

Thanks for getting us back on topic @stick.

jmonroe

suydam

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

More to the point resale values are low primarily since the new ones have much greater range. A 5 year old Leaf has a range of maybe 70 miles tops. I would not want an all-EV with such a short range. Also, the Leaf was not that expensive to begin with, so I’m not sure it’s all that low. I see 2012s advertised at the $5k level or above, not the 5 year old ones.

stickguy

Snake, I considered that option. Would have considered it harder if the wife did the dishes, not me!

fintail

Interesting stuff, showing how far ahead GM was at some times. In 1952, MB was still for the most part making marginally warmed-over prewar cars.

Could the automatic system be called "Twilight Sentinel"?

imidazol97 said:

Also it was about that era where GM was working on implementing automatic headlights on at dusk, off at dawn into the system along with a delay of headlights turning off when parking to give driver time to get to house or other destination abode. I'm a little fuzzy on when these were there. I'm recalling ads along with talking to someone at Guide Lamp Division in Anderson when job hunting.

stickguy

GM once was the gold standard. That’s what happens when you get fat, happy and complacent.

driver100

stickguy said:

Did a quick pass of Lowe’s DW section. From looking at style, features, price, and talking to the sales dude, would likely get the upper middle level Maytag. 3 racks, seemed nice. Bigger motor! Would be just over $600 for the nicer one. Seemed to be the sweet spot.

Funny you mentioned that stick.....Home Depot delivered our replacement Maytag today. They gave me window of 11:30 to 3:30 - would call 30 minutes before, and if I wasn't here I would have to re-book.

I went to pickleball, only played for 45 minutes so I could get home by 11 for a phone call. Fortunately traffic moved along and I got home at 10:35, and there was the truck waiting for me. They left a message if I didn't arrive in 10 minutes I would have to re-book. They are the one's who came way early...why didn't they call at 8 a.m. and tell me?

We'll see if this thing works, my B-I-L will come over to hook it up. Ours is the $499 model that costs $584 if you want it in white or black????!

btw...I think the next model up has the buttons hidden on the top of the door....I am not so sure about that because how do you see what cycle it is in without opening the door, and how do you press CANCEL without opening the door?

It does have the strongest motor they say.

What happened with the GE? How many people need to wash bottles? Whenever I put a bottle in the labels fell apart inside and stick to everything, made a mess!

stickguy

I didn’t like the GE much. Maytag was nicer. On out KA you can see the top edge to tell what lights are on. Not that I look. Just wait til green one comes on to know it’s done. If you open the door it automatically stops anyway.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

GM once was the gold standard. That’s what happens when you get fat, happy and complacent.

True, some day our grandchildren might be talking how MB once was the gold standard as they drive around in their Genesis' calling those new Chinese luxury cars wannabes.

driver100

suydam said:

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

More to the point resale values are low primarily since the new ones have much greater range. A 5 year old Leaf has a range of maybe 70 miles tops. I would not want an all-EV with such a short range. Also, the Leaf was not that expensive to begin with, so I’m not sure it’s all that low. I see 2012s advertised at the $5k level or above, not the 5 year old ones.

People seem to want around $10000 for them....cars that will go 73 miles
Heres a 2013 for $6400.
I think they must have meant Trade-in value....not selling price.
My 2014 C250 at $11700 is probably about 35% of original price....as a 5 year old trade-in.
AUTO TRADER

driver100

stickguy said:

I didn’t like the GE much. Maytag was nicer. On out KA you can see the top edge to tell what lights are on. Not that I look. Just wait til green one comes on to know it’s done. If you open the door it automatically stops anyway.

OK.....once got an LG, did dishes well but didn't tell you when they had been washed. We had to leave a magnet on the door if we loaded it and turned it on...other than that, pretty good.

imidazol97

jmonroe said:

stickguy said:

Did a quick pass of Lowe’s DW section. From looking at style, features, price, and talking to the sales dude, would likely get the upper middle level Maytag. 3 racks, seemed nice. Bigger motor! Would be just over $600 for the nicer one. Seemed to be the sweet spot.

Thanks for getting us back on topic @stick.

jmonroe

Whoa. I thought we were on cooking.

explorerx4

The ACC in my F150 is very smooth, takes me a while to figure that the truck has slowed down most times.
I keep it at the shortest distance setting(Sport - ohkay).
Emergency braking really throws out the anchor, though.

dino001

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

I didn’t like the GE much. Maytag was nicer. On out KA you can see the top edge to tell what lights are on. Not that I look. Just wait til green one comes on to know it’s done. If you open the door it automatically stops anyway.

OK.....once got an LG, did dishes well but didn't tell you when they had been washed. We had to leave a magnet on the door if we loaded it and turned it on...other than that, pretty good.

The one I owned for those few months played an annoying music, when it was done. But if you missed the recital, then yes, there was no blinking light or anything like that. I'm so happy Costco made them buy it back, anyway. Bosch dishwasher cleans and dries so much better. The only good thing on that LG were racks - folding tines were really cleverly arranged on both racks.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

suydam said:

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

More to the point resale values are low primarily since the new ones have much greater range. A 5 year old Leaf has a range of maybe 70 miles tops. I would not want an all-EV with such a short range. Also, the Leaf was not that expensive to begin with, so I’m not sure it’s all that low. I see 2012s advertised at the $5k level or above, not the 5 year old ones.

People seem to want around $10000 for them....cars that will go 73 miles
Heres a 2013 for $6400.
I think they must have meant Trade-in value....not selling price.
My 2014 C250 at $11700 is probably about 35% of original price....as a 5 year old trade-in.
AUTO TRADER

Now if we were a one car family I would avoid a 73 mile car like the plague. But with multiple cars a car that will go only 73 miles would work for us since it will have that 73 mile range every morning and its only a 25 mile round trip commute for me. We can take the ICE car for longer trips.

andres3

I wonder if Carvana would pay me more for an A4 with a damaged rear bumper that it would just be worth it to contribute to the CCBA club instead of repairing it ($2,300). Get the check, then sell the car.

Of course, a company like Carvana could ship it to a State where they don't pay body shop unskilled laborers (okay some might be skilled a little) $65/hour to paint a bumper. They should be able to "absorb" the hit better.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Might be heresy with this group, but test drove a couple of cars last night for giggles.

First up, a Chevy Bolt (actually went into the Chevy store to see if they had any new Corvette sales brochures....they didn’t).

You know, I can see the appeal of the car. If you don’t do a lot of interstate commuting, it was a nice little car. The torque off the line with the electric motor is very impressive. It’s small enough that it handles pretty well. It had all the features anyone could ask for (radar cruise, decent sounds system, Apple CarPlay, positive feeling steering and brakes). You can tell GM put a lot of engineering into it. While the materials aren’t anywhere near what I have in my Acura, they aren’t bad, either.

Dealer said GM is throwing a ton of money at it. Sticker was $39K. Out the door, taxes, fees...the whole shooting match was right around $33K. Plus, it still qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit (Have to purchase in 2019, though). That makes it a screaming deal I think.....just under $26K. For that car, all loaded up, with that amount of technology, assuming the simplicity of the motor and trans, which should make it relatively trouble and maintenance free, it’s a great deal.

Also drove an S60 Inscription. I understand why people like them. They are quite nice and quite good looking. I drove an Inscription, which was quick and handled well. They were up front with pricing. $54K Sticker. $48K buy it now price. At that, I’ll probably wait for the new TLX. Still, impressive car.

Remember that tax credit is non refundable and does not carry over. So if you do your taxes before applying the credit and line 16 of form 1040 (total tax) is less than $7,500 then you dont get the full credit, you only get the amount on line 16. Basically a married couple making a combined income of under $90K with no other credits would get less than the $7,500 credit.

Once again, the common man gets the shaft.🤬

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

Get an electric car with only 70 mile range? And that’s only if you don’t use heat, AC or headlights. Is it any wonder that it’s resale is so dismal?

Oh, thanks to the politicians in NY we went from relatively low electric rates to some of the highest in the country.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Mrs D arrives at Sarasota airport this evening. I have been making meals for me and Trixie for the last week.
Remember how I said everyday a car crashes into a store or a house in the Tampa Bay area?
Well last night this truck went full speed right through a wall and ended up in the baggage area of SRQ (43 sec)
https://www.fox13news.com/news/truck-crashes-into-baggage-claim-area-of-sarasota-bradenton-airport-narrowly-missing-employee

You should see the speed this sucker was flying at....miracle no one was hurt.

That’s my company’s counter at Tampa International.

stickguy

just saw that on the news. Gotta love Florida! Always something fun happening.

suydam

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

Get an electric car with only 70 mile range? And that’s only if you don’t use heat, AC or headlights. Is it any wonder that it’s resale is so dismal?

Oh, thanks to the politicians in NY we went from relatively low electric rates to some of the highest in the country.

At the time 70 miles was pretty good for an EV, but things have changed. The New Leaf Plus has over 200 mile range as well as fast charging. That would work for me. It’s surprising how little electricity these EVs actually use. Much cheaper than gas.

driver100

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

I didn’t like the GE much. Maytag was nicer. On out KA you can see the top edge to tell what lights are on. Not that I look. Just wait til green one comes on to know it’s done. If you open the door it automatically stops anyway.

OK.....once got an LG, did dishes well but didn't tell you when they had been washed. We had to leave a magnet on the door if we loaded it and turned it on...other than that, pretty good.

The one I owned for those few months played an annoying music, when it was done. But if you missed the recital, then yes, there was no blinking light or anything like that. I'm so happy Costco made them buy it back, anyway. Bosch dishwasher cleans and dries so much better. The only good thing on that LG were racks - folding tines were really cleverly arranged on both racks.

I put it on just before going to bed, so I never heard the music.
I am curious to see how this Maytag works, but I like a Bosch, they just don't have a long life cycle.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

suydam said:

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

More to the point resale values are low primarily since the new ones have much greater range. A 5 year old Leaf has a range of maybe 70 miles tops. I would not want an all-EV with such a short range. Also, the Leaf was not that expensive to begin with, so I’m not sure it’s all that low. I see 2012s advertised at the $5k level or above, not the 5 year old ones.

People seem to want around $10000 for them....cars that will go 73 miles
Heres a 2013 for $6400.
I think they must have meant Trade-in value....not selling price.
My 2014 C250 at $11700 is probably about 35% of original price....as a 5 year old trade-in.
AUTO TRADER

Now if we were a one car family I would avoid a 73 mile car like the plague. But with multiple cars a car that will go only 73 miles would work for us since it will have that 73 mile range every morning and its only a 25 mile round trip commute for me. We can take the ICE car for longer trips.

But, I find there are times when my car might be tied up and we have to use the 2nd car for a long trip. How annoying to have a second car, that can only go 36 miles one way, and if you get caught in a traffic jam or something you are doomed.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Mrs D arrives at Sarasota airport this evening. I have been making meals for me and Trixie for the last week.
Remember how I said everyday a car crashes into a store or a house in the Tampa Bay area?
Well last night this truck went full speed right through a wall and ended up in the baggage area of SRQ (43 sec)
https://www.fox13news.com/news/truck-crashes-into-baggage-claim-area-of-sarasota-bradenton-airport-narrowly-missing-employee

You should see the speed this sucker was flying at....miracle no one was hurt.

That’s my company’s counter at Tampa International.

Good thing you weren't delivering a car there at 2 a.m.
That is actually Sarasota - Bradenton airport.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

I didn’t like the GE much. Maytag was nicer. On out KA you can see the top edge to tell what lights are on. Not that I look. Just wait til green one comes on to know it’s done. If you open the door it automatically stops anyway.

OK.....once got an LG, did dishes well but didn't tell you when they had been washed. We had to leave a magnet on the door if we loaded it and turned it on...other than that, pretty good.

The one I owned for those few months played an annoying music, when it was done. But if you missed the recital, then yes, there was no blinking light or anything like that. I'm so happy Costco made them buy it back, anyway. Bosch dishwasher cleans and dries so much better. The only good thing on that LG were racks - folding tines were really cleverly arranged on both racks.

I put it on just before going to bed, so I never heard the music.
I am curious to see how this Maytag works, but I like a Bosch, they just don't have a long life cycle.

Are trying to say your new Maytag has a "long life cycle"? I never heard of a dishwasher with that cycle.

jmonroe

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Mrs D arrives at Sarasota airport this evening. I have been making meals for me and Trixie for the last week.
Remember how I said everyday a car crashes into a store or a house in the Tampa Bay area?
Well last night this truck went full speed right through a wall and ended up in the baggage area of SRQ (43 sec)
https://www.fox13news.com/news/truck-crashes-into-baggage-claim-area-of-sarasota-bradenton-airport-narrowly-missing-employee

You should see the speed this sucker was flying at....miracle no one was hurt.

That’s my company’s counter at Tampa International.

I thought you said you were just a grunt driver. Why didn't you tell us you were promoted. :@

jmonroe

qbrozen

suydam said:

At the time 70 miles was pretty good for an EV, but things have changed. The New Leaf Plus has over 200 mile range as well as fast charging. That would work for me. It’s surprising how little electricity these EVs actually use. Much cheaper than gas.

Sure, consumption is better, but, if buying new, it still doesn't make financial sense. A Leaf is certainly no nicer than, let's say, a Golf. The extended range Leaf is roughly $33k after rebate vs a Golf SE at $24k. You'd be looking at about 150k miles before the Leaf starts to pay off.

As long as the batteries hold up, used is an entirely different story.

roadburner

I'd be hard pressed to pass up a 2-4 year old i3 if something happened to the Clubman.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

Just a quick search shows me that to get a Leaf for less than 5 grand you have to get more than 5 years old and somewhat miled up. At that point I would be worried about having to replace the batteries soon.

This is the cheapest I’ve seen. Milage not bad....but still.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=538442381&zip=12110&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=12110&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2010&sortBy=relevance&incremental=all&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&endYear=2020&modelCodeList=LEAF&makeCodeList=NISSAN&searchRadius=200&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2010&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2020&modelCodeList=LEAF&makeCodeList=NISSAN&searchRadius=200&makeCode1=NISSAN&modelCode1=LEAF&clickType=listing

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Mrs D arrives at Sarasota airport this evening. I have been making meals for me and Trixie for the last week.
Remember how I said everyday a car crashes into a store or a house in the Tampa Bay area?
Well last night this truck went full speed right through a wall and ended up in the baggage area of SRQ (43 sec)
https://www.fox13news.com/news/truck-crashes-into-baggage-claim-area-of-sarasota-bradenton-airport-narrowly-missing-employee

You should see the speed this sucker was flying at....miracle no one was hurt.

That’s my company’s counter at Tampa International.

Good thing you weren't delivering a car there at 2 a.m.
That is actually Sarasota - Bradenton airport.

Looks similar to the set up at Tampa.

Anybody check with Sandy? That’s a lot closer to his territory.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

I didn’t like the GE much. Maytag was nicer. On out KA you can see the top edge to tell what lights are on. Not that I look. Just wait til green one comes on to know it’s done. If you open the door it automatically stops anyway.

OK.....once got an LG, did dishes well but didn't tell you when they had been washed. We had to leave a magnet on the door if we loaded it and turned it on...other than that, pretty good.

The one I owned for those few months played an annoying music, when it was done. But if you missed the recital, then yes, there was no blinking light or anything like that. I'm so happy Costco made them buy it back, anyway. Bosch dishwasher cleans and dries so much better. The only good thing on that LG were racks - folding tines were really cleverly arranged on both racks.

I put it on just before going to bed, so I never heard the music.
I am curious to see how this Maytag works, but I like a Bosch, they just don't have a long life cycle.

Are trying to say your new Maytag has a "long life cycle"? I never heard of a dishwasher with that cycle.

jmonroe

No, I am saying it doesn't have a short expiry date like our last two Bosch's.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

$7500 rebate on the first Leaf helped reduce the cost but it helped to crash resale values too.
A 5 year old Leaf is only worth 22% of it's original MSRP, most cars are around 35%
oldfarmer, you should be able to get a 5 year old Leaf for about $5000! Hope electricity rates are low in NY State.

Just a quick search shows me that to get a Leaf for less than 5 grand you have to get more than 5 years old and somewhat miled up. At that point I would be worried about having to replace the batteries soon.

This is the cheapest I’ve seen. Milage not bad....but still.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=538442381&zip=12110&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=12110&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2010&sortBy=relevance&incremental=all&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&endYear=2020&modelCodeList=LEAF&makeCodeList=NISSAN&searchRadius=200&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2010&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2020&modelCodeList=LEAF&makeCodeList=NISSAN&searchRadius=200&makeCode1=NISSAN&modelCode1=LEAF&clickType=listing

That is a low price with low miles. There seems to be a lot of them with low mileage and that age listed, considering the numbers sold. I wonder if that is the sweet spot time for ditching them?

qbrozen

The commonly low mileage is a testament to how useless they are.

dino001

Xmas time coming soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dqrg5qvkI0

suydam

qbrozen said:

The commonly low mileage is a testament to how useless they are.

It probably has more to do with the fact that they mostly driven around town. Our 5 year old Encore has very low miles, and I hardly consider it useless. You don’t like EVs ( or that particular model) and they may be useless to you, but a blanket statement like that is not exactly informative for the conversation. For an around town car I personally would want a range of at least 100 miles.
I do agree that leasing generally makes sense for new EVs, not just in terms of price but because technology keeps improving. I was hoping GM would improve the electric range of the Volt. Instead, they never marketed it and gave up on the whole thing.

qbrozen

suydam said:

qbrozen said:

The commonly low mileage is a testament to how useless they are.

It probably has more to do with the fact that they mostly driven around town. Our 5 year old Encore has very low miles, and I hardly consider it useless. You don’t like EVs ( or that particular model) and they may be useless to you, but a blanket statement like that is not exactly informative for the conversation. For an around town car I personally would want a range of at least 100 miles.
I do agree that leasing generally makes sense for new EVs, not just in terms of price but because technology keeps improving. I was hoping GM would improve the electric range of the Volt. Instead, they never marketed it and gave up on the whole thing.

It was a joke. Lighten up, Francis.
I had a Leaf. 2 yr lease and we put, IIRC, 9k miles on it, because it got more like 65miles/charge, on a good day.

graphicguy

Interestingly, I asked the Chevy dealer where I stopped to test drive the Bolt whether they had any Volt leftovers. He said right after GM said they were going to stop making them, and offering a bunch of rebates, they sold everyone they had (about a dozen) in two weeks.

@suydam ...don’t disagree with you about the lack of comfort in the Bolt. But, if you’re only using it for in-town driving, not sure that would matter. That said, coming from the TLX, and what I consider probably some of the best seats in the price range, I might be more susceptible to getting tired of the Bolt in short order.

Still, for a $25K price after all rebates, I don’t know why someone would buy an econobox over the Bolt (which will probably have econobox seats, also)? The value equation at that price is crazy good.

I’m not their target market.

Maybe the Tesla....looking to test drive one. I don’t think they’re doing much in the way of discounting them, though. No reason to be in a hurry to test one.

stickguy

I learned the hard way to never, ever, compromise on seat comfort again. Gotta be thrones or I don’t buy!

ab348

Getting into the Holiday spirit. These guys no doubt did.

https://youtu.be/LO-QNizPxJI

There was a better version of this that subbed an Andy Williams Christmas song for the actual background sound, which made it funnier, but it was taken down.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

The commonly low mileage is a testament to how useless they are.

Yeah, I think you nailed it.